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Camelot Team17 cup

Cup #1109, Viewed 7564 Time(s)

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Ukraine Lancelot
3.6 / 5
Total Members Voted: 5
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Name: Camelot Team17 cup - сhallenge everyone and yourself
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: March 28, 2021, 08:06 AM

Cup scheme(s): scheme Team17, scheme Team17
Click on the book to download the scheme. Click on the scheme name to view the scheme page.

Signups time: March 29, 2021, 12:30 AM

Finished


Description:
Sir Lancelot says:

"I want to throw another challenge to all participants of TUS.
A challenge that will only be accepted by those who believe the TUS is still alive.
Perhaps someone will not understand what these lines are about.
I will only invite such players to my cup games to play for no reason.
Only for glory."


Let's get started.

- bo3 all games (group and k/o, final/bronze too)
- 4 worms pet team
- standart team17 rules (no knocking, no roofing)
- use a very complex map for cup games (scheme map two-cavern + objects 10 and bridges 0)


I want everything to be sporty and according to the rules

Honor and glory, fun and luck

Knockout

Deadline: July 31, 2021, 04:00 PM

Final


Bronze Match

Gold

Silver

Bronze


Groups

Players are divided into groups. Try not to hesitate with group games. I do not give a timeline, but I will welcome the initiative from each of you in terms of the games played in the group. Use the diagram attached to the cup. I will see that the scheme is different - the game will not be counted, the cup moderator will help me delete the game. Oh yes, it's me :D

I appeal to all the participants of the cup. In the following games, use scheme 223 or 3864 for cup games. The cup layout has been updated. Keep in mind.

hf gl
Deadline: June 11, 2021, 02:00 PM
Group 1
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Russian Federation SIBASA RS 2 1/2 1
United States Sycotropic 1 1/2 0
Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan Pn ae ZaR 1 0/1 1
Russian Federation Neva17 0 0 0
Games [2]Notes [4]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226967 Russian Federation SIBASA Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan
2:1
April 18, 2021, 08:18 PM 0
226926 United States Sycotropic Russian Federation SIBASA
2:0
April 12, 2021, 10:11 PM 2

[April 12, 2021, 10:12 PM] United States Sycotropic: Did I report that correctly? I won 2 but it's showing 1 / 2. I'm guessing the "multiple games" means ties?..
[April 13, 2021, 06:23 AM] Ukraine Lancelot: its ok dude
[April 13, 2021, 07:44 AM] Ukraine Lancelot: Game Deadcode vs Syc, Guys, send the normal game results in one cup count. It can be 2: 0, 2: 1. You don't need to send one game at a time. I will remove these games, and I will ask you to fix the error. Thank you
[April 27, 2021, 12:37 PM] Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan: My discord: Mega`Preject#5501, message me here to arrange games
Group 2
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Ukraine Lancelot RS tS pH 3 2/5 1
United Kingdom Run 1 1/2 0
Nepal bitermer 1 0 1
Brazil djongador 1 0 1
Games [3]Notes [2]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226966 Ukraine Lancelot Nepal bitermer
2:0
April 18, 2021, 07:19 PM 0
226965 Ukraine Lancelot Brazil djongador
2:0
April 18, 2021, 04:11 PM 0
226953 United Kingdom Run Ukraine Lancelot
2:1
April 16, 2021, 07:51 PM 0

[April 12, 2021, 05:50 PM] Ukraine Lancelot: i am here, when my snooper in online, so pm me when you ready to play
[April 13, 2021, 10:51 AM] United Kingdom Run: I can most easily be found on discord: squidgeny#9793
Group 3
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Finland VoK TdC VDV ea 1 1/2 0
Chile Mustachio 1 0 1
Brazil NEO.X brOZ CWC ae 0 0 0
Russian Federation Perdunok 0 0 0
Games [1]Notes [1]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226937 Finland VoK Chile Mustachio
2:0
April 14, 2021, 03:21 PM 0

[April 15, 2021, 05:24 PM] Chile Mustachio: Snooptachio on Snooper, PM me if you're free to play if you see me online
Group 4
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Finland Senator TdC VDV S17 2 2/4 0
Brazil FoxHound cFc WoSC 2 1/3 1
Slovakia hal 2 0 2
Argentina Seven 0 0 0
Games [3]Notes [1]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
227192 Finland Senator Slovakia hal
2:0
May 19, 2021, 07:33 PM 0
227022 Brazil FoxHound Slovakia hal
2:0
April 25, 2021, 08:34 PM 0
227020 Finland Senator Brazil FoxHound
2:1
April 25, 2021, 07:48 PM 0

[April 15, 2021, 10:18 PM] Slovakia hal: Message me on snooper for games @HalSnoop

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Offline djongador

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2021, 12:26 AM »
What are the two numbers in the "won" column? Is it number of players beat followed by the number of games won?

I think the first number refers to games the player won and the number after slash is the amount of rounds won. But thats just a guess

Offline SIBASA

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2021, 09:05 PM »
What are the two numbers in the "won" column? Is it number of players beat followed by the number of games won?

I think the first number refers to games the player won and the number after slash is the amount of rounds won. But thats just a guess

Yes, that is right. I looked at different games in other cups and found confirmation of this

Offline SIBASA

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2021, 10:14 PM »
Is it legal to use the wrong scheme?

I agreed to play with Deadcode, but at the last moment before the game he said that he would use his own scheme, because he didn't like the cup scheme. I was against this, but Deadcode insisted and said that if his scheme was not, he would not play.

Okay, I agreed to his scheme, because I have been waiting for this game for a long time.
Not to say that I recently enjoyed the game in general, it was cool, but I played as insecurely as possible, since I could not know the full characteristics of this scheme - this is confusing.
I have no complaints about the game and its rusults (after all, I agreed, albeit under pressure), let it stay.

I don't mind if the players use a different scheme, if they both absolutely agree, but in our case I will not say that I agreed of my own free will, and this is a little unpleasant.


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[Deadcode] to be specific, I downloaded the scheme, but it sucks, so we'll play with the WL scheme
[Deadcode] longbow = 22 + 22
[Deadcode] and cheats disabled
[Deadcode] er, glitches I mean
[SIBASA`] you cannot play another scheme (
[Deadcode] sure I can :) and I did already, with Syc
[Deadcode] just don't make a big deal about it
[SIBASA`] I would like to play according to the cup scheme
[Deadcode] If you're going to insist, I'll just quit the cup
[Deadcode] Lancelot's posted scheme is garbage
[SIBASA`] I think you need to play according to the scheme that was given. These are the rules
[Deadcode] The scheme is garbage. If we have to do that, I would rather just quit the cup
[Deadcode] So let's bend the rules a bit, and make it enjoyable.
[Deadcode] and fair.
[SIBASA`] You entered the cup by agreeing to the rules and scheme
[Deadcode] I didn't notice at the time that he insisted on a certain scheme.
[Deadcode] if I had, I would have discussed it before joining
[Deadcode] and if he had not agreed on changing it, I wouldn't have joined
[Deadcode] but when I noticed, I had already joined
[SIBASA`] okay ... let's play, but mind you, I'm not happy))
[Deadcode] If you want me to quit the cup, go ahead and be stubborn about this, and I will quit it
[Deadcode] ok thanks
[Deadcode] noted
[Deadcode] if Lancelot makes a big deal about this later on, I'll be sure to tell him you protested




Offline Deadcode

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2021, 11:57 PM »
Well, I did not expect you to do this (hence my last line in that log quote), and I would have chosen my words with more tact had I known. But okay, since you insist, let's do this.

Yes, I forgot to check if there was a scheme prescribed by this cup before joining it. Had I had the presence of mind to check for a scheme before joining, I would have brought up the issue with Lancelot, and asked him to change the scheme.

But I only realized many days later, after the cup had already begun and I was just about to start my match with Syc, and when I looked at that scheme, I was repelled. Not only is it an extreme insult to my hard work with v3.8 to not include any glitch-disabling v3.8 features in this cup's scheme, and yet still say "standart team17 rules (no knocking, no roofing)" [sic], as if WA v3.8 doesn't even exist, but it also has the old-style 50+50 hp damage Longbows, which are absolutely terrible. They give anybody an easy, free 100 points of damage, which is totally unfair and unbalanced, and strongly discourages using the Longbow in creative ways. In contrast, every single detail about the WormsLeague T17 scheme has been carefully honed by huge fans of the scheme.

So yes, if Lancelot does insist that it's completely illegal to use a different scheme, I will have no interest in participating in this cup. Because of that, up until this point I chose not to confront Lancelot about it because if he insisted that his chosen scheme must be the one used, then I would not have even got a chance to begin playing the cup, and would've had to quit immediately. But at least now, if he still decides not to allow it, I will have had a chance to experience it at least a little before having to leave. I was really hoping it would just go unnoticed, and then next time a cup was created I could bring up the issue. But it appears SIBASA was not on the same page. (Frankly, I hadn't dismissed the possibility that Lancelot had already noticed I didn't use the provided scheme in my games with Syc, and had chosen to pretend he hadn't noticed. But even if that was the case, he has no choice but to say something about it now.) So now it's become a distinctly unpleasant situation with the potential to become quite a bit more unpleasant.

Assuming this *is* okayed, I do recommend that everybody else use the same T17 scheme I've been using, from now on, in this cup: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3891/  But that is just my recommendation, and what turns out to be done is not up to me to decide.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2021, 01:29 AM by Deadcode »

Offline XanKriegor

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2021, 02:00 AM »
The cup's scheme says "Team17" and the description does not point out it have any difference from standard one. Could a player assume the used scheme is the standard one? Of course. Personally i would not even think of downloading a cup's scheme if there are no signs of diffenence.

Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2021, 03:51 AM »
You can't make anybody happy anymore these days.

Offline Lancelot

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2021, 08:15 AM »
So, I read your messages here and realized that I had already managed to displease someone and insult someone by the presence of an old version of the cup scheme. It sounds like nonsense, but I'll write about this below.

Where did this scheme come from? This is an old version of the league scheme.
It is more to my liking and I think it is more dynamic in terms of combat actions on the map. SD weapons drop more balanced here than in the new league scheme. In almost any cr8, you can take a weapon that can do something with the enemy. I will exclude from the list weapons like cluster grenades, a mortar, which need to be strengthened in terms of damage, otherwise it is useless in this scheme. The scheme currently being played in the league is more balanced in terms of low power weapons and a lot of trash in crates. It is considered an incredible success to pull the SD weapon out of the box. I will add another possibly unstable drop of SD weapons - three or four in a row. This fact does not fit with the balance, right? Plus, I will also say that the share of luck in the scheme plays a greater role than in the cup scheme. When one collects good boxes, the other collects trash, and this plays a decisive role. But then it turns out that the garbage weapon needs to be changed in terms of strength.

Let's move on to the alleged "insult". Nobody forced you to enter the cup by force. Once you've signed up, play by the rules. I personally do not like the T17 league scheme, but this is not a reason for me to play the league according to a different scheme, because I am capricious for someone, and do not obey the system. The league scheme is shit. I say this officially. And the percentages don't interest me. I look at gaming experience and real facts, not statistics and theories. I'm not even saying that some of you know the game so well that you don't make mistakes in moves. Some, like the "developers", can use their written tricks to their advantage. This option may well be left as a theory. But I play the league even if I don't like the league's scheme. Because I like the whole circuit. And the whims of someone who wants to go against the system, I will not take seriously. It's very childish.

I lost my game in the group yesterday. In the third round, I came across an arsenal that comes across in the league scheme, and with which I could not resist an opponent who had more serious weapons. And this extra firewood threw into the fire of hatred for the league scheme.

I will not ask you to delete your game (Deadcode and Sibasa), because both opponents agreed and played. But the last time I warn each of the participants: follow the rules and play for fun. After all, this is a game for numbers, not a game for life or material values. If there are massive sabotages of games in the group not according to the scheme that I fixed in the cup page, I will simply ask the moderator to remove the cup. I will have reasons for this and possible conflicts that I will not support and incite. I know how to act radically, within the framework that is available to me. Do not lead to sin.

hf
« Last Edit: April 17, 2021, 04:57 PM by Lancelot »
   

Offline Lancelot

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2021, 08:43 AM »
Deadcode, if you played cup games not according to the scheme indicated, I have the right to delete your games, since they were played in a different scheme. I would advise you to replay all the games with whom you played in the band without unnecessary emotions. In any other case, if you refuse to change the scheme, then the games will not be counted again.

added:

I looked at all the reports with Deadcode, and since all the games were not played on the cup scheme, I have a reason to delete all games where he used the wrong scheme.

added 2:

I have no personal conflicts with anyone, and will not be in the future. But enough time has passed from the start of registration to the start of the draw to make any adjustments to the scheme or rules. To be honest, I listened to each of the players without any problems regarding the scheme or any other suggestions for improving the gameplay. For me, as a cup moderator and one of the T17 community admins, it is interesting to see new variations of the scheme that could be more balanced. And I will definitely play the version of Deadcode with my guys from the T17 community. But the cup has already started, games have been played, and I have no right to delete these games. I am acting within the rules. And I find it rather stupid and incompetent to create very controversial and emotionally acute situations after the gameplay draw.

At the moment, I turned to Deadcode in order to prevent further conflicts.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2021, 09:23 AM by Lancelot »
   

Offline Deadcode

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2021, 07:22 PM »
Lancelot, if you want to delete my games, go ahead. I will have no further interest in playing this cup if you do though, so go ahead and delete me from the roster while you're at it. I think Syc will want the same, as he agreed with me about the scheme you attached to the cup.

Orrrr you could just let us play using this better scheme. It's not a big deal, right? Would you rather have a fun cup where we get to play using a scheme we don't hate, or a rigid by-the-book cup in which some players have quit due to said rigidity? I do ask that I continue to be allowed to play using my preferred scheme though, please. And I'm not asking for any other of the rules to be bent, only that we be allowed to use this scheme (the one I've played 6 cup rounds on already) instead of the one attached to the cup.

Edit: I see you deleted the games anyway. Okay then, go ahead and delete me from the roster, I have no interest in playing this cup or any future cup (or event of any kind) that you host.

You could still redeem this, though. Allow me to re-upload the same games as already played and continue to play with that scheme instead of the one attached to the cup.

If anyone wants to watch the currently-deleted games who hasn't already downloaded them:
2021-04-13 06.28.13 [Online Round 1] Syc, @Deadcode.WAgame
2021-04-13 07.10.05 [Online Round 2] Syc, @Deadcode.WAgame
2021-04-13 07.36.52 [Online Round 3] Syc, @Deadcode.WAgame
2021-04-16 19.58.28 [Online Round 1] @Deadcode, SIBASA`.WAgame
2021-04-16 20.30.38 [Online Round 2] @Deadcode, SIBASA`.WAgame
2021-04-16 20.59.51 [Online Round 3] @Deadcode, SIBASA`.WAgame

Let's move on to the alleged "insult". Nobody forced you to enter the cup by force. Once you've signed up, play by the rules. I personally do not like the T17 league scheme, but this is not a reason for me to play the league according to a different scheme, because I am capricious for someone, and do not obey the system. The league scheme is shit. I say this officially. And the percentages don't interest me. I look at gaming experience and real facts, not statistics and theories. I'm not even saying that some of you know the game so well that you don't make mistakes in moves. Some, like the "developers", can use their written tricks to their advantage. This option may well be left as a theory. But I play the league even if I don't like the league's scheme. Because I like the whole circuit. And the whims of someone who wants to go against the system, I will not take seriously. It's very childish.
Aaand you didn't even address the actual issue. Your cup scheme doesn't have glitches disabled, as is possible in the WA v3.8+ scheme format. I have no interest in manually enforcing these as "rules" (no rope knocking, no roofing, no skipwalking) just to adhere to a rigid doctrine about using the precise scheme attached to the cup, especially after it was my own hard work along with CyberShadow's that made it possible to have them enforced automatically by the game. You also didn't address the issue about the Longbow damage. (There are also other things I didn't mention, like the BlowTorch and Drill power, which are best set to 3 stars, but in your cup scheme are 5 stars.) All you did was talk about aspects of the scheme I have no particular quarrel with (but nevertheless still prefer them being as they are in the WL scheme).

Note that manually enforcing no-rope-knocking, as a rule instead of a scheme setting, is actually really terrible, because rope knucking, where you swing your worm to fall through a worm that's blocking a passageway, into the other side, is a very legitimate move, and without rope knocking being disabled by the game itself, can't be done without risking breaking the no-rope-knocking rule. (Unless you play the game in #PartyTime or via wa:// URL.)

And I would like to point out that the WormsLeague T17 scheme is not this "T17 league scheme" you talk about being shit. The WormsLeague scheme was created along with WL on 2020-09-05. This year I've been playing T17s with almost exactly the same WL scheme, but fine tuned a bit; the banana crate probability is down a notch, the Longbow damage is changed from 15+15 to 22+22, and a slight bug in the set of disabled glitches has been fixed. Otherwise it's the same as the WL Season 1 scheme.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2021, 08:09 PM by Deadcode »

Offline Sycotropic

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2021, 08:19 PM »
I have to agree that it's pretty silly to delete games if both players agreed on the scheme.

I think it was just an oversight on our part to not look at the scheme before registering. It's understandable that since you created the cup you want everyone to follow your rules, so I think it's probably best for everyone if you remove us from the roster since we don't want to play with the scheme you've provided.

Offline Lancelot

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2021, 09:40 PM »
Ok, you can upload the games against Syc, but you have to rematch games with SIBASA, because he didn't agree with your choice.

I can replace the cup scheme and set HHC Team17 scheme version.
Since, in my opinion, it is more balanced than the cup one.

But your scheme will still not be correct, Deadcode. Use a cup scheme to play in this cup, or do not play at all.

This is my last word. I replaced the scheme with a more bearable one.
You need to play cup games according to the HHC scheme, or not play at all.

It doesn't matter to me who you are, a developer, a simple player or the Lord God
   

Offline Lancelot

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2021, 09:45 PM »
I appeal to all the participants of the cup. In the following games, use scheme 223 (Team17 by HHC) for cup games. The cup layout has been updated. Keep in mind.
   

Offline Deadcode

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2021, 10:40 PM »
Ok, you can upload the games against Syc,
Um, thanks, but...
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but you have to rematch games with SIBASA, because he didn't agree with your choice.
That is not what happened. SIBASA agreed to the scheme, under protest. He was free to choose not to agree, at which point I would've exercised my choice as well, to leave the cup. It's all there in the log file he quoted.

Furthermore, I already made my position clear. If forced to play on a scheme with the problems I've described your scheme had, I would choose to leave the cup.

Quote
I can replace the cup scheme and set HHC Team17 scheme version.
Since, in my opinion, it is more balanced than the cup one.
All you've done is replace the bad scheme with an even older bad scheme that has every single one of the problems I highlighted above. Did you read anything I wrote?

  • No WA v3.8+ scheme options
    • Rope knocking is not disabled
    • no glitches are disabled
  • Longbow is set to 50+50 damage
  • BlowTorch and Drill are set to 5 stars

Quote
This is my last word. I replaced the scheme with a more bearable one.
You need to play cup games according to the HHC scheme, or not play at all.

Please delete Syc and me from the roster, already. I've made my position clear.

Offline Lancelot

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2021, 11:03 PM »
Ok, you can upload the games against Syc,
Um, thanks, but...
Quote
but you have to rematch games with SIBASA, because he didn't agree with your choice.
That is not what happened. SIBASA agreed to the scheme, under protest. He was free to choose not to agree, at which point I would've exercised my choice as well, to leave the cup. It's all there in the log file he quoted.


Quote
I can replace the cup scheme and set HHC Team17 scheme version.
Since, in my opinion, it is more balanced than the cup one.
All you've done is replace the bad scheme with an even older bad scheme that has every single one of the problems I highlighted above. Did you read anything I wrote?

  • No WA v3.8+ scheme options
    • Rope knocking is not disabled
    • no glitches are disabled
  • Longbow is set to 50+50 damage
  • BlowTorch and Drill are set to 5 stars

Quote
This is my last word. I replaced the scheme with a more bearable one.
You need to play cup games according to the HHC scheme, or not play at all.

Please delete Syc and me from the roster, already. I've made my position clear.

Do you want to play by your own rules? Create your own cups and don't fool people's heads. I took a step to revive the local community of players a little - and there will always be those who do not like it. You are like one of those people.

I can't delete you, but I can find a replacement, don't worry. I will find adequate people to play, and not snot in the comments, while adding my services to the community of players

Furthermore, I already made my position clear. If forced to play on a scheme with the problems I've described your scheme had, I would choose to leave the cup.
   

Offline Kradie

Re: Cup #1109, Camelot Team17 cup
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2021, 11:22 PM »
Ok, you can upload the games against Syc,
Um, thanks, but...
Quote
but you have to rematch games with SIBASA, because he didn't agree with your choice.
That is not what happened. SIBASA agreed to the scheme, under protest. He was free to choose not to agree, at which point I would've exercised my choice as well, to leave the cup. It's all there in the log file he quoted.


Quote
I can replace the cup scheme and set HHC Team17 scheme version.
Since, in my opinion, it is more balanced than the cup one.
All you've done is replace the bad scheme with an even older bad scheme that has every single one of the problems I highlighted above. Did you read anything I wrote?

  • No WA v3.8+ scheme options
    • Rope knocking is not disabled
    • no glitches are disabled
  • Longbow is set to 50+50 damage
  • BlowTorch and Drill are set to 5 stars

Quote
This is my last word. I replaced the scheme with a more bearable one.
You need to play cup games according to the HHC scheme, or not play at all.

Please delete Syc and me from the roster, already. I've made my position clear.

Do you want to play by your own rules? Create your own cups and don't fool people's heads. I took a step to revive the local community of players a little - and there will always be those who do not like it. You are like one of those people.

I can't delete you, but I can find a replacement, don't worry. I will find adequate people to play, and not snot in the comments, while adding my services to the community of players

Furthermore, I already made my position clear. If forced to play on a scheme with the problems I've described your scheme had, I would choose to leave the cup.

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