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[SOLVED] is avoiding ok?

Started by avirex, August 28, 2010, 09:06 PM

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Chicken23

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Quote from: Komo on September 02, 2010, 08:31 PM

I am the type of person that does not let people insult me, if you are ok with people insulting you, or you can handle it differently, that is your choice, I don't like people disrespecting me, and I will always do something about it.


I can handle it differently and that was my point. Thats why some people who play here dont care how zippo and crash act because it doesnt bother them. They handle it differently. So why should they get banned because YOU have to do something about it?

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I honestly think if someone was REALLY REALLY annoying you, to the point it is affecting the fun you are having in a pub, you WOULD change pubs or try and get something done about it, the point is, you would not leave it alone, I know you Tom, you wouldn't let it continue the way it is, something would happen, whether you get into a fight with the guy, whether he leaves, you leave doesn't matter, the point is there would be a reaction and I honestly think you would be lying if you said otherwise.

Agreed. Of course i would do something to change something that bothered me. Thats why im here posting. It bothers me that you think your right and you thought zippo and crash should of been banned from league games due to their behaviour.

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And yes, I think I should have had a forum ban for some of the things I said, as should you, avi, jeff, nino etc, we all should have, I can accept this because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, if they are not, and they complain moan and cause MORE trouble through being banned, it just goes to show they can't handle the fact they are acting wrong according to the rules that got them the punishment in the 1st place.


Agreed. Forum ban seems appropiate but you were orginally saying they should get league bans.

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What I said about this is perfectly natural and correct, there are alot of places in the world where if you disrespect and insult someone the way zippo does, it will get you stabbed shot or possibly worse, this is a fact, your opinion to ignore this is your choice, it's life, it's the world, get used to it.


Its a worms league. He is not going to get shot or worse here. Hes disprectful and he got the appriotate penlties, a bad repuation and even a forum ban. I was debating about the relevence of you backing up your argument with something i found completely out of context. I can't deny that zippo would not get f@#!ed over if he acted like that in certain places in this world. But i doubt he even would act like that in real life. But why should TuS create a harsher environment? To control his behaviour. Yes i see what your saying but sometimes that does not always work. Lets see how he acts with this ban and see if things improve?

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I used my words very carefully with this statement and you haven't even took that into consideration, if you can't be bothered to read my words specifically then I won't bother with yours, but now come to think of it, I personally DO think you are a bit of a coward the way you are acting saying things like let them act like that, ignore them, lets all get alone, I also think you are being ignorant to the way other people think about this situation, i've already said I respect your opinion, I will not look down on you, you will still be my mate, I just think you care too much about how people look at you, if you were to look at yourself, you are having a go at me, because I feel they should be banned, and I am stating my opinion, trying to defend justice here, zippo/crash are the ones who have done most of the bad stuff and the worst of it, yet you stick up for them? And don't say you are not because you are, even if you are not intending to...


Of course im sticking up for them! Im trying to protect what banning them would represent. Banning them after everyone demanded it would of be a disaster. Just like the poll avirex made and your posts suggesting a full league ban. Im don't deny they are idiots but i don't beleive the opinons of a handful of wormers who dislike them is enough to get someone banned from a league. Im sticking up for their right to play leauge games and have fun. Could you imagine how much i would be sticking up for people who i considered my friends if they were looking at bans aswell? Thats what i did with ropa over at FB and it got me into loads of fights with kiros. Hell he even held a big enough grudge against me for years to repeatively hack the the worm leagues i was admin on.
In those leagues i had the exact same opinion there. Me and anubis even said how we would not want people to ever get banned from AL. That principle went over to xtc aswell. So now tell me how sticking up for people who i don't even respect is being a coward? I don't see alot of cowardacy in that. Im here, arguing with you publicly that they did not deserve a league ban.

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You would rather just let Zippo and crash continue to harass people and keep causing trouble, than actually do something about it and try to sort it out, this is what I refer to as being cowardly and selfish, and I totally think you are acting like this right now, I didn't say this is what you are all the time, and I didn't say "pussy" but right now you are showing signs of it, it doesn't mean I don't respect you or anything, so stop thinking things that I haven't directly and specifically or even technically said.

I would not rather just let zippo and crash continue to harash people, i was disagreeing that a league ban was the correct action. I have no problem with the forum ban that darkone and MI have decided to show. That is fiar to me. My point also was that those crimes you listed were so different that you do not have the same mindset with regards to each one. Opinions change due to different crimes and so does justice. Thats how you get different senestences right? Because crimes are situational. Just because it does not bother me seeing zippo insult someone does not mean i would sit there and watch some thugs mug an old woman and that is what it felt like you were suggesting of my personalilty. You said i struck you as the type of person to just not do anything about it just because of what you read from my posts!? How can you make that judgement about someone? I came here to argue you komo because what you were doing pissed me off. I did not just sit there and let you bully people with your opinions like you have previously done on this league. I don't see that as being a coward or selfish.

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Also on a side note, if you steal something, whether it be stationary from work, or a car, it is STILL STEALING, you can get sacked for stealing at work, grazing also, it is STILL WRONG, and you should STILL BE PUNISHED for it if you get caught, I have stole stuff before from jobs, I fully understand it is wrong and if I had been caught I would fully accept the consequences for my actions, Zippo/Crash have been caught red handed on multiple occasions and yet they go unpunished, it just isn't fair, no matter what your opinion is.

I agree. Once against i was not saying that shouldn't go unpunished i was saying they don't deserve a total league ban. Stealing bigger things has bigger consequences, just like reporting fake wins or creating an allais in this league would probably result in a stricter ban than attitude and sportsmanship problems.

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Tom, let's just agree to disagree, there is NOTHING we can both say to come to an agreement on this issue, you have your opinion, and I have my opinion, which I honestly think neither of us are wrong, or right, because the issues we talk about all depends on personal feelings and opinions, and nothing can be proven, however if you continue to post, so will I, because I am persistent enough in the things I believe in.

I agree. Saying if you countine to post you will too does not scare and i felt it necessary to post here even though i avoided doing so for some time because i knew what your reaction would be. I think sometimes you are the most stubborn person to grace these forums and that frustrated me. I have just as much right to express my opinion as you do. So here i am saying how i disagreed with you. Theres nothing wrong with that and there is nothing wrong with your replies either. We are both trying to show eachother our views and trying to get eachother to look at something from a different prespective. As i mentioned you bully people with your opinions and you always have to have the last word. You had to have the last word with avi with the w2roper topic. The arguments with CF and all that stuff about clan playoffs and what not. I just hope you can be abit more openminded and understand that there are always two sides to an argument.

I think maybe you should of taken some time to read my posts too. Because as ive already mentioned with this one about zippo, we both agree that a forum ban is approitate. you wanted more, i was saying it shouldnt be more. I think whats happened here is fair. So i don't see the problem that me and you should have with this topic anymore.

TheKomodo

Enough said here, we agree that we have our own perspective on things, and I am glad you are mature enough to realise this.

1 thing though, I am not a bully, I express my views on whatever it is, just like anyone else, it might seem like a stubborn manner to you, and vice versa as you look stubborn to me, but those are just exaggerations, I wouldn't say stubborn, i'd say, passionate towards an opinion, I just take it further than most would because I am that passionate about it, and anything else in my life, I NEVER give up on anything I am interested in, that, is what makes me successful in most cases, yes I get it wrong sometimes, but you will never know unless you try, it's progression, sometimes you have to make your case even if the odds are extremely challenging.

Anyway, I never bullied anyone, because each and every thread only lasted a week at the most, and at the end of it, for example, when a decision was made, I never posted again did I? I am only posting now because you mentioned that I bully people. and if you are talking in regards to Zippo, how is standing up to someone who kind of in a way bullies everyone else? I really hope you take this statement back please, and I apologise for calling you cowardly etc.

I done what I had to do, the outcome of this thread proves otherwise, I am 99% confident Zippo would not have even received a forum ban if not for some of the powerful things that I said and produced, and in turn also, the things you said, because both sides of this debate provided extremely powerful points and truth to the matter, the outcome was a fair punishment that left everyone happy, it should always be like this.

Chicken23

I agree. And your not a bully. Im no coward. I aplogise for saying that

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Free

So let me get this straight?

Me and Nino got a warning but Zippo didn't?

Random00

Zippo got a temporary Forums ban I think. Thats kinda more then a warning ;d


avirex

tbh, i dont think anyone read all your posts, except for you and chicken... they are all long and tediace ( spelling :) )

the bits that i did read, b4 just scanning and jumping to the next long ass post... i would have to agree with both.

i dont think zippo needs to be banned from league.. but a ban from forums is perfect.. chicken made a good point, each crime is situational, like, if u steal a candy bar, u will not go to jail... if u steal a car, u probably will... but what he failed to mention after that good point is....

when you steal a candy bar, u get a fine.... when u steal a candy bar again, u get a probation... when u steal a candy bar again, u are put on house arrest.... when u steal a candy bar again, they are sick and tired of u stealing the god damn, mother f@#!ing, stupid shit, cock sucking f@#!in candy bar... get ur ass in the big house...

i feel as if zippo stole 1 too many candy bars... but lets see if the forum ban changes his attitude a bit.


ps: i was willing to let it go previously, that nino and free got a warning and i did not.. but that was b4 i see the big green sexy dot.. im really kinda annoyed by this.. i feel i deserve one..

MI: can i please have a warning?

NinjaCamel

rofl avi, at least i read them too!xd

and yea that forum ban sounds better than good imo
"since most people tend to the order side, its my job to spread chaos" -peja


Anubis

Both, Chicken and Komo are right. In a different forum/community w/e you would be both satisfied. Tom could ignore people that have a bad behavior because, well, within 2-3 hours such people would be banned from the forums anyway. Komo could complain about someone that is insulting other people and within 2-3 hours they would be banned. Yes in other communities and forums you get banned for something like this easily. This forum/community is a special place that's why it isn't handled like any other place would do with this situation. Even such kinds of threads would be closed shortly and the one opening this thread would be warned, or ,because this is not the first thread, banned.

The problem is, that if you once have it to this point you can't go back. Or you will be called biased (look at FB). If you don't punish people for bad behavior in the very first place ( I am sure there were similar or worse situations months ago) it will go out of hand and the whole bad behavior thing is getting out of control. This discussion shouldn't even be held.

Let me take this straight to the owner/mods to this league:

Is it allowed to insult, have bad sportsmanship in the league? (It does NOT matter who started to insult, or cause the insults months/years ago) If player 1 first gets insulted by player 2 and then player 1 insults back: warn/bann both. That is how you should handle this, make clear guidelines.

Because right now nobody knows what is really going on, some may think Zippo and nino/free got warned/forum banned because the pressure of the community put on you caused you to react. But in my honest opinion, that is totally wrong. Have you got no rules set up for forum behavior or in-game behavior? If not, do it immediately. If you decide to say, well people should handle it themselves because we don't want to be like league XY, well why do you care about a past league that has died? This is your league, make it clear to everyone and whoever can't adapt to that, well upper right is the 'x' button.

Just my opinion that I have gathered through various other leagues/forums/communities. :)

P.S.: I highly doubt it is possible to make the ultimate site for everyone. :p

nino

i would post something. but i wont, cos i already have a warn, iam afraid :(
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beer

f@#! these warnings! lets have a ban!!  ::)


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