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Title: [SOLVED] tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 16, 2013, 11:25 PM
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/

mother of god, riviva complained about ttrr, now he reported this, I personally never saw such loony as this guy.
watch replay from 14:14

Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Prankster on January 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
Quote- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

He could be hit with a nade in that hide, therefore he wasn't darksiding.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 16, 2013, 11:49 PM
- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

- Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.

OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR xDdD
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Prankster on January 16, 2013, 11:54 PM
Yes. It's written with caps on purpose. It means one condition of the two is enough to be true.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 12:19 AM
one condition enough to be true?
darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade.

there is 1 condition, place where he cant hit nade, so by your logic darksiding is true ;D
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 12:29 AM
Impossible, you either need more experience with BnG, OR learn how to speak proper English.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 12:19 AM
one condition enough to be true?
darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade.

there is 1 condition, place where he cant hit nade, so by your logic darksiding is true ;D

The two conditions are "can't be hit with a nade" and "can't hit with a nade". If the two conditions are connected with "OR", then only one is enough to be true. You would be right if they'd be connected with "NOR".
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Rok on January 17, 2013, 12:44 AM
Quote from: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 12:19 AM
one condition enough to be true?
darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade.

there is 1 condition, place where he cant hit nade, so by your logic darksiding is true ;D

The two conditions are "can't be hit with a nade" and "can't hit with a nade". If the two conditions are connected with "OR", then only one is enough to be true. You would be right if they'd be connected with "NOR".

No, there's one condition: can't be hit OR can't hit.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 12:51 AM
Quote from: Rok on January 17, 2013, 12:44 AM
No, there's one condition: can't be hit OR can't hit.

No, there are 2 conditions. 1 or the other.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 12:53 AM
Quote from: Rok on January 17, 2013, 12:44 AM
Quote from: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 12:19 AM
one condition enough to be true?
darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade.

there is 1 condition, place where he cant hit nade, so by your logic darksiding is true ;D

The two conditions are "can't be hit with a nade" and "can't hit with a nade". If the two conditions are connected with "OR", then only one is enough to be true. You would be right if they'd be connected with "NOR".

No, there's one condition: can't be hit OR can't hit.

I got complaints rjected because of that little word before..
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Rok on January 17, 2013, 12:53 AM
@komo Yeah, two sub-conditions, if you will. Both together make up for one condition. If one OR the other is true, it's a darkside.

@Prankster Could be, but does it have anything to do with the case we're arguing here?
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: van on January 17, 2013, 01:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_disjunction
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
I'm taking back what I said here about the rule, I was wrong, sorry.
There really are two conditions, of which one is enough, but I just realised that it's the case of darksiding what it's making true.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
Quote from: Rok on January 17, 2013, 12:53 AM
@komo Yeah, two sub-conditions, if you will. Both together make up for one condition. If one OR the other is true, it's a darkside.

That's some serious bullshit man, many many MANY complaints have been made because of the opposite of what you are saying, if this is this case I suggest the MODs of TuS rummage through every BnG complaint regarding this and give the win to the players who complained about this happening. (not really)

Do you know how many BnG's someone has hid where they can't shoot a grenade out but you can hit them? It happens at least 50% of games where someone is pushed and they refuse to move and you are forced to throw rolling grenades or LG zook or trapshot.

And everytime you have allowed this, and now you contradict the rules TuS have stood by for so long.

Prank, you weren't wrong.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Rok on January 17, 2013, 01:15 AM
Quote from: Prankster on January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
I'm taking back what I said here about the rule, I was wrong, sorry.

You are forgiven! Now help us convince komo that he's wrong  :D

@komo, for the record, I was just discussing the logical meaning of the rules quote. How is it obeyed in practice is another story, you may or may not have a point there, because quite frankly, it's been ages since I've been involved in a bng complaint.

Usually, with suspicious hides, there's at least some chance for a bounce shot of some kind that can hit, but in this case it's pretty clear that a succesful grenade hit is impossible. Personaly, I'm calling Riviva's hide a darkside. Let's see what franz (and others) say.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
So you are telling me I can use this logic and it's true:

I can hit him with a grenade

He can't hit me with a grenade

It's darksiding?

I understand what you are saying, either condition equals 1 condition which makes the rule enforcable, but the way TuS has it wrote now it applies as 2 seperate conditions, because sometimes there is a hide where they can hit you but you can't hit them without serious risk of a sitter or having to use 5 seconds with minimum bounce, and how would that be fair if they can choose a hide you can't hit them and they are allowed to attack you?

Edit:

Quote from: Rok on January 17, 2013, 01:15 AM
Usually, with suspicious hides, there's at least some chance for a bounce shot of some kind that can hit, but in this case it's pretty clear that a succesful grenade hit is impossible. Personaly, I'm calling Riviva's hide a darkside. Let's see what franz (and others) say.

I attached this replay, you can easily hit.

Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Rok on January 17, 2013, 01:32 AM
Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
So you are telling me I can use this logic and it's true:

I can hit him with a grenade

He can't hit me with a grenade

It's darksiding?

Yes, that's darksiding (by the definition as it is atm). And the opposite is also true, so the following:

Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
how would that be fair if they can choose a hide you can't hit them and they are allowed to attack you?

is not allowed either.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 01:38 AM
Then why in the past when complaints have been made the MODs have went with the logic that you can hit them with grenade but they can't hit you, or, you can't hit them but they can hit you, and it's been allowed?

Check my last post, I uploaded a replay where I hit riViVa from Impo's hide.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Rok on January 17, 2013, 01:42 AM
Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:38 AM
Then why in the past when complaints have been made the MODs have went with the logic that you can hit them with grenade but they can't hit you, or, you can't hit them but they can hit you, and it's been allowed?

Do you have a specific case in mind?

Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
I attached this replay, you can easily hit.

Yes, but I say again, Riviva can't, and by the current definition, he is darksiding (to his detriment, but still).
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 01:44 AM
Ok, fair enough, this is a good thing, this is REALLY good. :)

But still doesn't change the fact it's been allowed in the past :(

Edit: While we are on the subject of correct use of language, when you upload something and 1 person has downloaded it, it says "downloaded 1 times." it should say "downloaded 1 time."
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: OrangE on January 17, 2013, 01:57 AM
lmfao impo are you crazy? he teleported to a place where basically he could only zook.

you had the advantage to try to lg5s him until u succeed, u should just hide where he couldnt zook, so he would be forced to tele back.

why u guys always whine and cry and ask for mods, cmon.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Ramone on January 17, 2013, 03:51 AM
Riviva never even answered.
This complaint sux.
Prank is in a bad mood and don't know wtf is he talking about.
Komo is exaggerating that there was 50% injustice in the past about this subject. [/van signature]
Rok is right.
I'm drunk.
World is round.
Truth,
All I wanted to say is that this map sux. ;x

U keep on...
Quote from: van on January 17, 2013, 01:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_disjunction
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 04:31 AM
You are so right, Ramone is an ass lol.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Riviva on January 17, 2013, 10:25 AM
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8194/810928-lmao_super.jpg)



darkside? SO how the f@#! I shot at him?
(http://www.pl.image-share.com/upload/173/17.gif)


And as for Zook, in most situations, you CAN'T hit with Zook! So it doesn't mean that it is darkside...

(http://www.mdk.ozorkow.net/images/ico_smiech.gif)

For green peoples: This is darkside:
(http://s2.postimage.org/i5kebna95/Bez_tytu_u.png)
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Riviva on January 17, 2013, 10:43 AM
MOD. Please remove this the game:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135624/

Because impo gave up for no reason! Or at least without a valid reason. How says rules: "Never surrender"

QuoteQuitting a game before it ends means you forfeit the game. There is only one exception to the rule: if your opponent chose the wrong scheme without informing you. Before you quit, you must point out the scheme is incorrect and that you want to replay the game with the correct scheme.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 03:05 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
Do you know how many BnG's someone has hid where they can't shoot a grenade out but you can hit them? It happens at least 50% of games where someone is pushed and they refuse to move and you are forced to throw rolling grenades or LG zook or trapshot.
you are wrong komo, on such situations player still can do bounce or put girder.

here riviva wasnt able to do bounce, even put girder because he was on the edge of map
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 03:14 PM
I know I would easily finish him, but I though about fairplay and skipped so he can tele back, and he ignored me, just started to zook. that bs pissed me pretty hard ;D
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 07:00 PM
Quote from: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 03:05 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
Do you know how many BnG's someone has hid where they can't shoot a grenade out but you can hit them? It happens at least 50% of games where someone is pushed and they refuse to move and you are forced to throw rolling grenades or LG zook or trapshot.
you are wrong komo, on such situations player still can do bounce or put girder.

Yes, and then I destroy all 3 girders with a few shots then what?
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 07:23 PM
lol Im glad you can destroy girder in a few shits but its considered as darksiding you know
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: TheKomodo on January 17, 2013, 09:38 PM
Quote from: Impossible on January 17, 2013, 07:23 PM
lol Im glad you can destroy girder in a few shits but its considered as darksiding you know

No it's not, you are allowed to place girders to bank from, just not for protection.
Title: Re: tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135623/
Post by: MonkeyIsland on March 16, 2013, 07:06 AM
As Rok stated, by current definition of darkside, that is considered as a darkside. Given the fact that impo skipped twice and asked Riviva to teleport back and no answer from Riviva, I'm voiding this report.