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Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
djongador:
--- Quote from: Syc on April 13, 2021, 08:44 PM ---What are the two numbers in the "won" column? Is it number of players beat followed by the number of games won?
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I think the first number refers to games the player won and the number after slash is the amount of rounds won. But thats just a guess
SIBASA:
--- Quote from: djongador on April 14, 2021, 12:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Syc on April 13, 2021, 08:44 PM ---What are the two numbers in the "won" column? Is it number of players beat followed by the number of games won?
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I think the first number refers to games the player won and the number after slash is the amount of rounds won. But thats just a guess
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Yes, that is right. I looked at different games in other cups and found confirmation of this
SIBASA:
Is it legal to use the wrong scheme?
I agreed to play with Deadcode, but at the last moment before the game he said that he would use his own scheme, because he didn't like the cup scheme. I was against this, but Deadcode insisted and said that if his scheme was not, he would not play.
Okay, I agreed to his scheme, because I have been waiting for this game for a long time.
Not to say that I recently enjoyed the game in general, it was cool, but I played as insecurely as possible, since I could not know the full characteristics of this scheme - this is confusing.
I have no complaints about the game and its rusults (after all, I agreed, albeit under pressure), let it stay.
I don't mind if the players use a different scheme, if they both absolutely agree, but in our case I will not say that I agreed of my own free will, and this is a little unpleasant.
--- Code: ---[Deadcode] to be specific, I downloaded the scheme, but it sucks, so we'll play with the WL scheme
[Deadcode] longbow = 22 + 22
[Deadcode] and cheats disabled
[Deadcode] er, glitches I mean
[SIBASA`] you cannot play another scheme (
[Deadcode] sure I can :) and I did already, with Syc
[Deadcode] just don't make a big deal about it
[SIBASA`] I would like to play according to the cup scheme
[Deadcode] If you're going to insist, I'll just quit the cup
[Deadcode] Lancelot's posted scheme is garbage
[SIBASA`] I think you need to play according to the scheme that was given. These are the rules
[Deadcode] The scheme is garbage. If we have to do that, I would rather just quit the cup
[Deadcode] So let's bend the rules a bit, and make it enjoyable.
[Deadcode] and fair.
[SIBASA`] You entered the cup by agreeing to the rules and scheme
[Deadcode] I didn't notice at the time that he insisted on a certain scheme.
[Deadcode] if I had, I would have discussed it before joining
[Deadcode] and if he had not agreed on changing it, I wouldn't have joined
[Deadcode] but when I noticed, I had already joined
[SIBASA`] okay ... let's play, but mind you, I'm not happy))
[Deadcode] If you want me to quit the cup, go ahead and be stubborn about this, and I will quit it
[Deadcode] ok thanks
[Deadcode] noted
[Deadcode] if Lancelot makes a big deal about this later on, I'll be sure to tell him you protested
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Deadcode:
Well, I did not expect you to do this (hence my last line in that log quote), and I would have chosen my words with more tact had I known. But okay, since you insist, let's do this.
Yes, I forgot to check if there was a scheme prescribed by this cup before joining it. Had I had the presence of mind to check for a scheme before joining, I would have brought up the issue with Lancelot, and asked him to change the scheme.
But I only realized many days later, after the cup had already begun and I was just about to start my match with Syc, and when I looked at that scheme, I was repelled. Not only is it an extreme insult to my hard work with v3.8 to not include any glitch-disabling v3.8 features in this cup's scheme, and yet still say "standart team17 rules (no knocking, no roofing)" [sic], as if WA v3.8 doesn't even exist, but it also has the old-style 50+50 hp damage Longbows, which are absolutely terrible. They give anybody an easy, free 100 points of damage, which is totally unfair and unbalanced, and strongly discourages using the Longbow in creative ways. In contrast, every single detail about the WormsLeague T17 scheme has been carefully honed by huge fans of the scheme.
So yes, if Lancelot does insist that it's completely illegal to use a different scheme, I will have no interest in participating in this cup. Because of that, up until this point I chose not to confront Lancelot about it because if he insisted that his chosen scheme must be the one used, then I would not have even got a chance to begin playing the cup, and would've had to quit immediately. But at least now, if he still decides not to allow it, I will have had a chance to experience it at least a little before having to leave. I was really hoping it would just go unnoticed, and then next time a cup was created I could bring up the issue. But it appears SIBASA was not on the same page. (Frankly, I hadn't dismissed the possibility that Lancelot had already noticed I didn't use the provided scheme in my games with Syc, and had chosen to pretend he hadn't noticed. But even if that was the case, he has no choice but to say something about it now.) So now it's become a distinctly unpleasant situation with the potential to become quite a bit more unpleasant.
Assuming this *is* okayed, I do recommend that everybody else use the same T17 scheme I've been using, from now on, in this cup: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3891/ But that is just my recommendation, and what turns out to be done is not up to me to decide.
XanKriegor:
The cup's scheme says "Team17" and the description does not point out it have any difference from standard one. Could a player assume the used scheme is the standard one? Of course. Personally i would not even think of downloading a cup's scheme if there are no signs of diffenence.
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