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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: TheKomodo on February 18, 2012, 04:53 AM
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I can't remember if this has been brought up before, my apologies if it has, but, what's the story with 2v2/3v3 affecting 1v1 (Singles) results? Is there a reason for that? It's just, those standings are called "Singles", which, obviously, is a lie lol.
Why doesn't TuS seperate 2v2 and 3v3 points so we can have a seperate "Doubles/Trebles" Standings page??
I mean, I would have thought it makes more sense, and just generally, be better, if the 2v2/3v3 were on a different Standings page? For example, you win a 1v1, blah, whatever, but if you win a 2v2/3v3 each player their score added to the "2v2/3v3" Standings?
Just taking top 4 TuS Classic players for this example, I would imagine it like this:
Random00/ArtiC/ZiPpO/Almog.
(TeamA)Random00 & ArtiC Vs (TeamB)ZiPpO & Almog (Sorry Almog :O) The scheme is TTRR.
Random00 has 1800 for RR, ArtiC has 2200, (averages out around 2000) ZiPpO has 2100, and Almog 1800, (averages out around 1950) so this way TeamA are favourites to win, statistically, they will lose more points, win less points, than their opponents.
Like, anyone can team up with anyone.
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2v2 or 3v3 singles are not that popular to get a separate standings page and the current system works exactly as you described, except that the points TeamA earns would be added to each of its members.
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2v2 or 3v3 singles are not that popular to get a separate standings page and the current system works exactly as you described, except that the points TeamA earns would be added to each of its members.
Yea I figured as much, it's just, singles isn't really singles, if you get me? It'd be nice to keep those seperate, even if 2v2/3v3 is only as popular as free league, i'd actually play more 2v2 cuz I wouldn't be afraid of ruining my 1v1 record, which I already have, and now i'll never play 2v2 again unless I am with one of 2 people who I trust not to mess around and lose, and i'd rather have a seperate standings page, jus saying if it was seperate, i'd play more random 2v2/3v3 League games with anyone possible, I think maybe others would too, maybe.
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As much as you think about your singles, you gotta think about your partner in 2v2 or 3v3. Where did you get the idea of 2v2 singles is less important? It is actually a way to have a better standing stats if planned well.
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As much as you think about your singles, you gotta think about your partner in 2v2 or 3v3. Where did you get the idea of 2v2 singles is less important? It is actually a way to have a better standing stats if planned well.
MI, I am thinking along the lines of, 2v2, isn't singles, period lol, that's 2v2, singles is 1v1.
Some people look at 1v1 and think, oh, it's all 1v1 ranks, when in fact, alot of games are 2v2/3v3, that you can't even tell without doing alot of research.
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I credit myself with the original idea of 2v2 singles, my worms league was the first one to have them implemented (TPL, which was working in early 2007).
The general idea is that there are different benefits and downsides for both players.
Let's say that the teammates have ratings of 1700 and 1100 points in a scheme they play for a 2v2. This averages out to 1400.
The higher ranked player will get more points for winning (because from his/her perspective, his/her rating is lowered by a whole 300 points for that game), but the downside is that he/she will have a lower chance of winning (considering that the lower ranked player is supposedly less skilled).
The situation is opposite for the another player. Less points to be won, but higher chance of winning.
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ah komito you really have problems, as you are tired of the games it just does not play! \Rather than looking for problems with boredom!
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2v2 or 3v3 singles are not that popular to get a separate standings page and the current system works exactly as you described, except that the points TeamA earns would be added to each of its members.
Yea I figured as much, it's just, singles isn't really singles, if you get me? It'd be nice to keep those seperate, even if 2v2/3v3 is only as popular as free league, i'd actually play more 2v2 cuz I wouldn't be afraid of ruining my 1v1 record, which I already have, and now i'll never play 2v2 again unless I am with one of 2 people who I trust not to mess around and lose, and i'd rather have a seperate standings page, jus saying if it was seperate, i'd play more random 2v2/3v3 League games with anyone possible, I think maybe others would too, maybe.
i totally agree, and popularity hm, tus still offers clanners for tel and trl and tfl, guess seperate standings for 2 vs 2 (3vs 3) wont be less popular then this.
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guess seperate standings for 2 vs 2 (3vs 3) wont be less popular then this.
What's with the back to front English lol? I don't get if you agree with me or not lol
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oh sorry: imo there should be standings for classic single and classic team games (2vs2, 3vs3)
i just linked to other tus leagues offers which are defitnitly used less then a possible 2vs2 league.
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Ah yeah, so you feel the same as me.
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I like it the way it is right now for the following reason.
I played 2vs2 TRL BnG with Random against k1nG and Roperz a few weeks ago. By choosing me as his partner (I hadn't played TRL yet at that time, so my rank was 1000) he had to take the risk of me f@#!ing it up, but in case we would win he'd gain more points than if he had played alone - due to my low rank.
It's a way to improve one's rank by a bit more than just the usual 5-10 points if pulled off successfully. You could've done that with 2vs2 BnG too btw. :)
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*What darkz said*
Its most unfortunate that komo had to end his streak cause he was unaware of that fact, but that doesnt mean he (for example) cant use this like darkz said, by finding a partner he trusts and gaining scheme points faster.
The biggest problem with seperate 2v2 and 3v3 leagues is that its simply not viable, not even trl seasons themselves dont reach full capacity for PO , I bet not even bng will have 8players with above 50% ratio and >50games, just like wxw :/
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darKz, I know that, but imo that's "cheating the system" in a way, the standings say "single" and they are not "single"...
Besides, I was playing a "singles" league to have a progressing record for "singles" BnG, that's ruined, it will never be true ever again.
For me, 2v2/3v3 is a totally different game of BnG altogether, it shouldn't be in the same standings imo.
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komo I'm sure you could easily get that game removed, since you didn't seem to even know the implications. monkeyisland, what do you think?
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im not sure if that was sarcasm or not lol...
but i think you should remove the game from his record... should not spoil his 1v1 record with a 2v2 loss tbh
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not for nothing but if komo has the time to post 4,500 times i think he should of been able to pay attention to how the system works, its not like this is new either its been like that since tpl
maybe fix his winning streak, but if u give him the points back its bullshit
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I agree with wooka actually, kinda, in the sense that it was my stupidity, not that he called me stupid, but I did, so that's cool.
I would like my 2v2 points seperate from my 1v1 points, including the 2v2's i've won, but I would absolutely hate to have the game removed entirely, people don't learn their lesson if they aren't punished properly.
According with wookas suggestion, MonkeyIsland, couldn't you program it so 2v2/3v3 don't affect your winning streak for "singles" entirely, however, the points remain true?
In my honest opinion, I still think K1nG was pretty lame for getting all serious like he did, because I assumed (my fault) the game was gonna be just for fun, but at the same time, he earned his win and didn't do anything wrong by the rules, it was entirely my fault for being drunk, and stupid, I hope no one thinks any less of him for that.
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Excluding streaks when 2v2/3v3? Hmm...
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Excluding streaks when 2v2/3v3? Hmm...
Yeh I thought that was indeed a good idea. Since, it measures your streak on your own merit and the points for the 2v2, 3v3 can still be subtracted/added to your points and the wins/loses that come with them added to your total wins/loses but not to the streak itself
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You can adjust the "streak" definition. Make it "1vs1 streak" for example, or make 2 different streaks (1vs1 and overall) :) Actually I don't care at all, just saying :D