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Academy of Artillery #1

Cup #1188, Viewed 8550 Time(s)

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Name: Academy of Artillery #1
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: March 10, 2023, 06:20 PM

Cup scheme(s): scheme Hysteria, scheme BnG, scheme Forts K, scheme Grenade Wars K, scheme Aerial K
Click on the book to download the scheme. Click on the scheme name to view the scheme page.

Signups time: March 10, 2023, 06:30 PM

Finished


Description:
Academy of Artillery #1



Rules:

All matches are 'Best of 5'.

Players can agree on which scheme to play first, the loser gets the next pick, then alternate until someone reaches 3 wins first.

If players can't agree on first pick, play 'Comet Dodging' to decide who gets first pick, then alternate.

Map choice and style is decided by the player who picked the scheme, opponent cannot refuse the pickers map choice.

NO NSFW MAPS

If a draw happens on a mutual pick, both players must agree to a new scheme, they can however agree to the same scheme again.

If a draw happens when a player picked the scheme, that scheme goes back into the available schemes to pick and the other player gets to pick the next scheme from whatever is left to pick from.



Live Streams:

It will be mandatory that the Semi-Final and Final matches will be scheduled in advance and streamed at https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA

All other matches are optional though appreciated if you can organize for them to be streamed.

If possible, I would like to stream every single match live.

If you are interested in competitive matches for Worms Armageddon, join our Discord where we're focused on all aspects of competitive WA:

-----> CLICK HERE TO JOIN OUR DISCORD - Competitive Worms Armageddon <-----



Deadlines:

There will be deadlines set for each stage, there will be no extensions.

Group Stage - 4 weeks
Playoffs Quarter Finals - 2 weeks
Playoffs Semi Finals - 2 weeks
Playoffs Final - 2 weeks

It is each players responsibility to organize their matches before the deadline.

Organizing your matches within the official Cup thread takes priority over all other forms of communication with your opponent when judging who will proceed due to unfinished matches.

Though players can organize their matches outside of TUS if they wish.



Prize Pool:

1st - £20

2nd - £10

3rd - £5


ALL PRIZES ARE PAID VIA PAYPAL OR STEAM GAME GIFT UP TO THE VALUE OF THE PRIZE MONEY



Schemes & Scheme Rules:

Aerial K / Edited Scheme / TUS Rules / https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5052/

BnG / TUS League Scheme / TUS Rules / https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-992/

Forts K / Edited Scheme / No Invading / Standard Size Mapshttps://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5048/

Grenade Wars K / Edited Scheme / No Rules / https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5049/

Hysteria / TUS League Scheme / TUS Rules / https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-16/




Cup Medals:

Knockout

Deadline: May 10, 2023, 12:00 AM


Final


Bronze Match


Gold

Silver

Bronze





Groups

Deadline: April 11, 2023, 12:00 AM
Group 1
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Ukraine Xrayez che pH a2a 3 3/9 0
Germany vesuvio MOLCR 3 2/8 1
Brazil FoxHound AQUA WoSC PoC 3 1/5 2
Argentina Mr-gusa FS 3 0 3
Games [6]Notes [3]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
236319 Germany vesuvio Argentina Mr-gusa
3:0
April 08, 2023, 08:19 PM 0
236298 Germany vesuvio Brazil FoxHound
3:2
April 06, 2023, 03:28 PM 0
236131 Brazil FoxHound Argentina Mr-gusa
3:0
March 22, 2023, 11:44 PM 0
236102 Ukraine Xrayez Brazil FoxHound
3:0
March 18, 2023, 07:10 PM 3
236099 Ukraine Xrayez Argentina Mr-gusa
3:0
March 18, 2023, 04:26 PM 0
236067 Ukraine Xrayez Germany vesuvio
3:2
March 15, 2023, 05:22 PM 0

[March 21, 2023, 10:07 AM] Germany vesuvio: Mr-Gusa and Foxhound lets play :O
[March 23, 2023, 12:21 AM] Brazil FoxHound: yes. When can you play?
[April 06, 2023, 11:56 AM] Germany vesuvio: Hi i can play at 15gtm or 14 !
Group 2
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Netherlands StJimmy TdC ae 3 2/8 1
Poland KinslayeR dP 3 2/8 1
Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan dP ae ZaR 3 2/8 1
Russian Federation kirill470 3 0/1 3
Games [6]Notes [8]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
236203 Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan Netherlands StJimmy
3:2
March 29, 2023, 09:51 PM 0
236117 Netherlands StJimmy Poland KinslayeR
3:2
March 21, 2023, 07:20 PM 0
236092 Netherlands StJimmy Russian Federation kirill470
3:1
March 17, 2023, 04:37 PM 0
236068 Poland KinslayeR Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan
3:2
March 15, 2023, 08:55 PM 0
236066 Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan Russian Federation kirill470
3:0
March 14, 2023, 06:36 PM 1
236064 Poland KinslayeR Russian Federation kirill470
3:0
March 14, 2023, 05:31 PM 1

[March 14, 2023, 04:25 PM] Poland KinslayeR: I am avalable at evenings, call me at dsc NIGHTWISH#3380
[March 14, 2023, 05:50 PM] Poland KinslayeR: tomorrow me vs adnan 18 gmt stream by komo
[March 15, 2023, 06:26 AM] Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan: Ok, thanks Kinu. I'll be there. @TheKomodo
[March 15, 2023, 09:00 PM] Netherlands StJimmy: kirill, lets play at friday 15gmt i think that time would be oke for every1
[March 17, 2023, 09:06 AM] Netherlands StJimmy: Kins, sunday 15 gmt mb for our game?
[March 18, 2023, 02:10 PM] Poland KinslayeR: Ok Jimmy, tomorrow 15 gmt
[March 18, 2023, 02:44 PM] Netherlands StJimmy: oke cool
[March 18, 2023, 02:47 PM] Netherlands StJimmy: ...or not cool actually. Komo wants to stream the game and there will be Leddy vs Zwit at 16 gmt. we might need to move it to 14 gmt mb
Group 3
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Ukraine Rocket ZaR 3 3/9 0
Mexico Jago MOLCR pH ae 3 2/6 1
Finland VoK ea VDV TdC 3 1/7 2
Uruguay stoner6 AQUA ZaR 3 0/2 3
Games [6]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
236293 Finland VoK Uruguay stoner6
3:1
April 06, 2023, 07:27 AM 0
236291 Mexico Jago Uruguay stoner6
3:1
April 06, 2023, 02:51 AM 0
236225 Ukraine Rocket Uruguay stoner6
3:0
April 01, 2023, 03:45 PM 0
236199 Mexico Jago Finland VoK
3:2
March 28, 2023, 04:43 PM 0
236156 Ukraine Rocket Finland VoK
3:2
March 25, 2023, 04:52 PM 2
236093 Ukraine Rocket Mexico Jago
3:0
March 17, 2023, 07:07 PM 0
Group 4
Country Player Groups Total Won Lost #1 #2
Russian Federation Zwitter 3 3/9 0
United States TheWalrus NBR S17 3 2/8 1
Poland Ledan AQUA BrS PoC 3 1/5 2
Germany Big Billy sm NfBX 3 0 3
Games [6]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
236365 Russian Federation Zwitter United States TheWalrus
3:2
April 11, 2023, 11:08 PM 0
236284 United States TheWalrus Germany Big Billy
3:0
April 04, 2023, 09:53 PM 0
236126 Russian Federation Zwitter Germany Big Billy
3:0
March 22, 2023, 06:50 PM 0
236118 United States TheWalrus Poland Ledan
3:0
March 22, 2023, 03:08 PM 2
236111 Russian Federation Zwitter Poland Ledan
3:2
March 19, 2023, 06:01 PM 6
236083 Poland Ledan Germany Big Billy
3:0
March 16, 2023, 07:30 PM 0

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Offline Xrayez

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2023, 06:23 AM »
Thanks!

Congrats to Zwitter, those were very close and chaotic games, he made his comeback! ;)

The finals reminded me of my previous game vs Zwitter at Power Hysteria cup in 2014.

Hopefully, I have received extra points for my playing style... :D

In any case, my mission is accomplished. You can figure why I decided to play in this cup in the first place. Hopefully, the prize money will be spent on a righteous cause. ;D

The takeaway from this match is that you should never underestimate your opponent. But regardless of the result, I hope this symbolic match will motivate you to support the righteous cause with even more perseverance. :)

Offline TheWalrus

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2023, 08:35 PM »
Great cup with ridiculously competitive games, 3 out of my last 4 games went to game 5 against zwitter, Xrayez, and rocket.  Saw the tail end of game 5 in the final, will have to go back and watch the earlier games but seemed like a great series!  Thanks for hosting komo!

Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2023, 11:38 PM »
So I've already paid TheWalrus & Xrayez their prize money.

I am having issues with Zwitter though.

Long story short, he believes it's my "duty" to "fulfill the contract" and sign up to a 3rd party website in order to send him PayPal payment. Something which was not covered in the Cup description, because honestly I thought everyone was intelligent enough to realize that "PayPal" means "PayPal" and not "PayPal via 3rd party website that uses PayPal as a means of payment".

I've told him I am not signing up to a 3rd party website, he has 3 options:

PayPal
Steam Gift
Donation in his name to TUS or another organization.

He's now accusing me of scamming him, which is absolute BS because I am willing to send the prize money whenever he chooses one of the 3 methods I mentioned in the Cup description & first post of the Cup.

I'll write this once, and once only to make it as clear as possible:

I WILL NOT SIGN UP TO ANY 3RD PARTY WEBSITE, REGARDLESS IF IT'S SAFE OR UNSAFE.

You can accept the means of payment provided, or quite frankly, tough luck.

Offline TheWalrus

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2023, 11:43 PM »
I don't blame you, I definitely wouldn't sign up for some sketchy shit either

For zwitter: donate to TU$ like I did, MI can use the help!

Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2023, 11:55 PM »
The thing is...  He's trying to use what I didn't say against me! From his perspective, because I didn't write that 3rd party websites aren't allowed, this must mean it's ok to do this...

I also didn't write Ariana Grande is waiting for me in bed tonight, that doesn't mean she's waiting for me in her birthday suit!

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Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #95 on: May 25, 2023, 02:31 AM »
For me this is the same as winning a medal at the Olympic games and then refuse to stay on the podium, ask to send the medal to a cousin address in the middle of the ghetto of a far away place.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2023, 02:33 AM by FoxHound »
I doubt you see this link moving below (you will have to zoom in. If you click at it, you will have maden the impossible):
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Offline Xrayez

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2023, 10:17 AM »
I am having issues with Zwitter though.

Long story short, he believes it's my "duty" to "fulfill the contract" and sign up to a 3rd party website in order to send him PayPal payment. Something which was not covered in the Cup description, because honestly I thought everyone was intelligent enough to realize that "PayPal" means "PayPal" and not "PayPal via 3rd party website that uses PayPal as a means of payment".

If Zwitter asks you to use a third-party website, it likely means that he wants to avoid the economic sanctions imposed on his country, for very obvious reasons.

Therefore, if you use a third-party service, you would most likely be violating those international sanctions. Honestly, Zwitter should have known about this for more than a year. What did he expect? I agree that it shouldn’t be Komito’s concern. I guess Zwitter won’t agree to donate the prize money to a worthy cause either, so if I were you and Zwitter refused to accept the prize in one of the ways listed in your cup’s description, and given Zwitter's guilt-inducing behavior, which does not promote good sportsmanship either, I would allocate that prize for the next AoA #2 cup, or any other similar cup.

Many respectable e-sport events expect and comply with economic sanctions and international laws nowadays. I wish I could say more here, but I strongly advise you not to violate international law, Komito. That’s the least I can say here. Perhaps the cup’s description should have also mentioned this for all countries that are affected by economic sanctions, just as a courtesy notice, but again, Komito is not obliged to do so.

Offline XanKriegor

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2023, 04:57 PM »
AoA#2 cup prize or TUS donation seems to be best options here.

Offline Zwitter

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2023, 04:50 PM »
Here's the descussion in the PM with TheKomodo:


"Zwitter: Thank you for a great event, it was nice to take part in

My paypal account is now unavailable... Could you donate through this webpage? https://boosty.to/(...)
It accepts paypal payments. You will need to register there. According to Google, it should be 1 991,44 RUB as of current exchange rates

Did you see my game comment that one of my replays I uploaded is wrong? Can it be replaced? Aerial game lacking


TheKomodo: Hello,

Sorry, I will not register on any 3rd party website.

On the Cup page there were 3 options:

PayPal - Direct PayPal Payment.
Steam - Steam Gift up to the balance of the prize money.
Donation - A donation made to TUS or another service in your name.

Thanks.


Zwitter: The cup rules say: "ALL PRIZES ARE PAID VIA PAYPAL OR STEAM GAME GIFT UP TO THE VALUE OF THE PRIZE MONEY". In case of PayPal option, it's not specified, whether it has to be a direct transfer or it can be a third party service. I stated that I choose the PayPal payment to myself.

The website link to which I gave you (Boosty.to) is a popular platform for creators in my country, like Patreon or OnlyFans. As I said before, now it is the only possible way for me to receive money from other countries online. The platform is safe. You can check reviews about it.

There is a contract. A participant takes the prize-winning place, and you give the reward. I completed my part in good faith, having spent much time, correcting my plans and activities for your request. Now I want from you no more than to execute your part of the contract.


TheKomodo: It says "paid via paypal or steam gift", not via "3rd party website".

Do you actually think it's ok to force someone to register to a 3rd party website? If I had to GO OUT OF MY WAY for an extra payment method for you, then I'd have to do it for everyone, and that is not fair.

It is YOUR responsibility to make sure the available methods of payment are acceptable to you. It is unacceptable you are trying to make me do something that I did not agree to do.

I've already paid the others, with no complaints.


Zwitter: It says "via PayPal", and that only means that there has to be a PayPal system transaction. Saying "not via "3rd party website" you add/change your own rules after the contract.

I do actually think what I offer is fair, because me and the other winners are in different conditions, as I am under sanctions, and can't use the same method others do. My offer does not violate the initial rules of the cup (without your current interpretation of them). There are surely no complaints, because people have no problems getting the money directly with PayPal account.

There are no people that I know to ask, and that would be YOUR responsibility to find them, because payment part is your part of the contract. You should have specified what you had meant by "PayPal". From what we have I find my offer absolutely legit, and there are no rational reasons for you not to follow it. Why the being nice principle had been lost? I really don't ask much there, and I have no other choice.


TheKomodo: If you cannot accept PayPal directly, or if a Steam Gift is unacceptable to you.

I can donate the money to TUS or another service which uses PayPal directly, in your name.

Those are the ONLY 3 options.

Maybe you could find someone who would use this service for you? I could send them your winnings, they could use that service for you? Is there anyone you would trust for this?

Of course it says "via PayPal" because it's a PayPal transaction!

I did not specify about 3rd party websites because I assumed everyone is intelligent enough to understand that by saying you would be paid by PayPal it means directly, not via some 3rd party website. It's YOUR fault for making that ridiculous assumption.

It's NOT my problem that Russia is under sanctions. So stop trying to make it my problem.

You have no idea how rude it is that you think that I should sign up to a foreign website.

I don't care whether it's safe or not, I am NOT signing up to 3rd party websites when it's the players responsibility to accept the same payment options as every other player involved.

PayPal means PayPal... It's madness to think I'd have meant anything else there. If I were willing to use 3rd party websites to send money with PayPal I'd have included a statement such as:

"If you cannot receive PayPal direct, don't worry, I'll happily sign up to some 3rd party website to send your money!"

However, the reality is, I did no such thing, and you actually thinking that I should sign up to another website is actually an insult to me.

I've put a lot of time and effort into planning these events, hosting them, creating maps for them, streaming them! AoA took over 100 of my hours! So that people like you can enjoy a professional quality event, which is something I didn't get to experience myself when I was an active player 10-20 years ago.

Trust me, I feel terrible that you cannot receive your payment directly with PayPal, this is why the donation option was there in the event that a player does not have a bank account or steam account.

If you cannot receive the money, donate it to a good cause, or to TUS, or something.

Please don't take it out on me, I do as much as I can possibly do for the WA community trying to make it better...


Zwitter: What you say now are excuses on the not specified rules argument. You keep providing me your subjective visions of your rules. You are insulting me with your value judgements and blaming me. You can feel whatever you want, but you must take the responsibility and follow your part of the contract.

You feel terrible, spent 100 hours for the cup and at the same time can't find 5 minutes to sign, send the money and delete your account. For no reason. You are insulting yourself with your attitude to this.

We are now not getting any step forward. I find your refuse of sending me the money as a scam. With the agreement of MonkeyIsland, I'll make this public soon in the cup topic."


TheKomodo: Don't worry, I'll do it for you."


TheKomodo's reason of not registering on the platform, according to his replies, is his egocentrism. He feels being hurt when someone tries to make him to do something. This is proved by him saying he didn't care about safety of the platform. This is irrational and not the right way to discuss anything.

@Xrayez, what laws you refer to? The sanctions are for companies and certain people state-related. They do not forbid ordinary persons, individuals, make international bank transactions between each other. Do you really suppose there are risks? There is actually a risk for me to sell money to other "unfriendly" countries, because my country's current laws are very repressive. Also, do you think I'm the one misbehavioring here? I refer to initial cup rules and explaining what it all means. What I get back is emotional something based on personal complexes. This is the reason I decided to make it public.

Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #99 on: May 27, 2023, 05:11 PM »
TheKomodo's reason of not registering on the platform, according to his replies, is his egocentrism. He feels being hurt when someone tries to make him to do something. This is proved by him saying he didn't care about safety of the platform.

My reason of not registering on the platform is simple, because I choose not to and that's all you need to know, I don't even need a reason, though my actual reason is personal and none of your business.

You have never treated me as a friend with respect, you complain and act selfishly, so there is absolutely no chance on Earth I would take extra steps for you out of the kindness of my heart when you never show others the same courtesy.

You are incredibly selfish trying to coax someone to go extra steps for you because you didn't understand that PayPal means PayPal and not a 3rd party website.

Quite simply, it's your own fault. Let this be a lesson to you in future.

This is irrational and not the right way to discuss anything.

Based on your actions related to attempting to coax me into signing up to a 3rd party website. I don't think you have the slightest understanding of what "irrational" even means.



Edit - I will give you 1 year to accept the £20 with the methods I wrote in the description and first post of this Cup thread. After that, I'll just donate it to TUS in your name if I remember lol.


« Last Edit: May 27, 2023, 05:16 PM by TheKomodo »

Offline Xrayez

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #100 on: May 27, 2023, 05:24 PM »
TheKomodo's reason of not registering on the platform, according to his replies, is his egocentrism. He feels being hurt when someone tries to make him to do something. This is proved by him saying he didn't care about safety of the platform. This is irrational and not the right way to discuss anything.

@Xrayez, what laws you refer to? The sanctions are for companies and certain people state-related. They do not forbid ordinary persons, individuals, make international bank transactions between each other. Do you really suppose there are risks? There are actually a risk for me to sell money to other "unfriendly" countries, because my country's current laws are very repressive. Also, do you think I'm the one misbehavioring here? I refer to initial cup rules and explaining what it all means. What I get back is emotional something based on personal complexes. This is the reason I decided to make it public.

First, as others explained, using a proxy to receive the prize was not covered in the cup's description, so this is non-negotiable. Period.

Second, considering that international sport events ban country aggressors worldwide, like UEFA, you should be thankful to participate in this cup in the first place.

Taking into account above, what you said about alleged Komito's egocentrism... In Discord, you publicly said that you play for yourself. Who's an egoist here? :D

You said that you have very repressive laws in your country... Be reasonable and donate to a righteous cause to help the civilized world to eliminate the repressive regime, invest in your future. :P

Offline vesuvio

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #101 on: May 27, 2023, 05:33 PM »
guys just RELAX
« Last Edit: May 27, 2023, 05:39 PM by vesuvio »

Offline Zwitter

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #102 on: May 27, 2023, 07:26 PM »
@TheKomodo

Personal reasons should not affect the decisions you make. This is incorrect and unprofessional. In modern world it's not how management works. If you take responsibility on something associated with money, you have to think about potential consequences and risks. It would be fine if sanctioned countries were banned from the rewards, but since it's not stated, we work with what he got. It's not selfish, it's what I have the right for with your rules. You say I don't understand what "PayPal" means. You say the only actual word. And in your universe it means more than the definition. I am acting in position of legacy only.

You may have the personal things to me. But don't you think I don't have the same? Do you think you are a soft kitty and must be respected for a priori? What did you for me to be treated as a friend? I personally made concessions for you accepting your movings of the match dates in this cup. I did not complain about improper maps you picked for my opponents, which increased the luck factor (if you don't realize the bad map complaint point). You keep the incorrect communication, insulting me.


@Xrayez

If it's not covered, it means it's allowed until it's forbidden. That's how laws/rules work.

TheKomodo is not an legal entity/organization/company. It's incorrect to compare.

Talking about playing for myself, I only meant playing under neutral flag.

As I said before, I have serious risks now donating from myself.

Offline TheKaren

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #103 on: May 27, 2023, 07:48 PM »
Zwitter - Why do you believe you deserve special treatment?

Offline Xrayez

Re: Cup #1188, Academy of Artillery #1
« Reply #104 on: May 27, 2023, 07:50 PM »
If it's not covered, it means it's allowed until it's forbidden. That's how laws/rules work.

TheKomodo is not an legal entity/organization/company. It's incorrect to compare.

You're trying to find a loophole which doesn't exist. :-[

Komito is a citizen of a civilized democratic country which condemns your country's military aggression. This is his money and he has the right to process his money in the way he wants.

By the way, I cannot even access the website you linked, you can figure out why.

Talking about playing for myself, I only meant playing under neutral flag.

As I said before, I have serious risks now donating from myself.

You don't have to reveal your identity in any way. That's the point: you could just privately ask Komito to donate the prize to any organization. You have absolutely no risk donating this way.