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Title: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 05, 2014, 10:21 AM
So the best game of the decade (most likely dozens of decades) is about to come out in roughly a week for USA and a couple of days after in Europe.
The game isn't region locked so you can play with whoever be it in Japan, USA or Europe.
I'll be playing it on the PS3 and a couple of weeks later on PC, when it comes out.
If you tried Dark Souls and it wasn't for you (you probably don't like games at all or never gave it a true chance) this time around the game is more accesible for newcomers. It still doesn't hold your hand and if you want to know anything about the plot you will have to find it out yourself, but gameplay features are now more explained in the game not like in the previous one where you could complete it 10 times and be ignorant on 80% of the game's content.
You can check some Making of videos to convince you on how FormSoftware is the new leading example of videogame producing and how you're most likely missing on one of the biggest experiences in gaming if you don't give it a proper go (it's interesting from a game deveoloping point of view, since these guys have their own dogma on making games)
WB ropa. Dark Souls was a great game, will eventually get this for the 360 when it is cheap. Is it going to be as damn hard as the first game?
Yeah, it's equally hard. Most likely harder since FromSoftware will mislead players based on what they expect they know from the previous game...
Like I said though, features are now more explained in the game (albeit there are no cutscenes explaining you everything nor tutorial messages) so there's a less chance you might miss on whole areas, bosses, plots or even gameplay features (like covenants in the first).
But the Souls series are not hard once you get your head around them. It's said to be the hardest series of games and yet there are speed runs of under 2 hours. It's just a big f@#!ing learning curve and one that is harder to climb if you're already used to mainstream gaming.
It's basically common sense v.s. mainstream gaming. If you're up against a big f@#!ing dragon with a club 5 minutes into the game and you're a naked human holding an axe, you shouldn't feel cheated if 5 minutes into the game that big ass club contacts and you're one shotted, it's your fault for thinking he's there to teach you how to play like the tutorial bosses we're so used to by now in games. If you cross a bridge and get one shotted by dragon fire you shouldn't feel cheated, you should of paid attention to the burned corpses all oer the path but you probably where expecting a warning cutscene! It's basically this, play the game with an open mind and sooner than later it will be natural to you.
In my case it has completely ruinned gaming for me. I can't play other games. They're not Dark Souls. They don't put half the effort into the world, the plot, the gameplay and the feeling of reward you get for overcoming a part of the game.
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Post by: Xrayez on March 05, 2014, 11:06 AM
Dark Souls has the best fighting system so far, I hope second part will be even more harder xD!
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Post by: darKz on March 05, 2014, 11:55 AM
I heard Dark Souls was pretty damn good, two of my mates played it and really liked it. I didn't get to play it yet because I've been busy as f@#! with exams, but those are gonna be over soon so I'll nerd through DS soonish. A proper gaming controller is recommended for the PC version if I'm not mistaken, I'll have to buy one then.. Which one do you guys use? Any recommendations?
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Post by: rU` on March 05, 2014, 12:39 PM
good stuff
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Post by: Aerox on March 05, 2014, 01:13 PM
I heard Dark Souls was pretty damn good, two of my mates played it and really liked it. I didn't get to play it yet because I've been busy as f@#! with exams, but those are gonna be over soon so I'll nerd through DS soonish. A proper gaming controller is recommended for the PC version if I'm not mistaken, I'll have to buy one then.. Which one do you guys use? Any recommendations?
Yeah but Dota has ruinned the genre for you I guess?. Dark Souls has ruinned my gaming life.
I recall telling you about Dark Souls ages ago. I tell everyone that I think could be into it. But the game just appears* to be trying really hard to make you stop playing at the begining, so most people never really manage far enough to start 'getting' it.
You cannot play with a keyboard and a mouse. The game allows you to but I don't know anyone that masochist.
I'd recommend the Xbox controller (the wired one that works with windows) although any PS2-PS3 pad works (download motionjoy and have it emulate the xbox controller). I have both (because it wasn't until recently that motionjoy worked with signed drivers) but I find the Xbox one better for gaming (and I've never owned an Xbox, only playstations)
For the PC version you need DSfix, a program that unlocks the resolution and most importantly breaks the 30fps limit (as well as other graphic enhancing options). It's a really bad port, but it looks amazing witth DSfix even though it probably wont run properly on a laptop regardless of how good it is.
I also recommend buying it because even though the game's multiplayer is very subtle you would be missing on big part of the game (bloodstains, messages (really useful for first playthroughs), ghosts, summoning, being invaded, playing with ropa, etc)
Also, in order to give the game a proper chance you shouldn't stop until you beat the Gargoyles (one of the very early bosses) because it's usually agreed that that is the point where most people start to feel the high and then it's like a drug you can't drop.
*it appears to be trying to f@#! you not because it's hard, but because you play with preconcieved ideas on how games play and you get f@#!ed for not paying attention or not reading text (very little text in this game, but every single item descrpition and NPC conversation tells you something revealing, even though you might have to read between the lines)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 05, 2014, 01:34 PM
Peter Serafinowicz explains better than I could http://video.wikia.com/wiki/File:Peter_Serafinowicz_on_Dark_Souls
(talks about DS1)
edit: when he talks about the free roaming of the world... for a guy that has played basically every game worth playing ever I think Dark Souls 1 has the best level design seen in a game bar none. The whole world is linked, vertically, horizontally, through shortcuts that you open from either way. You can see whole zones from other zones. It's just something that to this day hasn't been done before and hasn't been done since (although DS2 comes out soon)
edit2: it's not so much of a technical feat, it's just clever level design, since they use "tricks" to do this. Like if you're on top of a mountain looking down to the town you can actually visit you might be looking to a partial model with lower poly count etc (free roam camera hacks have proved this) that assumes that's as much as you can actually see from your view. But it does an amazing job at providing a global atmosphere
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Post by: Kyho on March 05, 2014, 02:54 PM
Praise the sun !
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Post by: Aerox on March 05, 2014, 03:32 PM
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: van on March 05, 2014, 04:07 PM
As long as ds2 PC release isn't another f@#!ing horrible rushed piece of shit of a port.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: lacoste on March 05, 2014, 05:29 PM
Im waiting for DS2 since like 2-3 months hoping devs will make it as suitable for PC as they promised it to be.. Never tried first part and probably never will.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Xrayez on March 05, 2014, 07:37 PM
I've never had problem with playing DarkSouls on my PC ;o Gamepad is required if you want to have fun, though. Occasionally it lagged like 20 fps but even that was fine :)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 06, 2014, 08:49 AM
It's a bad port in the sense you need better hardware than you're supposed to and need third party patches to unlock the resolution and the fps. I remember being pissed because my laptop could run Mass Effect 3 flawlessly but there was no way around Dark Souls 1 fps lag, even with the aforementioned fixes.
If Dark Souls 1 didn't run in your computer, bad port or otherwise, don't expect 2 to be much better.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on March 06, 2014, 10:51 AM
DS2 will be amazing no doubt, unfortunately my old D3 buddies all pre-ordered the addon and we plan on rocking HC the coming weeks/months.
Off-topic: have you tried the new patch 2.0 yet, ropa?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: van on March 06, 2014, 06:03 PM
It's a bad port in the sense you need better hardware than you're supposed to and need third party patches to unlock the resolution and the fps.
+ Shitty controller support, non-existent kb&mouse support + Horrible, console graphics + 30fps cap + Barely usable console interface + Don't even get me started on the camera + windows live drm + I tried it right after it came out on pc so I don't think there were any 3rd party fixes available for the occasional fps drops and fked res at launch (were there?).
Note: most of those have been probably patched by now but the port itself is right there with GTAIV, saints row 2 and RE4. And no, it wasn't due to my hardware.
I really hope they won't drop the ball on the sequel port-wise because it really sounds like my kind of game.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 07, 2014, 09:57 AM
+ Shitty controller support, non-existent kb&mouse support
You cannot play a game like this with a kb and mouse, just like you cannot play FIFA, PES, or NBA2k... of course you can try, but do not come crying about poor support just because the game will never be natural to those devides. I'm not sure what you mean by poor controller support since I use an Xbox controller and when I don't I use motionjoys and emulate an Xbox Controller which is fully supported by the game. What where your problems?
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+ Horrible, console graphics + 30fps cap + I tried it right after it came out on pc so I don't think there were any 3rd party fixes available for the occasional fps drops and fked res at launch (were there?).
DSfix, which came out about 3 days after the game was released took care of all this.
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+ Barely usable console interface
Yes, it is a console interface but it's super easy to use. Why is it barely usable? I don't think you even understand what you're talking about. Have you ever played console games? X to accept, Circle to go back, R1 L1 to change tabs... it works flawlessly in Dark Souls. You need to use de D-Pad, can't use the Joystick, but that's because the game allows you to navigate menus and move at the same time, which is very useful since you cannot pause, and that's why it's like it is.
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+ Don't even get me started on the camera
It's perfect, again, have you touched consoles?
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+ windows live drm
yep
The game is still a 100% console port done very bad but completely playable in every single aspect, FormSoft only released it because the community signed a petition. The UI is not bad like in Oblivion or shit like that, it's not even close. It just takes time to learn, just like the game itself, based on the confusing amount of data and hotkeys (which again, are natural to any console gamer).
Unless you expect some sort of mouse drag and drop UI like World of Warcraft or something? :-X
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I really hope they won't drop the ball on the sequel port-wise because it really sounds like my kind of game.
You're making it more sound like you need an indepth guide for everything though and are unwilling to change habits (the UI is barely usable??¿?) so I'm not too sure.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on March 07, 2014, 10:36 AM
They developed DS for consoles, why would they spend time on a drag and drop UI when consoles can't use it. Has absolutely nothing to do with WoW, it's a PC games feature. And tbh I don't know many PC only games that don't have some sort of drag and drop in-game lol. Any inventory management on PC is best solved with a simple drag and drop system, it's natural for PC gamers to use since the OS itself uses it heavily.
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Post by: Impossible on March 07, 2014, 01:15 PM
playing it now on my xbox
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Post by: Anubis on March 09, 2014, 11:49 AM
Console scum!
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Post by: Aerox on March 09, 2014, 01:42 PM
I bought the steam edition but I'm still running to the shop this Friday to get my PS3 version. To this day, multiplayer is more active and works better in PS3 than it does in PC (wtf right), not to mention that Cheat Engine and such can potentially ruin online play in a game like this (where people quickly resort to trainers due to suck)
I won't be playing D3exp Anubis, the game never got into me.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on March 10, 2014, 11:19 AM
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I won't be playing D3exp Anubis, the game never got into me.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... :'(
The game really improved with the latest patch and the expansion is pushing it even further towards awesome.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Impossible on March 10, 2014, 01:47 PM
just look at her face, isnt she sweet?
cost me 20 mins of work ;D [attachment=1]
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 10, 2014, 02:22 PM
you're playing worms armageddon husk, what's worse, you're browsing its forums every day, what's even worse, because you eat more content than the forum offers you enter subforums and threads that do not even interest you, worst of all, you even troll in them which higlight the irony of it all: even when taking the piss you still prove to care too much and invest too much of yourself in getting whatever little social interaction from the internet to cope with the minutes of your days... my advice? do it in a constructive way
i promise i'll reevaluate you again when i care to come by again
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: avirex on March 11, 2014, 07:32 PM
whoa, husk, you should be honored this wonderful man known as ropa, invested any time in typing that message to you.... you should print it out, and frame it.. maybe see if you can get an autograph from this legend in disguise of "Aerox"!!!
the funny part though is, everything he posted to you, could easily be said to him.. except for the playing worms part.... ropa was on forums every day for a couple of months trolling hard, and annoying the piss out of everyone (except for anubis, and maybe a couple others who found him funny) yet he did not even play w:a...
now he is making posts as if he is better then anyone else, because he does not play, or visit forums often... i guess he is disregarding the many years, and countless hours he invested into w:a, and FirstBlood Forums and leagues, and many other leagues before that.
ropa, we all think your amazing, ok?? now you can stop trying to convince us of it.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on March 11, 2014, 07:45 PM
I wanted to agree with ropa, cuz it's simply unethical to post such pics in a little thread about a game, but then I remembered that ropa did the same thing in ElderScrollsOnline topic (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/gaming-central/anyone-that-tried-to-get-in-the-elder-scrolls-online-beta-22571/msg192188/#msg192188) xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on March 11, 2014, 09:12 PM
and still no1 cares about this game xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 12, 2014, 09:04 AM
I wanted to agree with ropa, cuz it's simply unethical to post such pics in a little thread about a game, but then I remembered that ropa did the same thing in ElderScrollsOnline topic (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/gaming-central/anyone-that-tried-to-get-in-the-elder-scrolls-online-beta-22571/msg192188/#msg192188) xD
what? I gave my opinion on MMORPGS in general, and that opinion applies fully to ESO, a copy paste game of sorts with production philosophy more fitting to a hollywood movie. It's ok to disagree, I wasn't planning on posting more on that thread because I didn't want to ruin its purpose. Obviously, other people have different priorities.
as for the rest, of course I posted a lot, but most of the time I tried to contribute. Either to the forum, the game, or the community, even though if my agenda was only to have fun myself, I still managed to do so in a way I felt like I added. That's the difference between that, and basically posting empty messages, one liners and smileys in every thread I can find. Or what you do: kindergargumenting.
That's irrelevant though, I just came to see if any of my old gaming friends where interested in a game I'm planning to play.
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and still no1 cares about this game xD
Typical adult child doing his spam. How old are you by now Husk? And how long does your family get the subsidy for keeping you under their same roof posting stupid shit in the internet all day? have a picture (http://i57.tinypic.com/23syide.png)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on March 12, 2014, 10:44 AM
u expect alot from a worms forum xD if u just came to see if any of your old gaming friends were interested in ds2, u could have pm'ed them, instead u make a topic about this boring game xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on March 12, 2014, 12:14 PM
The whole purpose of this "gaming central" is to post about other games apart from worms, so instead of PMing everyone he might remind others that this game is around the corner. I would have done the same with RoS if I wasn't already in contact with the few that play(ed) D3.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 12, 2014, 02:37 PM
The whole purpose of this "gaming central" is to post about other games apart from worms, so instead of PMing everyone he might remind others that this game is around the corner. I would have done the same with RoS if I wasn't already in contact with the few that play(ed) D3.
Oh but he's not serious! He's only "trolling".
You see, if a Husk post ever comes across as retarded it's not because he is, he is just taking the piss because he's well above "foruming", he so cool he gives the least f@#! of all.
He is now obviously putting everyone at his level because insecurity has kicked in long ago and he can't really manage a thread like this without similar primates making shouts in the background (like static giving him a big boost by posting)
"u expect a lot from a worms form", shielding his retardation by stating that he's just fitting with the enviroment. No need. It's been years now, we know Husk about your internet persona, how you're all Scary Movie humor and nothing is important. Believe it or not, not everyone is like that, and some threads aren't the place it either.
truth is, I wasn't expecting anything other than a true interest check for an upcoming multiplayer game. I obviously wasn't expecting Husk to find his way to a thread he says is boring and he doesn't care about and then post so many times in it, but then again, I guess I was underrating the gimmick that is most of his life's time on the internet: spend the whole day pretending not to care.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Crazy on March 12, 2014, 03:18 PM
Ropas contributions to the forum are controversial, and he has been critical to TUS, its staff and what not since day one:
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this league smells like noob WWP
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so much rage in dis post m8 i think u shud go get a gf or a life or friends.... or die
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How long be season?
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GiT was never good. It was always a bunch of moleshopping newbies that never won a clan game in its history.
Sorry.
Some people like it, some people don't, but what are you gonna do? I find most of his posts funny, they are on-point, incredibly direct and to a ceeeertain degree informative . Sure it's a lot of bullshit as well, but him and MI already agreed where that line goes long time ago. Husk knew what was coming posting that pic, I think he actually missed some whopping from Ropa? ???
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on March 12, 2014, 10:04 PM
I am not sure what u r looking for ropa
u double posting in ur own topic because there was no replies from others just seemed that no1 cares, thus my image (=
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: TheWalrus on March 12, 2014, 10:49 PM
TBH husk this topic had more replies than most of the "other games" threads, in only a few days. If you want to rip ropa, id say rip him for being a jackass, not for having a lame topic no one likes. I'll be buying this game eventually as will many others.
Back on topic: What did everyone think of the game? I'm trying to gamefly it but looks like a long wait. Might just bite the bullet and buy if everyone says it is good.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on March 12, 2014, 10:56 PM
ok xD I guess it was just me then
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 13, 2014, 09:25 AM
Back on topic: What did everyone think of the game? I'm trying to gamefly it but looks like a long wait. Might just bite the bullet and buy if everyone says it is good.
Well, I think it's gotten a 9 minimun in most relevant review places. It got a "Yes" in Kotaku.
Apparently, it's still f@#!ing hard and if you played the first one it's going to purposely f@#! your habits.
I've only read positive things though. The only major concern is that the graphics are nothing close to what they where in the demos (to the point where dynamic light torches were a gameplay feature (some areas where too dark) and now it's just a gimmick). Hopefuly the PC version will closer to what we saw in the E3 demos.
The game comes out tomorrow here, so I hope I'll be able to play at 00:01
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on March 13, 2014, 10:44 AM
The original DS already ran extremely bad on the old generation consoles in a few areas. I wasn't expecting that they could up the fidelity once more on PS3/360. PC version could be a lot prettier since they had it in mind when developing.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 13, 2014, 11:09 AM
The original DS already ran extremely bad on the old generation consoles in a few areas. I wasn't expecting that they could up the fidelity once more on PS3/360. PC version could be a lot prettier since they had it in mind when developing.
I know it happens in most E3 demos but in this case, like in Watchdogs, it's just pretty extreme:
The PC version is bound to be better, but I'm not sure those lighting effects will be back.
Crazy: what's with your bipolar post? if you're gonna defend me pick better quotes you blomst
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Post by: Aerox on March 13, 2014, 11:34 AM
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Post by: Aerox on March 14, 2014, 09:52 PM
game is amazing...
put in more than 10 hours today... got work to catch up to tomorrow but can't wait to play it again... game appears to be crowded with players
feel like a child playing 'a link to the past' when I couldn't grasp the englsh language but it didn't matter...
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Post by: avirex on March 16, 2014, 06:14 PM
wow.. that game looks sick tbh..
i would love to play that, but you said you have to have a vnice computer to run it, without lags and choppy screen... i have a "decent" computer, at best.. its deff. not a gaming PC, so i doubt i would be able to run it..
and there is nothing that pisses me off more, then trying to enjoy a game, and its running slow, laggy, or choppy....
too bad, because it truly looks awesome!!
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 18, 2014, 09:13 AM
i would love to play that, but you said you have to have a vnice computer to run it, without lags and choppy screen... i have a "decent" computer, at best.. its deff. not a gaming PC, so i doubt i would be able to run it..
and there is nothing that pisses me off more, then trying to enjoy a game, and its running slow, laggy, or choppy....
too bad, because it truly looks awesome!!
none of your friends can give you his old xbox / ps3 for peanuts?
I've taken a week off work to play the f@#!ing game because at this point not even sex is a better alternative.
If anyone has a PS3 (it's free to play online) and is reading, pick it up. Do it while you're ahead and don't wait the couple of months it's going ot take for the game be unanimously the best game of the generation.
It's like WoW, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, Metroid, Castelvania and Vagrant Story* had a children and its godfather is the most fan respecting** game deveoloper ever.
f@#! you modern Blizzard and Square, f@#! you EA... wait, no f@#!s are given about Electronic Arts.... f@#! you Bethesda and 2Ksports and f@#! you Rockstar Games for covering all your flaws and lack of costumer respect with f@#!ing hollywood cinematics and motion capture. I hope FromSoftware has set example, and I hope the media is smart enough to make everyone aware so there's no excuse not to follow.
*when is the f@#!ing sequel coming out?
**You know it's something when you jump to NG+ and you're greeted with enemies you've never seen before (and each enemy is like a world of its own in this game). Or how whole areas or important merchants or NPCs are located where other games hide their f@#!ing secret coins of secrecy that serve no purpose other than to unlock an irrelevant achievement. You'll complete the game and miss a ton of f@#!ing content, and From doesn't care that some players will never got to see big chunk of the places, NPCs or even realize much if any of the story at all, it doesn't give a f@#! if you accidently swing your sword towards the only NPC in the game that allows you to level up. That's the kind of respect it has to its playerbase. If you care, you will have to realize shit for your own, or care enough to check online.
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Post by: KinslayeR on March 18, 2014, 04:54 PM
a
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Post by: Cueshark on March 18, 2014, 06:49 PM
Sounds like a damn good game.
I've just got a new gaming pc so I'll get it on PC when it's out in a month or so.
Looks very nice.
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Post by: KinslayeR on March 18, 2014, 07:26 PM
yeah, look very nice, reminds me a bit about Gothic series. Hope i will play it 1 day when i buy better PC :)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on March 27, 2014, 10:05 AM
So, now after a few weeks, what is your impression on consoles? The PC version isn't out yet so knowing how long DS 2 lasts would be cool. :)
it lasts forever
I finished my first build at the 150hours mark. There's nothing stopping you from going on leveling your character to infinity (NG+ goes on till +99, and NG+ is a completely different experience to NG (new enemies, items and such). I stopped at 150 because apparently that's what everyone agrees on. There's plenty of covenants (think guilds) focused on multiplayer, (PVP and PVE), for 1v1 dueling, for helping others in PVE content, for being a total asshole. They're all pretty different.
That with the amount of different spells, items, weapons (more than 200 different types) and build possibilities... the depth... the learning curve (specially if you haven't played soul series)
I will buy it again on PC if only for better graphics. Namco and From do ban cheaters actively on PS3, hopefuly, they will adopt similar policy on Steam.
it's a game you really should be playing anubis :S
you could even get as good as this guy
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on April 08, 2014, 07:17 PM
I don't need to buy it because my friend will buy it and I can just play it there. ;D
I was just curious to know what you think about after you have played it for a couple of weeks. Is there actual real Co-Op play? Like if I also choose to buy it can I, say, level with my friend from the beginning? In DS 1 that didn't really work. I got bored of D3 RoS now, waiting for ladder to start in approx. 1 month or so. Got 2 full sets for my wizard and started playing the crusader (as a hammerdin of course ;)) but figured I will wait for the ladder. The next game I kind of wanna get "pro" at is Trials Fusion, I love it, the thing is that it requires shitty uPlay client. God damn I hate it so much, not sure if I wanna swallow it. But I can see myself owning in that game a lot it has this gameplay that requires twitch skills (like roping) and real in-game knowledge. I really favor games that are not simple math games but require real physical skill as well. At least the ones I choose to become pro at. :)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on April 08, 2014, 07:57 PM
I don't need to buy it because my friend will buy it and I can just play it there. ;D
I was just curious to know what you think about after you have played it for a couple of weeks. Is there actual real Co-Op play? Like if I also choose to buy it can I, say, level with my friend from the beginning? In DS 1 that didn't really work. I got bored of D3 RoS now, waiting for ladder to start in approx. 1 month or so. Got 2 full sets for my wizard and started playing the crusader (as a hammerdin of course ;)) but figured I will wait for the ladder. The next game I kind of wanna get "pro" at is Trials Fusion, I love it, the thing is that it requires shitty uPlay client. God damn I hate it so much, not sure if I wanna swallow it. But I can see myself owning in that game a lot it has this gameplay that requires twitch skills (like roping) and real in-game knowledge. I really favor games that are not simple math games but require real physical skill as well. At least the ones I choose to become pro at. :)
there's a ring that you can buy allows you to select a god from a list of plenty, you both select the same god and you can level up together. As long as you always play togheter there's no problem, but you have to always use the character together - if one goes off alone farming or whatever he will gain souls and that will change his soul memory, which is NG is very influential factor on who you can summon.
Because bonfires are now in very convenient places (after a boss, etc), and you can warp from one another from the start of the game, it makes it very easy to play co-op with a friend. Be aware though, if you get invaded and you kill the invader, the host will always get more souls than the phantom, this can make a difference in your Soul memory if it happens a lot... either way, soul memory is a stat you can check in the game so if you notice it's going higher or lower than your friends you can always just help whatever random guy with the last boss you killed and get it closer.
In NG+ and beyond it goes off level only, so using the ring always works.
Soul Memory is a way to stop twinks and such. It's basically a stat that counts your souls from the start, those you use to level up, those you use to buy things, even those you lose. Basically, all the souls you ever pick up, regardless of what happens to them afterwards.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on April 28, 2014, 04:06 PM
testing the pc stream right now, owning some pubs in pvp
if anyone wants to check out http://www.twitch.tv/ropasouls
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 10:29 AM
Started playing DS2 via Family sharing with my friend. Using controller and getting used to it. Having fun. Continue playing is very likely. lol!
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: TheWalrus on May 02, 2014, 12:01 PM
im getting this in a week or so for x360. is there any co-op? who wants to play?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 12:13 PM
im getting this in a week or so for x360. is there any co-op? who wants to play?
it runs okay on okayish PCs, have you compared requeriments? I have the game for PS3 and PC :(
Anubis, get back to me once you're into the game. That is, once you start reading into the meta and stuff ;)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 02:28 PM
I just played a few times the starting area with the various classes, I liked the dual wielding Power Stance (with daggers lol) but when I progressed further with it, it felt kind of lacking since you can't block/parry and sometimes you're forced to block/parry when you're in a corner. Didn't fight a boss yet, I am not sure what character I wanna create so I dunno what to do yet, casting/archer seemed easiest but also most boring since it's just 1 button.
So I guess you are forced to 1hand + shield or 2hand (at least can parry)?
Gonna wait for your response ropa, I don't just "play" new games I like, so I need more info before continuing for now. I need to know whats viable at endgame and not just funny at the beginning. For example if dual wielding is only good for co-op play (where someone can "tank") then I don't wanna dual wield since I plan to solo all bosses.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on May 02, 2014, 02:46 PM
I think you should rather dodge than parry, especially vs bosses :) I tried to play as a mage, but didn't like it at all...
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 03:16 PM
I just played a few times the starting area with the various classes, I liked the dual wielding Power Stance (with daggers lol) but when I progressed further with it, it felt kind of lacking since you can't block/parry and sometimes you're forced to block/parry when you're in a corner. Didn't fight a boss yet, I am not sure what character I wanna create so I dunno what to do yet, casting/archer seemed easiest but also most boring since it's just 1 button.
So I guess you are forced to 1hand + shield or 2hand (at least can parry)?
Gonna wait for your response ropa, I don't just "play" new games I like, so I need more info before continuing for now. I need to know whats viable at endgame and not just funny at the beginning. For example if dual wielding is only good for co-op play (where someone can "tank") then I don't wanna dual wield since I plan to solo all bosses.
You don't need to mix max in this game to be succesful even though you'll end up doing so, so forget about the best playstyle because they're ALL viable. You can be anything you want to, it's all skill - go watch a speedrun.
It's best to focus on a quality build to start, that is, around 25-30 in both strength and dexterity so you can test the movesets of all weapons you find. You can respec in this game and you will find plenty of respec items in your first playthrough (3-5)
There's just too much things I suppose you don't know yet anyway? Weapon scaling and infusing, importance of armor weight, importance of adaptability, and obviously, importance of rolling, what poise is, guard breaking, staggering, i-frames.... Just stick to whatever weapon moveset you like, and remember to try it both at one hand and two hands. All weapons in this game are viable to carry you through the whole game if you have the proper stats and they're properly upgraded.
I haven't used a shield since Dark Souls 1, only for gimmick PVP builds. Rolling is your main weapon. You need to get 110 agility (a stat based off Adapatability and Attunement) in order to maximize your rolling, also keep a relative low equipment weight (<30% is optimal)
The starting class is also pointless. You can start Warrior and become a Mage and the difference from those that started Mage will be unoticeable.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 03:49 PM
I just played a few times the starting area with the various classes, I liked the dual wielding Power Stance (with daggers lol) but when I progressed further with it, it felt kind of lacking since you can't block/parry and sometimes you're forced to block/parry when you're in a corner. Didn't fight a boss yet, I am not sure what character I wanna create so I dunno what to do yet, casting/archer seemed easiest but also most boring since it's just 1 button.
So I guess you are forced to 1hand + shield or 2hand (at least can parry)?
Gonna wait for your response ropa, I don't just "play" new games I like, so I need more info before continuing for now. I need to know whats viable at endgame and not just funny at the beginning. For example if dual wielding is only good for co-op play (where someone can "tank") then I don't wanna dual wield since I plan to solo all bosses.
You don't need to mix max in this game to be succesful even though you'll end up doing so, so forget about the best playstyle because they're ALL viable. You can be anything you want to, it's all skill - go watch a speedrun.
It's best to focus on a quality build to start, that is, around 25-30 in both strength and dexterity so you can test the movesets of all weapons you find. You can respec in this game and you will find plenty of respec items in your first playthrough (3-5)
There's just too much things I suppose you don't know yet anyway? Weapon scaling and infusing, importance of armor weight, importance of adaptability, and obviously, importance of rolling, what poise is, guard breaking, staggering, i-frames.... Just stick to whatever weapon moveset you like, and remember to try it both at one hand and two hands. All weapons in this game are viable to carry you through the whole game if you have the proper stats and they're properly upgraded.
I haven't used a shield since Dark Souls 1, only for gimmick PVP builds. Rolling is your main weapon. You need to get 110 agility (a stat based off Adaptability and Attunement) in order to maximize your rolling, also keep a relative low equipment weight (<30% is optimal)
The starting class is also pointless. You can start Warrior and become a Mage and the difference from those that started Mage will be unoticeable.
I know about Weapon Scaling, importance of armor weight, adaptability, guard breaking and rolling. What's infusing, poise, staggering and i-frames? I actually played the most with the "explorer" class because it already started with 12 points in Adaptability. Also while I was farming some mobs at one point they stopped spawning, is it a fixed amount, timed or something else that triggers it?
Also, whats the point in picking the beggar? He starts at level 1 and while adding up +1 stat per level he still has less stats than for example when picking a pre-defined class like the warrior. I think beggar at level 12 had only 54 combined stats while another class at level 12 had already over 60 stat points. I thought maybe beggar has more base stats but starts at level 1, but picking him makes no sense at all, or am I missing something?
Btw, I placed the silk stone in that nest at the beginning, once I got an item that allows me to invade another realm (common item afaik), the other time I got a weapon, demon hammer or something. Has 300 attack power and requires 50 strength with grade B and 12 agility I think. Is that weapon any good to farm it?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 04:22 PM
I just played a few times the starting area with the various classes, I liked the dual wielding Power Stance (with daggers lol) but when I progressed further with it, it felt kind of lacking since you can't block/parry and sometimes you're forced to block/parry when you're in a corner. Didn't fight a boss yet, I am not sure what character I wanna create so I dunno what to do yet, casting/archer seemed easiest but also most boring since it's just 1 button.
So I guess you are forced to 1hand + shield or 2hand (at least can parry)?
Gonna wait for your response ropa, I don't just "play" new games I like, so I need more info before continuing for now. I need to know whats viable at endgame and not just funny at the beginning. For example if dual wielding is only good for co-op play (where someone can "tank") then I don't wanna dual wield since I plan to solo all bosses.
You don't need to mix max in this game to be succesful even though you'll end up doing so, so forget about the best playstyle because they're ALL viable. You can be anything you want to, it's all skill - go watch a speedrun.
It's best to focus on a quality build to start, that is, around 25-30 in both strength and dexterity so you can test the movesets of all weapons you find. You can respec in this game and you will find plenty of respec items in your first playthrough (3-5)
There's just too much things I suppose you don't know yet anyway? Weapon scaling and infusing, importance of armor weight, importance of adaptability, and obviously, importance of rolling, what poise is, guard breaking, staggering, i-frames.... Just stick to whatever weapon moveset you like, and remember to try it both at one hand and two hands. All weapons in this game are viable to carry you through the whole game if you have the proper stats and they're properly upgraded.
I haven't used a shield since Dark Souls 1, only for gimmick PVP builds. Rolling is your main weapon. You need to get 110 agility (a stat based off Adaptability and Attunement) in order to maximize your rolling, also keep a relative low equipment weight (<30% is optimal)
The starting class is also pointless. You can start Warrior and become a Mage and the difference from those that started Mage will be unoticeable.
I know about Weapon Scaling, importance of armor weight, adaptability, guard breaking and rolling. What's infusing, poise, staggering and i-frames? I actually played the most with the "explorer" class because it already started with 12 points in Adaptability. Also while I was farming some mobs at one point they stopped spawning, is it a fixed amount, timed or something else that triggers it?
Also, whats the point in picking the beggar? He starts at level 1 and while adding up +1 stat per level he still has less stats than for example when picking a pre-defined class like the warrior. I think beggar at level 12 had only 54 combined stats while another class at level 12 had already over 60 stat points. I thought maybe beggar has more base stats but starts at level 1, but picking him makes no sense at all, or am I missing something?
Btw, I placed the silk stone in that nest at the beginning, once I got an item that allows me to invade another realm (common item afaik), the other time I got a weapon, demon hammer or something. Has 300 attack power and requires 50 strength with grade B and 12 agility I think. Is that weapon any good to farm it?
I suggest you check out the wiki or reddit or similar for all this info anubis. Or play with me so I can teach you quickly ;)
Forget about starting class, the differnece is 1800 damage or 1790 damage.
The Demon hammer is a gimmick weapon and nothing stops you from using it in PVE (it's too slow and uses too much stamina to be the main weapon in PVP, you can still use it with some sort of strategy though) It has B scaling, meaning that other apparently weaker weapons will out damage it far into the game with A or S scaling. Like the Mastodan Greatsword, fully upgraded does 300 damage but it has A scaling in strength, meaning that with 40 strenght (the hard cap, points invested after that give disminishing returns) it does aronud 450-500 damage.
Scaling is ultimately the most deciding factor in what build you make. Some weapons increase scaling as they get upgraded, the mastodan greatsword i mentioned earlier has +B sacling in str but at +8 becomes A.
Infusing is something you'll get to eventually when and if you manage to rescue a certain NPC (as most things in this game, totally optional and out of the way xD). You can infuse weapons with different things (Lighting, Dark, Fire, Mundane, Poison etc...) this has nothing to do with the weapon upgrade, you can have a +2 fire longsword or a +8 lightingt club. Infusion lower the main scaling of the weapon and give a B letter in the element it's infused meaning you can per example make any weapon Lighting giving it a B in lighting scaling meaning its damage goes higher with Faith or Intelligence.
You can build your character like you want, but for damage there's 4 main stats: STR, DEX, INT and FAI. Different weapons scale off different stats with different rules. STR improves raw damage per swing. DEX does too but less so, it improves the damage of backstab and guardbreaks more than STR. INT and FAI obviously also scale Miracles, Spells and Pyromancy damage, as well as the buffing of weapons with said magic. So most builds you want 40 in 2 of them to take full advantage of per example:
mastodan sword A scaling in STR, if you don't infuse it, it keeps that A scaling meaning you do optimal damage with 40 str. because you need alternatives to be succesful in this game you can also go 40 in FAI. Allowing you the use of miracles and also allowing you to buff your weapon with lighting keeping both scaling off strength and faith. You can go STR DEX route and use double scaling weapons like the Sun sword (A/A scaling in str dex) and allowing you to use a wide variety of weapons. Go full FAI INT allowing you to use powerful HEXES (magic that needs both stats). Go INT DEX and use magic and katanas.
Basically, whatever suits your playstyle (an overused statement in gaming that it's only really true in this one)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 05:24 PM
How dare you say 1800 or 1790 damage is nothing! Have you not raided hardcore in WoW? If you said that to your raid-leader he would kick you out! :D I have switched races many times in WoW for 20 bucks just to get that little extra damage from race bonus. If it doesn't matter then the game is not hard enough. :P Have the bosses no enrage timers? Could you avoid and run in circles forever if your skilled and nothing happens? That would be kind of lame tbh. xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on May 02, 2014, 05:38 PM
Could you avoid and run in circles forever if your skilled and nothing happens? That would be kind of lame tbh. xD
This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrBWhzFrAY) says everything. To kill a suberb dragon you just hit his leg and run around... But I suppose WoW bosses are even more stupid, tanks tank, dds deal damage, healers heal xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 06:48 PM
How dare you say 1800 or 1790 damage is nothing! Have you not raided hardcore in WoW? If you said that to your raid-leader he would kick you out! :D I have switched races many times in WoW for 20 bucks just to get that little extra damage from race bonus. If it doesn't matter then the game is not hard enough. :P Have the bosses no enrage timers? Could you avoid and run in circles forever if your skilled and nothing happens? That would be kind of lame tbh. xD
There's a few gameplay enrage timers yes. You can dodge some bosses to eterntiy, yes. I doubt you can manage by running in circles, though.
The Ancient Dragon is just a NPC, and the only reason he's doing those moves all the time is because the guy doing it is positioning himself and waiting the correct amount of time. If you tried yourself without knowing all the small details you would get one shoted by his cleave, or probably just burn really.
If you apply other game concepts to this game you're doing it wrong, specially a game like WoW. Skill > stats in every single way you can imagine. I can beat you barefisted and naked at this point, doing 100 damage while you do 2.000
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 06:53 PM
I have actually favored the holy trinity system in Co-Op/MMO RPGs. Especially the more hardcore approaches where a group really shines when you do your role good. Back when playing together with a healer actually meant faster leveling because you could recklessly pull mobs after another without downtime. Now when you level a healer spec means slower leveling since all classes got some kind of self-heal.
I am kind of interested in ArchAge but it's entry point is steep, 150$ I think for early alpha access and 50$ for all beta events. I have tested Wildstar, WoW meets GW2 and have a baby, that's Wildstar. My next favorite MMO would be a Monster Hunter MMO, sucks that both Monster Hunter MMOs never get a western release. :/
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 06:56 PM
You can still be a healer or a tank in Dark Souls 2, plenty of healing spells that work with party members and there's a ring that makes you aggro (very useful for some harder bosses in NG+ where they start bringing "adds")
It's not WoW raiding though.
Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, just keep playing, there's around 30 bosses in this game and you haven't beaten one yet?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on May 02, 2014, 07:04 PM
I know, Ropa, this guy said it took him some time to learn the boss' moves, but IMO the equipment should be more important so you couldn't beat a damn giant dragon with bare fists xD Like in race games skill is important but with cheap tyres you won't succeed^^
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 07:07 PM
I know, Ropa, this guy said it took him some time to learn the boss' moves, but IMO the equipment should be more important so you couldn't beat a damn giant dragon with bare fists xD Like in race games skill is important but with cheap tyres you won't succeed^^
there are quite a few cheese strategies I wish didn't exist, but overall they're not a big deal
equipment is important, it's just that you can overcome it with skill. You can also get super weapons to compensate for lack of skill, anyway. There's a bit for everyone, and it's not 100% balanced like a MMO, it doesn't need to by nature.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 07:10 PM
How dare you say 1800 or 1790 damage is nothing! Have you not raided hardcore in WoW? If you said that to your raid-leader he would kick you out! :D I have switched races many times in WoW for 20 bucks just to get that little extra damage from race bonus. If it doesn't matter then the game is not hard enough. :P Have the bosses no enrage timers? Could you avoid and run in circles forever if your skilled and nothing happens? That would be kind of lame tbh. xD
There's a few gameplay enrage timers yes. You can dodge some bosses to eterntiy, yes. I doubt you can manage by running in circles, though.
The Ancient Dragon is just a NPC, and the only reason he's doing those moves all the time is because the guy doing it is positioning himself and waiting the correct amount of time. If you tried yourself without knowing all the small details you would get one shoted by his cleave, or probably just burn really.
If you apply other game concepts to this game you're doing it wrong, specially a game like WoW. Skill > stats in every single way you can imagine. I can beat you barefisted and naked at this point, doing 100 damage while you do 2.000
Actually the AI seems very basic in DS2, at least of what I have seen in videos and from what I experienced so far. It feels very scripted. For example: Player is x amount distance away from NPC > perform y attack. Player is blocking > perform z attack to break it, etc. You can see patterns really fast if you pay attention. It's almost like raiding in WoW just that you can actually control what attack the NPC will do in DS2 while in WoW it is completely scripted after x amount of time/damage done/phases. The dragon seems like being forced to use his breath attack when the player is at y distance, thus the player has to stop attacking and get back to distance y in order to chain breath the dragon. Though I am sure DS2 has different phases too as I have seen different attacks after x amount of damage done, (Big giant uses his arm to get more reach after half his life I think) it still seems pretty static imo. though way more dynamic than most games. I think Monster Hunter has one of the most dynamic combat systems, it feels random enough to not make it feel scripted and having no HP bar is one of the greatest ideas to remove this feel of scripting. Imagine in WoW you don't know how much HP is left, or in DS2. As long as you have not beaten him you don't know how far away you are from winning, so much tension. Though in Monster Hunter the enemies start limping so you can tell at the end when you are almost done, but everything before that is pure fun.
I hate my analytical approach to games, thats why Worms (roping) was such a good game for me, no matter how hard you analyze the game in the end your real physical skill is needed when roping.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 07:13 PM
Monster Hunter combat system has nothing on Dark Souls, nor the weapon variety and movesets.
If you enjoy the game and actually become decent at it and experienced you will quickly realize this.
Just wait until you reach a relatively early boss, the Ruin Sentinels, it's pretty WoWish, or it can be ;)
Bosses are pretty varied, there's a lot of just melee and stuff, but overall, they're one of the big selling points of this game
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 02, 2014, 07:17 PM
Monster Hunter combat system has nothing on Dark Souls, nor the weapon variety and movesets.
I am gonna disagree on that, knowing that I am right. xD
I have seen all of DS1 and a lot of DS2 already (my friend plays it all day, he sits next to me) and we both agree that Monster Hunters combat system has way more combination, better co-op, and more epic boss fights, 30 bosses in DS2 is not alot compared to Monster Hunters huge arsenal. Even the very first Monster Hunter game had more monsters.
Also, I believe in a RPG it should not be gear > skill or skill > gear.. the perfect balance is gear = skill, meaning you skill shows through your gear, and your gear shows your actual game skill.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 02, 2014, 07:25 PM
Monster Hunter combat system has nothing on Dark Souls, nor the weapon variety and movesets.
I am gonna disagree on that, knowing that I am right. xD
I have seen all of DS1 and a lot of DS2 already (my friend plays it all day, he sits next to me) and we both agree that Monster Hunters combat system has way more combination, better co-op, and more epic boss fights, 30 bosses in DS2 is not alot compared to Monster Hunters huge arsenal. Even the very first Monster Hunter game had more monsters.
I'm talking about the combat system. Monster Hunter is pretty much like most RPGs, positoning is important, not close to Souls series though, timing not so much. Weapon movesets really have little impact in the gameplay and timing and reflexes are a gimmick if compared to the Soul series. Just imagine a hypothetical PVP in the monster hunter system, it would be like a melee duel in Diablo 2.
I didn't say anything about the bosses in comparison to Monster Hunter
How far into NG+++ is your friend? What's his level and soul memory? Does he PVP? How many weapons does he consider himself good with? erm... does he use a shield?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 03, 2014, 09:46 AM
Positioning is in a different way important in the MH series. When fighting monsters you not only have to consider your position where you can deal maximum damage, but also to get certain parts for a weapon/armor you wish to craft, some weapons can't even penetrate the armor so you have to fight a monster differently depending on your weapon you have. Also remember MH actual needs different movement skill since it has no auto-lock like DS2, you can center the camera to the boss with a button press but it does not automatically keep the camera on target like in DS. To get a glimpse how MH combat can feel like you would need to turn off DS auto-lock on target after you targeted it, in fact, I find the MH combat system a bit more skillful because of that. Also, in DS backstabbing/parrying is in many times gimmick for the hard fights since you simply can't even backstab many bosses, they are too big to do so. ;) It shines through that those moves were put in place for PvP, not so much for PvE. Weapon movesets in MH are centered around co-op play, buffing, stunning, burst damage. It's a 100% PvE game. An Archer/Range character is solo-able but in a group it really pwns twice as hard.
We can run in circles with this discussion, you favor Souls, we favor MH Series in terms of combat mechanics.
He has not completed the game yet, I think at home he has 11 bosses down and here at my house he has like 5 bosses down, but he is a true grinder, he spends a lot of time farming souls.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 03, 2014, 11:02 AM
Positioning is in a different way important in the MH series. When fighting monsters you not only have to consider your position where you can deal maximum damage, but also to get certain parts for a weapon/armor you wish to craft, some weapons can't even penetrate the armor so you have to fight a monster differently depending on your weapon you have. Also remember MH actual needs different movement skill since it has no auto-lock like DS2, you can center the camera to the boss with a button press but it does not automatically keep the camera on target like in DS. To get a glimpse how MH combat can feel like you would need to turn off DS auto-lock on target after you targeted it, in fact, I find the MH combat system a bit more skillful because of that. Also, in DS backstabbing/parrying is in many times gimmick for the hard fights since you simply can't even backstab many bosses, they are too big to do so. ;) It shines through that those moves were put in place for PvP, not so much for PvE. Weapon movesets in MH are centered around co-op play, buffing, stunning, burst damage. It's a 100% PvE game. An Archer/Range character is solo-able but in a group it really pwns twice as hard.
We can run in circles with this discussion, you favor Souls, we favor MH Series in terms of combat mechanics.
He has not completed the game yet, I think at home he has 11 bosses down and here at my house he has like 5 bosses down, but he is a true grinder, he spends a lot of time farming souls.
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You guys should actually play the game a bit before daring to make such comparisons. I have completed all Monster Hunter games, in retrospect.
You cannot talk about worms warming if you've only just learned how to shoot the rope twice in a row.
Plus, you insist on talking about completely different things. I'm talking about actual combat gameplay and you're talking aboutt RPG aspects such as grinding for gear and getting the optimal equipment to kill a boss. Those are not combat mechanics, those are completely different game mechanics, progression, itemization, whatever.
You're making a bunch of assumptions based on ignorance. Assuming, per instance, that all people use auto-lock to fight. I don't, 90% of the time.
It doesn't take half the skill. You guys are 10% into the game. Or 1%, since for most the real Dark Souls 2 starts in NG+ and you're making big analysis about the skill required in both games? :-X As if. I'd love to hear your experiences once you reach the last sinner on NG+, I'd love to see you try that alone with melee, should be easy, no?
(auto-lock? :l)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 04, 2014, 10:19 AM
So completing DS1 on PS3 NG+ and DS1 PtD PC Edition as well is having no experience? Right, might as well tell a WWP player that he has no idea about roping when he played W:A. (since you make a lame Worms reference) Same engine, same mechanics, here and there new gimmicks essentially the same game. Hilarious. My experience is just by watching him and here and there playing myself a bit. But my friend loves the DS Series. I am merely translating his words from german into english and bring in my MH knowledge into discussion since you are insisting it is less of a skilled game.
Sure, DS2 might "start" in NG+, but that's the same argument people make to defend their game which isn't top notch from the beginning. ;)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 04, 2014, 10:39 AM
you just need to acknowledge I'm talking about actual gameplayabiltiy whilst you're talking about skill as if it was knowledge - knowing what mats to farm, knowing what gear is optimal...
actual gameplay of MH translates to positioning yourself correctly for maximun damage, spamming attack, using consumables and dodging a bit. With all weapons having virtually the same gameplay mechanics. Repeating myself here: PVP in MH is a spam fest in which the best gear wins. In fact, you don't even need much if any reflexes to beat MH, just knowledge and grind.
NG+ on DS is not a big of a feat, since for all I know he could be spamming magic.
Dark Souls 2 is top notch from the beginning. I'm talking about difficulty here but feel free to twist my words all over if only because you think we're having a my favorite vs your favorite argument, we're not, move on.
I'm not going to comment too much on the "same engnie same mechanics" since I don't want to make you or your friend look like a fool, but you're being borderline unrespectful by comming to a discussion with me with so much little knowledge and so much ignorance... To keep it short, the engine is totally different and all the important mechanics have completely changed. But hey, ok! Not draggnig this any further. It's like trying to discuss soccer with a girl that doesn't understand offside.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Ryan on May 04, 2014, 10:56 AM
I've seen gameplay of this and actually what puts me off this is the difficulty, I literally think this game would be too difficult for me.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 04, 2014, 06:09 PM
you just need to acknowledge I'm talking about actual gameplayabiltiy whilst you're talking about skill as if it was knowledge - knowing what mats to farm, knowing what gear is optimal...
actual gameplay of MH translates to positioning yourself correctly for maximun damage, spamming attack, using consumables and dodging a bit. With all weapons having virtually the same gameplay mechanics. Repeating myself here: PVP in MH is a spam fest in which the best gear wins. In fact, you don't even need much if any reflexes to beat MH, just knowledge and grind.
NG+ on DS is not a big of a feat, since for all I know he could be spamming magic.
Dark Souls 2 is top notch from the beginning. I'm talking about difficulty here but feel free to twist my words all over if only because you think we're having a my favorite vs your favorite argument, we're not, move on.
I'm not going to comment too much on the "same engnie same mechanics" since I don't want to make you or your friend look like a fool, but you're being borderline unrespectful by comming to a discussion with me with so much little knowledge and so much ignorance... To keep it short, the engine is totally different and all the important mechanics have completely changed. But hey, ok! Not draggnig this any further. It's like trying to discuss soccer with a girl that doesn't understand offside.
The same can be said in DS, you need to understand the scripted moves that all enemies have, it's really that simple don't think you outsmart the enemy by dodging or parrying or anything else, you as a player are given a time window and then have to act accordingly, if you fail to do so you take damage as punishment so you learn not to take it because it hinders your progression. This is universal in every game, there's no super secret formula that makes DS more difficult than others. It just more unforgiving because you don't loose half of your life in most games. You have to know what triggers what and I feel like I am repeating myself here since I have said that a couple of posts ago which you professionally ignored. Do you honestly believe it is so much more difficult to beat DS 2 on NG+ or whatever you claim to be the "real deal" than any other game? No, it just punishes mistakes more. Other games punish you less and thus feel easier but that doesn't mean the mechanics are harder in DS. They are not complex, not hard to understand, just hidden so you have to wiki it. Having no tutorial that tells you how to do stuff doesn't equal that it's hard. Example? Why do I need to go to a 3rd party site that tells me how to power stance? Why can't the game tell me that I need 150% of the stats to do so. Oh yeah, people would think that's casual or pros will figure it out. To me that's just lazy design, I am not asking for them to show me all secrets and hidden things thats cool to find out yourself. But leaving out vital information about your game mechanics? Lazy.
And since you need these little thrash talking components in your posts, here's my contribution:
The fanboy is strong in you! xD Feels like I am hurting you because you don't have as much time as I have to play games so you can only focus on one and praise it to the heaven, don't get too worked up, remember d3 when you tried to make me angry and failed to do so and had to delete me off your friends list which leads me to:
Makes sense that of us both I would be the girl after what has happened in the past. ;)
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Abnaxus on May 04, 2014, 11:19 PM
Demon's Souls > Dark Souls > Dark Souls II
2 Meteor Storm = Final boss dead and gone. Lovely difficulty. Was kinda the same about Mages on Dark Souls.
What's next ?
PS: For people having trouble with this game: Hold your shield and open your eyes. This game is only about knowing ennemy moves.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 09:31 AM
You can try fighting me with your flashy magic and your shield up... see how quickly that brings you to the ground
anubis tell me about the hours spent browsing the internet finding grinding guides to find the perfect lolipops to kill that snake recolor in Monster Hunter, please. Just play the game and don't let your ego of trying to prove me wrong not let you enjoy the game. You're barely into the game, your friend sounds like a total casual. Just play it with an open mind and don't let what I say generate a prejudice in your own mind, it would be a pity and equally pathetic.
And don't listen to Abnaxus, he's the worst of casuls.
edit: ryan I would be very very surprised if you found the game too hard to conquer. You should "try" it out, no investment needed. The game is beaten around 400 times every hour since launch. That's only PS3 and Xbox.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 11:12 AM
You can try fighting me with your flashy magic and your shield up... see how quickly that brings you to the ground
anubis tell me about the hours spent browsing the internet finding grinding guides to find the perfect lolipops to kill that snake recolor in Monster Hunter, please. Just play the game and don't let your ego of trying to prove me wrong not let you enjoy the game. You're barely into the game, your friend sounds like a total casual. Just play it with an open mind and don't let what I say generate a prejudice in your own mind, it would be a pity and equally pathetic.
And don't listen to Abnaxus, he's the worst of casuls.
edit: ryan I would be very very surprised if you found the game too hard to conquer. You should "try" it out, no investment needed. The game is beaten around 400 times every hour since launch. That's only PS3 and Xbox.
How cute of you to think me or my friend are casuals, is that the thrash-talking part of that post? I see. You still haven't figured out what I am trying to tell you, have you? Monster Hunter, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Darksiders, Castlevania LoS, God of War, DmC etc. they all share the same basic action combat mechanics. You have to actively mitigate damage (dodging, parrying, blocking, running in circles, jumping...), learn the moves of your enemies and position yourself. The boss exposes, you deal damage. You expose yourself, you get hit. Learn to accept that none of these games are innovative or difficult to play when you have clocked hundreds of hours with such gameplay, DS is no exception to this formula. Dark Souls baseline experience is hard in your opinion but you will die countless times as well if you choose to in other games, granted some games are even on "hardest" difficulty a joke but I have died hundreds of times in different games as well, maybe you should give the various action games a try other than DS and when you do, not pick normal?
I don't care if you believe DS is the better game, for all it's worth the controls are crisp and responsive and the combat has tactical decisions (like most decent games). I am just trying to tell you that the mechanics are nothing special, it's not a selling point of the game because it's done in other games as well.
What you are trying to tell me is basically this:
"Anubis, anubis, let's play this modified scheme I have found. It's a warmer with fall damage, you have to be careful and pay attention because when you fall you will loose your turn, it's so hard!"
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 11:54 AM
Assuming that understanding the game mechanics is the mere basics at becoming good at the game and that you and your friend ignore plenty, yes, you're casuals, regardless of how many casual action games on extreme (unfair, not hard) you've played.
As for the rest, I don't care what you're trying to tell me, this is the typical argument timeline here at TUS, or any other forum for that matter.
I made the claim that dark souls takes more gameplay skill than monster hunter, because simply put, MH is a button smashing JRPG that pretends to play like an action game but doesn't, once you're down to the core.
You then started talking about farming mats and getting gear which I consider preparation and not actual gameplay skill.
Now you're talking about innovation
Next thing we know you'll be talking about the graphics.
You don't see me making medicine analysis do you? So why would you insist in doing so when you're a casual beyond all doubt?
I'm betting my TUS account I'd beat you and your casual friend 2v1 using no magic or consumables, just a sword and a dagger. Just in hopes you stop with the worms analogies and looking like a complete an utter fool. The only draw back of this all is your unjustified ego that won't let you enjoy as game because you think giving up to my more realistic insight would mean losing an argument about the only thing you're good at, so you rather take a very accurate statement I made and talk about everything in the world, if only to find a way out that would mean you were right all along, and that all these years invested in gaming at least give you something in return - the ilusion of being right in a message board.
My TUS account is still up for grabs if you ever feel ready to prove your big talk and make use of all that experience playing God of War on hard mode. Haha.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on May 05, 2014, 12:21 PM
I think u both need fresh air and a corset =P
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 12:54 PM
Assuming that understanding the game mechanics is the mere basics at becoming good at the game and that you and your friend ignore plenty, yes, you're casuals, regardless of how many casual action games on extreme (unfair, not hard) you've played.
As for the rest, I don't care what you're trying to tell me, this is the typical argument timeline here at TUS, or any other forum for that matter.
I made the claim that dark souls takes more gameplay skill than monster hunter, because simply put, MH is a button smashing JRPG that pretends to play like an action game but doesn't, once you're down to the core.
You then started talking about farming mats and getting gear which I consider preparation and not actual gameplay skill.
Now you're talking about innovation
Next thing we know you'll be talking about the graphics.
You don't see me making medicine analysis do you? So why would you insist in doing so when you're a casual beyond all doubt?
I'm betting my TUS account I'd beat you and your casual friend 2v1 using no magic or consumables, just a sword and a dagger. Just in hopes you stop with the worms analogies and looking like a complete an utter fool. The only draw back of this all is your unjustified ego that won't let you enjoy as game because you think giving up to my more realistic insight would mean losing an argument about the only thing you're good at, so you rather take a very accurate statement I made and talk about everything in the world, if only to find a way out that would mean you were right all along, and that all these years invested in gaming at least give you something in return - the ilusion of being right in a message board.
My TUS account is still up for grabs if you ever feel ready to prove your big talk and make use of all that experience playing God of War on hard mode. Haha.
So you don't care about arguments others make and just try to impolitely brute force your points. That's commonly known here on TUS and probably every other forum you frequent. You might have played DS exclusively the past 2 or 3 years? So now that I think what you experience in DS can be experienced in mostly every other game you go crazy, okay np with that, you have to make sure everyone around you knows that you spend the time on a game that's so perfect and awesome with all new, unique combat mechanics that have never happened before. Though I would be surprised if you have clocked over 1k hours on the Souls series.
This is what you said:
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Monster Hunter combat system has nothing on Dark Souls
And I disagreed on that knowing that the combat system is basically the same like in any other Action game, yet you ignore my initial statement. I don't care what you deem casual or hardcore, it does not even matter in this discussion to make accurate statements about it's mechanics. Mechanically all the games that I named are the same.
The only one switching topics right and left, are you, ropa. You bring in casual gaming, insults, TUS, PvP. Like wtf has that to do with your and my standpoint?
You even could be a better gamer than me. Though logically it's very unlikely since the game we both played for years I have surpassed you. It was a casual game, right? :D
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 01:14 PM
You've always been better than worms, but hey, just barely in stretches... and I still carried you to multiple league titles 8)
I'm still waiting to beat you and your friend 2 on 1 though. You can continue with the flame war if you want, it's reached the point where there's too much for me to lazily keep up with, my duel proposition still stands, if only because whoever wins at the game clearly wins at the argument... that's your point, right?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: taner on May 05, 2014, 01:45 PM
You've always been better than worms, but hey, just barely in stretches... and I still carried you to multiple league titles 8)
I'm still waiting to beat you and your friend 2 on 1 though. You can continue with the flame war if you want, it's reached the point where there's too much for me to lazily keep up with, my duel proposition still stands, if only because whoever wins at the game clearly wins at the argument... that's your point, right?
calm down warrior
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 02:04 PM
Sometimes it's good to have an independent opinion about a topic. So funnily enough while I was watching Tornis he started to talk about Dark Souls 2, here's what he had to say about this:
http://www.twitch.tv/tornis/b/526069217
At around 1:00:43
"Well I played the first Dark Souls, the game is about correct timing when you battle.. well it's all about the timings, dodges and all that in the battle systems. And that's it." (What I was telling you)
"It's pretty much the same feeling as I was experiencing Witcher 2 (another casual action game!) prior to the patches when the battle systems was really arcade-ish, and really depending on the timings. Its not something I would call, you know, super hard for myself. Since I have reactions. (Wow, after 20+ years of gaming I have acquired reactions as well, ropa) I need something different though, where my brain is also being challenged. Because I don't want to become like an idiot. (lmao)
So yeah, famous russian hardcore gamer, german hardcore gamer tell you DS is not special, require basic arcade-ish reactions which can be found in every action game. Just because it took your months to learn a simple action game does not make you good at gaming, if anything it made you look like a fool thinking DS has the hardest combat system on earth.
That's all I have to say, if you wanna PvP learn a game that is not based around a simple console controller that has 8 buttons to press. Learn games that require twitch skills like a shooter or if you don't like shooting people learn to play games such as Chivalry or War of the Vikings.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Husk on May 05, 2014, 02:11 PM
what about wow or LoL? o_O
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 02:13 PM
that casul is only talking about pve and is clearly casual
I'd probably beat your friend, you and him in a 3v1.
surely if it's all only reflexes you should easily beat me
you continue drawing casul analogies and echoing arguments from more casuls, whatever it takes to ignore my challenge i guess
bonus: here's an actal written piece from a respectful writter and not some idol of yours that streams from his basement http://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/02/dogs-and-definitions-unpacking-the-difficulty-of-dark-souls/
bonus 2: dark souls idol http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/04/01/is-dark-souls-a-100-hour-waste-of-time/
of course this is all about the PVE, where skill becomes irrelevant, like in most games, with enough knowledge (cookie cutter builds, cheese strategies, MAGIC). This is why you can overcome skill with mundane things, like memory, a great analogy to the biggest flaw of an education based on an ages old industry. That goes away in PVP, where knowledge only gets you so far, you need capacity of reaction, you need to be able to think, act, and react to a constantly changing enviroment that is completetly new to you. That's where the real gameplay skill of dark souls shines, that's where I beat you and all your friends alone having worse gear and stats. That's why Dark Souls is a RPG that takes actual skill, and Monster Hunter and such are all grind and preparation, like your beloved MMOs.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 02:24 PM
Okay now we are trolling. :D
Stop with this shitty RPG PvP, if you wanna PVP play games that are completely targeted as such. I don't give a f@#! about WoW PvP, DS PvP or MH PvP if it existed. RPGs are not suited for real eSports PVP just a fun side activity in the game itself. Hell even Worms "PvP" is more serious than any RPG.
You wanna PvP? Learn the games that have at least a decent amount of eSports compatibility. Even Worms has that.
You probably love DS PvP so much because it's filled with PvE players that have no idea about PvP and thus you "pwning" them is what gets you going. Continue to do so and wreck those noobs all day, you certainly are among the greatest PvP players. It's like you feel so proud at being good at something that no real PvPer takes serious anyway, lol.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 02:37 PM
you will have to eventually face the fact that you're a casual.
and that streamrolling through RPGs with cookie cutter builds or raiding in modern WoW is not changing that a bit
as a casual, you enjoy playing games at your pace, reading guides and overcoming feats by being overprepared. Knowing you're ultimately facing a NPC that you can outwit (most of the time).
As a casual, PVP is out of bonds for you as the adrenaline rush and most imporant, the fear of losing overcomes your curiosity of trying. You chose to make things taboo in your life based on imaginary prejudices you build up in order to (worst of all), enjoy playing games.
Here's a video that might help you:
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 02:45 PM
lol ropa, you are really on the losing side of this discussion. How many serious gamers do you know that would say wow DS best PvP game. What's dota, CS, CoD, SC2... let's go DS2 with it's awesome PvP matchmaking and skillful gameplay hell yeah it's so good you can earn 0$ by playing it. Surely there is the epicenter of pvp pros. Laughable, you have no idea about pvp ropa. Have you actually ever participated in a real pvp tournament with actual price money? Thought so. Noob!
3/4th of the moves in DS can be done in Legend of Zelda Ocarina of time. hahaha
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 02:52 PM
what a dumb question to make
how many harp users top the radio charts or lead in cd sales?
i've been platino since s2 in LoL not sure if the #1 esports game counts though. And yes, LoL takes quite a bit of skill, both in gameplay and in preparation. But it's mostly mechanical skill, one you learn and make automatic by sheer repetition. Dark Souls PVP is much more punishing but LoL is still much harder than Zelda, on all accounts.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 02:56 PM
Get it over with already, contact MI to put me on ignore. And after 1 month you unblock me and crawl back to me and I will pet you like last time. :)
You are still my friend though, I like you, nothing will change that. :-*
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 03:00 PM
i blocked you because you insisted on being a d3 casual
fast forward later you were doing all the things you said you wouldn't
i don't like you one bit i just comply to the fact we go back
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 03:19 PM
I just realized that you are the casual, you have 187hours on DS1 and 22 Hours on DS2 on Steam + the 100 Hours you told me 2 years ago on DS1 PS3 via PM on TUS.. wow you played DS1 around 300 hours... you know that's nothing? What a joke of a realization I thought you were actually playing. I am disappointed and want my time back discussing with you.
Btw this is your description of DS:
"It's a mix between rpg / action (casual) game with a mega hard ("hard") difficulty and it's all about abusing the game logic to become powerful and shit."
Abusing game logic is so suited for PvP indeed.
Also what I have noticed when you are not giving much thought into your postings you stop using proper punctuation and just write out of your ass, even Komodo used proper punctuation when he was mad.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Aerox on May 05, 2014, 05:08 PM
so if I tell you you're wrong with all your assumptions, like ignoring DS2 is also out on the PS3 and that I'm not mad you'd come with more bullshits in hope you're right about game dogma just because you misunderstood that gameplay didn't involve the strategy in grinding and preparing and managed to drag it all to the point now you either want a pat in the back or the last word: you can have both.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on May 05, 2014, 05:25 PM
relax, you both are non professional gamers => casual players xD
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Anubis on May 05, 2014, 06:44 PM
so if I tell you you're wrong with all your assumptions, like ignoring DS2 is also out on the PS3 and that I'm not mad you'd come with more bullshits in hope you're right about game dogma just because you misunderstood that gameplay didn't involve the strategy in grinding and preparing and managed to drag it all to the point now you either want a pat in the back or the last word: you can have both.
So, now after a few weeks, what is your impression on consoles? The PC version isn't out yet so knowing how long DS 2 lasts would be cool. :)
Yeah I ignored DS2 wasn't out on PS3. :)
I am just done, it's obvious you are trolling or not making any effort in seriously talking with me, it seems you just throw out random thoughts hoping one of many are correct. So, yeah have fun in your best game since gaming exists.
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: avirex on May 09, 2014, 04:26 PM
You can try fighting me with your flashy magic and your shield up... see how quickly that brings you to the ground
hahah you go girl!!! ropa will kick your ass in the game, and look good doing it baby!!
haha i have no idea why i read this thread... i have no real interest in gaming, im not even a "casual" as you like to call it... but i did watch the youtube video of the last boss?... looked pretty damn easy, just rolled around alot, and then hit him, and backed away.. im not even a gamer, and ill never claim to be, but it was very clear that if you know how the boss attacks, his combinations, and moves... its very easy to beat him... the boss only has 3 moves....
1) he swung the sword once (watch out) 2) he swung the sword twice! (omg) 3) he jumps in the air, and comes down on you if your dumb enough to stick around.. (time to run, dont worry about attack!)
despite my lack of gaming, i HAVE played zelda! i would have to agree with anubis!! lol similar moves... nothing ground breaking, thats for sure... atleast not from my noob perspective.
the game does look cool though, and im sure monster hunters is cool too, and ill bet WoW is a cool game as well, worms is pretty fun too, you should give it a try some time ropa.
you guys are both favoring your games, anubis has realized that, and has accepted that your a fanboy ropa.. and after keeping this thread alive for 8+ pages, i dont think there is anyone on TUS that has not realized your a fanboy...
just enjoy your game dude, it obviously brings you a great deal of happiness, and self achievement in your life... so rock on brother!! kick everyones ass in PVP while looking good dude!! peace
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: van on May 10, 2014, 03:52 PM
Anyone else not surprised ropa is just a filthy casu?
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: Statik on May 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
avirex, ropa is talking about pvp, all bosses in all games are easy when you know tactics :D
Title: Re: Dark Souls II interest check
Post by: avirex on May 11, 2014, 01:17 AM
statik... ropa talks about several different things... i think he touched on just about every aspect of this game in this thread :DD
did you miss when he said: Just wait until you reach a relatively early boss, the Ruin Sentinels, it's pretty WoWish, or it can be ;) Bosses are pretty varied, there's a lot of just melee and stuff, but overall, they're one of the big selling points of this game
or this?: It doesn't take half the skill. You guys are 10% into the game. Or 1%, since for most the real Dark Souls 2 starts in NG+ and you're making big analysis about the skill required in both games? :-X As if. I'd love to hear your experiences once you reach the last sinner on NG+, I'd love to see you try that alone with melee, should be easy, no?