Hi there,
After Fada's post, I just came to an idea:
Could you (MI) please, make an alternate league where only people playing for fun can join it ?
I mean, this would be like a ranked Wormnet: you play a game FOR FUN (not a TuS one, or whatever), and then just report it.
Lot of people would say "what's the interest in it ?".
Well, it's just to see your real level at worms, and if you're improving your skills or not; and for sure, it's for FUN before everything.
I'll quote for example 2 guys forbidden to this league: Tita and Random (sorry dudes, but it's the truth, you only play for win and forgot what fun Worms is).
Thanks in advance for answering.
Yours sincerely,
xDragonfirex.
PS: Smiter guys, you can go on: the less Karma I have, the more happy I am. .)
PSS: Almost forgot the most important point: Fairness.
There is no rules, it's only up to your fairness: if someone didn't cow on purpose, he doesn't have to skip (his opponent decide).
If someone falls after 1/2sec turn or on a bl way, you can skip to let him does his full turn (as I used to do on Fb).
For sure this is just examples, you're not obliged to do this, but the player selection would come in fonction of these behaviours.
no sense in my eyes..
there will be alwys ppl playing ftw.. there will be stats, reportd games where do u see who wins.. and still there will be ppl that want to win hard.. even if that league is called 'for fun'..
if u play 'for fun' then u dont care and u can play TuS classic league and lose, cose u play 'for fun' and u dnt care..
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:12 PMno sense in my eyes..
there will be alwys ppl playing ftw.. there will be stats, reportd games where do u see who wins.. and still there will be ppl that want to win hard.. even if that league is called 'for fun'..
The thing is that kind of people isn't allowed to play the league. :)
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:12 PMif u play 'for fun' then u dont care and u can play TuS classic league and lose, cose u play 'for fun' and u dnt care..
Yep, but it's not funny to play against a guy who wanna play only ftw (he acts cheaply, lamely, etcetera, and does not try to make nice shots (high chance to miss)).
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 12:58 PM
I'll quote for example 2 guys forbidden to this league: Tita and Random (sorry dudes, but it's the truth, you only play for win and forgot what fun Worms is).
Maybe that's your opinion dude, for some people playing to win is the thrill which they get their fun out of. I don't think it's wise also to point your finger on 2 guys, i know loads of guys who like competetive play more than sense free funners/warmers whatever (me included :)).
but since TuS was alwys from evry one (even zippo is STILL part of this, STILL) how could be there a league that regect some players..
how the hell do u choice the players? who choice them?
in my eyes if u are playing league u have to have in ur mind that u are here to win.. otherwise dnt make sense.
a league where noone care about rank, and stating, even who reports what! then why do u report? report is way to show/prve that u won someone. if u play 'for fun' dnt make sense to show who won, dnt even those guys care about who won (if u want to report again that was for fun, then u care about the WIN! u must be not alowd to play).. so its a dead league before start
ps, sorry for the english, its even worst since im not playing /posting lately xd
No offense dude but this idea is totally stupid.
Quote from: chakkman on September 11, 2010, 01:40 PMI don't think it's wise also to point your finger on 2 guys
I agree, but I hardly noticed them in WO, so they were perfect as example (and I apologized for pointing them).
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PM
but since TuS was alwys from evry one (even zippo is STILL part of this, STILL) how could be there a league that regect some players..
It's not a TuS league, It would be more like a cup.
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PMhow the hell do u choice the players? who choice them?
People fair enough in my eyes.
And we also can allow everybody, then ban people who badly behave.
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PMin my eyes if u are playing league u have to have in ur mind that u are here to win.. otherwise dnt make sense.
There is a difference between playing for the win and fun (it means you try to win doing hard shots, not only safe ones), and playing for the win only (it means you try to win doing cheap/lame shots, and most of the time whine when you lose).
Quote from: Free on September 11, 2010, 01:50 PM
No offense dude but this idea is totally stupid.
You're free to give your opinion, but with arguments. .)
Well i can't imagine a league with selected players rejecting non wanted players complies to what this site stands for and what the makers of this site want, so might be better to open your own league like komo did with his bng league.
I'd like to, but I'm not quite good in doing Websites. x|
And I also want to know if there would be players, before trying to do it.
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PM
but since TuS was alwys from evry one (even zippo is STILL part of this, STILL) how could be there a league that regect some players..
It's not a TuS league, It would be more like a cup.
u called it for Fun League, whats realy diferent of a Cup.
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PMhow the hell do u choice the players? who choice them?
People fair enough in my eyes.
And we also can allow everybody, then ban people who badly behave.
So, how do u see if someone is playing for fun? or it gonna be like, who fails more and do more 'tricks' win?
its gonna be like, 'well beer u had no tricks and no fails in or last games, u are banned!'
or what?
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 01:42 PMin my eyes if u are playing league u have to have in ur mind that u are here to win.. otherwise dnt make sense.
There is a difference between playing for the win and fun (it means you try to win doing hard shots, not only safe ones), and playing for the win only (it means you try to win doing cheap/lame shots, and most of the time whine when you lose).
agree, there are difference btw them! when u play ''for fun'' u realy dnt give a fuk (''for fun'' cose evryone play for fun, and just some play ''for fun''), so ull not report, it dnt make part of a 'for fun'' game to report after all, dnt make any sense. realy its just agains ''for fun'' rules (if there is any rules)
not evryone that plays ftw (evryone who play leagues) do these lame shots and shit..
man i just dnt understant why u want to play for fun and then report it in a league...
Quote from: chakkman on September 11, 2010, 01:40 PM
for some people playing to win is the thrill which they get their fun out of.
+1
If I have got your post correctly, then I think you're making a paradox.
What's the meaning of fun exactly? I think you must define it again. People play competitive in leagues
BECAUSE they have fun playing it. From the most horrible person to the most nicest one. They are all having fun.
It is not like people playing in leagues are bringing money to their families but deep inside they don't like their "jobs" but they have to!
People play leagues for fun, but in different levels. Some love to have a competitive match, some love to earn points. Some love to win a medal, some just wanna enjoy the thrill of a serious match, knowing their opponent is doing his best.
There's a common idea about leagues around WN for sometime: (and I believed that for sometime)
"Leagues are for assholes". People believe if they participate in the league, they will be labeled as an asshole and people will think they are some annoying kids who just think about points, points, points.
"lol no, I just play for fun" => same paradox. Moreover, it caused a bad meaning for "having fun" for some people:
Playing aimlessly or roping around carelessly hoping that something amusing, some new rope trick happen.
For this league to work, you gotta define "fun" specifically which I think will conflict with the current concept of the league.
im actually making profit for winning tus matches, especially wxw matches.
lel
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on September 11, 2010, 02:35 PM
Quote from: chakkman on September 11, 2010, 01:40 PM
for some people playing to win is the thrill which they get their fun out of.
+1
If I have got your post correctly, then I think you're making a paradox.
What's the meaning of fun exactly? I think you must define it again. People play competitive in leagues BECAUSE they have fun playing it. From the most horrible person to the most nicest one. They are all having fun.
It is not like people playing in leagues are bringing money to their families but deep inside they don't like their "jobs" but they have to!
People play leagues for fun, but in different levels. Some love to have a competitive match, some love to earn points. Some love to win a medal, some just wanna enjoy the thrill of a serious match, knowing their opponent is doing his best.
There's a common idea about leagues around WN for sometime: (and I believed that for sometime)
"Leagues are for assholes". People believe if they participate in the league, they will be labeled as an asshole and people will think they are some annoying kids who just think about points, points, points.
"lol no, I just play for fun" => same paradox. Moreover, it caused a bad meaning for "having fun" for some people:
Playing aimlessly or roping around carelessly hoping that something amusing, some new rope trick happen.
For this league to work, you gotta define "fun" specifically which I think will conflict with the current concept of the league.
yea paradox, thats the word im missing lol...
u're so smart MI, :-*
damnt i need ur english skills, but u did nice point.. a point that i would 'pointed' if i was able to write like u ::)
Quote from: beer on September 11, 2010, 02:33 PM
agree, there are difference btw them! when u play ''for fun'' u realy dnt give a fuk (''for fun'' cose evryone play for fun, and just some play ''for fun''), so ull not report, it dnt make part of a 'for fun'' game to report after all, dnt make any sense. realy its just agains ''for fun'' rules (if there is any rules)
indeedly
also, when ag is full of random noobs and u can only find one mate u wanna play with, but he wants league, then u play league with him and even if u happen to win, u dun care about reporting
this happened to me back in xts, but nowadays im aaalllllll about wiiinniiiing
I only did read first post but its simple:
Fun games -> Dont need a report (so why u need a league?) a league is made to be in competition with eachother. U want to have a competition in funners as well? If you want to play 'fun' games and dont wanna play for the win, then just find somebody in #AG that is friendly enough to give u that match.
Ofcourse if you are on a league you also have to play against players that u might not like but that's just the way it is. In the competition of football there is also war between several teams. When you join a league you agree on that. After all, I never did meet somebody that wanted to lose a game. Everybody always tryed there best inside a game. If you care about this mentality then I think you just shouldn't play league games.
I don't understand why you ever thought about creating a 'fun' section, there is already a fun section called #AnythingGoes. Up for a funner? I'll be there.
Greetz,
Uni.
Quote from: Unique on September 11, 2010, 03:37 PMIf you care about this mentality then I think you just shouldn't play league games.
That's what I currently do, but I remember Cbs/Cbc was a league where there wasn't such problems (or at least, a lot less than here).
Quote from: Unique on September 11, 2010, 03:37 PMI don't understand why you ever thought about creating a 'fun' section, there is already a fun section called #AnythingGoes. Up for a funner? I'll be there.
Lies, you're always playing clanners. :p
And nowadays, it's impossible to play a funner game, since they all want to play TuS only...And MI, many people are playing like if winning a game would make them earn money to feed their family (it's a game, calm down, destress, and play FAIR).
QuoteThat's what I currently do, but I remember Cbs/Cbc was a league where there wasn't such problems (or at least, a lot less than here).
I did play cbs and cbc as well but I have to say that its a much smaller community. Ofcourse there is an other atmosphere at that league. U can't measure TUS with cbs/cbc. Tho I get what you try to say to the community but I guess you just overreact it mate. Maybe you should play a bit more league of legends with me ;D
Oh yeh and look, I know it's hard to get a good funner game I don't get them much as well but joining a clan would increase that. You have no idea how much funners are played inside CF and i'm sure a lot of other clans have a lot intern activities as well. Also you shouldnt care about wormers that play this game like it's whole their life. People are different and if some people like to play the game that way, then why won't u let him/her play her game? Just like he/she/it/that is letting you play the game your way as well. You just shouldn't care about those things and if you don't like to play with that sort of players then just catch somebody in the #AG which thinks the same about this game as you.
I agree, but the time where every wormsers were mates and had fun is missing me. :'(
In fact, I guess I'm only trying to remake this small community has you said..
I just have to take over it, and have in mind it won't happen anymore (but god, it's damn hard)...
Topic closed.
Abnaxus was just sharing his thoughts, coming up with an idea and some of you act disrespectful to him, what the hell is the need?
Basically it's like this, his idea will never work, it will never happen, and yes it wasn't thought through very well, but none of you even mentioned the fact the main point he was trying to make is nowadays too many people actually spoil competitive games by acting like total ****s taking it too seriously and listen to this, because it's true, most players won't even have a proper conversation with you, no one even said well done Abnaxus, at least you care about having fun and socializing in a competitive game...
Most people used to play competitive and have a conversation and have a laugh together (obviously some still do) and now it just doesn't happen as much as it should...
You know what, losing a game feels SO MUCH BETTER when the person who beat you has had a cool conversation with you and you both know you have respected each others challenge, and not just "hf-hf, ns/bl/argh/****/gg-gg" and actually alot of people don't even say nice shot or damn that was awesome anymore cuz they just care about winning so much...
I could not agree more with Abnaxus, I don't care what anyone says anymore you can all think what you want, even that other thread I made I was trying to make a ****ing point that no one even understood, it's got that bad that people don't even realise they are part of it, doing it or just won't admit it, instead, they just change the subject and say you are whining too much...
^^ And yes I know I get competitive sometimes, and take some losses to heart, but at least I go about it in a nice way and at least try my best to have a proper conversation with people and actually have fun, where is the fun in sitting at your PC with a straight face all day?
Ugo, the idea isn't the best lol, but I am so glad that we are on the same level mate, I really am, at least you ain't lost thought of why you got addicted to this game in the 1st place.
Also, just want to point out, I didn't make the website for a2b, this was courtesy of M3ntal, I pretty much just organise everything occasionally seeking the advice of other b2b/a2b members, and report any website issues to M3ntal that need fixed...
Dave, mate for real make small posts.. i hate 'newspapers' xDD
serioslly not many will read all of that.. its to long and the tema dnt diservo so much
Well Tiago, that's your opinion, some people will, some people won't, if they care enough they will, if they don't care then I don't really care that they don't care lol...
Quote from: Komo on September 12, 2010, 03:03 AM
Well Tiago, that's your opinion, some people will, some people won't, if they care enough they will, if they don't care then I don't really care that they don't care lol...
w/e XDD i care, but sometimes im realy drunk, and the other times im just lazy.. but still i care xDD
:-*
Lol Tiago, chin chin mofo :)
lolool soz dave, i was realy drunk when i posted that.. it doesnt even make sense for me!! wtfwtflol
lmfao
Lol I wish all threads ended like this, it's been happening alot more recently :D
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 12:58 PM
I mean, this would be like a ranked Wormnet: you play a game FOR FUN (not a TuS one, or whatever), and then just report it.
[...]
Well, it's just to see your real level at worms [...]
And you wonder why Free says that the idea is basically stupid? I mean, what the heck is "the real level". When I play some hysteria funner for example I just do some weird shots and hide in the top where I have the most angles. And if my opponent does the same its like 50/50 who wins and this has nothing to do with skill difference at all.
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 12:58 PM
I'll quote for example 2 guys forbidden to this league: Tita and Random (sorry dudes, but it's the truth, you only play for win and forgot what fun Worms is).
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
I agree, but I hardly noticed them in WO, so they were perfect as example (and I apologized for pointing them).
I mean, why do you take us as an example if you hardly noticed us in WO? And how can you judge that I ain't having fun when I play worms? Take Elite for example. Its just a lot less fun when you dont try to play it for the win. Same goes for TTRR. And for Shopper, etc, etc.
And tbh, I just see 2 (maybe 3) schemes where playing just for the win can destroy the fun in the game and thats BnG, Team17 with unlim. girders and in some rare cases: Hysteria. It may be fun to just throw some cool 2sec max bounce nades in roper to have some stylish hits (like you did in your latest vid, that I really enjoyed), but for others its maybe more fun to always go for the max damage and try to win the game.
I have the most fun playing worms when I play competitive games and both players go for the win. Thats also why I dont really like Warmers and stuff like this. Same would go for some Roper where you just try trickshots. But you just call this the "real fun" and thats just not right for everyone. (MI made a good post about it already)
And btw: after WO finished I played a lot of competitive non-tus games in #ag. But since I didnt report them and they were not vs. you, you of course couldnt know that and you just assume that I only play league games and only for the win. I just dont like being judged like this by someone who doesnt really know me.
So, I dont really get what your problem is. If its just about getting some nice funner games, then you should try asking some good players when they are in #ag before comming up with an idea that is just not good (like beer, MI, chakkman, free, etc. already said...). If I got you wrong then it would be nice if you could maybe explain your problem again.
PS: Sorry for the long post, beer xddd
Quote from: Random00 on September 12, 2010, 07:34 PM
PS: Sorry for the long post, beer xddd
i did read this time ::)
and ur point is right, even if i dnt do the same way..
Quote from: Random00 on September 12, 2010, 07:34 PMIf its just about getting some nice funner games, then you should try asking some good players when they are in #ag before
They are: Afk, TuSing or asking for a TuS(clanner or single).
And I don't say you're not having fun in playing ftw (because I also love game played for the win, but a NICER way), I'm just saying it's boring for the opponent (at least, me and all guys who think the same way):
You should know how boring it is to play against someone who play only for the win (I mean you can play for the win without cheaping, as it used to be, but in this case, I'm pointing the fact there is only cheapers nowadays).
By cheapers I mean for example throwing 3sec nades and repeating them all the time while the opponent try not to be so scouring.
And btw, CF members only play against eachother when it's a non league game, or at least, it's what I see everytime..
It's great, but as almost every clan do the same, we have only the noobs left ... which is, on time, boring.
PS: Thanks Komo, I guess you're the only one who understood a part of what I said..
And It's my fault, not your, so don't start with flaming comments (I do have problem with expression).
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 12, 2010, 08:05 PM
It's great, but as almost every clan do the same, we have only the noobs left ... which is, on time, boring.
You are totally wrong on this one. I dont play TUS (only clanners ocassionaly), or any other league besides a2b which isnt too active, and i dont remember when i had more problems in having good fun game with known people. All i need is to host a game and when it doesnt work i ask some mates, thats all.
Quote from: Abnaxus on September 12, 2010, 08:05 PM
By cheapers I mean for example throwing 3sec nades and repeating them all the time while the opponent try not to be so scouring.
that actually happened to me few times, i try to do all kind of shots in bng, and opponent (not even a league game) just keeps 3s with me whole game, maybe he got his fun out of doing so. it was annoying for me because i was having time off from league lol, so i wanted relaxing match, but these occasions are quite rare
Random, I do agree with alot of what you are saying, we all know you ejoy the occasional funner, but you can't have a go people thinking you only play for the win, because with what statistics show, you being number 1 on TuS, highly above anyone else, for as long as you have been, and continously dominating WO, now while this being said, it isn't a bad thing, because you are one of the calmest and fairest players with great sportsmanship and I honestly couldn't think of anyone else who deserves that spot more than you, and I am glad it's such a fair player who IS #1.
And also, don't say playing for the win destroys the fun in BnG, it only destroys the fun in BnG with players who can't do more than 3s grenade and 4s grenade, everyone on a2b enjoys there game and has alot of fun, every single a2b game i've watched replays for everyone respects each other, has long conversations and laughs with each other, and they want to win.
To BnG like most of the players in a2b, it is ALOT harder to perfect than any other scheme, if you are playing with variety AND being consistent at the same time, and this DOES put alot of people off playing BnG.
And even I admit, BnG's with just 3s and 4s repeats etc is the most boring thing to witness on WA for me... But play it like we do, and it's awesome :)