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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: Kaleu on November 14, 2016, 01:15 PM
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I don't want to post a replay, or mention any names, because my opponent went into a complete rage when I said I would find out if this is legal or not.. lol.. so, I will save him some embarrassment for now.
Is it legal to host on big maps?? and if it is, should you at least make your opponent aware its a big map, and make sure they accept it??
I thought all big maps have you click on the map in the top right corner, because its a large file.. but this one did not, so I was not aware it was a big map until after the game started, and I took my first turn..
After my turn (I did attack, so it had nothing to do with a bad turn) I realized it was a big map, and I asked if this map was bigger than 1920 wide... this guy started ranting about how I'm unable to notch and I should stfu and play...
All I want is a fair game, I have never in my w:a career played BnG on a large map in leagues... is it legal?
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Tus bng, like many schemes, needs some changes.
A2B league is pretty much dead, but rules should be implemented here, to avoid roller/repetitive shots and make BnG more competitive, that scheme deserves it. I know lot of players doesn't like it, but imho, with some changes this could become most played scheme in classic league.
Big maps probably aren't allowed but if they're hosted, there should be wormkit fuseex (nade fuse 0-9) command enabled.
There are lot of pros/cons when talking about big bng maps, but I personally like the fact that notchers would have hard time to calculate their shots cause of diff pixel ratio.
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For Bng they're technically not allowed (unless both players agree). But let's not have any more 7-page Big map threads please and thanks.
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SENZAI wat iz a notcher bra ? is dis cheat codes ? plz share.
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I'm having a slight Déjà vu.
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SENZAI wat iz a notcher bra ? is dis cheat codes ? plz share.
It's an old latin word for night. Notchers are players that play their bng's after 3am.
I would like to set a curfew on tus bng games. After 10pm lock scheme. Ban all of those who try to bypass it.
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SENZAI wat iz a notcher bra ? is dis cheat codes ? plz share.
It's an old latin word for night. Notchers are players that play their bng's after 3am.
I would like to set a curfew on tus bng games. After 10pm lock scheme. Ban all of those who try to bypass it.
Lmao
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Please stay on topic
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are you idiot or what? (we can use idiot in complaints, I read it last week, nobody got banned)
If you want to ask a question, just ask for it and cut that bullshit, me and sbaffo will never feel embarrassed by you nor in this life neither if we reborn 100 times.
This is the game: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-214621/
For the rest you can refer to the chat, I am not going to write it again.
If you light up, you agree on the map...
I have honestly never thought the size of the map was something to make dramas... and it's the second this week.
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lol those maps are quite a common thing in BnG nowadays, seems like Kaleu has been inactive for too long.
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are you idiot or what? (we can use idiot in complaints, I read it last week, nobody got banned)
If you want to ask a question, just ask for it and cut that bullshit, me and sbaffo will never feel embarrassed by you nor in this life neither if we reborn 100 times.
This is the game: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-214621/
For the rest you can refer to the chat, I am not going to write it again.
If you light up, you agree on the map...
I have honestly never thought the size of the map was something to make dramas... and it's the second this week.
Nope, I'm not idiot, what about you? Seems so.
Complaint looks fine, you don't determinate the way I ask the questions, nor the day nor the time, text is politely written (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-complaints/(solved)-complaint-question-29937/) just because of your reaction, you mostly can't contain yourself and have a proper discussion.
I like Sbaffo when he's alone, I don't think I was the only one who noticed it but Italians suddenly grow balls when they are in group.
By the way, let the mods reply, guys,before set up your personal preferences.
lol those maps are quite a common thing in BnG nowadays, seems like Kaleu has been inactive for too long.
Really? I was aware of mapgen maps recently, but not big sized maps...
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I like Sbaffo when he's alone, I don't think I was the only one who noticed it but Italians suddenly grow balls when they are in group.
Are you implicitly saying that we are FINOCCHI?
ahh, and you are racist, you offended Italians here and during the game. Shall we talk about Zillians?
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All this for some map that is 200 pixels wider? I thought it was really a big map, not just some kid whining about some map that is fractionally larger.
You say this:
[kaleu-boo] its ok for me anyway
Then open a complaint man, what a joke.
Kaleu I thought you grew up, but i think the big boy pants don't fit you yet.
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I like Sbaffo when he's alone, I don't think I was the only one who noticed it but Italians suddenly grow balls when they are in group.
All this for some map that is 200 pixels wider? I thought it was really a big map, not just some kid whining about some map that is fractionally larger.
I don't even want to waste my time on arguing my point of view...
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I like Sbaffo when he's alone, I don't think I was the only one who noticed it but Italians suddenly grow balls when they are in group.
Are you implicitly saying that we are FINOCCHI?
ahh, and you are racist, you offended Italians here and during the game. Shall we talk about Zillians?
I apologized for that ingame, shall I quote your nice words about zillians?
All this for some map that is 200 pixels wider? I thought it was really a big map, not just some kid whining about some map that is fractionally larger.
You say this:
[kaleu-boo] its ok for me anyway
Then open a complaint man, what a joke.
Kaleu I thought you grew up, but i think the big boy pants don't fit you yet.
Yeah reduce the entirety of my game chat to that one line. Way to go.
Rules says to finish the game before open a complaint, and this clearly is not a request to void the game, the game stays but I do not want to be fooled with big maps again without any warning, so I'm asking if it's allowed or not, is it impossible to post without be judged nowadays? It's a complaint area, I want replies from mods and not from a random player that I have no clue about its existence.
Kaleu I thought you grew up, but i think the big boy pants don't fit you yet.
A man that I had no clue of existense since some months judging my entire life based in some characters posted here, legit shitpost.
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lets review the series of events
1. you say that the map is ok for you
2. you lose
3. you get mad
4. you post complaint
Yanme never agreed to the map like you did in the chat, yet you are the one posting the complaint, not him. I think that says a lot about him as a player, and as you as a player. I think everyone sees that part though.
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lets review the series of events
1. you say that the map is ok for you
2. you lose
3. you get mad
4. you post complaint
Yanme never agreed to the map like you did in the chat, yet you are the one posting the complaint, not him. I think that says a lot about him as a player, and as you as a player. I think everyone sees that part though.
I asked you politely to read my chat and not to read what you want to, so I will save your time and quote it to you.
[kaleu-boo] its ok for me anyway
[FUB`Sbaffo] i've played on bigger maps
[kaleu-boo] but I will open a topic
[kaleu-boo] to ask if its allowed
Delete this miserable post already, you are in my block list from now on.
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lets review the series of events
1. you say that the map is ok for you
2. you lose
3. you get mad
4. you post complaint
Yanme never agreed to the map like you did in the chat, yet you are the one posting the complaint, not him. I think that says a lot about him as a player, and as you as a player. I think everyone sees that part though.
I asked you politely to read my chat and not to read what you want to, so I will save your time and quote it to you.
[kaleu-boo] its ok for me anyway
[FUB`Sbaffo] i've played on bigger maps
[kaleu-boo] but I will open a topic
[kaleu-boo] to ask if its allowed
Delete this miserable post already, you are in my block list from now on.
Thats exactly what i typed, yes.
You havent a leg to stand on making arguments like that.
The one thing you were right about is that this thread is indeed worthless, good to see you've recognized that. at least avi disagreed with the map when he posted his complaint. You agree with map then come here hoping MI will give you a free win? Its quite pathetic, even by your standards.
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lets review the series of events
1. you say that the map is ok for you
2. you lose
3. you get mad
4. you post complaint
Yanme never agreed to the map like you did in the chat, yet you are the one posting the complaint, not him. I think that says a lot about him as a player, and as you as a player. I think everyone sees that part though.
I asked you politely to read my chat and not to read what you want to, so I will save your time and quote it to you.
[kaleu-boo] its ok for me anyway
[FUB`Sbaffo] i've played on bigger maps
[kaleu-boo] but I will open a topic
[kaleu-boo] to ask if its allowed
Delete this miserable post already, you are in my block list from now on.
Thats exactly what i typed, yes.
You havent a leg to stand on making arguments like that.
The one thing you were right about is that this thread is indeed worthless, good to see you've recognized that. at least avi disagreed with the map when he posted his complaint. You agree with map then come here hoping MI will give you a free win? Its quite pathetic, even by your standards.
Jesus Christ.
Seriously, are you reading my posts at all?
I said that I would open the topic in the very first minutes of the game wheter winning or losing.
You are just implying stuff about me.
I am not mad, this is not a request for free win neither a complaint to void the game.
Reason/Proof.
1. I haven't posted games ID nor mentioned the people involved.
2. I have mentioned about 2 times that the game should keep but my doubt shouldn't.
3. Game was so insignificant that I played it 2 days ago and just remind myself today after browsing my recent games.
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Jesus Christ.
Seriously, are you reading my posts at all?
I said that I would open the topic in the very first minutes of the game wheter winning or losing.
You are just implying stuff about me.
I am not mad, this is not a request for free win neither a complaint to void the game.
Reason/Proof.
1. I haven't posted games ID nor mentioned the people involved.
2. I have mentioned about 2 times that the game should keep but my doubt shouldn't.
3. Game was so insignificant that I played it 2 days ago and just remind myself today after browsing my recent games.
Oh I must have gotten confused, mostly because the thread title says "Complaint"
Or did I title it that way to imply something?
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There was a similar thread a couple days/week ago, still not a definitive rule? Don't be so lazy and just do it.
General consensus, I think, was that big maps are allowed in certain schemes, so I'd assume a host that picks a big map has all the right to pick a big map even if the other team is not happy with it, however, the other team should be allowed to prepare for a bigger map to change resolution for example. So I propose the following:
1. It's the responsibility of the player(s) that join the host to check if a map is big or not in schemes were different sizes are allowed, such as: (insert schemes). When lighting up you agree that you are ready for the map!
1b.: When asked, the host has to answer if a map is big or not and allow his opponent to make preparations.
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Wally you badman !
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I did some research and came across the following:
Time: April 25, 2013, 05:37 AM
Description:
BnG is played on an open island map with default width size (1920 pix).
Source: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-992/
The game was played under the current BnG scheme rules and the game differs in map size which is clearly stated to be default size of 1920 pix and thus violates the official BnG rules.
So to be frank, it was against the rules to change the size of the map for classic BnG.
Also, it is open for debate since the Map description is not listed under rules, which is a flaw. Map characteristics and scheme settings should ALL be listed under rules of a scheme to make them clear. Is the description just an example/overview or a rule? That's what I read when I saw them.
Now, my personal opinion would be to change the rules to allow bigger maps for certain schemes like BnG. Though, it should limit the size because it can get out of hand and we all know people would abuse unlimited map size (think humongous width like 4k+ pixels)
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Now, my personal opinion would be to change the rules to allow bigger maps for certain schemes like BnG. Though, it should limit the size because it can get out of hand and we all know people would abuse unlimited map size (think humongous width like 4k+ pixels)
Agree. And to add: Size of the map should be limited in 3 ways.
1v1 (300px wider), 2v2 (600 px wider), 3v3 (900 px wider) - Didn't do any counting, just talking out of the head.
Whoever played 3v3 bng knows what i'm talking about. After 1 hide opening on 1920x696 you feel like a fish out of the water. There's nowhere to go anymore. Your only options are to wait for getting killed or pile one of your teammates.
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Now, my personal opinion would be to change the rules to allow bigger maps for certain schemes like BnG. Though, it should limit the size because it can get out of hand and we all know people would abuse unlimited map size (think humongous width like 4k+ pixels)
Agree. And to add: Size of the map should be limited in 3 ways.
1v1 (300px wider), 2v2 (600 px wider), 3v3 (900 px wider) - Didn't do any counting, just talking out of the head.
Whoever played 3v3 bng knows what i'm talking about. After 1 hide opening on 1920x696 you feel like a fish out of the water. There's nowhere to go anymore. Your only options are to wait for getting killed or pile one of your teammates.
oh finally, someone clearly understood why i used a bigger map :D (dunno why it should be even called bigger for 200 pixels lels)
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Hides are as overrated as happiness or sex. But big maps in BnG 2 vs 2 games counter the abuse of the distance rule by teleporting your first worm to the middle of the map while leaving the opposite team with 1/3 of the map, which is almost nothing on normal sized maps.
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Now, my personal opinion would be to change the rules to allow bigger maps for certain schemes like BnG. Though, it should limit the size because it can get out of hand and we all know people would abuse unlimited map size (think humongous width like 4k+ pixels)
Agree. And to add: Size of the map should be limited in 3 ways.
1v1 (300px wider), 2v2 (600 px wider), 3v3 (900 px wider) - Didn't do any counting, just talking out of the head.
Whoever played 3v3 bng knows what i'm talking about. After 1 hide opening on 1920x696 you feel like a fish out of the water. There's nowhere to go anymore. Your only options are to wait for getting killed or pile one of your teammates.
WA map editor doesn't allow large bit maps, and some people including me don't want to be dependent of an 3rd party mapmaker tool, how to proceed?
I personally like default map sizes because my resolution isn't the best, so the smaller the better overview of the map...
Nice research Anubis, just enough to see that TUS need some simple but essential changes in the rules.
It's about the principle of rules, why have them if they don't apply? Or have people guessing what's wrong and what's not?
It's kinda retarded ppl just say its fine just because of small amount of pixels when rules say it's actual not...
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WA map editor doesn't allow large bit maps, and some people including me don't want to be dependent of an 3rd party mapmaker tool, how to proceed?
So..
3rd party tool is ok when you rope cheating with ahk.
It's ok when you play roper with transparent water.
But when you occasionally need to make 2 clicks in mapgen for bigger map it's too much work for you.
Point taken, I'm off this thread.
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WA map editor doesn't allow large bit maps, and some people including me don't want to be dependent of an 3rd party mapmaker tool, how to proceed?
So..
3rd party tool is ok when you rope cheating with ahk.
It's ok when you play roper with transparent water.
But when you occasionally need to make 2 clicks in mapgen for bigger map it's too much work for you.
Point taken, I'm off this thread.
Daymmm shots fired !
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General consensus, I think, was that big maps are allowed in certain schemes, so I'd assume a host that picks a big map has all the right to pick a big map even if the other team is not happy with it, however, the other team should be allowed to prepare for a bigger map to change resolution for example. So I propose the following:
1. It's the responsibility of the player(s) that join the host to check if a map is big or not in schemes were different sizes are allowed, such as: (insert schemes). When lighting up you agree that you are ready for the map!
1b.: When asked, the host has to answer if a map is big or not and allow his opponent to make preparations.
The map size rules are a mess. BnG is the only scheme where the rules say the map should be default sized. On the other hand, big maps have been used in some other schemes such as Shopper and WxW. How can you justify allowing big maps in Shopper but not in Hysteria, for example? I don't think you can.
Btw the map size of BnG was stated clearly in the rules earlier: "BnG map must have default width size (1920 pix), not more and not less." Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150316151550/https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-992/ Having such a strict rule only in BnG scheme seemed stupid, that's why it was taken away from the rules section and left indefinite, hehe. I can put it back under the rules if you want.
In Shopper and WxW the map size has based on agreement so far and I think it could be like that with all the schemes. No one should be forced to play on a big map if he doesn't want, though. We will probably make this more clear in the rules. If you get accidentally into a game on a big map, you could request a normal map and quit.
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WA map editor doesn't allow large bit maps, and some people including me don't want to be dependent of an 3rd party mapmaker tool, how to proceed?
So..
3rd party tool is ok when you rope cheating with ahk.
It's ok when you play roper with transparent water.
But when you occasionally need to make 2 clicks in mapgen for bigger map it's too much work for you.
Point taken, I'm off this thread.
Seriously? You need proof to say those kind of things, I have transparent water in my nonsteam wa version for extracting frames and gifs, that gif was made for the cause (show sudden death water rise) for Korydex, anyway, here's my advice: Don't talk shit about things that you was not even here to witness, Do you see people talking about Anubis and Ropa's past aliases nowadays? Yes you don't, because it's called respect, so take your place as a f@#!ing newcomer aerial/bng player, use your free time to master an important scheme because this is a league. Anubi, Darkz etc were right, every topic is a noobfest with newcomers and their little willpower to show their point in every existing subject.
General consensus, I think, was that big maps are allowed in certain schemes, so I'd assume a host that picks a big map has all the right to pick a big map even if the other team is not happy with it, however, the other team should be allowed to prepare for a bigger map to change resolution for example. So I propose the following:
1. It's the responsibility of the player(s) that join the host to check if a map is big or not in schemes were different sizes are allowed, such as: (insert schemes). When lighting up you agree that you are ready for the map!
1b.: When asked, the host has to answer if a map is big or not and allow his opponent to make preparations.
The map size rules are a mess. BnG is the only scheme where the rules say the map should be default sized. On the other hand, big maps have been used in some other schemes such as Shopper and WxW. How can you justify allowing big maps in Shopper but not in Hysteria, for example? I don't think you can.
Btw the map size of BnG was stated clearly in the rules earlier: "BnG map must have default width size (1920 pix), not more and not less." Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150316151550/https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-992/ Having such a strict rule only in BnG scheme seemed stupid, that's why it was taken away from the rules section and left indefinite, hehe. I can put it back under the rules if you want.
In Shopper and WxW the map size has based on agreement so far and I think it could be like that with all the schemes. No one should be forced to play on a big map if he doesn't want, though. We will probably make this more clear in the rules. If you get accidentally into a game on a big map, you could request a normal map and quit.
So, when can we have rules updated and an official annoucement in the front page please?
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What's up Kaleu.. Skipped some meal today?
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I might have f@#!ed up in the past but I have paid back and done things for this commmunity more than you can imagine and I won't f@#!ing accept a newcomer to accuse like that.
-Made 400+ TTRR and some other maps
-Translated Worms Armageddon to Brazilian Portuguese
-Translated and currently translating TUS
-Translated Wheat Snooper
-Trusted by Deadcode and CS to have my own Tool Assisted to help in complaints and challenges.
-Brazilians (the noobs you see everyday), I can assume most of them are playing because of my popular worms video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RatjJtR0to)
-If you join #Help with brazilian or portuguese flag you will be redirected to a help group managed by me.
What have you done for this community other than irritate people in forums?
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Well, cause you asked:
- Made 100-150 bng maps that ppl use in clanners on daily basis.
- Made dozens of schemes, hosted cups, challenges
- Translated TUS site on Croatian language (with clanmate Marko)
- Helped and teached dosens of newcomers on wormnet to get familiar with game and it's rules/accesories.
- Showed this site to dozens of new players, some of them now have their own clan.
But, it's true... I admit. Main purpose of my existence here is to butthurt you and ppl similar to you.
Now advice:
Don't give ppl advices. You'll never be taken seriously, doesn't matter how much you tried. For that, you need to able to get in, like walrus said before, the big boy pants. Atm you're far from achieveing that goal.
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Senator how come some times you follow the rules, some times you dont??
in my complaint, you, or MI (not sure who) clearly said bng is the only scheme big maps are not allowed in, it is even mentioned in the rules... there for all other schemes big maps are allowed it both agree...
now a big map is played, and your going back on that?? this game should be void, it was a game hosted against TUS rules...
do i agree with the rule?? not reall... in my honest opinion, bng is the ONLY scheme that should allow bigger maps, its ironic that TUS has it as the ONLY scheme that does not allow it lmfao... how twisted are the rules???
i said it myself last week, after my complaint, it would open up a can of worms if you did not fix the rules (which i been practically begging yall to do) next week we are going to see someone host a big roper map... and the week after that, there will be big t17
you need to state what is acceptable in the rules, and whats not.... but as of todays date... big maps are not acceptable in the rules, and the game should be void.
ps: Kaleu, nice OP :D
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I don't want to post a replay, or mention any names, because my opponent went into a complete rage when I said I would find out if this is legal or not.. lol.. so, I will save him some embarrassment for now.
See Kaleu, you want to sound mature and polite, but this is how you opened this thread, which already got 3 pages of dramas.
Just saying...
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I don't want to post a replay, or mention any names, because my opponent went into a complete rage when I said I would find out if this is legal or not.. lol.. so, I will save him some embarrassment for now.
See Kaleu, you want to sound mature and polite, but this is how you opened this thread, which already got 3 pages of dramas.
Just saying...
The OP is pretty much a parody of avirex's big shopper maps complaint. :)
Lol yea, you warned me ingame, my fault!!
Lot of worthless posts not even from FUB members, decided to mute some users.
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tus forums are great lately... keep it up guys
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tus forums are great lately... keep it up guys
this is not tus forums, its not a place for chat, its not a place you really even have any business, if your looking for some nice peaceful tus interaction.
this is the COMPLAINT thread... people COMPLAIN here.... so, hate to break the bad news to you gabriel, but everyone is surely going to keep up the complaining, in the complaint thread.
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Hey avi :-* I was talking to Anubis about the rule changes, I haven't said a word on this case.
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this case was agreed during the game.. it's not a complaint...
Anyways, let's clarify this thing of the size...
I have never cared about the size of the map honestly, I have also played mini wxw and mini ttrr.
Shall we add a section about this for each scheme? or maybe a general rule?
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this is not tus forums
wat