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Title: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Husk on June 25, 2013, 07:18 PM
feels good man
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on June 26, 2013, 02:04 PM
Who gets to pick the map 1st?

When the groups are decided, maybe HHC you could use some website, put the names in 2 at a time who is vs each other, and like, picks one randomly, and save results and they get to pick map 1st?

Or something similar...
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on June 26, 2013, 02:25 PM
Who gets to pick the map 1st?

When the groups are decided, maybe HHC you could use some website, put the names in 2 at a time who is vs each other, and like, picks one randomly, and save results and they get to pick map 1st?

Or something similar...

The host ?

Shouldn't be hard to agree on maps. Feel free to deny a map if it sucks ass.
If you can't agree on a map together you may just win the 5 euro steam credit that comes with the biggest idiot on wormnet award.  ;D
No seriously, roper maps are generally fair. Just pick a standard one like the Mablak's or something like that and you should be fine.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on June 26, 2013, 02:41 PM
I'll just have to be forceful then & make sure I host :D
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on June 30, 2013, 09:47 AM
Closing at 16  :)

Gogogo ppl  8)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 01, 2013, 06:59 AM
2 more people needed  :)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Husk on July 01, 2013, 01:23 PM
now?
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 01, 2013, 02:49 PM
Sure!


There we go :) 2 weeks to play as usual. Good luck people  ;)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Kyho on July 01, 2013, 02:52 PM
omg im in group with swastik ?-.- -.- -.- -.- -.-
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Statik on July 01, 2013, 02:56 PM
I prefer weekends, but if you'll see me online other days then we can play probably :)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Husk on July 01, 2013, 02:57 PM
mod!?!??!?! I think in my group HHC avoiding me
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 02, 2013, 09:33 PM
Good news people. Husk has upped the prize money to 30 euro's  8)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Aerox on July 07, 2013, 03:58 PM
good luck

so which one is the group of death? i'd say the last one or the second but I'm not really up to date with the level of most people
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on July 08, 2013, 06:59 AM
Hmm, i'd say last group :)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on July 13, 2013, 01:37 AM
Almost deadline, chaps. Good luck with your remaining games.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 13, 2013, 11:17 AM
Yeah people, I see a lot of inactive players  :(

2 weeks is the final deadline, play or gtfo!  ;D
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 14, 2013, 07:15 PM
Added a week to the deadline, cause so few games played.   :(

Make me proud  ;)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on July 14, 2013, 07:22 PM
I can't get a hold of Crok whatsoever...
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Husk on July 15, 2013, 01:49 AM
me neither, until I added him in skype: Mihnea Lazăr, the one from Cluj-Napoca, Romania.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Crok on July 15, 2013, 07:08 AM
Here I am! Sorry about this, my appearances are sporadic. :D
Feel free to add me on skype, or on Windows Live, but usually when I'm free to play, I'm on snooper.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on July 15, 2013, 07:23 AM
Crok, please let us know the times you play, so we can arrange our games, we only have 7 days left !

Cheers !
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 22, 2013, 01:21 PM
knockouts are up  :)

Gl hf all  8)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Hussar on July 22, 2013, 01:35 PM
why u kicked me ? i pleyed more games then statik  :(

also won more games..
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Rok on July 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
Yeah, HHC, what's up with that?
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 22, 2013, 03:41 PM
why u kicked me ? i pleyed more games then statik  :(

also won more games..

- The correct order of placements in the groups is decided by:
1) overall record (with 1-1 being better than 1-2)
2) rounds record (BOTH rounds won AND rounds lost)
3) mutual result (between tied players)
4) if all of the above are the same, I count worms (and after HP's of worms if the same).

Overall record of Statik is better. 1-0 > 1-1.
Rounds aren't considered for overall record, only when the overall is the same.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Rok on July 22, 2013, 04:33 PM
That's ridiculous.

Given that berria played both his games before statik played his first one, statik had no incentive to play his second game (quite the contrary, playing with random00 could've made situtation worse for him if he lost 2:0). He just needed to wait for the deadline.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 22, 2013, 04:57 PM
Given that berria played both his games before statik played his first one, statik had no incentive to play his second game (quite the contrary, playing with random00 could've made situtation worse for him if he lost 2:0). He just needed to wait for the deadline.

Given that you're not participating in this cup, nor are a cup mod, you have no business here making drama.

On the subject: it's not true. Berria played ssm this morning, after the deadline had passed and after statik had finished his game.
There are drawbacks to the system, I can see that, but all ways to settle draws do have 'em. What if Statik's opponents weren't motivated anymore to finish their games. Would it be right to kick Statik out even though he was never able to finish his matches?

People tend to solve this with extending deadlines, which may be right, but it does delay everything. The group stage was already delayed a full week. If I have to choose between 1-0 and 1-1 I go for 1-0 as the better record. That may benefit the inactive player, but IMO it's a better record than 1-1.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on July 22, 2013, 05:21 PM
I think it's the wrong decision as well, berria put the effort in, he deserves to go through, statik could always lose his other games, it's always been like that...
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Rok on July 22, 2013, 05:32 PM
Given that you're not participating in this cup, nor are a cup mod, you have no business here making drama.

That's not worth responding to.

On the subject: it's not true. Berria played ssm this morning, after the deadline had passed and after statik had finished his game.
There are drawbacks to the system, I can see that, but all ways to settle draws do have 'em. What if Statik's opponents weren't motivated anymore to finish their games. Would it be right to kick Statik out even though he was never able to finish his matches?

My bad, I looked top-to-bottom insted bottom-up.

People tend to solve this with extending deadlines, which may be right, but it does delay everything. The group stage was already delayed a full week. If I have to choose between 1-0 and 1-1 I go for 1-0 as the better record. That may benefit the inactive player, but IMO it's a better record than 1-1.

You can't even meaningfully compare 1-0 and 1-1, not in a round-robin group where all games are supposed to happen.  You can chose to discard the game that was reported after the deadline. Then it's 1:0 for statik and 0:1 for berria. Can you accurately tell who did better given that they didn't play against the same opponents? I don't think so.

The best you can IMO do here is assign results of games that didn't happen as draws.

You then get

              Random00   Berria   Statik  ssm
Random00      X             2         1       2     = 5
Berria             1              X         1      1     = 3
Statik             1              1         X       1    = 3
ssm                0              0         0       X    = 1

Still a tie.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on July 22, 2013, 05:55 PM
There's something odd about your table there, Rok. Why is Statik's win over _ssm_ only 1-0 while Random's win over _ssm_ is 2-0? Same applies to Berria's win while I'm at it, so that would put them both at 4 round wins. Round losses is a different matter, though, Statik would win that.

On the other hand...

What if Statik's opponents weren't motivated anymore to finish their games. Would it be right to kick Statik out even though he was never able to finish his matches?

What if Statik is the problem? The only games missing are the ones where Statik is involved. Clearly, his other opponents found each other, but Statik didn't. I don't see any evidence of any of the players on this forum that they were trying to find each other (I don't count Statik's as a valid attempt, mind, because if he actually were that active on AG, Random and Berria would have found him).

Personally, I don't advance people if they've only played one game unless they have clearly shown me that have tried their best to find their opponent. Simple reason: if they can't be arsed to find their opponent in the group phase, then they probably can't be arsed to find their opponent in the KO phase either.
So I wouldn't have proceeded Statik here, myself.
But I don't consider proceeding Statik to be a mistake, either, because there's a motivation behind advancing Statik. Just a matter of taste, I suppose. Just don't be surprised if Statik is a no-show in the KO ;)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Statik on July 22, 2013, 06:14 PM
<3 Netherlands guys :D Sorry I couldn't put much effort into arranging games, me & Random tried to, but I didn't hear a word from Berria...
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on July 22, 2013, 07:01 PM
Tip if you ever participate in one of my cups: if you don't post in the cup forum or send me a PM, I can't see that you're trying and will therefore assume that you're not trying ;)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Rok on July 22, 2013, 07:52 PM
There's something odd about your table there, Rok. Why is Statik's win over _ssm_ only 1-0 while Random's win over _ssm_ is 2-0? Same applies to Berria's win while I'm at it, so that would put them both at 4 round wins. Round losses is a different matter, though, Statik would win that.

Typo, I guess. Doesn't change a thing, though, they're tied.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 28, 2013, 04:00 PM
ae guys, whats keeping random/twistah & free/kyhoo?
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on July 29, 2013, 10:48 AM
Final deadline for quarter finals is wednesday, then we start semi's  :)


The next cup will be moved to mid-august btw. Bit busy atm and I'll be gone in the last 2 weeks of august, so yeah, I'm planning regular group stage of the next cup for those weeks. The cup in september will move to october and so forth.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: twistah on July 31, 2013, 06:11 AM
gogo dt for all first 3 places. just need to kill random and komito, woop
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 01, 2013, 04:46 PM
Random was away on vacation, thats why the game isnt played yet. It will get done soon.

Deadline for semi's is next week's weekend.  :)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Random00 on August 01, 2013, 07:17 PM
gogo dt for all first 3 places. just need to kill random and komito, woop

then it would be awesome if you could respond to my PM first, so we can arrange a date ;)
Im available weekdays from 6pm-10pm GMT. Friday I can play earlier starting from 1pm GMT
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: twistah on August 04, 2013, 08:14 PM
monday prolly, random
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Random00 on August 05, 2013, 07:37 AM
we agreed on playing tonight, 20:00 gmt
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on August 05, 2013, 09:04 PM
I hope you didn't forget!
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Random00 on August 05, 2013, 09:13 PM
my post here was wrong... we agreed on 8pm our time, which is 18:00 GMT.
But anyway, I was there from 17:30 GMT until now and there was no sign of twistah at all :/
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 05, 2013, 09:15 PM
Ouch  :(

Twistah, I'm leaving you till wednesday to find Random on wormnet and get the game done. Otherwise Random proceeds.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 08, 2013, 01:01 AM
Kay, proceeded Random.

Deadline for the semi's is next week wednesday. Get it done lads, the big prize is waiting  ;)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 14, 2013, 09:09 AM
Alright, time for the final, at last  ;D

Random vs Free.

Komito dropped out of the cup. So the bronze goes to statik.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Statik on August 14, 2013, 09:19 AM
damn I hoped to face one of the bestest ropers... but he dropped :(
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: TheKomodo on August 14, 2013, 02:53 PM
Sorry mate, just had no interest in WA since I got my new PC, and this cup moved so slow I couldn't have the time to keep practising and I got bored.

Sorry !
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: Free on August 14, 2013, 03:35 PM
Random, Monday 19GMT?
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on August 18, 2013, 04:34 AM
Deadline is almost up, guys.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 18, 2013, 12:34 PM
DarkOne, did you fux with my medals?  ???

They seemed all messed up when I uploaded them, but they are all good now, with transparent background even :o
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on August 18, 2013, 08:21 PM
Nope
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on August 21, 2013, 07:38 AM
Congratulations to the medal winners :)
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: HHC on August 21, 2013, 08:10 AM
ae, congrats Random, I'll contact you about the steam business when I get back home. I don't have the ability to pay for shit here :s
Sorry if that means you'll miss out on some nice steam sales  :-[

Will also do the standings and stuff when I'm on my normal cpu.
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: twistah on August 27, 2013, 12:07 PM
shame on this. why did random move to the next round, when i never found him on ag? in the end i only couldnt make the date we set. w/e ^^. gj, tho, random
Title: Re: Cup #591, ASC 2013 #2: Roper
Post by: DarkOne on August 27, 2013, 05:55 PM
If you can't find your opponent, get your ass on forums to actively find him/her. Rule of thumb in cups.