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First off, I apologize for my delay. I was in process of changing ISP and couldn't be much active on the forums.

I've reviewed the very famous game of SnipeR and Random00 up and down, also I've installed this script and used it myself.
This script forces the game to accept a rope shot, even though the space bar is already down. On a normal remap, no matter how many spaces you make on your keyboard, when one of the spaces is down, others won't work. But using this script, when one space is down, other spaces can interfere.
So in other way, this script won't do anything for people who rope with 1 finger, but it is a huge shortcut to achieve finger rolling.

This is actually violating one of the game concepts. W:A is programmed to detect "when" you are releasing a key. With this script you are sending multiple shots of the same key, even though the previous shot are not released yet (each new key-press un-releases the previous one even though you are still holding it down). No advanced/modern/super-cool/gaming keyboard would do this for you, because a key getting held down is not only one of gaming event but also a computer programing concept and it's unlikely a company would make a keyboard to violate this.

Games on TUS which get detected to use this script will be void and the player will get a full ban (forums and games) for minimum 2 weeks (starting).
Unfortunately this script is available to download in a few wa-related sites and it has made confusions for quite some time now. Some people miss-think this script is fixing their keyboard hardware issue or something similar. Because of these confusions, we'll be voiding games using this script without any punishment for the next 10 days. Please refer people who you know using this script to this thread.

How are you planning to detect users of this script from clever finger rollers who slow down there finger roll and do not make it obvious?

So it applies only to the posted script or any AutoHotKey "script"? Simple remap can be hardly considiered as a script. Also key remaps can be done with different programs (one can even write it by himself). That's why I feel this discussion will take next 50 pages ::)

Theres not only fast tapping related macro problem, any macros should be considered as a cheat, except maybe remapping keys, imo.

A simple remap is OK. I said what that script does exactly and why it is considered as cheat. Key remaps won't go in that category :)

Why not ban all programs and all remaps and all scripts? Would that not make detection easier? I really don't know how you are going to detect this.

GJ MI !! I was waiting for that......


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Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 16, 2011, 10:36 AM
Why not ban all programs and all remaps and all scripts? Would that not make detection easier? I really don't know how you are going to detect this.

That would screw me over because I actually need to remap my space bar to another key to avoid keylock on this keyboard.

:<

Quote from: Statik on June 16, 2011, 10:32 AM
So it applies only to the posted script or any AutoHotKey "script"? Simple remap can be hardly considiered as a script. Also key remaps can be done with different programs (one can even write it by himself). That's why I feel this discussion will take next 50 pages ::)

lol u didn't read MI's first post ae xD

Quote from: Husk on June 16, 2011, 10:55 AM

Quote from: Statik on June 16, 2011, 10:32 AM
So it applies only to the posted script or any AutoHotKey "script"? Simple remap can be hardly considiered as a script. Also key remaps can be done with different programs (one can even write it by himself). That's why I feel this discussion will take next 50 pages ::)

lol u didn't read MI's first post ae xD

I did, but the topic name is "Using AutoHotKey is considered as a cheat", and it confused me and maybe scared many people there when they have read it ;D.

Quote from: Chelsea on June 16, 2011, 10:46 AM
GJ MI !! I was waiting for that......


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>>> Bl Chelsea long were you in this?

Quote from: Statik on June 16, 2011, 11:07 AM

Quote from: Husk on June 16, 2011, 10:55 AM

Quote from: Statik on June 16, 2011, 10:32 AM
So it applies only to the posted script or any AutoHotKey "script"? Simple remap can be hardly considiered as a script. Also key remaps can be done with different programs (one can even write it by himself). That's why I feel this discussion will take next 50 pages ::)

lol u didn't read MI's first post ae xD

I did, but the topic name is "Using AutoHotKey is considered as a cheat", and it confused me and maybe scared many people there when they have read it ;D.

fair enough [:<

Bl Sniper. You will no win anymore

Quote from: Throsti on June 16, 2011, 11:24 AM
Bl Sniper. You will no win anymore

Why? He has rope skills, He just wont be able to tap as fast. He can use 1 finger and still be good or try to fr.

I feel for all the people with key lock and bad spaces and the people that need to use 2 spaces in order to get fast taps but the best way for a even playing field and no cheating and scripts is to outlaw all programs scripts macros etc

I dont know how else you will detect this

Quote from: Cueshark on June 16, 2011, 10:52 AMThat would screw me over because I actually need to remap my space bar to another key to avoid keylock on this keyboard.

A great timing is the solution.

Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 16, 2011, 11:30 AM

Quote from: Throsti on June 16, 2011, 11:24 AM
Bl Sniper. You will no win anymore

Why? He has rope skills, He just wont be able to tap as fast. He can use 1 finger and still be good or try to fr.

I feel for all the people with key lock and bad spaces and the people that need to use 2 spaces in order to get fast taps but the best way for a even playing field and no cheating and scripts is to outlaw all programs scripts macros etc

I dont know how else you will detect this

So you assume everyone with fast taps has to use 2 space bars or remapped his keys? That's a little bit over the top. ;)

For me this sounds like the ancient witch hunt, someone looked suspicious, let's burn him!

But just like you said, you won't be able to detect who is using remapped keys, the said autohotkey script or 2 space bars or whatever. Why? Simply because you don't have a camera installed in his/her room to see it, and I don't know how Cybershadow would be allowed to install a RAM scanning program into the W:A client. Because as of now we don't have a terms of use accepted that allows T17 to scan our RAM for the program (or programs if there are more).

And that is very unlikely to happen in my opinion, or else it would have happened years ago because cheats/macros have been around since the very early years of W:A.

So,ppl cna use 2 spaces,but just cant use a program which make u tap 2 times with 1 of buttons is still pressed?

Becoz many players use fr in 2 spaces, i dont like to learn fr, but i have no problem with this,just want to know what we can or not...

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 16, 2011, 01:28 PM

Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 16, 2011, 11:30 AM

Quote from: Throsti on June 16, 2011, 11:24 AM
Bl Sniper. You will no win anymore

Why? He has rope skills, He just wont be able to tap as fast. He can use 1 finger and still be good or try to fr.

I feel for all the people with key lock and bad spaces and the people that need to use 2 spaces in order to get fast taps but the best way for a even playing field and no cheating and scripts is to outlaw all programs scripts macros etc

I dont know how else you will detect this

So you assume everyone with fast taps has to use 2 space bars or remapped his keys? That's a little bit over the top. ;)

For me this sounds like the ancient witch hunt, someone looked suspicious, let's burn him!

But just like you said, you won't be able to detect who is using remapped keys, the said autohotkey script or 2 space bars or whatever. Why? Simply because you don't have a camera installed in his/her room to see it, and I don't know how Cybershadow would be allowed to install a RAM scanning program into the W:A client. Because as of now we don't have a terms of use accepted that allows T17 to scan our RAM for the program (or programs if there are more).

And that is very unlikely to happen in my opinion, or else it would have happened years ago because cheats/macros have been around since the very early years of W:A.

Nice coment!

Anubis, you have a point, wouldn't it be illegal for MI to make this script? Wouldn't he need permission?

Also, MI:

I use Keychanger so I can use "Left Control" as "Space", does this mean my games are illegal even though I only tap with 1 finger and i'm slow lol?

If TUS developed an anti-cheat tool you would (by joining the league) agree that, if you decide to play league games, allow TUS Anti Cheat tool to scan for cheats. Not sure if everyone (regardless if he/she uses cheats or not) like that happen. It's a privacy violation in many eyes.

Quote from: Komito on June 16, 2011, 01:39 PMI use Keychanger so I can use "Left Control" as "Space", does this mean my games are illegal even though I only tap with 1 finger and i'm slow lol?

What's so hard in understanding MI's 1st post and why it makes everybody confused about the present rules? Komo, you can use it, because it's a normal remap. As far as you can't use a key while holding another you're not doing anything illegal.

Yeah but, it should be legal to innocently use a Keychanger cuz your Space is Keylocked?

Seriously, what sad pathetic arsehole needs to cheat on WA of all games anyway? It's 2011 ffs, go hack some real games you noobs...

Yes, you can use it. I have to remap my arrows and use 1235 on numpad to avoid keylock too. It's even harder to play, because enter isn't above my index finger and I have to use my left hand in case to fire. :)

Quote from: Dulek on June 16, 2011, 01:49 PM
Yes, you can use it. I have to remap my arrows and use 1235 on numpad to avoid keylock too. It's even harder to play, because enter isn't above my index finger and I have to use my left hand in case to fire. :)

Use your pinky finger to press enter, it should lay on numpad enter by default. :)

We are waiting for AimBot. Bng will be better (:

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1 space now.

Quote from: Komito on June 16, 2011, 01:39 PM
I use Keychanger so I can use "Left Control" as "Space", does this mean my games are illegal even though I only tap with 1 finger and i'm slow lol?

I just wanted to comment it, but no words... Just read first post in this topic which clearly explains your problem and then take a word...

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 16, 2011, 02:03 PM
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1 space now.

lol, you needed an official topic for it? When I told you to stop cheating few months ago you didn't really care!

Quote from: Maciej on June 16, 2011, 02:05 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 16, 2011, 02:03 PM
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1 space now.

lol, you needed an official topic for it? When I told you to stop cheating few months ago you didn't really care!

I didn't know that i was cheating, because i've not made the script.

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 16, 2011, 01:53 PM

Quote from: Dulek on June 16, 2011, 01:49 PM
Yes, you can use it. I have to remap my arrows and use 1235 on numpad to avoid keylock too. It's even harder to play, because enter isn't above my index finger and I have to use my left hand in case to fire. :)

Use your pinky finger to press enter, it should lay on numpad enter by default. :)

Yep, I know, but I don't 'feel' the shoot when I use enter on numpad + I kinda adjusted to currect solution. :)

2 spaces, fr are allowed. Using this specific AHK script is not allowed. Simple remapping of keyboard are allowed.

what about zippo ? he cheated all the time and he gave that script to all zillian.

I think remove his league stats and ban him forever will be fair.

Quote from: angus on June 16, 2011, 04:15 PM
what about zippo ? he cheated all the time and he gave that script to all zillian.

I think remove his league stats and ban him forever will be fair.

I think a green warning dot will be fair:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/regarding-ban-threads/

Zippo hasn't been around for a while now if you look at his profile, so it's irrelevant in any case. You can read MI's first post and you'll see what we'll do. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you see someone use a script, report it in the complaint forum and ask for a void. If you ask for a ban, I once again refer you to the link I gave you. There's a reason that thread was started.

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rofl camper, nice gif of sniper  :D

Quote from: DarkOne on June 16, 2011, 04:32 PM

Quote from: angus on June 16, 2011, 04:15 PM
what about zippo ? he cheated all the time and he gave that script to all zillian.

I think remove his league stats and ban him forever will be fair.

I think a green warning dot will be fair:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/regarding-ban-threads/

Zippo hasn't been around for a while now if you look at his profile, so it's irrelevant in any case. You can read MI's first post and you'll see what we'll do. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you see someone use a script, report it in the complaint forum and ask for a void. If you ask for a ban, I once again refer you to the link I gave you. There's a reason that thread was started.

This is mafia hahah.

No well, i didnt kewn that thread.. sorry Darkone.

What is going to happen to all the games won by Snicheat?

lalol

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 16, 2011, 07:57 PM
lalol

ScheateR

Snoobper


xDDD



ban all zippo  and sniper forever and ever , f@#!ing noobs hate on them asdasd

i want a green dot cos it looks cool

i envy u angus

its funny how sniper is surprised this was cheating... hahahahahahah just another thing showing how f@#!ing stupid brazillians are... i feel bad for u nino, your are the only one in brazil with a brain... besides your bulls, they have brains too :D

Quote from: avirex on June 16, 2011, 09:24 PM
i feel bad for u nino, your are the only one in brazil with a brain... besides your bulls, they have brains too :D

Nino for President od Brazil  8) 8) 8) 8)

Quote from: avirex on June 16, 2011, 09:24 PM
its funny how sniper is surprised this was cheating... hahahahahahah just another thing showing how f@#!ing stupid brazillians are... i feel bad for u nino, your are the only one in brazil with a brain... besides your bulls, they have brains too :D

Man.  I'm not even Brazilian and I find that offensive.

actually, you are brazillian, and nino is ur daddy

who cares for brain when i have 25 8====D

MI, could you please tell us that you have a way to be 100% sure that someone use the script and not a keymapper ?
Thanks :).

the KC (keychange) is also a cheat xD! why do not all use space ? is easy :}

Space + 2 fingers = POWAAA !!!!


plz no

wth brasil did?

this is racist... and i am not black...

Lets kick out racism of WA!

Quote from: Thouson on June 16, 2011, 11:30 PM
wth brasil did?

this is racist... and i am not black...

Lets kick out racism of WA!

I like brazil girls ass

i already MI to change my flag in tus but he didnot, then  i have to remember iam brazilian everyday i visit tus, that sucks.


hauhauha

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 12:10 AM
i already MI to change my flag in tus but he didnot, then  i have to remember iam brazilian everyday i visit tus, that sucks.


hauhauha

"Oi,sou o nino, quero ser gringo mas nao tenho dinheiro para isso :["

thouson, 1st, post in english.

2nd do you think every gringo has more money than a brazilian? lol

thats dumb to be compare such things like this in this forum but if u wanna know iam sure i got more money than some here, but like i said, thats not important, the atittude is, thats the shit of 99% of brazilians in here ;)

Quote from: Thouson on June 17, 2011, 12:30 AM

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 12:10 AM
i already MI to change my flag in tus but he didnot, then  i have to remember iam brazilian everyday i visit tus, that sucks.


hauhauha

"Oi,sou o nino, quero ser gringo mas nao tenho dinheiro para isso :["

MI: Essa é sua nova bandeira nino, é a sua cara !

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much better flag, thanks sniper, hauhaua, i could use it with crazy too lmfao, atleast hes fair in his actions, do not cheat at me crazy plzzzzzzzzz hauhauha

I'd like to see this "very famous game", is it on the site somewhere?

Why the game was deleted ?

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xDD

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

lol seriously?  are u serioulsy wondering why?

im gonna ask to delete those 2 games that u won against me

just telling u to not be surprised

ROFL XD

Quote from: Guaton on June 17, 2011, 01:31 AM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

lol seriously?  are u serioulsy wondering why?

im gonna ask to delete those 2 games that u won against me

just telling u to not be surprised

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Rofl what the hell is he asking! He doesn't get what is sportmanship or how to behave at all! All his games won should be deleted, every single one, whether it is single, trl or clanner

Quote from: Camper on June 16, 2011, 09:47 PM
who cares for brain when i have 25 8====D

What exactly do you need 25 penises for? - That's a GangBang and a half... SheWormer of the year indeed :O

Also, MI, is there any way we can see this game? I don't know what to look out for, and in the event of games I play being deleted, i'd rather save myself the time playing a full game, if I start a game and see it happen, I can leave the game, I think everyone will agree they do not wish to waste their time?

Soon everyone that taps fast is called an autohotkey user.  ;D

Quote from: SiD on June 17, 2011, 12:48 AM
I'd like to see this "very famous game", is it on the site somewhere?

Quote from: Komito on June 17, 2011, 02:02 AM
Also, MI, is there any way we can see this game? I don't know what to look out for, and in the event of games I play being deleted, i'd rather save myself the time playing a full game, if I start a game and see it happen, I can leave the game, I think everyone will agree they do not wish to waste their time?

Attached it.

Thanks mate :)

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 12:35 AM
thouson, 1st, post in english.

2nd do you think every gringo has more money than a brazilian? lol

thats dumb to be compare such things like this in this forum but if u wanna know iam sure i got more money than some here, but like i said, thats not important, the atittude is, thats the shit of 99% of brazilians in here ;)

lol

i preffer portuguese to this joke...hehe

2nd, the problem is u dont wanting to be zilian coz 1 of 2 shits some1 did...In a "nacionalist"(nacionalista,nao sei em ingles) country, u could hav more problems then i making a joke about this...

thouson, the problems of zilians is:

almost 100% dont know english, it is ok since you learn day by day, u missed the days when my english was shit worst than yours, but i cant undestand how many of them pass whole day playing, reading and posting in forum for years and dont learn a shit. another bad thing is that zilians usually treat gringos as if were enemies lol, they are normal peoples like us, and i dunno if it is cos their education or culture, they are much more cool than zilians, some brazilians you know insult you when you are trying to help.

so you know brazil is a shit country full of crime and corruption , where peoples are really shit mostly, why be proud at this? only cos u eventually born here? not ur fault m8, we just had bl huhua.

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 06:39 AM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Absolutely correct.

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 17, 2011, 10:33 AM

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 06:39 AM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Absolutely correct.

Absolutely incorrect.  This isn't the german penal law.  Rules in sport are a totally different affair.  I'm sure that during the first Olympics games they didn't enforce mandatory drug testing.  Laws change and evolve based on the current circumstances.  Likewise, there wasn't a law against downloading movies before the internet came about.

Just like when Worms leagues first came about.  Scripts and cheats etc came later, and so do the rules surrounding them.

Meh, as much as I hate it, I agree with Peja.

Pretty dumb to ask for it to count though. I guess you still don't get it sniper.. just a matter of time before you find a new way to cheat on your opponents. (http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-9530.gif)

Quote from: Cueshark on June 17, 2011, 10:54 AM

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 17, 2011, 10:33 AM

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 06:39 AM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Absolutely correct.

Absolutely incorrect.  This isn't the german penal law.  Rules in sport are a totally different affair.  I'm sure that during the first Olympics games they didn't enforce mandatory drug testing.  Laws change and evolve based on the current circumstances.  Likewise, there wasn't a law against downloading movies before the internet came about.

Just like when Worms leagues first came about.  Scripts and cheats etc came later, and so do the rules surrounding them.

The copyright law protects intellectual property of the Author, the law didn't need adjustments, it was just a new way of distributing. Also there was no HUGE timeframe where people could use it legally like in this case... AutoHotKey is an extremely known and old program (first released 2004), and thus far it was not officially considered a cheat. MI has already posted that due to the misunderstanding of the script it is considered to many people not being a cheat.

To make a more solid example... it would be like if remapping keys would be illegal now and everyone gets sued for it after years of legality.

dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

I`m just feeling more and more bad for Sniper, he`s recieving all the anger from the frustrated wormers but in reality we all know he is not the only one who`s currently is using (or used) this script. He`s 14, imo you are allowed to make a mistake or two at this age, you guys mocking him are aged 20-30, should know better ;X

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

50 % nino! I think you are right at Sniper tried to be ironic (more like sarcasitc), but that's exactly why he said "why it was deleted?" (i guess he meant to say: "why, was it deleted?") like he didn't know. :D

Also deleting previous games where using AutoHotKey wasn't yet forbidden is like deleting any games of any scheme about which the league rules or the league scheme itself had been changed.

f@#! him , f@#!ing cheater xD he should be banned forever , stop being like an oldwoman's heart , he deserve the worst , an so the rest of the ppl who thought about cheat will know whats gonna happen to them if they do it hueheue


even i got a  ban on this site ffs  ...

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

Quote from: Prankster on June 17, 2011, 01:43 PM

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

50 % nino! I think you are right at Sniper tried to be ironic (more like sarcasitc), but that's exactly why he said "why it was deleted?" (i guess he meant to say: "why, was it deleted?") like he didn't know. :D

Also deleting previous games where using AutoHotKey wasn't yet forbidden is like deleting any games of any scheme about which the league rules or the league scheme itself had been changed.

I asked, why the game was deleted from TRL league, np i don't care anymore, i'm just surprised that all of this happened because i beat Random.

Quote from: Crazy on June 17, 2011, 11:59 AM
I`m just feeling more and more bad for Sniper, he`s recieving all the anger from the frustrated wormers but in reality we all know he is not the only one who`s currently is using (or used) this script. He`s 14, imo you are allowed to make a mistake or two at this age, you guys mocking him are aged 20-30, should know better ;X

Sry i disappointed everyone, nor did i know that i used cheat.

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 02:21 PM

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

Quote from: Prankster on June 17, 2011, 01:43 PM

Quote from: nino on June 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
dudes, sid asked why the game isnot there anymore...sniper replyed "why it was deleted?" but iam sure he was trying to be hyronic, saying "cos* it was deleted?"

one more english fail imo.

50 % nino! I think you are right at Sniper tried to be ironic (more like sarcasitc), but that's exactly why he said "why it was deleted?" (i guess he meant to say: "why, was it deleted?") like he didn't know. :D

Also deleting previous games where using AutoHotKey wasn't yet forbidden is like deleting any games of any scheme about which the league rules or the league scheme itself had been changed.

I asked, why the game was deleted from TRL league, np i don't care anymore, i'm just surprised that all of this happened because i beat Random.

No this happened because, u uploaded that script and i wasnt so dumb to not understand how that scriptcheat work, you dumb xd

and I don't know why all of your cheated games aren't deleted, be happy you are not banned. You don't beat Random, that's like using macro and saying you got faster tap than Anubis, rofl.
For more you kept using this shit in league even you knew it's cheat! You needed an official topic to stop it (and still don't know if you stopped, haven't seen you for a while, and not going to meet you anymore).

I would like to point out that autohotkey can be used to just do a simple remap. I used AHK to remap my spaces and my space would never work if one was already being held down. I never knew it could be used to do so much more. The only reason I used AHK was there was a suspend button, so I could still type those letter's in chat if I needed too.

its funny how you blame Brazil for cheating but there are lots more cheaters non-zillians here, whose dont say anything.

None knows I used 2 cheat, and came here on the forum and said I used to. so Sniper he is not mute. he comes here and posts whatever he needs to say. CHEATERS? YES. BUT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT COWARDS AND LIERS.

This you have to agree ;)

Quote from: Camper on June 17, 2011, 03:17 PM
its funny how you blame Brazil for cheating but there are lots more cheaters non-zillians here, whose dont say anything.

None knows I used 2 cheat, and came here on the forum and said I used to. so Sniper he is not mute. he comes here and posts whatever he needs to say. CHEATERS? YES. BUT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT COWARDS AND LIERS.

This you have to agree ;)

deja vü

Devolution on xtc , hahaha

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actually i didnt understand what camperz wrote here...

-ure accusing ppl of cheat , name them at least lol like e1 did xDD (with no results)

-u used a cheat program to rope , and u came here and did a confession , and u are proud of it


?

Why is everyone so mad at SnipeR? So what, he used a program, but when you play SnipeR he isn't insulting you all the time, he isn't calling you names, he plays competitively and wants to be very good, everytime I play with him, always nice conversation, he is a nice person inside, so he will learn from this mistake.

SnipeR is a good guy, he will learn from this and be better, so many other players are bad to play, they spam, insult, annoy etc...

It's not so bad this time...

Quotea vü

Devolution on xtc , hahaha

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actually i didnt understand what camperz wrote here...

-ure accusing ppl of cheat , name them at least lol like e1 did xDD (with no results)

-u used a cheat program to rope , and u came here and did a confession , and u are proud of it


?

1st - I won't name em, if they wanna everyone knows they cheats they say here .
2nd - well maybe im sad cos I used script for rope for times. But im proud im i gave my face 2 slap here. Im prod im not lier. Thats . Got?

Quote from: Camper on June 17, 2011, 03:41 PM

Quotea vü

Devolution on xtc , hahaha

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actually i didnt understand what camperz wrote here...

-ure accusing ppl of cheat , name them at least lol like e1 did xDD (with no results)

-u used a cheat program to rope , and u came here and did a confession , and u are proud of it


?

1st - I won't name em, if they wanna everyone knows they cheats they say here .
2nd - well maybe im sad cos I used script for rope for times. But im proud im i gave my face 2 slap here. Im prod im not lier. Thats . Got?

kinda ..

Quote from: Camper on June 17, 2011, 03:41 PM

1st - I won't name em, if they wanna everyone knows they cheats they say here .

and thats not coward?  throw a rock an after hide the hand?   HA.

thats not coward, i made my choice, they made their

Quote from: Camper on June 17, 2011, 03:48 PM
thats not coward, i made my choice, they made their

thats coward , u are acussing ppl of cheating with no proofs but ur own faith and waiting for some move from ppl who doesnt even know that they are being accussed of that kind of stuff

let free that big tongue

Should we open up a venting thread? Guaton and his co-angry-people can display all his frustrations right there and keep it out of announcement threads. Guaton, take some sedatives, seriously. He's not accusing anyone because he's not posting any names. You then tell him to do exactly what you're accusing him off.
I can understand you're angry, but dude, let it go. This isn't a multi-million dollar olympic sport, it's a 12 year old game that supposedly is played for fun. Treat it accordingly.

Just FYI: Random pointed out he lost because his roping wasn't good that particular game. Doesn't change that the game was rightly removed.
This announcement was placed specifically because of the thread that was started in response to the game.

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 17, 2011, 10:33 AM

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 06:39 AM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 01:14 AM
Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Absolutely correct.

Actually, the TUS rules always had this in there, to my knowledge:

Quote from: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/#107Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

This announcement topic just explains that rule in further detail. It tells players who have only been using AHK to remap their keys that they weren't breaking the rule and players who've been using it for more that they have. No retroactivity required.

As an interesting aside, Mexican (and quite a few other countries') penal and criminal law does apply retroactively, according to Wikipedia.

IANAL.  :P

I agree with KRD, there was already rule about cheating programs, so I'm wondering why cheaters are still free to play and their cheated games are still reported as their wins! I DON'T GET IT! not really fair!
every rope game reported on tus by Sniper is probably cheated, he won because he used program to make his roping eaiser and it gives him better chance to win! And it still shows they beat better players in unfair way! And it's not only about Sniper, I'm sure there are more ppl who use this shit...

:'(

anyway, to be honest Sniper doesn't even know what fr is, he has never used it.

Actually, the TUS rules always had this in there, to my knowledge:

Quote from: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/#107Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

the rulez dont fit in this situation, because sniper didnt even know he was cheating.
this script is available on tus since over an year ago https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/cheating/60/ (posted in an cheating topic :D)

it became illegal with the post of mi and thats fine.
sniper is punished enough by beeing forced to change his rope style and the deleted game(s) imo.
(aslong as noone can show he knew about release advantage of this script)

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 05:28 PM
Actually, the TUS rules always had this in there, to my knowledge:

Quote from: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/#107Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

the rulez dont fit in this situation, because sniper didnt even know he was cheating.
this script is available on tus since over an year ago https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/cheating/60/ (posted in an cheating topic :D)

it became illegal with the post of mi and thats fine.
sniper is punished enough by beeing forced to change his rope style and the deleted game(s) imo.
(aslong as noone can show he knew about release advantage of this script)

He didn't know he was cheating? That's the worst excuse ever, rules are rules and when you play this league you agree to its written and non written rules. I am totally surprised how naive are you all trying to back up a guy who has cheated and until this day doesn't care that much, he has taken advantage to beat several players and clans not from yesterday or 1 or 3 months, but from a lot of time.
If he is 14 or 25 that's not really important, what is important is to mantain the fair play in this game, but seems like the 80% of this community doesn't have a clue of what sportmanship is. To punish him deleting all his games won where he roped is asking for the most fair thing accordingly to the rules of every league of this game and to the common sense. I don't know how hard can be for you to understand that a game won due cheating MUST be deleted, show some respect to the players who lost playing fair and don't turn a blind eye.
Similar situations have happened in LW, you know what we do there if we catch a cheater? We delete all his games won and ban him for several months. It's not necessary to say names, but some very well known latin players have cheated in LW, they were banned and learned the lesson. At the end they became great and respected players because of this.

Don't take me as a sniper's hater, to be honest I don't care about him. But I can't stand when someone corrupts this community, and I'm just stating my opinion without any insult.

Quote from: Maciej on June 17, 2011, 04:48 PM
I agree with KRD, there was already rule about cheating programs, so I'm wondering why cheaters are still free to play and their cheated games are still reported as their wins! I DON'T GET IT! not really fair!
every rope game reported on tus by Sniper is probably cheated, he won because he used program to make his roping eaiser and it gives him better chance to win! And it still shows they beat better players in unfair way! And it's not only about Sniper, I'm sure there are more ppl who use this shit...

:'(

Quote from: Maciej on June 17, 2011, 05:09 PM
anyway, to be honest Sniper doesn't even know what fr is, he has never used it.

Check my firsts games, and my latest game (Roper clanner), i'm not using fr.
And i used ahk for less time, before i used other program, i just used this because i could not put space in windows key, careful about what you're talking.

it's really bad execuse that he didn't know he cheats, as I kept talking him to stop cheating few months ago, when I was in dC yet (Chelsea can confirm I used to write about it on private dC forum, as I didn't want to make any flame war, and he was my clanmate at all... hoped he could change), but he didn't really care. I was sure he cheats, it's not possible to get this tap after 2 weeks of play fr (!?), as I played fr for 2 years on one of the best keyboards. Just didn't know which way he cheats.
Now we found he didn't even use fr. IT WAS LIE (ye Campi, the proof zillians lie). He still used 1 finger to play (what we see on his video), he just used to press spaces like mad idiot when he needed it (like cheat, give you double tap when you need, almost same here). Once I shown a program which counts your tap in 10 sec (tapometer??) to my cousin, he put like 4 spaces on and was happy he taps like anyone, but is it finger roll? (don't forget this program counts double space, so if you gonna check it, do it on single space ;))

What's the sense of this text ?
All members of TUS know that i used ahk, no need remember every post,
anyway i'm not talking about this now, i'm talking about your phrase saying that i cheated in TUS everytime, it's a big lie, watch my firsts games playing with space and others game that i played with normal remap (a remap that needed to restart after 30 minutes), since i played with nick Kaleu, so i'll repeat again careful about what you're talking, i used this script for atleast 3/4 months, and i'm on TUS since 2009.

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 17, 2011, 07:55 PM
i used this script for atleast 3/4 months, and i'm on TUS since 2009.

just one, big LIE, you used it before, few months ago when I was in dC. If you would be able to take control of finger roll you use it now, and not back to 1 finger (but maybe it's another lie ::))
ok, stop it, I don't fancy in fights anymore.

Quote from: lalo on June 17, 2011, 06:44 PM

Quote from: Peja on June 17, 2011, 05:28 PM
Actually, the TUS rules always had this in there, to my knowledge:

Quote from: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/#107Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

the rulez dont fit in this situation, because sniper didnt even know he was cheating.
this script is available on tus since over an year ago https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/cheating/60/ (posted in an cheating topic :D)

it became illegal with the post of mi and thats fine.


I'd like to know how community will know who cheats and who doesnt D:
sniper is punished enough by beeing forced to change his rope style and the deleted game(s) imo.
(aslong as noone can show he knew about release advantage of this script)

He didn't know he was cheating? That's the worst excuse ever, rules are rules and when you play this league you agree to its written and non written rules. I am totally surprised how naive are you all trying to back up a guy who has cheated and until this day doesn't care that much, he has taken advantage to beat several players and clans not from yesterday or 1 or 3 months, but from a lot of time.
If he is 14 or 25 that's not really important, what is important is to mantain the fair play in this game, but seems like the 80% of this community doesn't have a clue of what sportmanship is. To punish him deleting all his games won where he roped is asking for the most fair thing accordingly to the rules of every league of this game and to the common sense. I don't know how hard can be for you to understand that a game won due cheating MUST be deleted, show some respect to the players who lost playing fair and don't turn a blind eye.
Similar situations have happened in LW, you know what we do there if we catch a cheater? We delete all his games won and ban him for several months. It's not necessary to say names, but some very well known latin players have cheated in LW, they were banned and learned the lesson. At the end they became great and respected players because of this.

Don't take me as a sniper's hater, to be honest I don't care about him. But I can't stand when someone corrupts this community, and I'm just stating my opinion without any insult.

I agree with lalo for the first time, ur a chater u should be point out and wear a donkeys hat for life.

He's 14 years old big enough to know what u doin, a 12 years old kid is condemned to be in jail for life for killing his brother, yeh 12 years old kid laws are changing according to the crime, im not comparing murderers to cheaters but as big community MI should use all his power to punish this kind of acts.

Hmm,i think the most important question hasn't been answered yet... didn't read the whole thread so sorry if it has been: How are you able to determine if some1 is using a program or not? If the program is not in any way modifying the w:a physics i don't see any way to do so... unless you set up rules on what is a human being capable of or not, including the advantages one has with 2 fingers or multiple finger tapping and so on. ;) Actually i don't even think that autohotkey thing (as far as i understood it...) gives you an advantage, i guess you have to get used to it and 100% get comfortable with it to use it without doing mistakes. Same goes with macros, UWT (dunno why that is considered as cheating coz some basic things like doing shadows is not possible with it unless you mix normal roping and UWT) or stuff like that.

maybe u got a point dev, but here in brasil if u r 17 and 11 months and u kill someone, ull respond as a kid for the justice and with 18 u r free. so if u have an exemple like this in a really important thing, imagine if he would care b4 start using a script to be pr0 on a WA league? 

Chakk, check my replay with this shit, I have never got this tap before, and guess I would get even better, as it was my only tangency with this script. Thanks it you get better tap because nothing blocks you + better control of scroll ofc because you don't care about timing

(it's short replay, take few seconds, and the same I uploaded the last time, in deleted topic I guess)

Well, i get that you will achieve a certain advantage if you are used to using it. But then, where does cheating start? I know Mablak has put some paper ball under his spacebar to make the way it needs to activate the key shorter and to make it snap back quicker which is basically the same as using a low profile keyboard, notebook like. And Autohotkey, the way i understood it, basically does the same as if you had set up a macro on your fancy gaming keyboard. And then, people who do fingerroll have an advantage to people doing one finger roping and so on... already been discussed loads and it never comes to a result. I can't even say i care anymore also if someone cheats or not. If that person is trying hard to make an absolute retard fool out of himself then why not give him the chance to do so. It'll all come back on him. :)

aff...

ppl insist in this conversation...

simples points: all remapers are cheat, many players here use and lie...
All this shit started many times ago,but just had a viewed complaint when he beated random00 in a game which random played veery bad, players not good in rr like me could be him if he played like that...

I can see here much hypocrisy and bullying and a famous name in brasil:"dor de cotovelo"...

Pls keep out zillians from this conversation xd

Chakkman... just read first post in this topic, MI clearly explained.
It's about script in AHK who allows you to press another space, while one is already pressed, and still work! Normaly it blocks you, because just think, you can't press your space while it's already pressed, same in keychanger, remapkey, but it was special script to allow it. You don't need too good timing with it, because you don't care if you leave space or not, it works everytime you press it.

Quote from: Thouson on June 17, 2011, 10:00 PM
aff...

ppl insist in this conversation...

simples points: all remapers are cheat, many players here use and lie...
All this shit started many times ago,but just had a viewed complaint when he beated random00 in a game which random played veery bad, players not good in rr like me could be him if he played like that...

I can see here much hypocrisy and bullying and a famous name in brasil:"dor de cotovelo"...

porra angus lemme talk xD

 xd I wanted edit the post: ''except nino'' but u already know : p

¬¬

Quote from: Maciej on June 17, 2011, 10:37 PM
Chakkman... just read first post in this topic, MI clearly explained.
It's about script in AHK who allows you to press another space, while one is already pressed, and still work! Normaly it blocks you, because just think, you can't press your space while it's already pressed, same in keychanger, remapkey, but it was special script to allow it. You don't need too good timing with it, because you don't care if you leave space or not, it works everytime you press it.

I think you're missing the point of chakky's post here. There are other ways to get unfair advantages, I've heard of several other ways people gain an advantage over others. The question is: where do you draw the line? Is modifying your kb so you can tap faster unfair?
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

Quote from: Maciej on June 17, 2011, 10:37 PM
Chakkman... just read first post in this topic, MI clearly explained.
It's about script in AHK who allows you to press another space, while one is already pressed, and still work! Normaly it blocks you, because just think, you can't press your space while it's already pressed, same in keychanger, remapkey, but it was special script to allow it. You don't need too good timing with it, because you don't care if you leave space or not, it works everytime you press it.

Hm, think i gotta try it to see what it does, from what google tells me it's some macro program similar to the G-series Logitech driver thing but dunno...

Quote from: angus on June 17, 2011, 10:34 PM
Pls keep out zillians from this conversation xd

how i was saying...


this coment make my thesis right, yes?


^^

Quote from: DarkOne on June 17, 2011, 11:38 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

But we're still talking about cheating on a kid video game right? :D

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

Really? ;D

Perspective, Komo! My work involves people's lives. WA is a 12 year old game of anthropomorphic worms blowing eachother up with sheep that wear helmets and no league earns you a penny (except ones where the cup/tourney/league moderator offers money for the winners)

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 12:45 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

Really? ;D

Perspective, Komo! My work involves people's lives. WA is a 12 year old game of anthropomorphic worms blowing eachother up with sheep that wear helmets and no league earns you a penny (except ones where the cup/tourney/league moderator offers money for the winners)

Perspective nothing, it's the principle, it's about balance.

And you musta missed the point, because my point is, I think it's perfectly fine to alter your KB if you can't afford good ones etc.

And your work makes it even worse btw, you are playing with peoples lives, they are in risk of an accidental dosage of medicine, or a surgery gone wrong and could die, they could catch infection just being at the Hospital, but, it's all in good cause, trying to save people.

You say, it's only a 12 year old game, well, if it's "only a game" then don't say it's not cool?

Can't afford good ones?

Are you saying there's a more expensive keyboard I could buy which would make my roping better?

I don't think so.  Most people cherish their old shitty keyboards because they rope best on them.

I use a £10 keyboard after ditching my G15.

Your arguments are priceless though Komo.

Quote from: Cueshark on June 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
Can't afford good ones?

Are you saying there's a more expensive keyboard I could buy which would make my roping better?

I don't think so.  Most people cherish their old shitty keyboards because they rope best on them.

I use a £10 keyboard after ditching my G15.

Your arguments are priceless though Komo.

fu and i was happy to use a £4 one  :(

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AM
And your work makes it even worse btw, you are playing with peoples lives, they are in risk of an accidental dosage of medicine, or a surgery gone wrong and could die, they could catch infection just being at the Hospital, but, it's all in good cause, trying to save people.

You say, it's only a 12 year old game, well, if it's "only a game" then don't say it's not cool?

Jesus man you just can't let one topic pass without yet another stupid controversial offending side kick on someone to put the spotlight on you. Shame really, i know you could do better.

Wtf? chakk, are you really gonna act that dumb?

The point I make, makes perfect f@#!ing sense in light of what DarkOne said, I AM f@#!ING AGREEING WITH HIM.

Don't be stupid...

Cueshark, I am the same, this keyboard I have, for MY style ownz, it cost £5, but I have to use keychanger to use left control as space.

I only ever had 1 keyboard that worked perfect for my style and I broke it, i've never found another, and I refuse to spend £50+ on a keyboard for a £2 game.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 17, 2011, 11:38 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

But aren't you then doing the same thing cheaters are doing from the perspective of players who choose not to avoid their keyboard's keylock without resorting to third party software (at least until we scrap together the money to buy decent hardware...)? You're making things easier for yourself.

This is just a train of thought, by the way, not necessarily my thought-out opinion.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AM
my point is, I think it's perfectly fine to alter your KB if you can't afford good ones etc.

That's fine, but you were telling me what opinion *I* should have on the matter and that's just plain silly. Your reasoning for what my opinion should be what you say it should be is even sillier because of the complete lack of perspective.

Also:

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AMyou are playing with peoples lives

Doctors and nurses joke around a lot at work, but even we aren't that crass to say we're playing with people's lives.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 18, 2011, 01:08 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 17, 2011, 11:38 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

But aren't you then doing the same thing cheaters are doing from the perspective of players who choose not to avoid their keyboard's keylock without resorting to third party software (at least until we scrap together the money to buy decent hardware...)? You're making things easier for yourself.

This is just a train of thought, by the way, not necessarily my thought-out opinion.

KRD, this is a League, people should have an even playing field, what's the point having a league, then letting some people have a hige advantage cuz only they can afford best equipment for the game.

Trust me, I am right, using KeyChanger is perfectly innocent, if companies could make cheap keyboards without keylock, problem solved, why the hell do they make keyboards with keylock anyway? Coming to think about it, does anyone know why they are manufactured like this??

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AM
my point is, I think it's perfectly fine to alter your KB if you can't afford good ones etc.

That's fine, but you were telling me what opinion *I* should have on the matter and that's just plain silly. Your reasoning for what my opinion should be what you say it should be is even sillier because of the complete lack of perspective.

Also:

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AMyou are playing with peoples lives

Doctors and nurses joke around a lot at work, but even we aren't that crass to say we're playing with people's lives.

1st off, I never told you anything of the sort, find a quote or take that back.

2nd, "playing with lives" is a turn of phrase, I don't mean you literally "play" with "lives", don't you know this phrase? It's not a bad thing btw.

Ah sorry, I thought you replied after I replied just noticed you replied before I posted so now I have a double post, sorry

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 18, 2011, 01:08 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 17, 2011, 11:38 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

But aren't you then doing the same thing cheaters are doing from the perspective of players who choose not to avoid their keyboard's keylock without resorting to third party software (at least until we scrap together the money to buy decent hardware...)? You're making things easier for yourself.

This is just a train of thought, by the way, not necessarily my thought-out opinion.

KRD, this is a League, people should have an even playing field, what's the point having a league, then letting some people have a hige advantage cuz only they can afford best equipment for the game.

Trust me, I am right, using KeyChanger is perfectly innocent, if companies could make cheap keyboards without keylock, problem solved, why the hell do they make keyboards with keylock anyway? Coming to think about it, does anyone know why they are manufactured like this??

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AM
my point is, I think it's perfectly fine to alter your KB if you can't afford good ones etc.

That's fine, but you were telling me what opinion *I* should have on the matter and that's just plain silly. Your reasoning for what my opinion should be what you say it should be is even sillier because of the complete lack of perspective.

Also:

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:53 AMyou are playing with peoples lives

Doctors and nurses joke around a lot at work, but even we aren't that crass to say we're playing with people's lives.

1st off, I never told you anything of the sort, find a quote or take that back.

2nd, "playing with lives" is a turn of phrase, I don't mean you literally "play" with "lives", don't you know this phrase? It's not a bad thing btw.

Ah sorry, I thought you replied after I replied just noticed you replied before I posted so now I have a double post, sorry

LETS JUST ENJOY THE GAME AND STOP ARGUING  :D
If sniper cheated, HIS PROBLEM XD he'll be banned

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM
Trust me, I am right, using KeyChanger is perfectly innocent, if companies could make cheap keyboards without keylock, problem solved, why the hell do they make keyboards with keylock anyway? Coming to think about it, does anyone know why they are manufactured like this??

Well, considering keyboard's are mostly used for typing and it seems to be cheaper to manufacture keyboards which have a keylock i guess the manufacturer's don't pay too much attention on avoiding they keylock. Plus they'll be able to sell their keylock-free gaming keyboards well. Bit of a maketing scam i guess...

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 18, 2011, 01:08 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 17, 2011, 11:38 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently ;D)

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

But aren't you then doing the same thing cheaters are doing from the perspective of players who choose not to avoid their keyboard's keylock without resorting to third party software (at least until we scrap together the money to buy decent hardware...)? You're making things easier for yourself.

This is just a train of thought, by the way, not necessarily my thought-out opinion.

KRD, this is a League, people should have an even playing field, what's the point having a league, then letting some people have a hige advantage cuz only they can afford best equipment for the game.

Trust me, I am right, using KeyChanger is perfectly innocent, if companies could make cheap keyboards without keylock, problem solved, why the hell do they make keyboards with keylock anyway? Coming to think about it, does anyone know why they are manufactured like this??

Well, there's never going to be a perfectly level playing field. The more the members of a community try and adjust the balance, the closer they all get to legitimising cheating. If it happens slowly enough, they won't even notice that anything has happened at all. In fact I'd say it already has in our case.

And that brings us back to the point someone brought up earlier: where's the line? Past leagues had a clearer notion of this, although it's true none of them defined it in their rules. Likely because competitive players tend to, like they're doing here, find loopholes in rules every chance they get. This is why I support Mablak's effort to finally come up with an unexploitable set of guidelines that determine what is and what isn't cheating in our community.

As for why cheap keyboards are made with poor circuitry... well, because it's cheaper, heh. The exceptions to the rule that more money gets you a better keyboard are flukes and in some other game that requires the use of different keys, they would fail just the same.

Basically what I get from your post KRD is "If you can't afford the best equipment, then f@#! you! Tough luck!" Which is a massive surprise coming from you...

And sorry. I really respect Mablak, more than almost anyone, but who the hell gives HIM the right to make a set of guidelines what is and isn't cheating??

Quote from: chakkman on June 18, 2011, 01:24 AM
Well, considering keyboard's are mostly used for typing and it seems to be cheaper to manufacture keyboards which have a keylock i guess the manufacturer's don't pay too much attention on avoiding they keylock. Plus they'll be able to sell their keylock-free gaming keyboards well. Bit of a maketing scam i guess...

Yes, and do you think this is fair? I don't, why should I lose out or anyone else because companies wish to scam you...

It's not so much a question of whether you can afford a good keyboard or not, it's about taking the time to research the subject, finding out what would work for your needs and then getting used to it in practice. But even in the extreme case of comparing high quality mechanical keyboards (excellent models cost around £100) with cheap rubber domes (£10), you still have to take into account that the former will easily last you five times longer without noticeable wear. The difference in price over the lifetime of the products isn't huge, with build quality and general satisfaction firmly on the side of the mechs. This is all even more obvious if you replace the cheap rubber dome in the comparison with a flashy Logitech one costing nearly as much as something with Cherry MX switches. That's not to say that every mechanical switch is good for roping, of course, nor that it will suit everyone. Enter research.

Why Mablak? He's the only one I've seen volunteer. And I know he wouldn't just force his personal opinion on everyone else but rather approach a bunch of others and ask them for their take on it before even publishing the first public draft. Let's not be picky, eh?

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM
1st off, I never told you anything of the sort, find a quote or take that back.

k.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM
2nd, "playing with lives" is a turn of phrase, I don't mean you literally "play" with "lives", don't you know this phrase? It's not a bad thing btw.

WARNING: OFF-TOPIC RANT IMMINENT.

I know it's a turn of phrase. I see it used all the time:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Distracted+drivers+playing+with+lives/4878426/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
http://www.stolenchildhood.net/entry/africa-witchcraft-playing-with-lives-of-children-in-malawi/
http://www.thelawyer.com/playing-with-lives/77223.article

These were the first 3 results on google. The list goes on and on. Don't tell me it's not a bad thing.
I know I should let this rest, but honestly, this runs too deep with me. When things go sour in WA, I can shrug it off or even take a break from WA for a while to cool off. There are no noteworthy consequences to a screw up in WA.
When things went sour at my work, I did not have the luxury to shrug it off. I had to explain to their family why things went sour. I had no time to process what had happened. There was no time to talk things over. There was no luxury of calling it a day because something bad had happened despite my best efforts or if I missed a diagnosis, because the next patient was waiting for me. You either swim or you drown and you're on your own because your colleagues have the same shit to work through and if a family really wants to damage your career in retaliation, you swore secrecy and therefore can't defend yourself either. I can tell you of a vindictive patient who was on a vicious campaign to soil someone's name (a doctor with an impeccable record, I might add).
I don't expect you to understand what it's like, but I will not just let you throw stuff like "playing with lives" at me and let you shrug it off as if it doesn't mean a damn thing, because it does. You have no idea how much this has pissed me off. Use your damn head before you click the post button. Use the preview button, read your post and if you find out it's a f@#!ing stupid post, dump it like the turd it is and flush it, never to be seen again.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 18, 2011, 02:06 AM
It's not so much a question of whether you can afford a good keyboard or not, it's about taking the time to research the subject, finding out what would work for your needs and then getting used to it in practice. But even in the extreme case of comparing high quality mechanical keyboards (excellent models cost around £100) with cheap rubber domes (£10), you still have to take into account that the former will easily last you five times longer without noticeable wear. The difference in price over the lifetime of the products isn't huge, with build quality and general satisfaction firmly on the side of the mechs. This is all even more obvious if you replace the cheap rubber dome in the comparison with a flashy Logitech one costing nearly as much as something with Cherry MX switches. That's not to say that every mechanical switch is good for roping, of course, nor that it will suit everyone. Enter research.

f@#! off you poncy snobby git...

£5, Keychanger - Perfect.

I ain't wasting hundreds of f@#!ing pounds buying parts from this and parts from that, I done research it took 2 minutes:

Google - Keychanger - Done.

It's perfectly fair, making left control as space, is just the same as a company making space without keylock, if some have keylock and some don't it's fair to change keys for the ones that do, if you don't agree with this, then it's a difference of opinion, I feel I am logically correct, although neither of us are correct/incorrect, unless there was a global law against this...

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:07 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 01:12 AM
1st off, I never told you anything of the sort, find a quote or take that back.

k.

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

You being a doctor should be on the same line.

People dying, you use programs and machines etc to stop them from dying, therefor cheating life and the natural way of things.

You are wrong, that line doesn't "tell you what your opinion should be"

Saying something is on the same line, is me saying it's the same principle, incase you didn't understand:

"you being a doctor should be on the same line." is me saying "a keyboard that doesn't work properly, using a program to help it achieve something other standard keyboards allow, is by principle, the same as being a doctor, using technolody/programs/machines to help people back to other standard humans health."

And D1, about your little rant, that's your problem for taking it the wrong way, it was said as an innocent phrase and you f@#!ing KNOW that's how I intended it, I always do, you f@#!ing know I respect your work, I even quit smoking, partly because of you, don't start f@#!ing with me now, please, theres no need, sorry if you got the wrong idea, I had no intention, whatsoever, for making you angry/upset, sorry.

Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Whatever, your too full of yourself to see...

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 02:39 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Whatever, your too full of yourself to see...

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Come on... TUS is trying to get better and you arguing still...
That's not the way to make a better TUS page...

Quote from: Gabriel on June 18, 2011, 03:23 AM

Quote from: Komito on June 18, 2011, 02:39 AM

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Whatever, your too full of yourself to see...

Quote from: DarkOne on June 18, 2011, 02:35 AM
Wow. Just, wow.

I'm done with you.

Come on... TUS is trying to get better and you arguing still...
That's not the way to make a better TUS page...

D1 is over-exagerating...

He knows 100% I am not bad guy who says things to hurt people, and I quit smoking for 2 months now, because of D1, I respect him very very much, he's helped me change my life, so for him to say something like this, is making mountain out of a molehill...

Apparently there are still some people that don't know if sniper's ban is justified. I understood that sniper used a script that changed wa's physics, and that sounds like cheating to me.

No fancy 300euro keyboard alone is gonna change wa's physics, I hope we get this right.

I agree, but why u ban program?
Is there any remap kay changer that i can still write and play on letters?

My script looks like this:

Quote~PgDn::Suspend, on
~PgUp::Suspend, off

k::F8
l::space
.::space

I changed from remapkey.exe to AHK just to be able to write in chat and play in game. Now i need to start missing k and l just because AHK is banned?
For thouse who doesnt know what suspend do, it allow me to have k,l,; as f8,spaces while pressing pg up, and have my letters back on chat while pressing down -.-

The use of that specific AHK script and similar programs are banned. Not the program itself.

So topic "Using AutoHotKey is considered as a cheat" is a lil confusing than:)

f@#! U ALL CHEATERS, THAT WILL DO :)

Hhahaha what a fight between D1, Komo and Krd. I find it incredible that you still argue like this komodo year after year xD

Quote from: Crazy on June 18, 2011, 10:19 AM
Hhahaha what a fight between D1, Komo and Krd. I find it incredible that you still argue like this komodo year after year xD

Year after year? I only signed up for TuS early last year lol...

o YEA Good Job Monkey... This you should have done long ago, sometimes he saw how the script works and it certainly was not fr, 2 spaces, just a normal player (1 space) he had no chance at use this script. GJ and

Quotef@#! U ALL CHEATERS, THAT WILL DO

+

Quote from: BoNuS on June 18, 2011, 04:34 PM
o YEA Good Job Monkey... This you should have done long ago, sometimes he saw how the script works and it certainly was not fr, 2 spaces, just a normal player (1 space) he had no chance at use this script. GJ and

Quotef@#! U ALL CHEATERS, THAT WILL DO

+

1st: what? :)
2nd: heh, I gave a - for that. :D

Ok maybe i am first for say us, but i use cheats
Not on TUS, but 4 fun gameplays whit Rubber when u can attack X Times ;)

btw.. I'm just wondering why trl game Random vs Sniper is deleted? And all rest cheated games stayed?
You should delete ALL or NOTHING... be fair

Is modding your registry a cheat?

Quote from: Maciej on June 18, 2011, 08:46 PM
btw.. I'm just wondering why trl game Random vs Sniper is deleted? And all rest cheated games stayed?
You should delete ALL or NOTHING... be fair

yea, as allywas you are right  ;D

+1 for you  ;)

(http://www.allmystery.de/i/ttVc0Ji_troll_thread.jpg)

omg the cheaters smitted me! heaaaaa u are still cheaters :)

Ban fr, tap with space, and go play Elite !

Lets go further, lets ban ppl who have bigger monitors than my. They cheat with higher resolution!

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 09:30 AM
Lets go further, lets ban ppl who have bigger monitors than my. They cheat with higher resolution!

Differing resolution sizes are part of the game, they were added to the game for everyone with a good enough graphics card.

Using third party scripts/programs/whatnot to do something which is changing the gameplay in such a manner as I understand AHK to do is a poor way of gaining an advantage to counter your lack of skill thereof (if there were skill, you wouldn't need to exploit).



If you use AHK, you need to harden the f@#! up.
Click here if the above sentence isn't clear enough. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y)



Also if anyone wants to then flame me about how RubberWorm, WormKit, etc are not part of the game, that is technically true, but I don't use either, I simply have WA with the patches hosted by Team17.

Was joke, provocation workedXD

Well you miss so much fun if You dont have wormkit and beein able to play kaos tho xD

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 19, 2011, 03:57 AM
Ban fr, tap with space, and go play Elite !

Heh, thx SnipeR, I wanted to say the same but with BnG before. Thx for trolling instead of me. +1
Btw, Devilage, I'm not a cheater, never even used two spaces (I hardly ever rope :D). But your comment was just trollfeeding, nothing more, and that desevers no answer, but smiting. ;)

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 09:30 AM
Lets go further, lets ban ppl who have bigger monitors than my. They cheat with higher resolution!

That's me screwed then:
(http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy273/komodziboi/DSC00002.jpg)


:'(

I like your safety Komito, and im not talking about worms, I personally got 3 lighters as well  8)

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 10:58 AM
I like your safety Komito, and im not talking about worms, I personally got 3 lighters as well  8)

Haha xD This picture is from 2-3 months ago, I quit smoking about 1-2 months ago xD

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 10:58 AM
I like your safety Komito, and im not talking about worms, I personally got 3 lighters as well  8)

haha man, same here, i got 3 here and 2 in my car xD

Quote from: Komito on June 19, 2011, 11:08 AM

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 10:58 AM
I like your safety Komito, and im not talking about worms, I personally got 3 lighters as well  8)

Haha xD This picture is from 2-3 months ago, I quit smoking about 1-2 months ago xD

AAaaaa  Lucky bastard! I tried 7 times!  2 weeks was max:( but therell be more trysXD GJ at quiting this shit:)

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 19, 2011, 03:57 AM
Ban fr, tap with space, and go play Elite !

It shows how silly kid is Sniper and how it's easy to manipulate his brain.
I know you are jealous of ppl who got better skill than you, who can master timing with FR (which you have never been using), but save it for yourself.
Here are 2 examples that there are keyboards with 2 spaces on, so it should be (and it is) simply allowed to give same chances for everyone:
(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/06/ergo_05.jpg)
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/johnaclark/Freedom%20Keyboard%20Review/100_0865.jpg)

Nice keyboards Maciej xD

I've a g11 right now, but I broke my spacebar 2 months ago, and I miss it so much!!! but... I don't want to give other money to logitech to use that f@#!ing spacebar ahahha! So, I'm using keytweak to remap my space on other keys... I don't take any advantage by this! and..sure, I've remapped 2 spaces because my fingers can't stay in a same little keys xD, I've big hands cause I'm not a child, anymore... Right now, I've also remapped a 3d key because I'm learning to tap with 3 fingers.

I've not understood so much the point here. Someone accuses the scripts that we know and the other macros-shit... and I agree at all! I've tried a lot of cheats to discover the other bastards cheaters, and I've always understood who was cheating, and I assure to yu that there are a lot of other people who do that and yu haven't mentioned them in these topics... and I know that a lot of us have tried cheats, and  maybe a 50% as me, we have done that just to understand who were the cheaters... but the other 50% are just some bastard cheaters...

...BUT, here, there is also people that accuse also a simple keyremap??? that's weird after I think 10000 topics about keyremap and fr, that has no sense! And I can't understand yet, why people are so blind and stupid.   

ANO, if you suppose someone about cheating, write pm to MI:
"Please refer people who you know using this script" :-[

There is a public list of suspected cheaters?
By the way, I don't like to be a spy... And we have to refer just people who do leagues?

sniper ill make u an elite master, catch me in ag for some games putinho.

there is not any list yet, but MI promisted to check who cheats... no idea which way

you don't want to be a spy but if someone steals your money you still sit silent because don't want to be a spy? that's it. If they cheat, they should get pain.

Quote from: nino on June 19, 2011, 02:03 PM
sniper ill make u an elite master, catch me in ag for some games putinho.

Ok puto.

If someone steals my money, I am an italian massacre and I become violent. But nobody here has stolen my money I hope... xD
Btw, a suggestion could be that everyone who do fr post here an example of his own tap: video of replay with a little windows with a footage shot of hand on kb that plays in synchro like musical videos... but I don't think that there were a lot of people who could do that, because cheaters are like prisoners in a jail, they are all innocents hahha.

So the best way is to say who do cheat... in our own opinion... boh

Ban fr porra, that's all !   ::)

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 19, 2011, 02:31 PM
Ban fr porra, that's all !   ::)

Why "ban fr"? explain the reason.

Quote from: ANO on June 19, 2011, 02:32 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 19, 2011, 02:31 PM
Ban fr porra, that's all !   ::)

Why "ban fr"? explain the reason.

It shows how silly kid is Sniper and how it's easy to manipulate his brain.
I know he is jealous of ppl who got better skill than him, who can master timing with FR (which he has never been using).
that's why ;)

Quote from: ANO on June 19, 2011, 02:32 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 19, 2011, 02:31 PM
Ban fr porra, that's all !   ::)

Why "ban fr"? explain the reason.

Because none know who use script or fr, so ban will be fair.

Ahem, I don't think you can ban people from rolling their fingers.

That's really darn silly.

Quote from: Komito on June 19, 2011, 10:49 AM

Quote from: Stripe on June 19, 2011, 09:30 AM
Lets go further, lets ban ppl who have bigger monitors than my. They cheat with higher resolution!

That's me screwed then:


:'(

At least your spacebar is safe, you would break that desk sooner. :D

ffs.just stop with that "fr is cheat/ban fr" shits...it's getting pathetic.
If i would find my old 2 spaced kb,i would also upload a pic.

@Sniper,you annoyed many peoples with your cheating(god...this is not counter strike).It would be nice if you wouldn't start to also annoy all the players that use finger roll.We understand that you're going through the puberty stage,but...

Quote from: Csongi on June 19, 2011, 07:33 PM
ffs.just stop with that "fr is cheat/ban fr" shits...it's getting pathetic.
If i would find my old 2 spaced kb,i would also upload a pic.

@Sniper,you annoyed many peoples with your cheating(god...this is not counter strike).It would be nice if you wouldn't start to also annoy all the players that use finger roll.We understand that you're going through the puberty stage,but...

...so think about to squeeze yr pimples and not about fr xD

Quote from: Csongi on June 19, 2011, 07:33 PM
ffs.just stop with that "fr is cheat/ban fr" shits...it's getting pathetic.
If i would find my old 2 spaced kb,i would also upload a pic.

@Sniper,you annoyed many peoples with your cheating(god...this is not counter strike).It would be nice if you wouldn't start to also annoy all the players that use finger roll.We understand that you're going through the puberty stage,but...

Csongi, at least he still has got some sense of humour. Not like you "grown-so-much-up"s. Do you really think he is serious about banning fr or about banning bigger monitors? No offense, but you guys (Maciej, Cueshark, ANO, etc...) should take a little break!

Quote from: Prankster on June 19, 2011, 08:19 PM

Quote from: Csongi on June 19, 2011, 07:33 PM
ffs.just stop with that "fr is cheat/ban fr" shits...it's getting pathetic.
If i would find my old 2 spaced kb,i would also upload a pic.

@Sniper,you annoyed many peoples with your cheating(god...this is not counter strike).It would be nice if you wouldn't start to also annoy all the players that use finger roll.We understand that you're going through the puberty stage,but...

Csongi, at least he still has got some sense of humour. Not like you "grown-so-much-up"s. Do you really think he is serious about banning fr or about banning bigger monitors? No offense, but you guys (Maciej, Cueshark, ANO, etc...) should take a little break!

Amen to this, it's like the holy grail has been dishonored and you can't rest until someone has paid for it. He cheated got caught, his reputation is ruined (something that matters a lot in a small community) but still you can't go on? Try to relax, it's not the end of W:A.

Actually this is something very common in every game, but most of you over-exaggerate this. MI said it's banned, end of it? yes plz!

ye sniper dont even care to roper anymore, hes the next eliter pr0 porra!

that doesen't sounds ironically to me.
about the monitor stuff,it was said by Stripe,not Sniper.

and it's not me,maciej,cue or anyone else who doesen't lets this go...it's Sniper actually who brought up the "ban fr" thing.

and it's not that easy to overlook stuff like that for the players who have been learning/improving their finger roll over many years.

It's a common thing to have this kind of silly discussions around the family.. It's like marriage, always arguing about meaningless things.. In example like: "how could U leave your socks there?! put them in washing machine ffs!" ...or  "I'm so pissed off, why don't U close that toothpaste after U use it!!"
Problems, problems... ;x

Quote from: Ramone on June 19, 2011, 09:59 PM
It's a common thing to have this kind of silly discussions around the family.. It's like marriage, always arguing about meaningless things.. In example like: "how could U leave your socks there?! put them in washing machine ffs!" ...or  "I'm so pissed off, why don't U close that toothpaste after U use it!!"
Problems, problems... ;x

THIS!

Quote from: Ramone on June 19, 2011, 09:59 PM
It's a common thing to have this kind of silly discussions around the family.. It's like marriage, always arguing about meaningless things.. In example like: "how could U leave your socks there?! put them in washing machine ffs!" ...or  "I'm so pissed off, why don't U close that toothpaste after U use it!!"
Problems, problems... ;x

I was just about to get onto the subject of socks.  But you beat me to it!

hehe it seems this thread there always will be someone to (http://i54.tinypic.com/im30ox.gif)

BTW ae anubis huahuahua

Csongi! Show your fat ass on AG and let's play some trls! It's ttrr this season! ;D

I think that you all should relax a bit, and enjoy roping. Do freestyle without competition and feel the eternal happiness in your wormy souls! :D

Other thing...
Where is competition, there is a cheater too! And true cheater will always find a way!

Quote from: Cueshark on June 19, 2011, 10:37 PM

Quote from: Ramone on June 19, 2011, 09:59 PM
It's a common thing to have this kind of silly discussions around the family.. It's like marriage, always arguing about meaningless things.. In example like: "how could U leave your socks there?! put them in washing machine ffs!" ...or  "I'm so pissed off, why don't U close that toothpaste after U use it!!"
Problems, problems... ;x

I was just about to get onto the subject of socks.  But you beat me to it!

Yeh, as in: "banning fr 'socks' dick... " XD

Quote from: Prankster on June 19, 2011, 08:19 PM

Quote from: Csongi on June 19, 2011, 07:33 PM
ffs.just stop with that "fr is cheat/ban fr" shits...it's getting pathetic.
If i would find my old 2 spaced kb,i would also upload a pic.

@Sniper,you annoyed many peoples with your cheating(god...this is not counter strike).It would be nice if you wouldn't start to also annoy all the players that use finger roll.We understand that you're going through the puberty stage,but...

Csongi, at least he still has got some sense of humour. Not like you "grown-so-much-up"s. Do you really think he is serious about banning fr or about banning bigger monitors? No offense, but you guys (Maciej, Cueshark, ANO, etc...) should take a little break!

Hehuehe, you understand me ty, sometimes i try to joke but with my poor
english i can't and many haters understand like an offense.

Quote from: nino on June 19, 2011, 09:27 PM
ye sniper dont even care to roper anymore, hes the next eliter pr0 porra!

Elite ftw porra!

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
Amen to this, it's like the holy grail has been dishonored and you can't rest until someone has paid for it. He cheated got caught, his reputation is ruined (something that matters a lot in a small community) but still you can't go on? Try to relax, it's not the end of W:A.

Nah, his reputation isn't ruined mate, he's young, he made a mistake, if all these idiots would bring their f@#!ing noses to the same level as the rest of us they'd realise at least SnipeR isn't an arsehole, he realises he made mistake, apologised immediately, let's all act our age and help him out huh?

SnipeR, I still respect you, who gives a f@#! about RR anyway :P (joke)

Quote from: Komito on June 20, 2011, 07:01 AM

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
Amen to this, it's like the holy grail has been dishonored and you can't rest until someone has paid for it. He cheated got caught, his reputation is ruined (something that matters a lot in a small community) but still you can't go on? Try to relax, it's not the end of W:A.

Nah, his reputation isn't ruined mate, he's young, he made a mistake, if all these idiots would bring their f@#!ing noses to the same level as the rest of us they'd realise at least SnipeR isn't an arsehole, he realises he made mistake, apologised immediately, let's all act our age and help him out huh?
SnipeR, I still respect you, who gives a f@#! about RR anyway :P (joke)

+1 for that Komito, "reputation ruined"...really?

Quote from: Maciej on June 19, 2011, 11:08 PM
Csongi! Show your fat ass on AG

Neva!  8)

Quote from: Komito on June 20, 2011, 07:01 AM

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
Amen to this, it's like the holy grail has been dishonored and you can't rest until someone has paid for it. He cheated got caught, his reputation is ruined (something that matters a lot in a small community) but still you can't go on? Try to relax, it's not the end of W:A.

Nah, his reputation isn't ruined mate, he's young, he made a mistake, if all these idiots would bring their f@#!ing noses to the same level as the rest of us they'd realise at least SnipeR isn't an arsehole, he realises he made mistake, apologised immediately, let's all act our age and help him out huh?

SnipeR, I still respect you, who gives a f@#! about RR anyway :P (joke)

Well by the looks of the thread a lot of people don't treat him how you describe him and that's just because of this issue.

This is a script/macros http://shop.sextoysnolimits.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/1/11301_blow_up_dildo.jpg

This is a man who does fr ... He's tried a lot of kb xD
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061110210004/nonciclopedia/images/4/4c/Roccosiffredi.jpg

Women prefer the human dildo, yu know... The free birds. (and "men" also..for par conditio ahhaha)

jk, I wanted to break this atmosphere that it's becoming to be heavy and dirty.

jajjahajej

let's do a plan for this situaiton...?!

Well, I dont think there's much we can do, everyone will say their opinion, and thats fine, but if we take into consideration that most ppl in WA are either children or behave like children, then its simply a given that they'll behave like the self-righteous pricks that typing shit one thousand miles away from the other person allows them to do...

The internet generation isnt all that great, we can all agree on that probably.

On that note, I believe that anonymous applauds/smites are exactly the kinda thing weak and cowardly ppl use. I propose its made signed, like Facebook sort of. so that no one can just smite you and hide behind it, and at the same time applauding will make sense since ppl will show support without having to typing whole messages all the time if their opinion was expressed.

I'll copy this to suggestions.

Quote from: ANO on June 20, 2011, 02:24 PM
let's do a plan for this situaiton...?!

ban sniper forever :) PUÑETERO

Quote from: Gabriel on June 20, 2011, 07:38 PM

Quote from: ANO on June 20, 2011, 02:24 PM
let's do a plan for this situaiton...?!

ban sniper forever :) PUÑETERO

I agree, this cool game is not for cheaters and silly, irritating kids :) +

Quote from: Gabriel on June 20, 2011, 07:38 PM

Quote from: ANO on June 20, 2011, 02:24 PM
let's do a plan for this situaiton...?!

ban sniper forever :) PUÑETERO

Fff, i thought you was my friend, traitor.

Quote from: Maciej on June 20, 2011, 08:08 PM

Quote from: Gabriel on June 20, 2011, 07:38 PM

Quote from: ANO on June 20, 2011, 02:24 PM
let's do a plan for this situaiton...?!

ban sniper forever :) PUÑETERO

I agree, this cool game is not for cheaters and silly, irritating kids :) +

Who is talking uahuah !
People more irritating than you i had never seen, go waste
some years practicing your poor fr, tap with space better, anyway
for now i won't quote your posts.

I think the advantage you get by using this script is getting completely exaggerated... i mean it's not like you totally pwn by using this script, you still need to be a good roper to use it effectively. It's good that it's forbidden to use in league games, still i'm waiting for an answer about how it should be detected...

Afaic xspeed and stuff like that is the only thing that gives you a real advantage and that stuff is pretty easy to detect i think.

Quote from: chakkman on June 20, 2011, 09:53 PM
I think the advantage you get by using this script is getting completely exaggerated... i mean it's not like you totally pwn by using this script, you still need to be a good roper to use it effectively. It's good that it's forbidden to use in league games, still i'm waiting for an answer about how it should be detected...

Afaic xspeed and stuff like that is the only thing that gives you a real advantage and that stuff is pretty easy to detect i think.

Don't worry, i'm using space, now who was speaking bad things about me will respect me, or not.  :-X

edit: you can watch my last games (clanner).

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 20, 2011, 09:57 PM

Quote from: chakkman on June 20, 2011, 09:53 PM
I think the advantage you get by using this script is getting completely exaggerated... i mean it's not like you totally pwn by using this script, you still need to be a good roper to use it effectively. It's good that it's forbidden to use in league games, still i'm waiting for an answer about how it should be detected...

Afaic xspeed and stuff like that is the only thing that gives you a real advantage and that stuff is pretty easy to detect i think.

Don't worry, i'm using space, now who was speaking bad things about me will respect me, or not.  :-X

edit: you can watch my last games (clanner).

you think ppl will respect you now? It's silly thinking. You stopped to cheat ONLY because you would get banned, until there was only disscus about it, and when I told you months ago to stop cheating you didn't really care!

and Chakk, it gives you the real advantage, how many times I got blocked because of not perfect timing? It solves this problem. Anyway you can easy check which tap I got with it. For more this replay has been done after 2 days of inactivity, completly cold, but it is just pressing spaces like mad... But still, I have never got this tap before, even if I was warmed.

did i really get a warning for saying brazillians have no brains? first of all, its pretty f@#!ing true... second of all it was only a damn joke.. jeez..

i get a warning for a comment that was only meant for a laugh, but some f@#!in idiot who is cheating and pretends he didnt know he was cheating remains in the league, and un-warned? thats interesting...

i dont really mind, because the truth is, i like the green dot and the warning by my name... i just think its crazy that sniper goes free...

cuz as KRD stated, it ALWAYS has been in the rules.. everyone knows useing a program to enhance your KB is a cheat... using a program to simpley change keys, obviously not... but any f@#!in KB enhancing program is a cheat, and no matter your age, 14, or 44... u know that...whatever

hahha u got a green dot!! u lucky bitch!!

i have been banned from shoutbox XD

i see a lot of ppl from this league look after of cheaters .. its sad

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 20, 2011, 01:56 PM

Quote from: Komito on June 20, 2011, 07:01 AM

Quote from: DeathInFire on June 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
Amen to this, it's like the holy grail has been dishonored and you can't rest until someone has paid for it. He cheated got caught, his reputation is ruined (something that matters a lot in a small community) but still you can't go on? Try to relax, it's not the end of W:A.

Nah, his reputation isn't ruined mate, he's young, he made a mistake, if all these idiots would bring their f@#!ing noses to the same level as the rest of us they'd realise at least SnipeR isn't an arsehole, he realises he made mistake, apologised immediately, let's all act our age and help him out huh?

SnipeR, I still respect you, who gives a f@#! about RR anyway :P (joke)

Well by the looks of the thread a lot of people don't treat him how you describe him and that's just because of this issue.

That's because they are selfish pricks.

Avi, u made me confused saying such thing, iam going to doctor today and make an exam to see if he can detect something inside my coconut, ill let u know if he find something. hauhaua

fu script wormers!

Quote from: nino on June 21, 2011, 09:27 AM
Avi, u made me confused saying such thing, iam going to doctor today and make an exam to see if he can detect something inside my coconut, ill let u know if he find something. hauhaua

*awesome irony detected* :D

Malandro é o sniper !!

Anomaly uses the script.

Kindergarten ! x'D

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 21, 2011, 06:45 PM
Anomaly uses the script.

If can't use who i know that uses won't use anymore.
Just watch:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-74902/

If can't use who i know that uses won't use anymore.

oh lol...try to learn more english sniper cause even google translator gives me error message...peace i am out here ;p

Quote from: Alien on June 21, 2011, 07:04 PM
If can't use who i know that uses won't use anymore.

oh lol...try to learn more english sniper cause even google translator gives me error message...peace i am out here ;p

UEHUEHUEHEUHEUHEUHEU ¬¬

when are u going to ban this lil dumb zillian?

Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 07:49 PM
when are u going to ban this lil dumb zillian?

At least i'm not saying shits (swear-words) everytime, like Chileans.

lol.

LOL sniper... do not need it ..only u

avi, just to let u know, exams showed something inside my coconut, and doctor said when i die, it will grow a lot and get the size of an olive, sooo i have a brain  ;)


hAUahuAHauhAUHa

But what does your doctor have inside his coconut? ???

I think it is time to lock this.

@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?
@Devilage, Your language is getting disturbing man. How about skipping the green dot?

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 21, 2011, 08:04 PM

Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 07:49 PM
when are u going to ban this lil dumb zillian?

At least i'm not saying shits (swear-words) everytime, like Chileans.

>>> Im not kurwa saying shits (swear-words) everytime. Really not xD

Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 07:49 PM
when are u going to ban this lil dumb zillian?

I was wondering same :)

can u guys give sniper a break alrdy?

Yes, MI, lock it please before it gets as far as an avirex-Komito arguing. x| :D

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?

Maybe right but then a lot of other guys should be ashamed too... also i don't really get the fuss about this. There's always been cheating on worms, i remember lyte used some tool like xspeed on wwp, Anubis or MrE's completely pwnage roping isn't real either (i mean seriously noone on earth has such reflexes or hand-eye coordination or even such quick fingers). Strangely noone doubts their repuation while every1 doubts Sniper's. :)

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM
i mean seriously noone on earth has such reflexes or hand-eye coordination or even such quick fingers

The Chinese, man, the Chinese. We've seen nothing yet.

Quote from: Rok on June 22, 2011, 11:58 AM

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM
i mean seriously noone on earth has such reflexes or hand-eye coordination or even such quick fingers

The Chinese, man, the Chinese. We've seen nothing yet.

LMAO !!! +1 man !! g1 haha xD

But... those are authority controlled robots!

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?

Maybe right but then a lot of other guys should be ashamed too... also i don't really get the fuss about this. There's always been cheating on worms, i remember lyte used some tool like xspeed on wwp, Anubis or MrE's completely pwnage roping isn't real either (i mean seriously noone on earth has such reflexes or hand-eye coordination or even such quick fingers). Strangely noone doubts their repuation while every1 doubts Sniper's. :)

Great post. I heard about programs like x-speed waaaaaaay before it was found being used on w:a. Some oldschool w2'r told me about it in like 99' and I thought he was talking shit and that it was impossible ( I knew even less about computers then).

I'm sure there is more programs that are currently being used and there was a lot more people then sniper who was using this script. Sniper should be commended for saying exactly what he was using and opening peoples eyes to it.  

Quote from: Dub-c on June 22, 2011, 12:02 PMI'm sure there is more programs that are currently being used and there was a lot more people then sniper who was using this script. Sniper should be commended for saying exactly what he was using and opening peoples eyes to it.  

Bravo man, well said :)

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
I think it is time to lock this.

@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?
@Devilage, Your language is getting disturbing man. How about skipping the green dot?

Ok, but someone always comes and post something to make me angry.  :-X

+1 for all.   ::)

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM
Maybe right but then a lot of other guys should be ashamed too... also i don't really get the fuss about this. There's always been cheating on worms, i remember lyte used some tool like xspeed on wwp,

sorry but I have to point this out; even though I didn't like Lyte/Slawek too much at wwp times, I gotta say he wasn't a cheater. There were no cheaters on WWP because the game hardly allowed it. Apart from the old constipated silkworm which was f@#!ing ugly, useless and easy to detect it. /OT
I agree with the rest of what you said, well said man, also Dub-c :)

Quote from: Dub-c on June 22, 2011, 12:02 PM

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?

Maybe right but then a lot of other guys should be ashamed too... also i don't really get the fuss about this. There's always been cheating on worms, i remember lyte used some tool like xspeed on wwp, Anubis or MrE's completely pwnage roping isn't real either (i mean seriously noone on earth has such reflexes or hand-eye coordination or even such quick fingers). Strangely noone doubts their repuation while every1 doubts Sniper's. :)

Great post. I heard about programs like x-speed waaaaaaay before it was found being used on w:a. Some oldschool w2'r told me about it in like 99' and I thought he was talking shit and that it was impossible ( I knew even less about computers then).

I'm sure there is more programs that are currently being used and there was a lot more people then sniper who was using this script. Sniper should be commended for saying exactly what he was using and opening peoples eyes to it.  

Very well said by both of you. Sniper is not a coward, the cowards are the ones letting Sniper take all the shit from people, while they go free. We all know he`s not the only one using it (or atleast was using it until this was detected).

Quote from: Leroy on June 22, 2011, 02:42 PM

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 11:55 AM
Maybe right but then a lot of other guys should be ashamed too... also i don't really get the fuss about this. There's always been cheating on worms, i remember lyte used some tool like xspeed on wwp,

sorry but I have to point this out; even though I didn't like Lyte/Slawek too much at wwp times, I gotta say he wasn't a cheater. There were no cheaters on WWP because the game hardly allowed it. Apart from the old constipated silkworm which was f@#!ing ugly, useless and easy to detect it. /OT
I agree with the rest of what you said, well said man, also Dub-c :)

Tools like xspeed manipulate the way your cpu works, not the game itself. So, yes, it is possible to cheat on wwp. :) Same goes for AHK, that would work on wwp too because it manipulates the way your keyboard behaves not the game. Solo once posted on cbc-wwp forum that lyte used some tool btw, i doubt his own clan mate would lie about that. :)

kk but it would lag as hell! anyway i'll ask SoLo about that.

by the way I tried UWT on wwp just to see if it'd work and it doesn't  ::)

UWT is a simple script.. It's just a guess but UWT is timed for 50fps which WA has - since WWP only has 30fps (if I remember correctly), it's out of sync there..

Quote from: darKz on June 22, 2011, 05:55 PM
UWT is a simple script.. It's just a guess but UWT is timed for 50fps which WA has - since WWP only has 30fps (if I remember correctly), it's out of sync there..

Who started this myth about WWP not running at 50 fps? Third time I'm hearing it recently and I just have no idea where it came from!

I have to also say that I find it ridiculous that a cheater should be praised for "opening the eyes of the community" by publicly posting his cheat for anyone to modify and use after getting caught. The people who truly wanted to find out why some relatively new players were tapping like a boss knew already. Those who didn't have the time or motivation to find out were surely better off not being paranoid about it, right? It's not like there's anything else they could/would do. At least that's the vibe I got from MI when we were talking about some problematic challenge submissions a while ago.

Sorry for not doing any research on my claim beforehand, blame the evil aliens who implanted that 'fact' into my brain! :P

it wasn't me, i am friendly and came in peace to your planet ! O;

Actually i read the same thing on t17 forums (the 30fps thing). I think it was related to the thing that you sometimes miss a tap on wwp... sounded feasible to me but well, what do i know. :)

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 22, 2011, 06:30 PM

Quote from: darKz on June 22, 2011, 05:55 PM
UWT is a simple script.. It's just a guess but UWT is timed for 50fps which WA has - since WWP only has 30fps (if I remember correctly), it's out of sync there..

Who started this myth about WWP not running at 50 fps? Third time I'm hearing it recently and I just have no idea where it came from!

The first person who I heard stating it was sir Ropa. So yeah, I'm going to blame him  :P

Oh Hai Nogard!

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 22, 2011, 08:37 AM
I think it is time to lock this.

@SnipeR`, How about some shame, getting quiet and fixing your roping issue?
@Devilage, Your language is getting disturbing man. How about skipping the green dot?

Can't help it dude I liek to talk like this and I don't think I'll change, a green dot well do it I can smoke it :) if u don't like swear words just make a filter.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 22, 2011, 06:30 PM
....
At least that's the vibe I got from MI when we were talking about some problematic challenge submissions a while ago.

I love MI's vibes, were always positive and good ones..  . . \\\
I love the fact that U two at least talk to each other.. .  ;x

Spot a cheater?
Mofos.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 22, 2011, 06:30 PMI have to also say that I find it ridiculous that a cheater should be praised for "opening the eyes of the community" by publicly posting his cheat for anyone to modify and use after getting caught.

If you'd get off your f@#!ing high horse and stop trying to be a know it all, then maybe you'd understand why.

Quote from: Komito on June 23, 2011, 06:51 AM

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 22, 2011, 06:30 PMI have to also say that I find it ridiculous that a cheater should be praised for "opening the eyes of the community" by publicly posting his cheat for anyone to modify and use after getting caught.

If you'd get off your f@#!ing high horse and stop trying to be a know it all, then maybe you'd understand why.

what?  krd is f@#!ing right


if u wanna look like a good person or something like that cos of "oh poor sniper everyone is bashing him cos he cheat", thats not the way lol ...  sniper cheated and he deserve to be punished

but well ... it looks like nof@#!ingone is gonna do something about it...   

The only point in favor of SnipeR is that he initially didn't even know it was a cheat. He negated this point though by playing more league games after his script was declared a cheat. :)

Anyway, better close this thread imo.

Guaton, I ain't trying to look like anything, i'm telling it like it is, there will always be people on either side, I think logically it's a good thing we now know about this, why wouldn't it be, and I praise Sniper for being honest, even if it's a little late, he's doing the right thing, how can't you see that?

if my general Pinochet would have been here as mod , he would have pwned sniper ... xd

General Kirocheat? xD

Quote from: chakkman on June 22, 2011, 04:46 PM
Tools like xspeed manipulate the way your cpu works, not the game itself. So, yes, it is possible to cheat on wwp. :) Same goes for AHK, that would work on wwp too because it manipulates the way your keyboard behaves not the game. Solo once posted on cbc-wwp forum that lyte used some tool btw, i doubt his own clan mate would lie about that. :)

Nope, xSpeed doesn't let you cheat on worms online except when all players use it with same delay/acceleration. Otherwise user will cause lag and eventually crash the game.

Looks like the next challenge will be xspeed rr - free for everyone! ;x

What's the big difference between xspeed and all the wkits that everyone uses with legacy these days? Same shit wrapped in a different pack. . .

As for roping, it's all fine as long there's tourneys like this: http://wormolympics.com/t63#results (http://wormolympics.com/t63#results)
Human judges can't be on xspeed, no way.. So U'll always know whos those real mastas on rope.. ;x

Is there anything wrong with using a macro? No. If you want to mess around with scripts for fun then go ahead and enjoy yourself, aint nothing wrong with it. I use an auto enter script to drop hundreds of weapons in rubber games, good fun. It is however wrong to use it in a competitive game as it allows you to do things that you wouldnt otherwise be able to without the script. Even with this in mind, people who use scripts usually have poor roping skills. They are just as likely to lose to a better roper with the script as they are without the script.

I see whining about people using 2 spaces here... get a grip. Aint nothing wrong with using two spaces, anyone can do it. It isnt going to make you any better whatsoever. It takes just as much skill and timing to rope quickly with 2 spaces as it does with one. To all you people whining about using two spaces, go set up two spaces, you wont rope any better than you do now, in fact you will be worse. The fact that people take the time to modify their kb in order to try and gain an edge is a good thing, anyone can do it. If you're too lazy to modify your kb then fine, but dont complain about other people doing it seeing as if you wanted to you could also do it yourself.

There is a HUGE misconception that people have in relation to roping. People seem to think that the faster you can push space, the faster you can rope. Any roper knows that the key to fast roping, is TIMING! We all know that, so it baffles me when I see experienced players continue to whine about the "unfair advantage" that using two spaces gives a player. I also saw it mentioned somewhere before that you cannot physically shoot the rope faster with two spaces than you can with one. Once your arrow control and tap timing is on point, then you can work at doing everything faster. We've all seen crap ropers who go to the roof and do fast tapping... it just looks dumb. Without arrow control and timing the ability to press space fast is completely redundant.

Thirdly Ive seen silly comments in here about people gaining an "unfair" advantage because they have better equipment than other people. This is an utterly ridiculous argument. Firstly, spending money on a "good" keyboard isnt going to make you a better roper. As long as your keyboard doesnt have keylock then you're good to go. I used a crappy old compaq for the first few years of playing worms, then I bought a tarantula. I could rope just as fast as I could with the compaq. The keyboard is obviously nicer, but did it make me a better player? Nope. Timing comes from within.

We all love this game, we all put hours into this game. If I join a tennis club after some time im gonna buy a better racket. If I join a golf club im gonna get a nice set of clubs sooner or later. If I join a running club then eventually im gonna pay for a quality pair of trainers. If I spend many hours playing games on the computer, it makes sense to buy a better keyboard.

Would an average sprinter be able to beat an olympic sprinter in a race with the best pair of trainers money can buy? No. The olympic athlete would win even in his bare feet. The point im making is that skill comes with persistence and time. There is no quick fix thats gonna make you a super fast roper over night, we all know that. So quit whining about people buying a better keyboard or using two spaces... just concentrate on YOUR game and work to be the best player YOU can. Dont worry about what other people are doing.

With regards to the OP, scripts should definitely be banned from "serious" games.

Quote from: NAiL on June 24, 2011, 07:13 AM

Nicely said!

Good post Nail, timing is the most important thing in roping of course, especially with 2 spaces. But this script allows you to fudge this problem (this timing), because spaces work whenever you press them. That's what I wanted to add.

Nice post Nail, but I disagree with some parts of your "better equipment" bit, without a doubt, keyboards with no keylock are easier to rope with than keyboards with keylock, and most keyboards without keylock do cost more, not that it matters because like I said, I bought a £5 keyboard, which Spacebar sucks, but using keychanger Left Control makes it perfect, I totally agree modifying your own keyboard, in any way that doesn't rid the need of skill should be legit, and it pretty much is anyway, more generally speaking though, the best quality things in life are more expensive, that's just the way it is, but like you said, money isn't worth any amount when/where raw natural talent and skill is needed.

I think "fast taps" are more useful in TTRR than in Roper, especially if it's a tight RR map, if you know what I mean?

In Roper, for me it's all about quickly observing where my crate lands, and deciding which moves to use to collect it and get back as fast as possible with as little risk as possible, when I have an easy crate, I will literally slow right down and act as if I have all day, like if it's a crate possible to collect and attack in 5-6 seconds, i'll still take as close to 15 seconds as possible to do the job, if I have a hard crate, I try to use as little connections of the rope as possible, instead of doing a spike, or a shadow, i'll try and fly down without even doing a spike/shadow, by doing this it gives you the right momentum to pick the crate up and throw yourself back up, saving very valuable seconds.

I see so many Ropers see a hard crate, and do like 20 taps along the roof thinking it made them faster, but it doesn't lol, I think it's perfection seeing someone rope so slow, yet get from A to B and back and attack so fast and efficiently...

+1 for that Prank because it made me laugh (and laughter makes the world go round), not because I particularly agree or disagree with NAiL's post.

Quote from: Guaton on June 23, 2011, 12:30 PM
if my general Pinochet would have been here as mod , he would have pwned sniper ... xd

way off lol.

Komo, regardless.

Fast taps are nothing without fast control, this is the point I am trying to emphasises.

As to the argument "keyboards without keylock are more expensive". I dont even think this is categorically true. Even if it is true, come on guys. If you are sitting with a roof over your head and a computer within your grasp, you can afford a $15 dollar keyboard without keylock. If you REALLY cant afford a keyboard without keylock (which I doubt is the case for anyone on here), thats your problem. Save 1 dollar a week for 15 weeks and then buy one, dont be silly now.

Well spoken NAiL.

Quote from: Ramone on June 23, 2011, 09:48 PM
What's the big difference between xspeed and all the wkits that everyone uses with legacy these days? Same shit wrapped in a different pack. . .

Trolololo lollolo lollolo loo

Quote from: NAiL on June 24, 2011, 08:59 AMSave 1 dollar a week for 15 weeks and then buy one, dont be silly now.

Indeed, that's what I done to buy everything I got, save save save :)

Quote from: Devilage on June 24, 2011, 08:22 AM

Quote from: Guaton on June 23, 2011, 12:30 PM
if my general Pinochet would have been here as mod , he would have pwned sniper ... xd

way off lol.

sup , are u a rojito ? xDD


i was just joking , i dont even care about politics , dont worry u comunist . xD

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGVSPPku0gVP67nCXi3PZaTZpqCowXM8FFl7zlFKLY5O_IVsPc)

ehh... i dont eve care about this anymore.... this topic is going nowhere...



i delete my post.. pointless

Quote from: Guaton on June 24, 2011, 12:04 PM

Quote from: Devilage on June 24, 2011, 08:22 AM

Quote from: Guaton on June 23, 2011, 12:30 PM
if my general Pinochet would have been here as mod , he would have pwned sniper ... xd

way off lol.

sup , are u a rojito ? xDD


i was just joking , i dont even care about politics , dont worry u comunist . xD

=)

Quote from: SnipeR` on June 16, 2011, 02:03 PM
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1 space now.

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Some personalities sure shine in this topic!

you use finger roll with 1 finger now Sniper? lmao, he didn't stop to cheat, check this replay

Who cares? You use 2 fingers to get an advantage . . . . he uses 2 fingers plus to get an advantage over you. Use 1 finger then bitch about him

I use allowed thing which doesn't change physics of the game, and he/they simply cheat/s, which is highly forbidden in league, and MI requested to write potential cheaters here :)
Dub, don't take a word in this topic if you are gonna only trolling because you are jealous of ppl who he can master finger roll.

Maciej calm down lol, you are acting like a kid, we get the f@#!ing point ;) You hate Sniper and fact that he cheats, f@#!ing shutup already mate lol xD

(http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2010/10/07/STFU_NOOB.jpg_1286408190.jpg)

so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

i would like to see how u play with that "beautiful" space  ...


doesnt matter tho , u are gonna be always a cheater in front of my eyes

Quote from: Guaton on July 14, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

i would like to see how u play with that "beautiful" space  ...


doesnt matter tho , u are gonna be always a cheater in front of my eyes

Np, atleast i'm not using this anymore, and i don't insult peoples while playing, and there is lot of players that still using, but they are too much cowards for say something. Dx
Btw, u can smite me everyday for discharge ur ar anger, i don't care. :)

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:14 PM

Quote from: Guaton on July 14, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

i would like to see how u play with that "beautiful" space  ...


doesnt matter tho , u are gonna be always a cheater in front of my eyes

Np, atleast i'm not using this anymore, and i don't insult peoples while playing, and there is lot of players that still using, but they are too much cowards for say something. Dx
Btw, u can smite me everyday for discharge ur ar anger, i don't care. :)

wtf u talking about xD  im talking seriously i havent smited u in some time lol why should i waste another click on u? this posts are already too much lol

Quote from: Guaton on July 14, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

i would like to see how u play with that "beautiful" space  ...


doesnt matter tho , u are gonna be always a cheater in front of my eyes

I just had to appluad it, cheaters are cheaters, and what about your single space it's questionable, because I couldn't stop using 2 fingers now that easy (it's like starting finger roll, you try to use 2 fingers now, while you are still habitted to one, Guaton should know something about it, cos if I'm not wrong, he used fr and stopped it?), while you got fast, timing tap again with 1 space, from day to day! Impressive!

Quote from: Maciej on July 14, 2011, 11:55 PM

Quote from: Guaton on July 14, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Devilage on July 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
so monkeyislad... u r not gonna make any penalty for the cheater?

Today we win a ttrr clanner, and i'm playing with my beautiful space, it's the reason that u started this thread again, cause angry ?

i would like to see how u play with that "beautiful" space  ...


doesnt matter tho , u are gonna be always a cheater in front of my eyes

I just had to appluad it, cheaters are cheaters, and what about your single space it's questionable, because I couldn't stop using 2 fingers now that easy (it's like starting finger roll, you try to use 2 fingers now, while you are still habitted to one, Guaton should know something about it, cos if I'm not wrong, he used fr and stopped it?), while you got fast, timing tap again with 1 space, from day to day! Impressive!

xD no , i used to play with two spaces , but i stoped tx to some ppl like you , mo0 , and few more.
they used to call me cheater cos i was using 2 spaces xDD (i felt rly bad actually , cos if im right , mo0 left nlf cos i joined lol :( )  

so i started to learn how to play with spacebar with fr , i did it , and it was easy fortunately

im gonna put 2 videos of my roping in some minuts :p

Dämn cheaters anyway. So annoying to rope against ppl that u know that use some shit but u can do nothing. Elite only clannors ftw-.-

And dunno why everyone is just talking about sniper here as its possible to find more script wormers from this topic.

Quote from: NinjaCamel on July 15, 2011, 12:44 AM
And dunno why everyone is just talking about sniper here as its possible to find more script wormers from this topic.

pff , be a man and point that ppl with ur finger , better if we find out more cheaters around here , not bla bla pls

Quote from: Guaton on July 15, 2011, 12:53 AM

pff , be a man and point that ppl with ur finger , better if we find out more cheaters around here , not bla bla pls

"None knows I used 2 cheat" -camper

How did u miss that? lol. And smok told me about the "weird" script from sw wormers over year ago.

Quote from: NinjaCamel on July 15, 2011, 01:09 AM

Quote from: Guaton on July 15, 2011, 12:53 AM

pff , be a man and point that ppl with ur finger , better if we find out more cheaters around here , not bla bla pls

"None knows I used 2 cheat" -camper

How did u miss that? lol. And smok told me about the "weird" script from sw wormers over year ago.

lmfao i did  miss that

Quote from: NinjaCamel on July 15, 2011, 12:44 AM
And dunno why everyone is just talking about sniper here as its possible to find more script wormers from this topic.

They don't want to know if i am cheater or not, if i stopped it or anything, they just hate me,you already realized that they are talking shit about me everytime and noone more ?
Guaton, Maciej, Devilage, my fans haters, have fun hating me.   :D

@Devilage,
pm me the names with link to their suspecious replays.

@Others,
Thanks for fulfilling this thread. I'm gonna put the thread down to rest.