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Title: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on April 29, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jeez, I can't leave you guys alone for a couple of days...

OK, so a couple of weeks ago, I decided to give Asbest another chance.
Reason being that during the WO editions when things turned to shit, Asbest was impersonated by someone during a tournament, in which the alias insulted people. At that time, there was no reason for Asbest to act the way he's been acting recently. The community at large targetted him and we all know what happened.

As much as Asbest has caused his own downfall, I didn't think he got a fair chance.
Or as Husk wisely put it (you don't have to take my word for it, after all):
it looks to me like some of the people accusing asbest of insulting are doing the same thing x10 xD

Asbest said he would ignore them from now. So I told Asbest - if people are provoking you, let me know and I will act accordingly - as long as he ignores provocation.

As we've clearly seen - he did not ignore provocation. And people didn't stop provocating him. Clearly, Asbest's behaviour was bad, but so was that of other people, who continued to target Asbest.
This includes shoutbox, threads and signatures.

Asbest has shown he does not want to listen to me or anyone else, so Asbest is now banned. He will not be returning to TUS.

Clearly, some people couldn't help themselves to go after Asbest, so these people are now muted.
One of the things were "ban asbest" threads. I'm not going to repeat myself: "ban [...]" threads are not going to make any difference when it comes to our decisions on banning someone.
Asbest's requests have not made any influence on this decision to mute people - they earned that entirely on their own.
People's requests have not made any influence on the decision to ban Asbest - he earned that entirely on his own.

I don't want to see any more of this shit. If you don't like someone, there's a perfectly functioning ignore function on the site: https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/YourAccountName/lists/?sa=ignore
You don't have to talk to them, there are plenty of other people around.
"They started" is not a valid reason, or there would be plenty of people that would get flamed by me or MI - and you'll find it difficult to find a flamewar by either of us.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: HHC on April 29, 2014, 10:52 PM
Thank you  :)

Had to fight the urge to make a BAN ASBEST NOW GDDMNT thread myself and I can completely understand those who did. TUS was total crap the last week cause of this guy, he really ruined the TUS experience for me when he was here. I surely won't miss him.

I hope the guys that got muted will return soon. Miss 'em already  :(

p.s. I kinda feel that there should be a way to make a general petition to ban someone for the future. Sbaffo's thread was much needed when TUS mods weren't acting/didn't want to act.
I thought the poll result would turn out much worse for Asbest, but a lot of guys still voted to keep him in. Think it was a good way to show how sentiments were.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on April 29, 2014, 10:53 PM
To give you an example of the amount of time this debacle has cost me (along with the 3 hours it cost me to check all the Asbest-related posts and PMs and shoutbox comments and skype messages):
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Moderators do their work because they love the game. We don't need your thanks or adoration or whatnot. We didn't volunteer to this work for any of that.

Personally, I spend a lot of time at work and see enough actual drama there. I don't mind spending time on TUS related work (mostly cups right now) but I don't like having to spend my free time on fake drama that people start because they are bored. If you have any respect for the work moderators do on TUS, it's a very poor way to show that by starting crap like this.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on April 29, 2014, 10:55 PM
p.s. I kinda feel that there should be a way to make a general petition to ban someone for the future. Sbaffo's thread was much needed when TUS mods weren't acting/didn't want to act.

Did you look at what people were posting about Asbest? I honestly couldn't tell the difference at times. And it's real brave too, to flame one guy as a group.
There were a couple of people that Asbest had problems with. Did he insult you, HHC? Nope. Because you left him alone.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: HHC on April 29, 2014, 10:56 PM
Totally understand you're pissed D1, but hmmm. Most of the stuff there is by Asbest or in response to Asbest behaviour. Shame you were away that long, a lot of sh*t could have been prevented banning him after the very first day when he was still spamming that corset shit.

It's a lot of drama... but really only cause of one fellow.

It'll be quiet now  :-[

@previous msg:
He was asking for it though. He was trolling for the sake of trolling. If 30 or more people tell you to stfu and stop the spam and you choose to ignore it and go on with your drivel (that imo was intended to just piss people off) you totally deserve being 'picked on'.

I had probs with Asbest too, but longer ago. Was about a game, got quite some good insults back then  ;)
Kept quiet this time cause there was enough drama already, and I kept nicely to the rule of not asking you guys to ban his ass. But ae, I sure as hell am glad he's no longer here.

@message below:
Husk never intends to piss people off. And his spam is mostly funny  ;D
When he posts it shows through he's a good guy with a kind heart.
Surely noone hates him.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on April 29, 2014, 10:59 PM
3 to 4 days is really not that long :)

People were complaining about the spam, but the spam wouldn't have bothered them if it was Husk posting the corset thread. They were already angry when they saw Asbest posted something.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: LeTotalKiller on April 29, 2014, 11:17 PM
I can't say spamming the shoutbox with GIFs every minute was a glorious way to say "hi again, guys" without triggering some anger.

Well to be fair, I'm glad this is over; I'm glad I can again play and host tournaments or challenges again without having to cope with his (seemingly done on purpose) misunderstandings of rules/questions, as well as the time waste he ends up costing. Sorry for being so negative about him, but those reasons clearly aren't worth hugging him.

Oh, and sorry for the extra work I might have cost answering him (I couldn't help reacting to widespread piracy).
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ZexorZ on April 29, 2014, 11:55 PM
DarkOne for president!!! \O/ (sry xD)
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: TheWalrus on April 30, 2014, 03:08 AM
Holy hell all those messages from asbest
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on April 30, 2014, 06:43 AM
I personally don't like these kind of people, (Asbest is unique btw) neither me that I like having hot discussions xD

A permanent ban was not necessary in my opinion since you wanted to give him this second chance. It was better to mute him earlier, not after 2 weeks of this, and try "to fix" him. We don't need to lose an active member "forever", just give him some slaps when he deserves. And he was deserving, but I guess after 2 hours he was back.

And I don't think it's fair to have muted Sbaffo, I don't know about Dragon, it was a really long discussion, I didn't read it xD.

Btw, GJ in standing all of those messages. In your position I would have muted 10 people auhauh bravo.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Aerox on April 30, 2014, 07:48 AM
HHC, you're in no position to be able to claim who started what (was it a comment in #AG? was it a particular team name in a game? Was it the seed his father plante...). You only have opinions, and since you're already missing your friends let me adventure and say you're totally BIASED.

Sure you could argue a point that goes a long way at demostrating that Asbest is, in fact, the epicenter of all this drama. But how about you stop acting like a baby kid? Sorry, let me put this in a more educated manner... oh, I don't have to:

Quote from: DarkOne
"They started" is not a valid reason

It doesn't matter at all if you could potentially prove beyond all reasonable doubt that Asbest is the exclusive cause of all drama (hint: you can't) because if said drama has helped surface the real colors of some individuals or provoked them to step out of the line they equally deserve what has come to them.

Sure your friends are nice most of the time and you think Asbest isn't. Plenty of people in death row for a one time life mistake, it's not a valid excuse. And Asbest has been nothing but nice to me, personally, we even played haxball. It doesn't scape me what kind of person he is, though, yet to surface into the world.

And sure banning Asbest sooner would have prevented all this, but so would have banning those who danced with him, even though they didn't start no drama, they're still reacting wrongly to it. We should give no importance to whoever threw the first punch  if it ends in a cat fight.

I'm actually happy, there's too much fake poltiness in this community (corny as fuck) but very little anger management.

I know plenty of people here that like to pose as Ghandi but would act as the biggest man babies if you manage to drop them to personal level (not a big task either, mind). You're clearly not one of those people HHC, but I also don't buy you don't have them plenty identified, even amongst those you enjoy playing with.



Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Kangaroo on April 30, 2014, 08:14 AM
`BIG` Bundy is Gay
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Crazy on April 30, 2014, 08:46 AM
Kids ruining a game made for kids, played by adults
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: van on April 30, 2014, 09:11 AM
Does this really need a sticky in announcements?
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on April 30, 2014, 09:36 AM
buiiiiiii
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on April 30, 2014, 10:38 AM
LTK: no worries, you probably saved me some extra work instead :)

Wally: you haven't even seen the additional IMs, both here and on Skype (from other people as well). But I figured the image says more than 1000 words :)

ANO: Initially, I had only muted Asbest, along with a couple of others that I felt played as much a role as Asbest. Sbaffo was a doubt case, but his thread about Asbest made me decide about it, since he helped derail things with it despite the announcement.
I had a little chat with Asbest afterwards, but he has shown he had no intention to listen to anything I had to say to him despite the favours I did him. He broke his promise in return to those favours several times in his anger, therefore, I felt no reason to keep him around.

Ropa: you forgot to mention that...
I disagree with what you said about...
You should have used different words to talk about...




I got nothing :) +1 from me.

Van: it's not a sticky. Considering the way things got out hand: yes, this required an announcement.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: TheWalrus on April 30, 2014, 11:13 AM
`BIG` Bundy is Gay
Fuckin pizzasheet is high again
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Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Peja on April 30, 2014, 10:56 PM
dunno whats more pathetic, to ban donald sterling or to ban asbest.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 01, 2014, 06:01 AM
Muting you? :P
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Statik on May 02, 2014, 05:51 PM
I think you should remove this announcement from the main page, it doesn't belong there...
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Husk on May 02, 2014, 06:07 PM
I think this is great as announcement xD any1 trying to find any info about worms, ofc wants to know about asbest!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: HHC on May 02, 2014, 07:01 PM
Don't think they will be searching on 'worms'... 'corset' is more plausible.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 02, 2014, 07:24 PM
put the corset stuff on the announcement and Asbest's death will have sense, he will be proud!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: avirex on May 04, 2014, 01:54 AM
im sure making his ban an "announcement" was pleasurable enough for him, he feeds off the attention.. im sure its killing him that he is not able to post here though...

**waves to asbest**

i dont agree with sbaffo's ban either, he simply made the post that majority of people were thinking. but, regardless if you have a second thought about your decision of banning baffo, i doubt you will undo his mute. Too much pride.

i know there is a special rule to not make "ban *insert name here*" threads, but i think with asbest there should have been an exception.

I also agree with ANO, i dont think ASbest should be banned for ever, he is an active player, and the community needs that... maybe in 2 months you guys can give him another chance, with zero tolerance....

Darkone, you say that others provoked him, but im not sure thats the case.. if Asbest came back to TUS, and casually made his presents known, with very little posting, shoutbox comments, and more league games played... i think people could have slowly but surely accepted him...

instead he came here, and wanted EVERYONE to know he was here, there was no time anyone could come to TUS, without seeing the shoutbox filled, with 90% Asbest comments, and at least 3 new threads started, and a post in every other thread.... it was just too much, too quick... not to mention his constant shit talk in #AG under whispers, as if he was slick.

Maybe you guys will decide to give him another chance, maybe not... but if you do, maybe he will approach his return a little differently the next time.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Ryan on May 04, 2014, 08:09 AM
That's the thing Avi.
I agree with you, minus the prediction on how he would behave.
It is a shame, I have played him a couple of times with no problem but he acts like a complete tool here, and has done consistently.
If he becomes unbanned I would leave the cursor over the 'ban' button, waiting for the inevitable.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: SPW on May 04, 2014, 09:21 AM
Set a limit to public area posts. For example, default user are able to post 10 times / day, forums or shoutbox and open 1 new thread / day. Also limit size for pictures in the shoutbox and for signatures by x kb and not possible to make any double posts in shoutbox or forums (there you can edit).

People must learn to think before posting. Or at least to read it twice.

If someone got a warn, he can only make half the amounts of a default user. And next step will be the mute.

Dont know if its possible technical. But this would help in gernerally.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Ryan on May 04, 2014, 09:48 AM
It is amazing that these measures would need to be taken.
Any human that wants/needs to spam a shoutbox shouldn't be here. I don't know what goes through someone's head then they post garbage like that.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Csongi on May 04, 2014, 10:51 AM
I don't know what goes through someone's head then they post garbage like that.

(http://www.phils-fitness.com/wp-content/uploads/Alcohol.jpg)

xd
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Ryan on May 04, 2014, 10:54 AM
Damn, 100% true
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Husk on May 04, 2014, 11:31 AM
well for me it's mostly just checking who gets annoyed / loses their shit

I can just imagine them reading a worms forum with curtains closed while sun is shining outside, and getting angry from a spam xD really makes my day
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 04, 2014, 01:16 PM
i dont agree with sbaffo's ban either, he simply made the post that majority of people were thinking. but, regardless if you have a second thought about your decision of banning baffo, i doubt you will undo his mute. Too much pride.

Sbaffo doesn't like my decision, but he does accept my decision. At any rate, it's not a ban, since he can still play TUS and it's a temporary one. I have already explained why, but I doubt you will listen. Too much pride ;)

i know there is a special rule to not make "ban *insert name here*" threads, but i think with asbest there should have been an exception.

Thing is - Asbest isn't the only guilty one here. Some people just couldn't leave Asbest alone. The "ban him" thread gave people yet another excuse to start shit. The whole point of this thread is to prove that point. Apparently, you have not understood.

I also agree with ANO, i dont think ASbest should be banned for ever, he is an active player, and the community needs that... maybe in 2 months you guys can give him another chance, with zero tolerance....

When I asked MI to unban Asbest, he gave me his word he would ignore provocation, and clearly, he hasn't. So I muted him, along with the others.
When I talked to him (because he was harrassing Dragon, even after the mute, on AG) he refused to listen to me. Made it very plain he didn't care about being banned from TUS (his literal words btw), which he seems to regret after he actually got banned.
He's been trying to get himself unbanned, but clearly, I can't believe him on his word to me. He'll have to prove himself before I will even consider asking MI to unban him. There might be something of note going on this summer to assist in that matter :) Could be wrong, though.

Darkone, you say that others provoked him, but im not sure thats the case.. if Asbest came back to TUS, and casually made his presents known, with very little posting, shoutbox comments, and more league games played... i think people could have slowly but surely accepted him...

Sure, he spammed. Were any of his earlier posts hostile, though? Besides, clearly some people enjoyed his posts, because they wasted no time making fun of Asbest.

instead he came here, and wanted EVERYONE to know he was here, there was no time anyone could come to TUS, without seeing the shoutbox filled, with 90% Asbest comments, and at least 3 new threads started, and a post in every other thread.... it was just too much, too quick... not to mention his constant shit talk in #AG under whispers, as if he was slick.

Asbest had been banned for quite a long time. Of course he was happy to be back. How was your mood when you got out? Surely, you celebrated?

Maybe you guys will decide to give him another chance, maybe not... but if you do, maybe he will approach his return a little differently the next time.

See comments made above.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 04, 2014, 05:43 PM
gj Avi.

What I say is this:

If you wanted to bring that idiot back, you should have used the "muted tool" before he started to act like an annoying idiot and try to educate him, because he's not  clearly a trained dog. If bringing him back was really your objective, you should have muted him every time he was acting bad or "too much". We told you he was not changed, if you wanted him back, you should have trained him, with biscuits and mutedS!

To ban him already has made your action to bring him back completely useless. What were you aspecting from him? A good and educate and gentle kid? Cmon... you are intelligent and smart...
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 04, 2014, 06:12 PM
I have already answered your questions/assertions several times in this thread. I could repeat the point I was making, but if you don't read them, there's little point.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 04, 2014, 07:25 PM
You don't get mine neither. Anyway, I don't miss him.

GG
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 04, 2014, 10:14 PM
if you wanted him back, you should have trained him, with biscuits and mutedS!

That was your point.

Did that work on you? ::) Not to my knowledge. If it didn't work on you, why do you think it's a valid point?
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 04, 2014, 10:17 PM
make me mod only for him, I will train the kid.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 04, 2014, 10:24 PM
Go, train him now in AG! Considering your warning history here, you'll need at least 6 attempts :P
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Dragon on May 21, 2014, 07:21 PM
I doubt he needs any training, he won't change.
This picture is from yesterday.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/11uyutk.jpg)

A bonus : He lied to Nullum that he is me, so I got removed from sW, seems like Nullum is not smart enough to make
difference between someone who can speak engilish correctly, and who is not.
I didn't like sW anyway so whatever ~

Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: KinslayeR on May 21, 2014, 07:24 PM
ban this topic, + ban everyone who start post here again, asbest is not good for health!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Sbaffo on May 21, 2014, 07:25 PM
ban this topic, + ban everyone who start post here again, asbest is not good for health!


kins for president!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 21, 2014, 07:43 PM
I doubt he needs any training, he won't change.
This picture is from yesterday.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/11uyutk.jpg)

A bonus : He lied to Nullum that he is me, so I got removed from sW, seems like Nullum is not smart enough to make
difference between someone who can speak engilish correctly, and who is not.
I didn't like sW anyway so whatever ~

On one or two things Asbest was right about you  ;D
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Dragon on May 21, 2014, 07:49 PM
On one or two things Asbest was right about you  ;D

Actually 3, he wrote "hungarian" 3 times.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 21, 2014, 08:25 PM
Your reporting Asbest's stuff is quite pathetic Dragon. Asbest cannot answer here, I feel to agree with Asbest :)
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: philie on May 21, 2014, 08:33 PM
sit straight!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Dragon on May 21, 2014, 09:05 PM
Your reporting Asbest's stuff is quite pathetic Dragon. Asbest cannot answer here, I feel to agree with Asbest :)

I believe that you're trying to insult / confront me is more pathetic, then showing a picture of Asbest's behavior.
I might be wrong of course, but hey, you're ANO, you must make some fights before you can sleep.
The fact that Asbest cannot answer, is totally not my fault, he were the one who kept provokating me and the rest of the members. :)
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 21, 2014, 09:31 PM
I am trying to open your eyes and showing you that you shouldn't talk about people who are not present.

BTW, I don't think we know each other, you have no idea about what I need before to sleep :)

I am just saying that reporting what Asbest is saying to you now, NOW, it doesn't make any sense and it's quite pathetic. Asbest cannot answer, because he's banned ... And we should not talk about people who cannot defend themselves, I can't believe nobody taught this before. It had sense 1 month ago, not now.

And by the way, what happens in AG, stay in Ag; and I don't see the point of your message.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 21, 2014, 09:56 PM
Asbest cannot answer, because he's banned ... And we should not talk about people who cannot defend themselves, I can't believe nobody taught this before. It had sense 1 month ago, not now.

I have nothing to add to that except +1
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Husk on May 22, 2014, 01:56 AM
true, well put ano
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: Dragon on May 22, 2014, 03:15 AM
I am trying to open your eyes and showing you that you shouldn't talk about people who are not present.

BTW, I don't think we know each other, you have no idea about what I need before to sleep :)

I am just saying that reporting what Asbest is saying to you now, NOW, it doesn't make any sense and it's quite pathetic. Asbest cannot answer, because he's banned ... And we should not talk about people who cannot defend themselves, I can't believe nobody taught this before. It had sense 1 month ago, not now.

And by the way, what happens in AG, stay in Ag; and I don't see the point of your message.

First of all, I did not mean to hurt Asbest's feelings, I just simply made it clear that Asbest is NOT and Won't be ready to come back here, because he surely has nothing better to do then keep insulting others.

You attacked me for simply posting a picture and stating my opinion, I can't see your rank or anything which gives you rights to conflict someone because you're bored.

Asbest cursing everyone in public, accusing others, Lying to moderators, spamming the
forum AND the shoutbox, reporting fake games, and nobody gives a fuck, and when I defend myself I get banned?

I had no choice to state my opinion, which I only done with showing a picture, and then you answered with Asbest was right about me?
Seems legit.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: van on May 22, 2014, 09:59 AM
ANO's rhetoric might not be of the best kind but his point is valid.
Asbest is gone and no one here cares about him anymore. Bumping this thread with stuff like that is just straight-up immature. That's why the community's reaction backfired.

My vote is: lock this thread and remove the goddamn announcement from the homepage already!
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: TheWalrus on May 22, 2014, 10:04 AM
ANO's rhetoric might not be of the best kind but his point is valid.
Asbest is gone and no one here cares about him anymore. Bumping this thread with stuff like that is just straight-up immature. That's why the community's reaction backfired.

My vote is: lock this thread and remove the goddamn announcement from the homepage already!
Van for president.

It must hurt being so on point all the time.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: DarkOne on May 22, 2014, 10:55 AM
My vote is: lock this thread and remove the goddamn announcement from the homepage already!

I don't know about that. Doesn't the fact that you have to point this out mean that the topic of this announcement is still relevant?
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on May 22, 2014, 05:38 PM
Dragon, you are so boring... uff

Nobody cares if Asbest insults you, actually I will do the same as soon as I will find you in AG :P

He cannot answer here, he is not part of this forum anymore, WHY ARE YOU POSTING ABOUT HIM???? Has that sense??????? I could not agree more with Asbest now.

If somebody who is not part of this forum insults me, I answer to him if I want, if I am in the mood of having fun in answering trolls... Otherwise, fuck that. If you cannot live with someone who insults you, ...  it's your problem.

TO conclude: Rhetoric, Van, in rhetoric cases, is always the point. It's banality for banal people.

End.
See you in ag :)
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: spleen17 on August 24, 2015, 06:47 PM
Asbest has shown he does not want to listen to me or anyone else, so Asbest is now banned. He will not be returning to TUS.


Why has Asbest been unbanned? What has changed here?
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: MonkeyIsland on August 24, 2015, 07:02 PM
He's been unbanned after 15 months, only to play games. He's not allowed to post.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: spleen17 on August 24, 2015, 08:13 PM
Not quite what I asked, but ok.
Title: Re: Regarding Asbest
Post by: ANO on August 24, 2015, 08:39 PM
Not quite what I asked, but ok.

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