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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Senator on December 28, 2014, 09:46 PM
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Is it possible to count Classic league's elite games automatically in for TEL? I think this would benefit both leagues since 1) If you want to participate in TEL, you can do that playing Classic and not TEL instead, and 2) TEL would have more played games with Classic elite games included.
TEL standings wouldn't still be the same as Classic elite standings since TEL games wouldn't be counted in for Classic league.
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hell yea !
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but what about those who dont want to play in TEL league?
I dont want my elite games on the TEL ladder...
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great idea!
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then i want a roper league...
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bungee league also
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but what about those who dont want to play in TEL league?
I dont want my elite games on the TEL ladder...
There should be a checkbox in the league options if wanna that ur league elite games would count for e TEL.
Problem fixed.
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If you make this you'll need to ask for TUS instead of TEL, am i right? Still doesn't make any sense to me tbh.
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then i want a roper league...
Pls granny shoppa league :D
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but what about those who dont want to play in TEL league?
I dont want my elite games on the TEL ladder...
Your elite games are already shown on the Classic elite ladder. What's the big deal if they are shown on another similar ladder (TEL)? :o But yeah, this could be made optional like Berria said.
If you make this you'll need to ask for TUS instead of TEL, am i right? Still doesn't make any sense to me tbh.
No.
If you ask for TUS, you play 2 picks and elite games are counted in TEL as well.
If you ask for TEL, you play only elite and games are counted in TEL only.
So,
TEL standings: TEL games + Classic elite games
Classic league's elite standings: Classic elite games only
Why separate TEL ladder then? Because, who would agree to play one pick elite vs Random00 and risk Classic points?
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If you make this you'll need to ask for TUS instead of TEL, am i right? Still doesn't make any sense to me tbh.
No.
If you ask for TUS, you play 2 picks and elite games are counted in TEL as well.
If you ask for TEL, you play only elite and games are counted in TEL only.
So,
TEL standings: TEL games + Classic elite games
Classic league's elite standings: Classic elite games only
Why separate TEL ladder then? Because, who would agree to play one pick elite vs Random00 and risk Classic points?
Ok i got it now, you have my vote ;)
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Yes good idea !
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Sounds ok, but...
will it display two ratings after a result then? One using the Classic ratings to count the score and one using the TEL rating? :o
This is kinda weird construction if you ask me. When people wanted to use same rating for classic & TEL nobody wanted it and now we count classic for TEL but not the other way around and it's all good? Weeeird.
If this happens then we might as well add TRL again, to have another scheme besides Elite having its own league.
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Yes, one game would give you points for Classic league based on Classic ratings and for TEL based on TEL ratings. Classic and TEL ratings would not get mixed in any way.
Game reports could be as before. Elite games would be just added invisibly into TEL season+overall stats.
The logic behind this is simple: Classic league's Elite games can be counted in TEL since it's a one scheme league. TEL games cannot be counted in Classic league because that would require an agreement of the pick.
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you can already do it. just report your game twice rofl. f@#!ing lazy idiots :D
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stupid , stupid ,stupid... not everyone wants to be in TEL league... just like not everyone wants to be in HAL league...
Elite league should be for Elite players only... not just elite players playing in Classic league against players who care little for elite...
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The reason behind leagues like TEL and TRL is so have totally separated standings. At the time of their creation I distinctly remember people just wanting a fresh league having nothing to do with other leagues.
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stupid , stupid ,stupid... not everyone wants to be in TEL league... just like not everyone wants to be in HAL league...
Elite league should be for Elite players only... not just elite players playing in Classic league against players who care little for elite...
OK. Apparently it annoys some people too much if their Elite record is shown on two different ladders instead of one... You don't have to take part in playoffs you know ;)
They'd better care for Elite if they want to succeed in Classic league... I'm not "Elite player" but I still play TEL (to learn Elite for Classic). Bad Elite players exist in both TEL and Classic league.
The reason behind leagues like TEL and TRL is so have totally separated standings. At the time of their creation I distinctly remember people just wanting a fresh league having nothing to do with other leagues.
People complain about inactivity so I'm just suggesting a solution for that.
Playing TEL is away from Classic league so what can you do about it? You can close TEL OR you can do what I suggested. TEL seems to be dying anyway so perhaps you don't have to do anything. What I suggested would help TEL too, like two birds with one stone.
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It's not like that. It's having more POs with more inactive and demotivated players. If TEL is getting less inactivity, then TEL will be disabled until the demand goes up again.
I appreciate your concern and effort to propose solutions but don't think mixing up leagues is the way. We have/had similar "All rounder" league which was doing the same thing and with minimum success.
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I seriously think removing more of these free league schemes is one solution as mentioned in the HAL thread. The reason why there is inactivity in certain leagues is because we have too many!!!
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It's having more POs with more inactive and demotivated players.
Yes if playoffs requirement for TEL was kept the same. Classic league players would get around 30 Elite games from Classic league. So if TEL playoffs requirement was set back to 50 games, they would still need 20 TEL/TUS games more to qualify. My suggestion is useful only when TEL is active and you need more than 20 games to qualify for playoffs.
Classic singles & clanner, TEL and Free league together are quite much for one player. Thus most players have to make a choice between the leagues. Simple math: after clanners you have time to play 100 games so you have to choose between TUS (80 games) and TEL (50 games). Instead you could play 80 TUS games and 20 TEL games (or 100 TUS games) and qualify for both playoffs. That means one more participant for either league.
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you can already do it. just report your game twice rofl. f@#!ing lazy idiots :D
exactly!
Why not if both players agree the game can be report for TEL and elite classic standings and use the same replay twice. But must be clearly stated by both players?
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It's having more POs with more inactive and demotivated players.
Yes if playoffs requirement for TEL was kept the same. Classic league players would get around 30 Elite games from Classic league. So if TEL playoffs requirement was set back to 50 games, they would still need 20 TEL/TUS games more to qualify. My suggestion is useful only when TEL is active and you need more than 20 games to qualify for playoffs.
Classic singles & clanner, TEL and Free league together are quite much for one player. Thus most players have to make a choice between the leagues. Simple math: after clanners you have time to play 100 games so you have to choose between TUS (80 games) and TEL (50 games). Instead you could play 80 TUS games and 20 TEL games (or 100 TUS games) and qualify for both playoffs. That means one more participant for either league.
Senator, this is the exact problem of wa activity and tus league. The league has grown at a time of wa being really active and we had enough players competing across all the leagues for them to be active and a challenge. But over the past 12 months with wa becoming more inactive, tus hasn't changed and there are TOO many leagues for players to play in. [Which i've mentioned in other posts]. Its becoming a ghost town with empty houses for example as people have left but the infrastructure has remained the same.
Now new comers to competitive gaming on wa have too much choice and in the past in other leagues there was only 1 classic league. So all new players went into this league and learnt classic league schemes. However, new gamers come to tus and pick and play free league, or abnormal, HAL, TRL, TEL etc and the community is becoming divided because of the activity that has decreased, looks bigger when the league games are divided between more leagues.
I really think we should try going back to our roots and only support an overall classic league for singles. Its great that tus has a lot of bells and whistles to add as features like cups and challenges, but in my opinion there is too much choice for such a small community for competitive gaming.
However we are the masters of our own fate and these none classic schemes must be popular to a certain degree, people are playing and learning on wormnet, but having TEL or TRL or the other leagues currently isn't doing us anything favours.
I think MI should remove certain leagues and cups and challenges and we should only have classic league with maybe free league. This would require less updates and coding from MI at a time when he finds it difficult to work on tus as often as he did in the past, and then there is nothing from stopping other members of the community building their own websites if they wanted to host a unique league. This is what happened in the past with WEL, NNL and rr challenge sites i think that FFie used to support with Darkone. That why when new comers came to tus, they'd adapt to classic league faster and we'd have more activitity in the most important league on wormnet, and if they wanted to play non classic schemes there is still free league or independent new websites that other community members could host instead of asking MI to turn on or off each month.