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Camelot Fort Cup #2

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Name: Camelot Fort Cup #2 - сhallenge everyone and yourself
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: June 22, 2022, 12:44 PM

Cup scheme(s): scheme Fort+
Click on the book to download the scheme. Click on the scheme name to view the scheme page.

Signups time: June 24, 2022, 12:30 AM

Finished


Description:


Welcome to my another Camelot Cup.

Fort to fort, a classic gunfight using a classic scheme.
Anyone can join, there is nothing special about this scheme. I urge everyone to join as soon as possible.


Rules are:

- 3 worm per team (groups, K/O stage, final/bronze too);
- сlassic fort rule: no invade enemy fort. But its allowed to collect crates in the center of the map;
- bo1 all games (final/bronze too);
- use scheme ONLY 4575;
- you can host with HostingBuddy and use command !tusscheme 4575 to upload the cup scheme;
- use maps from WMDB (Fort type) but recommended to use maps whose size does not exceed 3000x1000;
- play the map by agreeing with the opponent;
- Normal Knockout mode.


F.A.Q

1. My worm after the explosion fell on the enemy fort. What should I do? Can I keep playing it?
- Yes, you can keep playing. Get the worm back to your fort using the rope or jetpack and continue. Use Select Worm to change worm if need.
(I thought about this situation for a long time, also asked friends and players. In the end, I decided to act more humanely about this)

2. Can I collect crates in enemy fort?
- Nope. Only neutral (center) zone or your fort :)

3. Can I shoot from neutral zone?
- Nope. Only from your fort.

4. Is a draw possible?
- I think not. In this situation, I will take an example from the team17 cup, where there was a rule - the last worm that drowned completely wins.

5. I / My opponent has problems with the Internet connection, HostingBuddy has crashed, other reasons for the connection failure. How to proceed?
- Rematch.

6. My opponent deliberately violates the rules of the game. How to proceed?
- Notify me PM, show a replay of the game, upload to a file hosting or discord. Next, I will already decide whether the player should continue to participate in the cup.

For more information on the scheme, you can refer to the link: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4575

Were taken into account the shortcomings of the previous Cup, and made the scheme more interesting

I want everything to be sporty and according to the rules.

Honor and glory, fun and luck


Cup Medals:

Knockout

You have 23 days to complete the cup

hf
Deadline: August 29, 2022, 12:30 PM


Final

inzsome (InZa)

Bronze Match

Gold

Silver

inzsome (InZa)

Bronze


inzsome (InZa)

inzsome (InZa)


Groups

Guys, I give you 22 days for the group stage.

If there is a possibility of a replacement - write to me in the PM

hf

P.s - I'm thinking about filing a cup closure request if you don't play your games in the group.
Deadline: August 06, 2022, 11:30 AM
Group 1
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Mexico Jago pH ae 2 2 0
Norway Kradie ob ZaR RT 2 1 1
Russian Federation kirill470 2 0 2
Games [3]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
232971 Mexico Jago Norway Kradie
1:0
July 15, 2022, 05:38 PM 0
232824 Mexico Jago Russian Federation kirill470
1:0
July 07, 2022, 05:20 PM 0
232820 Norway Kradie Russian Federation kirill470
1:0
July 06, 2022, 03:32 PM 0
Group 2
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Germany inzsome 2 1 1
Germany vesuvio 1 1 0
Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan ob ae ZaR 1 0 1
Games [2]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
233125 Germany vesuvio Germany inzsome
1:0
July 24, 2022, 04:34 PM 0
233102 Germany inzsome Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan
1:0
July 23, 2022, 05:31 PM 0
Group 3
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Finland VoK TdC VDV ea 2 2 0
Ukraine Lancelot ob tS pH 2 1 1
Russian Federation SIBASA AQUA MM WoSC 2 0 2
Games [3]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
232851 Finland VoK Ukraine Lancelot
1:0
July 09, 2022, 03:27 PM 0
232850 Finland VoK Russian Federation SIBASA
1:0
July 09, 2022, 03:26 PM 0
232821 Ukraine Lancelot Russian Federation SIBASA
1:0
July 06, 2022, 03:46 PM 0
Group 4
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Germany Kevin04 dP 2 2 0
Germany Big Billy sm NfBX 2 1 1
Netherlands StJimmy TdC 2 0 2
Games [3]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
233193 Germany Big Billy Netherlands StJimmy
1:0
July 30, 2022, 06:38 PM 0
233049 Germany Kevin04 Netherlands StJimmy
1:0
July 18, 2022, 09:25 PM 0
232880 Germany Kevin04 Germany Big Billy
1:0
July 10, 2022, 09:43 PM 0

Author Topic: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup  (Read 1982 times)

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Offline Kaleu

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2022, 09:28 PM »
I asked inza to play way before the deadline but he didnt answer, when he did I had only 2 days available so I proposed monday but my car broke in the farm so I was waiting for a ride and asked politely to wait but Kradie is really strict with his deadlines.


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Offline Kaleu

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2022, 09:31 PM »
Kradie, why did you proceed inzsome and not donnie if donnie has evidence that he was making more of an effort to play the match? Was there something behind the scenes we're not aware of?

I don't see either of them posting in this thread until it was too late so wondering what aided your decision.
Statistically speaking, Donnie would have had the upper hand against Inszome. 

My decision has nothing to do with Donnie as a person, or any past and recent events.

I only proceeded Inzsome because of my strict custom cup rules. I presume all contenders read them.

Inzsome did try to communicate with Donnie multiple times. Sometime without success of getting a reply.


This is false, we had an agreement for monday but when I tried to come home my car wouldnt work.
So I imeddiately let him know I was stuck outside home, and you too as the cup hoster. Check 2 screenshots above.
Edit: Not really imediately because connection in the farm is rare, I had to go several kilometers to do that in the next day.

This is really frustrating because It was not my fault. Maybe I shouldnt join any other cup with so strict deadlines.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2022, 09:35 PM by donnie »
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Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2022, 09:49 PM »
Since Kradie is the Cup Moderator, if he set a deadline, it's up to the players to follow this deadline.

Regardless of the reasons for failure to get the games done by the deadline, Kradie is within his rights to proceed, deadline extensions can be requested or given by moderators but as far as I'm aware, not mandatory.

I honestly cannot fault Kradie for this.

So the question comes down to, who deserved the technical win? Who actually made the most effort to organize their game? Who reached out to who first? Who is more to blame for not getting the games done on time?

If it turned out that donnie did actually do more to deserve the technical win, what could we even do about it? I've seen single games backtracked before but never a Semi-Final leading to a Final and Bronze match. This would mean those other players get their matches cancelled as well.

However if donnie did make the most effort, I'd say that's pretty unfair to advance inzsome.

If there was a request for action to be taken about this, I'd prefer MonkeyIsland handle this as I've never experienced this situation before and there aren't really any rules about it.

We'll see what Kradie replies first.


Offline Kradie

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2022, 10:28 PM »
I can't account for every possible contingency for every participants of my cup. Therefore I act on my strict rules, and this may seem unfair for some. But  people should be AWARE of the rules when they enter, and understand the consequence in case of contingency. Stuff happens to everyone and it sucks. I did see Donnie's message here on TUS, but it was on the 9th, and 11 hours remained until the cup's deadline. I chose to look past his message and proceed Inszome. Could I have waited? Of course. But why did I not do it? I wanted the cup to be over ASAP, and not have to wait until Thursday and Friday. Was this a personal decision? A swing at Donnie? No.

What do you mean I advanced you twice? I just seek clarity.

Thanks.
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Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2022, 10:37 PM »
That's all well said Kradie, but can you provide evidence for what you said earlier please:

Inzsome did try to communicate with Donnie multiple times. Sometime without success of getting a reply.

Just in case donnie tries to argue this, could you provide evidence of that in this thread please? That way everyone can be assured everything was done fairly.

Offline Kradie

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2022, 11:02 PM »
That's all well said Kradie, but can you provide evidence for what you said earlier please:

Inzsome did try to communicate with Donnie multiple times. Sometime without success of getting a reply.

Just in case donnie tries to argue this, could you provide evidence of that in this thread please? That way everyone can be assured everything was done fairly.
This is the best I can provide. I have always tried to be the Intermediary between the contenders, particularly near deadline. Everyone else plays just fine though. If this is isn't enough to anyone's satisfactory. Then I have nothing more to add.
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Offline Kaleu

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2022, 12:40 AM »
"How come my opponent only talk to you"

HAHAHA. This guy never added me on discord and basically never uses a snooper. Maybe if you joined #ag you would talk to me like sock, doc, kradie. Hell, even #worms on IRC you would find me. What a manipulator. :D
Whatever, we can still play the match even if the final score won't be changed.
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Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1170, ZaR Roper Cup
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2022, 01:21 AM »
Based on the evidence shown so far, donnie made first contact, directly. After donnie's initial message to inzsome, inzsome didn't reply for 3 days, then donnie replied on the same day saying he couldn't play for 3 days so it seems pretty equal there in terms of not being available to play, 3 days each.

However, the screenshots show that donnie was checking his mail more regularly, as he replied on the same day when inzsome replied to donnie.

Unless anyone can provide some evidence that inzsome made more effort than the messages already shown, then it's pretty clear, at least to me, that donnie made more of an effort to play his games and communicate to organize his games. It just looks to me like donnie actually cared more about getting the games done, he even appealed asking for a little more time.

The fact donnie actually let inzsome know he wasn't going to be available for 3 days, in my eyes, is a huge sign of respect, rather than just ignore and ghost people.

If it was me, based on what I've seen so far, I'd have proceeded donnie, not inzsome, I'm basing that purely on the images shown in the thread so far though.

I'll ask MonkeyIsland to see what his opinion is, even if nothing happens here, perhaps some guidelines can be thought up to help avoid this situation in future.

Personally, I try to message people and tell them to directly reply to the event page/thread to show their effort and secure their position, this holds the most priority when selecting technical wins in my eyes.

In an ideal world, all participants who sign up, would actually check the event page/thread and do their best to communicate and organize their games on a daily basis.