Please check the game and see for yourselves:

https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/game-244777/

I'm making a complaint here as I want it to get attention, I've spoke to a few people so far and would like to see what everyone thinks, including the mods.

If possible, please move the comments from that thread to here.

I didn't notice anything strange, I don't know if it's because I'm running the replay on a Mac with m1 through an emulator

Tomorrow I am going to go through the entire replay and list every single time it happens which is a lot.

But for now here's 2 examples from the turn we mentioned:

If you watch the replay frame by frame at 8:04.2000, you will see at 8:04.2400 he disconnects the rope, then the very next frame on 8:04.2600 he fires the rope again.

This happens again at 8:16.4200 to 8:16:4400.

Now, there are many players who have super fast taps and fast timing who can pull off frame perfect taps like this SOMETIMES, but the inconsistent consistency in which Shtaket does this is uncanny and unnatural, no human has timing that good. You're talking 1/50th of a second happening dozens of times throughout the run.

I say "inconsistently consistent" because he doesn't do super fast scrolling, or super fast shadows for the most part, it's the climbing where he does it, like he knows what he's doing to be careful about it.

Which is a coincidence because climbs are the toughest part of ZaR Big RR where when most people fall, it's during climbs hitting off the wall, having a script for rapid taps can improve your stability while climbing.

Even fingerrollers with LONG rope connections usually get 2/50th or 3/50th for the most part. Hell even the best speedrunners in the world for other games don't have to do frame perfect button presses this consistent in their runs, and whenever someone does even ONE in a speedrun it's considered godly lol.

What's even more strange, if you check Shtakets recent Challenge records for:

https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-932/

And:

https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-934/

You will see that his roping is normal Shtaket roping, nothing strange there, I was a moderator for Challenges for quite some time up until I was in hospital earlier this year when I asked MI to remove me as moderator, I approved many of Shtakets Challenges, and even after I was removed as moderator I continued to watch them, simply because I enjoy watching good runs of Big RR!

The difference between his normal roping, and whatever he's going here is night and day to me, it's so obvious it's cringe, it's like the same thing Corujao uses in funners but Shtaket is doing it less often and in specific moments, usually when doing climbs.

Notice how the majority of his run is normal taps, so you can say that it's inconsistently consistent when it happens.

His Challenge runs are legit normal roping, but his game versus Sensei is HIGHLY suspicious.

I've spent enough time on this for today, I will return tomorrow or the next day with further analysis.

Maybe then you can make a short video where you can show and tell what is wrong at some points, so that it is more clearly visible what is wrong here. If, for example, I met those who use macros, it was clearly visible. (I'm not defending Shtaket, I'd just like to see a visual video)

Ok I've done the first 3 turns...

To save time typing, R = release connection of rope and F = fires rope again.

This is only including perfect frame rapid fire of the rope, when the rope disconnects then fires immediately the very next frame which is 1/50th of a second timing.


1st turn:

0:13.4800 R / 0:13.5000 F

0:22.1000 R / 0:22.1200 F

0:22.9800 R / 0:23.0000 F

0:30.1600 R / 0:30.1800 F

0:32.5000 R / 0.32.5200 F

0.43.4800 R / 0.43.5000 F


2nd Turn:

1:52.4600 R / 1:52.4800 F


3rd Turn:

3:25.9800 R / 3:26.0000 F

3:27.3200 R / 3:27.3400 F

3:42.5000 R / 3:42.5200 F

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I don't even see the point doing anymore, this took about 10 minutes just to do the first 3 turns and I'm not getting paid, this is sufficient enough as far as I'm concerned.

It's in the hands of the mods and developers now.

I asked Deadcode to check that replay. Let's see what he says.

Sad thing is there's obviously more people using this thing while TUSing.
Just week or two ago there was Kaleu saying script that increases taps speed is not cheating and never will be.

That's a post from somewhat respectable senior TUS member in 2024.
Is this where we're heading as a community? If answer is yes, think I'll kindly say goodbye. 

Quote from: Sensei on December 21, 2024, 01:37 AMSad thing is there's obviously more people using this thing while TUSing.

Who? Please let me know so I can check the replays and pass them on to MI/Deadcode.

We got Komo and Sensei grouping up for manually look for cheaters before GTA 6

Says the guy who was literally caught cheating before.

I applaud Komodo's thorough analysis and finds. But it is not definite proof of anything at this point. it does however raise cause of concern of course. This is something that should be Investigated more.

As for the cup game, there is no proof, only speculations, so there is nothing that can be done for now. Unless a large amount of people of the cup start to protest of course.

If you are very good at something, why would you need to cheat anyway? It doesn't make any sense.

It IS possible that Shtaket got bit by a radioactive spider and became a freak of nature recently who can suddenly get frame perfect double tap shots off. Buuuut I doubt it lol.

I can pull it off maybe once in every 10 attempts with finger roll and or double handed taps, and I'm incredibly fast with extremely good timing...

Shtaket suddenly, and apparently in THIS GAME ONLY manages to do it 10 times in his 1st 3 turns, and another 2 turns in the other turn mentioned, without even checking the rest. Probably many times more by the looks of it I just didn't check them frame by frame because what I did is enough to warrant real evident investigation.

I just don't get it, like many have said Shtaket is good enough he doesn't need to cheat, and whatever it is he's doing in this game doesn't even put him on Masta's level or anything, but it's still highly suspicious, it looks like something which used in the right hands CAN give top tier players an edge via extra stability and split second timing.

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 22, 2024, 07:02 PMIt IS possible that Shtaket got bit by a radioactive spider and became a freak of nature recently who can suddenly get frame perfect double tap shots off.

  

I'm still awaiting Deadcode's response.

shouldn't something like this be handled in a more discrete way, like via a report button or just sending messages to mods?
let's just imagine Shtaket did not cheat. The damage to his reputation is already being done. Some people will always think of him as a cheater just because of this thread.
i dont mind going public after evidence is found but posting and discussing cheating accusations isnt healthy for the community in the long term, especially with a small player base like ours.   
 

Peja, you didn't comment on what damage to community Kaleu's posts about "cheating is cool" could have done. But you're worried about possible damage to Shtaket's reputation?

Two days ago he joined our game and basically admitted cheating, just so you know.

We should collectively think more about this community's reputation imo. Cause it's going downhill and I'm not talking solely about activity numbers.