We're looking for ways to increase TNL activity.
As you know, TNL must be played with no HP drop at SD. As of today, you can play with normal luckless scheme if you come to an agreement with your opponent.
So still the default scheme is the one with no HP drop, but if you agree you can play with the other scheme.
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 20, 2010, 06:37 PM
We're looking for ways to increase TNL activity.
As you know, TNL must be played with no HP drop at SD. As of today, you can play with normal luckless scheme if you come to an agreement with your opponent.
So still the default scheme is the one with no HP drop, but if you agree you can play with the other scheme.
Indistinct rules sux.
We could increase activity by providing tourneys but not like that.
I'd like to have 4 tourneys per week.
2 tourneys on Saturday and 2 tourneys on Sunday.
We should use free/tnl/classic schemes for tourneys.
All tourney games should be reported at TUS site in the live time (e.g. like in ftm).
All tourney games should be shown in recent total games and ppl should receive points for that games
(scoring should be different from the league scoring).
This would increase activity of FREE league and TNL league.
You should close NNNL to make people play TNL, I fear. People just don't bother to come here when they have their own old and working league.
Maybe, try to make deal with NNN for hosting NNNL here (thus making a rebranding for TNL)? TUS system is so much better than that thing coded by NNN member Kilobyte, so this agreement is possible to reach, imho.
im pretty sure MI offered that to NNN already and they refused(sorry if i remember wrong MI), maybe some inter players can help convince them, i think it would bring the community together alot more
I just can't see reasons why not. League system can be tweaked in any way they would like (I think it's not a problem), their mods will have full rights for modding here and banning players, etc, etc.
This is part of Dario's answer when like 1 year ago I asked Dario about it:
Quote from: Dario
I feel really flattered by your offer but I think the other clan members wouldn't like our league (that has been a very important part of our clan) being absorbed by another league, specially Kilobyte who has put so much effort on coding our site.
I'm trying to give TNL more activity, not trying to take NNNL place. (if that's making some uncomfortable)
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 21, 2010, 05:50 AMI'm trying to give TNL more activity, not trying to take NNNL place. (if that's making some uncomfortable)
Auditory of TNL consists of normallers, right? Because generic TUS members, having their attention shifted to rope games, won't care a lot about playing TNL, it's just not funny for them. But, why would normaller come to TNL when there is the league everybody of potentional opponents plays in?
Dario has gone. Also, some of NNN members aren't really satisfied with their league system.
Quote from: TenoriTaiga on January 21, 2010, 01:04 PM
Dario has gone. Also, some of NNN members aren't really satisfied with their league system.
Are you suggesting something?
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 21, 2010, 01:30 PMAre you suggesting something?
I dunno, really. Of course, nobody will agree to make NNNL consumed by TUS and its TNL. But if this will be presented as aid with hosting, completely saving NNNL structure and name, who knows?
Quote from: TenoriTaiga on January 21, 2010, 01:04 PM
Dario has gone. Also, some of NNN members aren't really satisfied with their league system.
Everyone stop playing somday, its normal.
Quote from: TenoriTaiga on January 21, 2010, 01:04 PM
Also, some of NNN members aren't really satisfied with their league system.
:-X who? Let me quess Jakka? :D
as an ex NNN member U should knew..... in our clan everyone can say what he want(FREE SPEECH:) )! Especially if he have good ideas...
if U care about ONL, pls tell us what's wrong with our league system:)
PR very good idea, especially since FTM is dead.
btw TT pls play your ONL 2009 play off game, U are last who didnt play. SerGANT told me he asked U many times... thats why he will get free win if U wont play tomorrow.
http://www.kb.sinpiso.com/competitions.php?Yoffset=0&cType=5
Sorry for writing about it here but he dont visist NNN forum:)
Quote from: Koras on January 23, 2010, 10:16 PM
if U care about ONL, pls tell us what's wrong with our league system:)
It is
very inconvenient to use. Look how the reporting thing is made here on TUS. Also, it lacks cool player stats, is built with frames, thus making navigation retarded, etc, etc. I have no mean to offend Kilobyte, but it's indeed far from masterpiece.
well, neither the designing nor the ranking system is my brainchild. The site used to be like this, before once it went down. The client was very similar, although it was an external .exe program. It was build from scratch, and I tried it to make a very similar one.
I confirm that our design is very simple, sure enough, TUS desing would overwhelm that, though I dont understand why this frame splitting would spoil it - you always reach the main menus.
Of course, no offends mate, everybody has got his own opinion ;) When our community wants something new, I will be here.
Oh, Kilo, nice to have you reading this. I'll PM you at NNN forums, cos this thread is not right place for discussing NNNL goodies, lol.
Assuming that "not all NNN members are satisfied with the current system" is absolut bullshit. Which person you mean? It just can be Jakka and shall I say you what?? I even wouldnt consider him as clan member anymore.
I dont see any advantage for our ONL community to cooperate with TNL. Can you tell me one? More players? I dont think so.
@ TT: Why you have absolved 193 Intermediate rounds at our league when you dislike our league system? Exactly, because the design doesnt matter anything at a league... the quality of opponents does.
I wont play in a league system, where a poll is running with the question about the player crash, if he can be a mod or not. Just lol.
I wish you good luck with increasing tnl's activity. No need to wish us bad luck for our league.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PMWhy you have absolved 193 Intermediate rounds at our league when you dislike our league system?
You have another active normal league with skilled opponents in mind?
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PMI dont see any advantage for our ONL community to cooperate with TNL. Can you tell me one?
Learn to read.
Also,
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PMI wont play in a league system, where a poll is running with the question about the player crash, if he can be a mod or not.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PMNo need to wish us bad luck for our league.
try to think sometimes, lol.
You should be thankful for receiving a reply to your nonsence trolling post.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
Assuming that "not all NNN members are satisfied with the current system" is absolut bullshit. Which person you mean?
ask everyone and then speak.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
It just can be Jakka and shall I say you what?? I even wouldnt consider him as clan member anymore.
how come did these words come from you? After victory vs Fad? Wanna start the flame instead of talking about the topic theme?
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
I dont see any advantage for our ONL community to cooperate with TNL. Can you tell me one? More players? I dont think so.
Yes, i can. Is this a point "more players"? For cooperation.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
@ TT: Why you have absolved 193 Intermediate rounds at our league when you dislike our league system? Exactly, because the design doesnt matter anything at a league... the quality of opponents does.
What's your quality, Aryan?
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
I wont play in a league system, where a poll is running with the question about the player crash, if he can be a mod or not. Just lol.
just lol u who took it serious.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
I wish you good luck with increasing tnl's activity. No need to wish us bad luck for our league.
bl, Joschi. :)
Hihi, what kind of discussion is running here?! I post something and you (it seems you are twillings) split my post in ten quotes, so you dont have to bring arguments. Sorry, but this kind of discussion is new for me. So I just pick up two single questions from your side, pr. (Sorry TT, you didnt delievered me one single point to answer.)
1. The reasons why I consider Jakka as ex-NNN member doesnt matter to the topic theme. I couldnt knew that I start flames touching this case, could I? Nice that you have answered my question, who the unsatisfied NNN member is, with a contraquestion, though it wasnt directed to you.
2. If you meant that "more players" could be a reason for us to join TUS system, I would deny that. I dont have the feeling we've got too less players, in contrary, we got slowly too much to keep up a good atmospehre. But I dont estimate that you will understand that.
Well, at the end you have confirmed my point of view. Thanks therefor. I hope you didnt had too much work answering my post in one-liners.
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The question is, does Intermediate and Roper schemes fit together? I would deny that (only exception is Mablak ;D ) and that could be the only reason for a cooperation. We have got a strong only-Intermediate community, which participants arent interested in playing rope games. Thats a fact. In contrary its the same. So why you want to conduct both sides together? Where are the advantages of just one running league? In my opinion some kind of challenge is always good for buisness ;-)
To be honest, I also didnt understand the reasons of creating an own Intermediate league, called TNL, let running on this site. I dont know TNL's stats, but as you said in first post, activity isnt really high. The two reasons are, 1. there is already a well running league and 2. the interest of ropers community in one-scheme-only league is too less.
Well, you brought me to an idea, we could let run a poll asking about OnL participants satisfaction with our current league.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 11:22 PM
The question is, does Intermediate and Roper schemes fit together?
Brilliant example when one of the sides doesn't even know what is the discussion about but starts flaming anyway.
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Brilliant example when one of the sides doesn't even know what a rhetorical question is. Nevermind, I hoped you would stop reading above the coat, because everything down the coat was "discussion-like", a way to discuss you obviously dont handle.
Joschi:
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Now, now, calm down, kids.
I think the main idea behind getting NNNL hosted at TUS is to get both communities to interact.
When I say interact I don't even mean playing in the same league (after all, as Joschi pointed out: NNNL is working fine as it is), but rather that all players just come to the same place and frequent the same forums.
This would make organising events on W:A much easier and more successful.
Quote from: DarkOne on January 25, 2010, 01:17 AM
Now, now, calm down, kids.
I think the main idea behind getting NNNL hosted at TUS is to get both communities to interact.
When I say interact I don't even mean playing in the same league (after all, as Joschi pointed out: NNNL is working fine as it is), but rather that all players just come to the same place and frequent the same forums.
This would make organising events on W:A much easier and more successful.
true (:
This topic was about TNL and the ways to improve it. I didn't mean to drag NNNs here or offend them in any way. If I did offend, I apologize.
@Joschi,
TT is right, you could at least read, get a little bit familiar about TUS then try to defend NNNL by insulting TUS.
More than a year ago NNNL server was down, that's why I offered Dario to host NNNL on TUS, plus to have a bigger community. I also said in this very topic that I don't mean to take NNNL place.
Quote from: Joschi on January 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
I wont play in a league system, where a poll is running with the question about the player crash, if he can be a mod or not. Just lol.
I don't know you, I don't remember playing 1 single game with you. I don't see you on TUS. Yet you let yourself be sarcastic or insult us?
Don't get me wrong though!! I'm flattered you think of TUS that way. TUS is a pretty big site. As much as something gets big, its reasonable to have more flaws. Out of all possible flaws you could point out, you only could see a poll about Crash. So we've managed to make our flaws that small? Thank you! It was a nice compliment :) I wish next time at least you read the poll discussion before you judge it by its title.
NNNs are known for 'nice grownup people'. At least for me. The way you acted was nowhere near being an NNN. Jakka is a great person and I'm glad I've meet this guy on worms. NNN had kings like misirac. You could just enjoy talking to him. It's really great practice to watch your clan mates or do you call them ex-NNNs?
You can always say what is on your mind nicely. It's a simple pick.
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 25, 2010, 09:02 AM
More than a year ago NNNL server was down, that's why I offered Dario to host NNNL on TUS, plus to have a bigger community. I also said in this very topic that I don't mean to take NNNL place.
Not really, that was march 2009:) when our league was about to finish first successful season. But that's not the point.
In my opinion for now its not necessary.As U said it could help TUS.. but it also could bring some troubles for us.
Anyway I am very happy about your idea... someday NNN league may die(like every wa league). But after all there still will be wa intermediate league:)
Few years ago we were calling noobs and it wasnt possible to play intermediate in any wa/wwp league ;D
btw of course Misrac is NNN member, unfortunately he is not very active now.
Same about Jakka :-[ anyway it's not a place for discussion about inactive NNN....we are pretty 'old' clan that's why we have some problems. Like every WA clan.
I reacted kinda offensive because I had to read following statements and assumptions, by a guy, who offered once his help to the clan and disappeared then for some time: "Dario has gone. Also, some of NNN members aren't really satisfied with their league system." "TUS system is so much better than that thing coded by NNN member Kilobyte" and furthermore he didn't let one good thing at current NNNL.
I m a person who likes to discuss and surely it's not my kind of discussion to start with accusations, but honestly I already had the pleasure with TT and he didn't convinced me with his understatement (irony). Letting you know my story with Jakka wouldn't fit to this theme as well. To Misirac, oh he still play worms, I just noticed him yesterday at WN. But I don't characterize clan members due to their activity score, I characterize them for their attitude.
My comparison with crash was just the peak of my argumentation (no, I didn't read the poll thread) and should let you know the differences between your system and our system. I prefer to keep a small community where everybody knows each other, in the contradiction to your existing TNL system. But this isn't bad or good, just a fact. Sorry for my bad comparison there. Let me say that it shouldn't be meant as an insult.
Great to come to a serious discussion.
Just for your information, it has never been a community in the world of worms I cared more about, than NNN. Yep, that was my big fault because I shouldn't promise when I wasn't sure I'll have resources to finish the work. But I've already apologized for it dozen times, and I can make yet another apology just for you.
Now the fact is I wish people of both communities, TUS and NNNL, to make wise decision and cooperate. Not because I want NNN league to be consumed and become shit, wtf, why? I still care about my old friends, even though you treat me like an asshole. I'm 100% sure that only good things will happen if NNNL will get hosting help from TUS. You guys will still have your small community, nobody asks you to play roper and hysteria, but players who like normal here would to join you, why not? Also, already said about technical part, it's just better and it's obvious.
Nevertheless, to be honest, attitude of NNN has changed since those old days. Nevermind this, I don't expect you to understand this point.
btw I think U should raport all CUP games(of course only inter cups :) ) as a TNL games too. Same with tournaments.... if U going to host some tourneys here.
If league will be more active we can organize game between ONL and TNL winner 8)
btw how long is TNL season? I cant find info about it :-[
here Koras https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/
guys, what do You think about changing "no drop" hp into a "-5 drop each turn"? I'm asking because sometiems 1 skunk do all job and its a gg, practicly very small chances. After SD (especially in caves) -5 hp each turn would give more chances for other player. Thats only my opinion ;)
Quote from: Rafka on January 27, 2010, 10:46 PM
guys, what do You think about changing "no drop" hp into a "-5 drop each turn"? I'm asking because sometiems 1 skunk do all job and its a gg, practicly very small chances. After SD (especially in caves) -5 hp each turn would give more chances for other player. Thats only my opinion ;)
If you understand you right, yo want TUS league to change W:A game engine?
He meant SD. Right now there is only water rise effect and he wants poison too, like in t17.
Quote from: lacoste on January 28, 2010, 03:35 PM
He meant SD. Right now there is only water rise effect and he wants poison too, like in t17.
Right :-[, thx.