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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: Sbaffo on May 30, 2016, 02:04 PM
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You guys ready for the drama?
I've sent this to MI yesterday:
Hello MI!
Yesterday i asked Lukz to play tus (in private). Since i was sure he was ignoring me on purpose, i spammed him:
(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
No answer.
5 minute later, he went tusing with dibz in ag:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:21 dt-dibzz: tus anyone
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:48 wLukz: me dibz
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:51 wLukz: host up
At this point i get a bit mad.
(User) 29/05/2016 19:55:44 Sbaffo`: i asked you tus 100 times
(User) 29/05/2016 19:55:47 Sbaffo`: why the f@#! you avoiding me
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:55:47 wLukz: is away: I am playing!
But i didn't give up, i wanted know why he was avoiding me. Meanwhile he played other 2 tus with senator and during this conversation he was asking to him for 2 more:
(User) 29/05/2016 22:07:28 Sbaffo`: hello? tus? still avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:08:29 Sbaffo`: you could play tus with me instead of asking senator for 2 more
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:46 wLukz: xD
(User) 29/05/2016 22:10:54 Sbaffo`: why?
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:57 wLukz: u are very agressive to play and speak xd
(User) 29/05/2016 22:11:10 Sbaffo`: show me a chat where i've been rude with you
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:11:14 wLukz: its hard enjoy a game with you
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:11:24 wLukz: just see our last tus
(User) 29/05/2016 22:11:52 Sbaffo`: done
(User) 29/05/2016 22:12:21 Sbaffo`: there's not a single direct insult
(User) 29/05/2016 22:13:21 Sbaffo`: you're actually afraid to lose points
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:13:27 wLukz: i am not speaking about insults
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:05 wLukz: i speak about of enjoy a game and play quiet
(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:19 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:27 wLukz: na, dibz is better that u
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:33 wLukz: and i play with him
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:35 wLukz: xD
(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:42 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:15:07 wLukz: no, i can't, my english isn't good, sorry
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:39 Sbaffo`: well if you don't like that i write in the chat or what i say just ignore me
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:45 Sbaffo`: ctrl+f1
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:49 Sbaffo`: it's not that hard
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:56 Sbaffo`: you're actually afraid to lose points
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:16:10 wLukz: yea, that is coz i play with dibz
(User) 29/05/2016 22:16:43 Sbaffo`: so you admit that's you're avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:19:12 Sbaffo`: Come on answer
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:16 wLukz: is away: I am playing!
(User) 29/05/2016 22:19:20 Sbaffo`: i'll talk about admins about your behaviour
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:24 wLukz: is away: I am playing!
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:32 wLukz: i will finish our tus with ren
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:36 wLukz: he left yesterday
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:40 wLukz: see ya mate
These were our 2 last games, which the only thing i did was complaining about him hiding top:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209240/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209240/)
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209241/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209241/)
He's been avoiding me for at least 1 week and i don't like this, i can't get 1st because i've got limits with many players and this guy avoids me for apparently no reason (?), and it looks like he's been doing that with Daina also, in addition Lalo had already told me about his behaviour:
(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:36:52 lalo: btw have you played with lukz?
(User) 15/05/2016 19:37:00 Sbaffo`: i did yesterday, why?^
(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:37:26 lalo: oh nothing, I thought he was just asking fur tus via pm
(User) 15/05/2016 19:37:37 Sbaffo`: lol, does he do it?
(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:37:48 lalo: kinda lol
So, apparently avoiding tus via pm is allowed on this league?
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This was his answer:
Hi,
You should post it on leagues complaint board. If moderators agree, they'll give you a free win which forces the other player to play that game with you.
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*popcorn*
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Baffa!!
Nevermind dude..let this puto play who he wants...if hes avoiding ur cock..that means it is big and strong... got his address? send antrax! hauhauhua
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(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u
Didn't see anything in the previous game chats that would justify avoiding (I've complained about mid/top hiding to Lukz too). Dunno why he wants to avoid Sbaffo but still plays vs dibz, though :-X
Free win approved anyway. Lukz has one week to play the game if he wants (or 5 days coz the season is ending).
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"Avoiding" someone, then playing with wormer of dibz's integrity 5 mins later - should not be called avoiding at all.
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As I said, I don't get why he avoided Sbaffo but it's a fact that he did. Unless Lukz provides logs where Sbaffo insulted him or something, Sbaffo is entitled to a free win.
Lukz to me:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:04:49 wLukz: more? 0:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:04:55 wLukz: look like no clanners xD
(User) 29/05/2016 22:07:28 Sbaffo`: hello? tus? still avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:08:29 Sbaffo`: you could play tus with me instead of asking senator for 2 more
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u
AG channel:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:18:41 reN`s: tus ne1?
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:18:47 wLukz: oye ren
(Action) 29/05/2016 22:19:13 wLukz: is hosting a game: tus (ren cancelled the match so Lukz played 2 more against me instead)
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does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
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i spammed him:
(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
What was you trying to achieve by flooding someone like that? Imagine some random nab coming in #AG and start flooding you like that, how much happy would you be?
if I was Lukz, I'd start avoiding you too
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(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:42 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:15:07 wLukz: no, i can't, my english isn't good, sorry
Best excuse auhauh My English very little English!
it seems Lukz doesn't like certain users, he also kicked me yesterday... it's ok, we cannot like everybody, this community is still alive cause of dramassssss uahuhaa
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If u noticed there was a 6 mins gap between the first and second "tus?" Sbaffo started flooding because Lukz ignored him.
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does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.
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does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
Doing it more than once implies that you're avoiding actually. Also i'm fighting for the 4th overall position and the 1st season position, and, as i cannot play almost anyone because of the game limits, he must play me.
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I would avoid behavior as annoying as that too. Is there some rule that dictates that you have to play a game vs. someone if they ask?
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i spammed him:
(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
What was you trying to achieve by flooding someone like that? Imagine some random nab coming in #AG and start flooding you like that, how much happy would you be?
if I was Lukz, I'd start avoiding you too
I'd immediatly answer someone who'd do that instead of ignoring him.
I would avoid behavior as annoying as that too. Is there some rule that dictates that you have to play a game vs. someone if they ask?
You don't play league, get out from these forums and go play some "competitive" matches
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does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.
could you please link me to the rules section telling about these differences, or show me any conversation with mods about a definition of avoiding? i asked when this rule got introduced, franz just said: "mods will look at each case". ropa was the only one trying to give a definition:
"What is proof is taking a picture of someone asking to TUS for half an hour and when you ask him to he ignores you / joins a different game of someone who asked afterwards etc..."
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does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.
could you please link me to the rules section telling about these differences, or show me any conversation with mods about a definition of avoiding? i asked when this rule got introduced, franz just said: "mods will look at each case". ropa was the only one trying to give a definition:
"What is proof is taking a picture of someone asking to TUS for half an hour and when you ask him to he ignores you / joins a different game of someone who asked afterwards etc..."
If you'd read the first post you could see that lukz actually did that
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you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.
and that's the next best thing to having a league format where everyone plays everyone once or twice.
many rules of this league lose all coherency if we don't assume you're supposed to play whoever is immediately available and not nitpick - it defeats the purpose of the ladder.
this is a no argument anyway, Lukz himself manifested that he was avoiding Baffo so that's that. Whether he chose to play a player of similar or higher skill level instead doesn't change the fact that Baffo is losing potential points due to Lukz nitpicking who he plays. I wouldn't have personally done anything with just the first logs, because many things can happen and you can't force people to do anything, but Lukz admitted he didn't want to play a particular player, so - no argument.
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1st. Lukz is too good to afraid any1.
2nd. There is no rule about forcing someone to play with the other.
If he dont like u or dont like to play with u, he can to not play with ya.
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avoiding isn't or shouldn't be about skill. It's about third parties having influence in who gets to playoffs.
It can be used in many ways not necessarily to avoid loses, but to avoid people gaining points in favor of friends / clanmates.
it shouldn't be up to people outside of PO to have influence in who gets in the PO. It should be up to those in the top 8 or 16 or whatever. Or as close as possible to achieving that.
we eliminate the influence by the first come first served rule. Lukz shouldn't get to choose who loses or wins between Baffo and Dibz (let's say two potential PO players) but he's going to influence by making either win or lose points. To remove his influence we use the "play whoever asks" and that's why it's always been either bad mannered or illegal, depending on league, to do what Lukz does here.
It's easy to ignore a player mechanically in WA. If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?
In a world where things make sense.
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he must play me.
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He must play you only if, after asking "tus any1", you are the first to reply.
Apparently, he doesn't like you. Not that big of a deal.
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avoiding isn't or shouldn't be about skill. It's about third parties having influence in who gets to playoffs.
It can be used in many ways not necessarily to avoid loses, but to avoid people gaining points in favor of friends / clanmates.
it shouldn't be up to people outside of PO to have influence in who gets in the PO. It should be up to those in the top 8 or 16 or whatever. Or as close as possible to achieving that.
we eliminate the influence by the first come first served rule. Lukz shouldn't get to choose who loses or wins between Baffo and Dibz (let's say two potential PO players) but he's going to influence by making either win or lose points. To remove his influence we use the "play whoever asks" and that's why it's always been either bad mannered or illegal, depending on league, to do what Lukz does here.
It's easy to ignore a player mechanically in WA. If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?
In a world where things make sense.
If anyone needs banned, it's you, lol.
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avoiding isn't or shouldn't be about skill. It's about third parties having influence in who gets to playoffs.
It can be used in many ways not necessarily to avoid loses, but to avoid people gaining points in favor of friends / clanmates.
it shouldn't be up to people outside of PO to have influence in who gets in the PO. It should be up to those in the top 8 or 16 or whatever. Or as close as possible to achieving that.
we eliminate the influence by the first come first served rule. Lukz shouldn't get to choose who loses or wins between Baffo and Dibz (let's say two potential PO players) but he's going to influence by making either win or lose points. To remove his influence we use the "play whoever asks" and that's why it's always been either bad mannered or illegal, depending on league, to do what Lukz does here.
It's easy to ignore a player mechanically in WA. If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?
In a world where things make sense.
I agree with what you said. I am not so sure about this though " If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?" Further explanation?
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he must play me.
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He must play you only if, after asking "tus any1", you are the first to reply.
Apparently, he doesn't like you. Not that big of a deal.
Asking it in ag is as same as doing it private, since every player in ag reached the limits with me, i wait someone to log in and ask in private.
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Asking it in ag is as same as doing it private, since every player in ag reached the limits with me, i wait someone to log in and ask in private.
I meant: only if HE is the one asking for tus and you're the first to reply - that's the only scenario when he MUST play against you.
If you ask and he don't want - that's his right. Like hussar said - lukz probably isn't feared of anyone here. If you accused asbest for avoiding, it would have more sense. Imo.
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avoiding isn't or shouldn't be about skill. It's about third parties having influence in who gets to playoffs.
It can be used in many ways not necessarily to avoid loses, but to avoid people gaining points in favor of friends / clanmates.
it shouldn't be up to people outside of PO to have influence in who gets in the PO. It should be up to those in the top 8 or 16 or whatever. Or as close as possible to achieving that.
we eliminate the influence by the first come first served rule. Lukz shouldn't get to choose who loses or wins between Baffo and Dibz (let's say two potential PO players) but he's going to influence by making either win or lose points. To remove his influence we use the "play whoever asks" and that's why it's always been either bad mannered or illegal, depending on league, to do what Lukz does here.
It's easy to ignore a player mechanically in WA. If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?
In a world where things make sense.
I agree with what you said. I am not so sure about this though " If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?" Further explanation?
well I mean, how hard is it to ctrl+F someone who annoys you in chat? that should be the main course of action not just expect everyone to act to your liking.
If someone is so much of a weirdo that instantly starts criticizing your mother or your religion from the moment you accept to TUS him, in the various lobbies before giving you the chance to even ignore him. Or if someone makes a hassle out of picks that makes getting a game going with him a real issue then the issue should be whether or not he should be allowed to be playing league games to begin with, because giving people a free pass to avoid these kind of characters (if they exist at all) will still be somewhat adulterating the league.
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avoiding isn't or shouldn't be about skill. It's about third parties having influence in who gets to playoffs.
It can be used in many ways not necessarily to avoid loses, but to avoid people gaining points in favor of friends / clanmates.
it shouldn't be up to people outside of PO to have influence in who gets in the PO. It should be up to those in the top 8 or 16 or whatever. Or as close as possible to achieving that.
we eliminate the influence by the first come first served rule. Lukz shouldn't get to choose who loses or wins between Baffo and Dibz (let's say two potential PO players) but he's going to influence by making either win or lose points. To remove his influence we use the "play whoever asks" and that's why it's always been either bad mannered or illegal, depending on league, to do what Lukz does here.
It's easy to ignore a player mechanically in WA. If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?
In a world where things make sense.
I agree with what you said. I am not so sure about this though " If a player is so much of a hassle that someone refuses to play him in a game due to the way he behaves then surely he should be also banned from the website and posting in the forum?" Further explanation?
well I mean, how hard is it to ctrl+F someone who annoys you in chat? that should be the main course of action not just expect everyone to act to your liking.
If someone is so much of a weirdo that instantly starts criticizing your mother or your religion from the moment you accept to TUS him, in the various lobbies before giving you the chance to even ignore him. Or if someone makes a hassle out of picks that makes getting a game going with him a real issue then the issue should be whether or not he should be allowed to be playing league games to begin with, because giving people a free pass to avoid these kind of characters (if they exist at all) will still be somewhat adulterating the league.
Thank you for explaining.
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There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.
could you please link me to the rules section telling about these differences, or show me any conversation with mods about a definition of avoiding? i asked when this rule got introduced, franz just said: "mods will look at each case". ropa was the only one trying to give a definition:
"What is proof is taking a picture of someone asking to TUS for half an hour and when you ask him to he ignores you / joins a different game of someone who asked afterwards etc..."
I don't think there's written definition of avoiding. As u quoted, avoiding is when u look for tus and refuse to play against certain player. It doesn't necessarily require "tus anyone" from the avoider. If u ask someone tus in PM, that's the same thing as u would write "tus anyone" on the channel. If someone asks u tus in PM and a moment later u accept tus with someone else, that may be considered avoiding (at least if it happens several times). Lukz wrote "me tus" on the channel so it was easy to see when he accepted tus with other player. But he admitted avoiding himself so it was a clear case anyway.
So "play whoever asks" as ropa said is basically the rule but I think it applies mainly to playoff contenders. Avoiding between PO contenders and noobs may not be punished. Also, if u have already played like 10 games against player X, u may not be punished for refusing to play against him and accepting tus against other player for a change. Common sense can be used here ;)
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Since both are PO contenders it's very likely they are forced to play each other anyway. I don't see the logic in being able to avoid beforehand.
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Presumably everyone in the PO positions can report a free win vs Asbest then?
EDIT: ah he's been opted out, nevermind
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Are you kidding me... >:(
1) I agree with Lukz, Sbaffo is a pain in the ass.
2) You can check my games' logs with Sbaffo for similar 'insults'.
3) I couldn't pick up from this thread what avoiding is according to the mods, but I do know this: avoiding has to be when someone avoids more than one player. For example, I can see why Asbest is an avoider.
4) What's the biggest purpose of this league, or any league for that matter? Some might say competition. But why we want competition? Because it's fun for us. In the end we play to have fun. Now lets say one *particular* player makes me uncomfortable, as Lukz was trying to say using his bad English, do I have to play with him only so I don't lose points to free wins? Does this make sense to you?
5) Did someone ask Lukz to see this thread and give a statement? OR are you actually expecting him to see it by himself?
6) Yesterday, before seeing this thread, Sbaffo asked me for tus and I told him directly and clearly that I will not play with him unless I have to (because he pissess me off). That makes me an avoider like Lukz. I wonder why he didn't report this btw. However - if I'm forced to play someone who pissess me off because of a stupid rule - then you can expect rule abuse for many times people 'avoid' me. And after I do this , many more people will, and soon this league will become one of free games.
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6) Yesterday, before seeing this thread, Sbaffo asked me for tus and I told him directly and clearly that I will not play with him unless I have to (because he pissess me off). That makes me an avoider like Lukz. I wonder why he didn't report this btw. However - if I'm forced to play someone who pissess me off because of a stupid rule - then you can expect rule abuse for many times people 'avoid' me. And after I do this , many more people will, and soon this league will become one of free games.
It's simple. I can understand i pissed you last time, because i REALLY DID insult you, in additipn you immediatly told me the reason. It's reasonable in this case. On the other hand, Lukz did this for a whole day without answering me while asking tus in private, like to "troll" me. When i noticed this i got literally pissed off and f@#!ing spammed him. When he gave me that answer i was even more pissed off, because i didn't even insilt him and he's either a scumbag and everyone know that.
If you don't want to play with me Almog, it's ok, i don't blame you.
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All wise you have become... Maybe Sbaffo was aggressive, but now he's more mature... I don't see anything wrong in your last chat games with him. The fact is that you are old, men, while he was a kiddo, but since he found a girl he has changed. ahhahau Hormons, age, hunger to win, these things can make you aggressive.. but I don't see anything wrong in his last games. While you, the men of AG, sound every day more and more complainers and spoiled "no I don't play this scheme because I don't like it, no I don't play with you because I don't like you..." ma vaffanculo"
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Are you kidding me... >:(
1) I agree with Lukz, Sbaffo is a pain in the ass.
2) You can check my games' logs with Sbaffo for similar 'insults'.
3) I couldn't pick up from this thread what avoiding is according to the mods, but I do know this: avoiding has to be when someone avoids more than one player. For example, I can see why Asbest is an avoider.
4) What's the biggest purpose of this league, or any league for that matter? Some might say competition. But why we want competition? Because it's fun for us. In the end we play to have fun. Now lets say one *particular* player makes me uncomfortable, as Lukz was trying to say using his bad English, do I have to play with him only so I don't lose points to free wins? Does this make sense to you?
5) Did someone ask Lukz to see this thread and give a statement? OR are you actually expecting him to see it by himself?
6) Yesterday, before seeing this thread, Sbaffo asked me for tus and I told him directly and clearly that I will not play with him unless I have to (because he pissess me off). That makes me an avoider like Lukz. I wonder why he didn't report this btw. However - if I'm forced to play someone who pissess me off because of a stupid rule - then you can expect rule abuse for many times people 'avoid' me. And after I do this , many more people will, and soon this league will become one of free games.
6 points explaining why you can't CTRL+F
some people are just walking moral pedestals
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2) You can check my games' logs with Sbaffo for similar 'insults'.
3) I couldn't pick up from this thread what avoiding is according to the mods, but I do know this: avoiding has to be when someone avoids more than one player. For example, I can see why Asbest is an avoider.
4) What's the biggest purpose of this league, or any league for that matter? Some might say competition. But why we want competition? Because it's fun for us. In the end we play to have fun. Now lets say one *particular* player makes me uncomfortable, as Lukz was trying to say using his bad English, do I have to play with him only so I don't lose points to free wins? Does this make sense to you?
5) Did someone ask Lukz to see this thread and give a statement? OR are you actually expecting him to see it by himself?
6) Yesterday, before seeing this thread, Sbaffo asked me for tus and I told him directly and clearly that I will not play with him unless I have to (because he pissess me off). That makes me an avoider like Lukz. I wonder why he didn't report this btw. However - if I'm forced to play someone who pissess me off because of a stupid rule - then you can expect rule abuse for many times people 'avoid' me. And after I do this , many more people will, and soon this league will become one of free games.
2) I just saw u complaining about Elite map when u had already started the game (= u accepted the map). "you're supposed to be an elitist" sounds like a reasonable response to me ;D
3) avoiding is when u look for tus and refuse to play against certain player. It doesn't necessarily require "tus anyone" from the avoider. If u ask someone tus in PM, that's the same thing as u would write "tus anyone" on the channel. If someone asks u tus in PM and a moment later u accept tus with someone else, that may be considered avoiding (at least if it happens several times).
Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that
4) As long as a player behaves according to the rules, you can't really avoid him because of your personal opinion. I'm not sure if exceptions are made here, though, like between tita and Kins who have a history ;D
5) Lukz admitted avoiding in the logs so it was a clear case. I also said "unless Lukz provides logs where Sbaffo insulted him or something". Lukz did find this thread very soon.
6) Yeah Sbaffo told me about that. You have already played 8 games with Sbaffo this season, though, whereas Lukz had played only 2 games. I'm not sure if players should be forced to play all 14-15 games.
I don't see how you can "abuse" the rule. You need to have someone looking for tus and refusing to play against u and also sufficient evidence to back it up. Also, keep in mind that the avoider has always one week to play the game. Getting a free win reported against u shouldn't be a problem if u were not really avoiding.
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This avoiding thing is could open a can of worms *ahem*
What if someone asks for TUS in the channel and you ask someone else via PM?
You picked/targeted your opponent instead of taking the open offer - sneaky avoiding.
The person who asked won't know though.
Asking for league games could be half of the battle...
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This avoiding thing is could open a can of worms *ahem*
What if someone asks for TUS in the channel and you ask someone else via PM?
You picked/targeted your opponent instead of taking the open offer - sneaky avoiding.
The person who asked won't know though.
Asking for league games could be half of the battle...
he must play me.
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He must play you only if, after asking "tus any1", you are the first to reply.
Apparently, he doesn't like you. Not that big of a deal.
Asking it in ag is as same as doing it private, since every player in ag reached the limits with me, i wait someone to log in and ask in private.
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No need to justify yourself, was highlighting a clear flaw with the avoiding logic.
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I don't see how you can "abuse" the rule. You need to have someone looking for tus and refusing to play against u and also sufficient evidence to back it up. Also, keep in mind that the avoider has always one week to play the game. Getting a free win reported against u shouldn't be a problem if u were not really avoiding.
if its true, you need to void this game because lukz was never looking for tus :D
jokes aside, the last sentence concerns me. one thing has always been certain about this league: "we dont want free wins". now we have a mod saying the opposite, do you have backup from the admin on this?
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if its true, you need to void this game because lukz was never looking for tus :D
Do I need to quote myself again?
looking for tus = 1) "tus anyone" on the channel 2) ask tus via PM 3) accept tus against a player right after ignoring other player
Lukz asked tus via PM and also accepted tus right after ignoring Sbaffo. Not to mention he admitted avoiding.
jokes aside, the last sentence concerns me. one thing has always been certain about this league: "we dont want free wins". now we have a mod saying the opposite, do you have backup from the admin on this?
I guess
You can report a free win of your pick, but Asbest is still allowed to change his mind and play the game if he wants. In case you lose, winners will be switched.
This ^
Other people should act same way as Senator. Provide logs and screenshots of AG.
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he did not ask for tus via pm, thats my problem with the case.
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I provided logs where Lukz asked me tus via PM, then refused to play against Sbaffo and then accepted tus against reN.
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I provided logs where Lukz asked me tus via PM, then refused to play against Sbaffo and then accepted tus against reN.
this complaint is only about sbaffo afaik. its funny you think the asbest case gives you the right to do this.
case 1: someone avoids any player who played more than 3 games on this league
case 2: someone gets asked to play, from 2 players, with the roughly the same skill, at about the same time and choses to play the one he does not dislike.
sorry bro, cant see the connection
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For the record - I did NOT accept the map. How can I accept it if I'm not the host (because I couldn't) and he doesn't show me a preview?
And the elitist thing - this really drove me insane. So if you're a ttrr-ist, I would draw a map of START - FINISH (as close as it is possible) and u should beat me in it. right? OR a roper map having two small pixels in each side. Give me a break. Every scheme should be played on an appropriate map, his map wasn't.
5) Lukz admitted avoiding in the logs so it was a clear case. I also said "unless Lukz provides logs where Sbaffo insulted him or something". Lukz did find this thread very soon.
6) Yeah Sbaffo told me about that. You have already played 8 games with Sbaffo this season, though, whereas Lukz had played only 2 games. I'm not sure if players should be forced to play all 14-15 games.
I also admitted avoiding in the logs.
Some poople admit to the police of crimes everyday, eventhough they are innocent. It's a matter of prespective. And to my prespective, Lukz's avoiding was rightous. I wouldn't even call this avoiding, just rejecting.
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the point is that they admitted and said: No, I don t want to play with you.
and ofc the fact would have not be noticed if the active players were more than 10 ahahah
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This whole discussion is actually so retarded because the avoiding problem can be fixed really easily: Just include a matchmaking system on the site and make it obligatory to use for classic league. AL or TPL had this, but they made the mistake to still allow people to pick their opponents so in the end only very few people used it (obviously, because many prefer the easy points over a random opponent which could technically be Mablak or Random00).
In the current state where you can play vs anyone at any time, people are gonna avoid certain players, it's bound to happen and the witch hunting is just dumb.
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I provided logs where Lukz asked me tus via PM, then refused to play against Sbaffo and then accepted tus against reN.
this complaint is only about sbaffo afaik. its funny you think the asbest case gives you the right to do this.
case 1: someone avoids any player who played more than 3 games on this league
case 2: someone gets asked to play, from 2 players, with the roughly the same skill, at about the same time and choses to play the one he does not dislike.
sorry bro, cant see the connection
Outsiders are not allowed to provide logs and bust an avoider or wtf? Lukz asked for tus via PM unlike u claimed.
I guess u didn't see this:
This was his answer:
Hi,
You should post it on leagues complaint board. If moderators agree, they'll give you a free win which forces the other player to play that game with you.
Sbaffo and dibz didn't ask at the same time. Sbaffo asked first and then some minutes later dibz asked. Maybe Lukz accepted tus against dibz because dibz was reachable on the season standings unlike Sbaffo? Who knows and the reason is irrelevant.
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Lukz is definitely not an avoider, he is one of the greatest overall players there has ever been, he has beat/lost against the best players there are.
He doesn't like Sbaffo which I can understand because Baffo has been annoying as hell to him, and it doesn't matter if he has changed and is nice guy now to Lukz cuz in Lukz eyes he will always be arrogant annoying little kid.
Lukz actually plays the game professionally, he enjoys peace and quiet to play game, like real life sports like Snooker etc, Sbaffo is the one who constantly whines and moans about stuff other players does quite regulary, no wonder people get fed up with him.
If you give Sbaffo a free win because of this, you are opening up flood games forcing players to play against people they don't even like, and eventually they will get fed up and do something else, end result = TUS loses activity.
I understand it's frustrating for Sbaffo, he wants to play everyone he can to maximize his points, but in the end it's his own fault for being a d**k to people in the past.
And if Sbaffo wanted to fix this he wouldn't be here posting this c**p he would calmly chill out and let time heal the wounds, then approach Lukz at a later date,
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You make Lukz sound like a childish horrible person that holds virtual grudges over the internet and can't see past people changing, one of the most usual things in life.
"not playing someone I don't like" is one of this new millennial problems. It was never a thing. There should be a bigger incentive to beat someone you don't like and steal points from him, but that's irrelevant, I've said it many times, use the built in game ignore function, it's in your power, if cyber text people write in a chat is enough to cause a reaction on you and change your feeling state do what's in your power and stop adulterating the league with shitty personal opinions about how you think people should behave, my god, it's sickening. You have a simple solution, and yet you choose to try and change other people, it's rich, it's the kind of justice warrior attitude that plagues the internet. Grow up. Press a keyboard combination of two keys, solve the problem.
where are you going to draw the line? I don't like anyone, so I get to avoid and nitpick all my opponents, alright, fantastic.
edit: what would happen if sbaffo's clan played lukz clan, but sbaffo was merely spectating? would lukz refuse to play unless sbaffo left the game? Think of how ridiculous you sound.
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This whole discussion is actually so retarded because the avoiding problem can be fixed really easily: Just include a matchmaking system on the site and make it obligatory to use for classic league. AL or TPL had this, but they made the mistake to still allow people to pick their opponents so in the end only very few people used it (obviously, because many prefer the easy points over a random opponent which could technically be Mablak or Random00).
In the current state where you can play vs anyone at any time, people are gonna avoid certain players, it's bound to happen and the witch hunting is just dumb.
This.
I have already asked for it, more than once, but none wants to listen me, league is the new "normal funners" as everyone rather play their favourite scheme/opponent and avoid everyone and finally bragging about some fake ratings, which in the 40% of the cases don't even fit the skill level of the player. Don't let me talk about clanner league...
And lol, avoiding because of getting some insults on the internet is probably the most ridicolous thing (my behaviour is not even that toxic), if you guys can't deal with it just ignore, either you have some problems if you get frustrated by playing someone you dislike. Grow some pair of balls.
Lukz is definitely not an avoider, he is one of the greatest overall players there has ever been, he has beat/lost against the best players there are.
He doesn't like Sbaffo which I can understand because Baffo has been annoying as hell to him, and it doesn't matter if he has changed and is nice guy now to Lukz cuz in Lukz eyes he will always be arrogant annoying little kid.
Lukz actually plays the game professionally, he enjoys peace and quiet to play game, like real life sports like Snooker etc, Sbaffo is the one who constantly whines and moans about stuff other players does quite regulary, no wonder people get fed up with him.
If you give Sbaffo a free win because of this, you are opening up flood games forcing players to play against people they don't even like, and eventually they will get fed up and do something else, end result = TUS loses activity.
I understand it's frustrating for Sbaffo, he wants to play everyone he can to maximize his points, but in the end it's his own fault for being a d**k to people in the past.
And if Sbaffo wanted to fix this he wouldn't be here posting this c**p he would calmly chill out and let time heal the wounds, then approach Lukz at a later date,
What kind of bullshit is this? I wonder if you've ever seen me complaining about maps/scheme or avoiding anyone (as the 80% do on this league )? Ido rarely judge people by their style of gaming, am i not allowed to do that? I've been told by so many people that'l he's a scumbag and i've been proved it more than once. Your post is completely wrong, sorry.
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edit: what would happen if sbaffo's clan played lukz clan, but sbaffo was merely spectating? would lukz refuse to play unless sbaffo left the game? Think of how ridiculous you sound.
lukz kicks any spectators to prevent such a thing from happening ;D
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Brb avoiding.
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You make Lukz sound like a childish horrible person that holds virtual grudges over the internet and can't see past people changing, one of the most usual things in life.
No, that's how you choose to perceive it.
"not playing someone I don't like" is one of this new millennial problems. It was never a thing. There should be a bigger incentive to beat someone you don't like and steal points from him,
It isn't bad to want to avoid people who annoy you, and it isn't bad to want to put them in their place either, people are different and if everyone was the same the world would be a boring place.
What kind of bullshit is this? I wonder if you've ever seen me complaining about maps/scheme or avoiding anyone (as the 80% do on this league )? Ido rarely judge people by their style of gaming, am i not allowed to do that? I've been told by so many people that'l he's a scumbag and i've been proved it more than once. Your post is completely wrong, sorry.
Ok first of all Sbaffo, in terms of having balls, always trying to improve and play/beat the best players, you are extremely impressive, and I wish everyone had that same mindset.
I never once suggested you are an avoider, sorry if you felt that way.
You might not see it, but Lukz had problems with you in the past, yes this is a League but it's a "Just for fun" enviroment, you can't really force someone to play you if you have gave them problems in the past. You should respect they don't avoid you because they are afraid but avoid you simply because they don't enjoy spending their free time relaxing with people who insult them or annoy them.
If you really want to solve the problem, be patient, enjoy the game with other people and worry about matters with more important consequences.
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yes this is a League but it's a "Just for fun" enviroment, you can't really force someone to play you if you have gave them problems in the past. You should respect they don't avoid you because they are afraid but avoid you simply because they don't enjoy spending their free time relaxing with people who insult them or annoy them.
Again, as i wrote to Almog, i can understand he doesn't want to play me, i insulted him in the last game, and didn't get mad. But this guy... has seriously no excuses. Lukz i suggest if you want to relax in your free time go out and smoke a joint. This is a league, again.
If you really want to solve the problem, be patient, enjoy the game with other people and worry about matters with more important consequences.
I can't f*****g play with other peoples because of the limits game, AGAIN do i need to write what i said? I'm playing for reach the 1st playoff spot, remember that, AGAIN. Seems like everyone is "AVOIDING" my post ;D
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Lol, this thread is still active :)
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I can't f*****g play with other peoples because of the limits game, AGAIN do i need to write what i said? I'm playing for reach the 1st playoff spot, remember that, AGAIN. Seems like everyone is "AVOIDING" my post ;D
you have 7 remains with daina, she could play with you instead of playing her latino noobs, you could play with her instead of spamming lukz snooper.
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I can't f*****g play with other peoples because of the limits game, AGAIN do i need to write what i said? I'm playing for reach the 1st playoff spot, remember that, AGAIN. Seems like everyone is "AVOIDING" my post ;D
you have 7 remains with daina, she could play with you instead of playing her latino noobs, you could play with her instead of spamming lukz snooper.
rarely met here because of our timezones, she doesn't avoid tho.
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Komo why do you even comment on ropa?
Sbaffo I'm in ag, come get me xd.
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oh look, suddenly his 6 points essay doesn't matter anymore
who would've thought it was all noise... oh wait, he was called out for it early
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Komo why do you even comment on ropa?
Sbaffo I'm in ag, come get me xd.
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Komo why do you even comment on ropa?
Sbaffo I'm in ag, come get me xd.
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hes calling you to combate!!! go to destroy this puto!!!
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We played the game.
Btw is it allowed to shot on a mine near your opponent worm and make it explode?
Perhaps we have to rm
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But this guy... has seriously no excuses. Lukz i suggest if you want to relax in your free time go out and smoke a joint. This is a league, again.
By saying "this guy" I assume you refer to Lukz? If so, what gives you the right to say he doesn't have any excuses?
Maybe it isn't a valid excuse to you because you grew up in that enviroment, making fun of people, swearing etc, it's normal to you. But some people aren't like that, they don't like smack talk or swearing/moaning etc, they enjoy a peaceful enviroment.
Saying "They can ignore me" isn't good enough, you shouldn't have to ignore someone to play a serious game with them, even players who wish to be quiet have moments of excitement when weird things happen in the game where you can at least type "lol" to each other.
"This is a league, again" - It's a League system sure, but by no means is it professional, you can't make a living solely from playing WA via TUS. It's a game based on fun, the League system is there just to give people who want to a place to compete seriously against each other.
I can't f*****g play with other peoples because of the limits game, AGAIN do i need to write what i said? I'm playing for reach the 1st playoff spot, remember that, AGAIN. Seems like everyone is "AVOIDING" my post ;D
This is why money in 1v1 Singles is a stupid idea, it makes people like you even more frustrated trying to play seriously in a "no one gives a f**k" enviroment.
Let's take a look at the major problems:
Timezones - You can't always align your playing hours with opponents playing hours.
Not enough players - Sometimes you can be sitting wasting your time trying to find opponent, especially if you are a very strong player.
15 game limit - The people you do play a lot, it doesn't last long, seriously, 15 games in 2 months??? It's a f**king joke, it's embarassing.
Noob bashing - People who really are scared to lose points, or want to abuse the system to make/break records.
Non-fixed games - For example in professional football, each team plays each other equal amount of times.
Insulting/Arguing - Players insulting each other and fighting for petty reasons, doesn't solve anything does it? With such a small community you are only make it worse for yourself by making people not want to play with you.
League reset - At least this one will happen after the current Season.
^^ Blame those reasons, don't blame guys like Lukz, for inactivity, and not being able to reach higher spots.
Open your mind, think outside the box, rather than get angry and complain and waste your own time and others, be calm, use your brain, find solutions, it's more interesting and helpful :)
P.S. The fact Senator was willing to give Sbaffo a free win(especially so fast) questions his integrity as a MOD, but, everyone is allowed a mistake :P
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But this guy... has seriously no excuses. Lukz i suggest if you want to relax in your free time go out and smoke a joint. This is a league, again.
By saying "this guy" I assume you refer to Lukz? If so, what gives you the right to say he doesn't have any excuses?
Maybe it isn't a valid excuse to you because you grew up in that enviroment, making fun of people, swearing etc, it's normal to you. But some people aren't like that, they don't like smack talk or swearing/moaning etc, they enjoy a peaceful enviroment.
Saying "They can ignore me" isn't good enough, you shouldn't have to ignore someone to play a serious game with them, even players who wish to be quiet have moments of excitement when weird things happen in the game where you can at least type "lol" to each other.
"This is a league, again" - It's a League system sure, but by no means is it professional, you can't make a living solely from playing WA via TUS. It's a game based on fun, the League system is there just to give people who want to a place to compete seriously against each other.
if you cant take some trash talk you are not willing to compete because it is a part of it.
if sbaffos pure existence crushes lukz feelings, so he cant focus anymore, its his problem, he can mute him during the game and enjoy his quiet peace.
if he cant handle it, he should consider playing funners or talking to almog the shrink.
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if you cant take some trash talk you are not willing to compete because it is a part of it.
if sbaffos pure existence crushes lukz feelings, so he cant focus anymore, its his problem, he can mute him during the game and enjoy his quiet peace.
if he cant handle it, he should consider playing funners or talking to almog the shrink.
You only show your lack of sophistication peja, trash talk isn't a "part of it", it exists because most people don't mind it, do you think racism is ok because there are so many racists? Is it ok to be a homophobe because hundreds of millions of people hate gayness?
Also there are differences in how extreme some people use trash talk.
There is a difference in "Imma beat you heh" to "Imma skullf**k yo momma ni**a".
We have to live with the fact people like you just aren't intelligent enough to understand the difference between affecting a players ability to play and them simply choosing to not lower themselves to that level.
This isn't on my behalf, I enjoy a bit of trash talk myself, and still believe offense is taken not given, but at least I can understand it from another perspective unlike you ;)
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Open your mind, think outside the box, rather than get angry and complain and waste your own time and others, be calm, use your brain, find solutions, it's more interesting and helpful
Uh? Think i've done my part here enough, don't you think? www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/what-the-f@#!-is-going-on-29042/
you 're probably wondering why MI opened the game limits discussion topic, guess why. You haven't done none of these things, you're not playing the current league, why am i even supposed listen to your sophisticated english? Senator has done his part, and he did well because he's actually the only one who understood what happened, plus he's an active player, this means he knows everyone's behaviour in the league, so please stop it now, i don't want to waste my time posting papyrus of post like you... we solved our problems, cu
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if you cant take some trash talk you are not willing to compete because it is a part of it.
if sbaffos pure existence crushes lukz feelings, so he cant focus anymore, its his problem, he can mute him during the game and enjoy his quiet peace.
if he cant handle it, he should consider playing funners or talking to almog the shrink.
You only show your lack of sophistication peja, trash talk isn't a "part of it", it exists because most people don't mind it, do you think racism is ok because there are so many racists? Is it ok to be a homophobe because hundreds of millions of people hate gayness?
Also there are differences in how extreme some people use trash talk.
There is a difference in "Imma beat you heh" to "Imma skullf**k yo momma ni**a".
We have to live with the fact people like you just aren't intelligent enough to understand the difference between affecting a players ability to play and them simply choosing to not lower themselves to that level.
This isn't on my behalf, I enjoy a bit of trash talk myself, and still believe offense is taken not given, but at least I can understand it from another perspective unlike you ;)
it seems like you dont understand the meaning of competition. getting into the head of the opponent is a vital part of it, others just do it to spice things up. but the great komito is obviously smarter than the greatest athletes of all time.
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We played the game.
Btw is it allowed to shot on a mine near your opponent worm and make it explode?
Perhaps we have to rm
Not even sure if that's allowed but u skipped (u fell) your next turn so it doesn't matter :P
You might not see it, but Lukz had problems with you in the past, yes this is a League but it's a "Just for fun" enviroment, you can't really force someone to play you if you have gave them problems in the past.
Lukz was willing to play 2 games with Sbaffo this season and saw his current behavior, though. I didn't see Sbaffo insulting in those 2 games.
Things start getting complicated and ambiguous when mods will consider who doesn't like who and what was the reason for avoiding. Imo my decision went by the books (it was a quick decision because it was easy). At least ropa agreed with a mod's decision for once :D
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sbaffo and lukz played their games, and I am sure they will continue. End of story... If we could play like we post, worms' league would be one of the most active videogame of 2016 (My self included).
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Uh? Think i've done my part here enough, don't you think? www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/what-the-f@#!-is-going-on-29042/
you 're probably wondering why MI opened the game limits discussion topic, guess why. You haven't done none of these things, you're not playing the current league, why am i even supposed listen to your sophisticated english? Senator has done his part, and he did well because he's actually the only one who understood what happened, plus he's an active player, this means he knows everyone's behaviour in the league, so please stop it now, i don't want to waste my time posting papyrus of post like you... we solved our problems, cu
Yeah you are putting some effort I forgot to give you credit for that previous stuff, sorry.
I have spoke about game limits in the past, i've been involved in almost every major TUS discussion regarding League changes etc, would also consider myself having a fair bit of influence regarding the overall reset, the only reason I am not playing the League right now is because my housing situation went tits up 3 months ago and I am struggling to find new accomodation to live, so it's impossible for me to setup my PC while temporary living at parents, I can assure you after Season reset and when I find a house there will be plenty games played ;) :P
it seems like you dont understand the meaning of competition. getting into the head of the opponent is a vital part of it, others just do it to spice things up.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/competition?s=t
^^ I fully understand the meaning of "competition", there is no mention of "trash talk" when it comes to the "meaning" of "competition".
Getting into the head of an opponent is a vital part of it, but there are other ways to do this than trash talk and insulting your opponent.
Yes, I do enjoy some trash talk though to "spice things up", it's funny lol, but I still respect those who don't enjoy this style, it seems you don't and never will.
Lukz was willing to play 2 games with Sbaffo this season and saw his current behavior, though. I didn't see Sbaffo insulting in those 2 games.
Things start getting complicated and ambiguous when mods will consider who doesn't like who and what was the reason for avoiding. Imo my decision went by the books (it was a quick decision because it was easy). At least ropa agreed with a mod's decision for once :D
Under these circumstances I don't agree with your decision, Lukz is definitely not an avoider and the fact you said Lukz has already played 2 games this Season with Sbaffo just puts the cherry on top lol.
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sbaffo and lukz played their games, and I am sure they will continue. End of story... If we could play like we post, worms' league would be one of the most active videogame of 2016 (My self included).
... and you guys/men/kids are getting too much polemical (pages and pages of point of views), maybe it's the lack of pussy that you will not find in your rooms... come back to play or go out and get some fresh air, some female's fur.
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ANO, I like you, you're cool but you just sound like a crazed sex pervert, girls aren't the only interesting thing on the planet man...
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Komo, I like you too... but we're getting too polemical... we don't even play...
Everything we do depends on women. Except for worms... that's what I thought. :o
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Komo, I like you too... but we're getting too polemical... we don't even play...
I would love to play but I can't :'(
Everything we do depends on women. Except for worms... that's what I thought. :o
Yeah, if you're married :D
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^^ I fully understand the meaning of "competition", there is no mention of "trash talk" when it comes to the "meaning" of "competition".
Getting into the head of an opponent is a vital part of it, but there are other ways to do this than trash talk and insulting your opponent.
Yes, I do enjoy some trash talk though to "spice things up", it's funny lol, but I still respect those who don't enjoy this style, it seems you don't and never will.
then you should be able to realize that "rivalry for supremacy" is much closer to "deal with your surroundings or lose" than it is to "help lukz to overcome his inner insecurity when dealing with others"
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then you should be able to realize that "rivalry for supremacy" is much closer to "deal with your surroundings or lose" than it is to "help lukz to overcome his inner insecurity when dealing with others"
Interesting choice of words you've used to help twist it to suit your perception.
Even IF we had an agreement here from your point of view(which we don't), it still says in TUS rules:
"Insulting other players, people is always disallowed in games and also on our site."
Which gives Lukz a valid reason to avoid Sbaffo in future games.
It was Sbaffos past behavior that caused Lukz to stop playing with him, Lukz should not be punished for that.
If I were a League MOD, I would try to help Lukz & Sbaffo sort out their problems and come to a mutual agreement they can both play in silence or something.
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MI/SEN CLOSE THIS TOPIC PLZ
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michael jordan lacked sophistication
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the fact you said Lukz has already played 2 games this Season with Sbaffo just puts the cherry on top lol.
More like it disproves your argument that Lukz stopped playing because of what happened in the past. 2 of 15 games wasn't enough to avoid further games. Not sure if the line is 8 games or what but definitely not 2 games.
Seems like this case brought Lukz and Sbaffo happily together since they've played 5 games more after the free win :)
*solved*