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Title: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 28, 2008, 04:28 PM: I say we have 3 playoffs at the end of each season :

Total playoffs
Classic playoffs
Free playoffs

First 8 players in each stats play together in a knockout.
1 game (scheme) for each game.
And site choose that scheme for their games.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Rok on November 28, 2008, 05:38 PM: I think:

2 playoffs, classic and free.

At least 30 games played and 50% winning percentage to enter the playoffs.

Best of five, higher ranked player/clan gets to pick first.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Ray on November 28, 2008, 10:15 PM: Rok is right, as it was in every league so far.
But I prefer having PO only for the "classic" league.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Rioter on November 28, 2008, 11:11 PM: Sounds like a good idea.

And I agree with Rok - keep the playoff's separate of each other.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: van on November 29, 2008, 01:31 AM: Quote from: Rok on November 28, 2008, 05:38 PM
I think:

2 playoffs, classic and free.

At least 30 games played and 50% winning percentage to enter the playoffs.

Best of five, higher ranked player/clan gets to pick first.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 05:27 AM: So no playoff for total ?

No matter how many people pass "30 games and 50%", They all enter playoff? probably the knockout part would give "free win" when he number is not the root of 2.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Rok on November 29, 2008, 11:10 AM: Quote from: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 05:27 AM
So no playoff for total ?

No matter how many people pass "30 games and 50%", They all enter playoff? probably the knockout part would give "free win" when he number is not the root of 2.

No playoff for total, it doesn't make sense to me.
The best 8 players that meet the mentioned criteria would enter playoffs, MI.

P.S. Karma applaud for Van coz he picks good quotes ;D
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 12:32 PM: Quote from: Rok on November 29, 2008, 11:10 AM
No playoff for total, it doesn't make sense to me.

hmm why doesn't make any sense to you?
In total playoff, system will choose between 19 schemes for each their game.
In classic system will choose over 8 schemes
In free system will choose over 11 schemes.

Unless I don't see your point of view ^^
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: darkmaul on November 29, 2008, 01:05 PM: first do like rok said coz u will have inactivity prob too :o
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: van on November 29, 2008, 01:12 PM: Because classic league is league which is/will be played the most, therefore it's most prestigue to win season, having 'total league PO' screws that up considering it even sounds like it's more important than classic, (total PO winner>classic PO winner).
There's no total league, there shouldn't be total PO.

1 random game for each round? Great, that won't never state who is the best player (woo, you can even get hysteria game in final, in classic league, imagine that ;X)

I completely agree with rok on this one, system was good, there's no point in changing it. Oh, and yay for conservatists.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 01:37 PM: hmm it's even possible one random scheme for each game.
But I guess for each round is better.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: WookA on November 29, 2008, 03:16 PM: best of 5 always worked out good, with the person with better standings picking the first scheme, maybe best of 7 since intermediate and hysteria are now in it, and i think you should have 8 players in the playoffs, if u think u need more 14 would probably work out too if you get too many people in it it will never get finished
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 03:36 PM: Best of 5 for each game? or 7 ? Isn't that a lot?
If we're gonna leave the number of people which gonna take part in playoffs (50% won and 30 games played at least) open, Then best of some games wouldn't work and make it long. I guess one would be enough.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: pr on November 29, 2008, 04:04 PM: Quote from: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 03:36 PM
Best of 5 for each game? or 7 ? Isn't that a lot?
If we're gonna leave the number of people which gonna take part in playoffs (50% won and 30 games played at least) open, Then best of some games wouldn't work and make it long. I guess one would be enough.

bo5 is good for me
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Rok on November 29, 2008, 04:35 PM: @Monkeyisland: Again, top 8 OF THOSE who played at least 30 games and bla bla...

I strongly believe only 1 game per round is a mistake - afterall, a concept of a league is to determine who's a better allrounder, not who's better at, let's say, randomly picked hysteria with random placing as a cherry on top :/

Aren't tourneys the place for 1 game rounds?
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: WookA on November 29, 2008, 04:59 PM: Quote from: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 03:36 PM
Best of 5 for each game? or 7 ? Isn't that a lot?
If we're gonna leave the number of people which gonna take part in playoffs (50% won and 30 games played at least) open, Then best of some games wouldn't work and make it long. I guess one would be enough.

its not for each game, say its me vs you in playoffs and you have a better rating... you get to decide what scheme we play first, then after that game i get to decide one (not the same as yours) and we keep doing that untill one of us has 3 wins or 4 (depending on whether its bo5 or bo7)
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 06:17 PM: Normally a player with higher position is a better player (Not always ;D). The advantage of being on a higher position is that you get to play with a lower position player, for example the 1st gets to play with the 8th.
I'm thinking giving the right of choosing the first scheme to the higher position player may be a bit wrong as he has enough advantage.

I agree with the bo5, But lets say if the lower positioned player pick the scheme OR site choose 5 schemes for the players, Like they start playing 1st and goto 5th if necessary.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: WookA on November 29, 2008, 10:05 PM: idk the way i see it is that the higher position player deserves the first pick more, but u could always do a vote or whatever, thats just my oppinion
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: pr on November 29, 2008, 10:20 PM: Quote from: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 06:17 PM
Normally a player with higher position is a better player (Not always ;D). The advantage of being on a higher position is that you get to play with a lower position player, for example the 1st gets to play with the 8th.
I'm thinking giving the right of choosing the first scheme to the higher position player may be a bit wrong as he has enough advantage.

I agree with the bo5, But lets say if the lower positioned player pick the scheme OR site choose 5 schemes for the players, Like they start playing 1st and goto 5th if necessary.

my opinion:

1. Best of 5.
2. Schemes are NOT chosen by system.
3. Higher rating picks first scheme.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MaStEr on December 05, 2008, 11:10 AM: Quote from: pr on November 29, 2008, 10:20 PM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on November 29, 2008, 06:17 PM
Normally a player with higher position is a better player (Not always ;D). The advantage of being on a higher position is that you get to play with a lower position player, for example the 1st gets to play with the 8th.
I'm thinking giving the right of choosing the first scheme to the higher position player may be a bit wrong as he has enough advantage.

I agree with the bo5, But lets say if the lower positioned player pick the scheme OR site choose 5 schemes for the players, Like they start playing 1st and goto 5th if necessary.

my opinion:

1. Best of 5.
2. Schemes are NOT chosen by system.
3. Higher rating picks first scheme.

agree.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: darKz on December 09, 2008, 04:34 PM: #1
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#8

#3
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#6

#5
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#4

#7
vs /
#2

Isn't this how playoffs are usually seeded? #1 vs #2 in semi-finals doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on December 09, 2008, 06:32 PM: Yea true, Must have lost this point while coding. It is fixed now.
Thanks man.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: f4st on December 10, 2008, 02:39 PM: Will be Intermediate allowed to pick in Playoffs? Cause i don't play it (i think it had to be in Free League ;D).
So if u r my opponent in Playoffs and u want 1 easy win pick Intermediate, ill dont play it and its +1 for u ;))
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Chicken23 on December 13, 2008, 10:08 PM: po schemes that can be picked should be

elite
bng
roper
ttrr
t17
shopper

imo
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: pr on December 14, 2008, 09:12 AM: po schemes should be same as now i can pick from classic league and the list can't be changed in this season.
i dont care of u f4st. rly. u hate inter, Tom hates smth too, MI hates hatreds, dt hates all wa community, i hate bng. who cares lol?

ps: sorry, dt. i forgot u like bytor :D
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Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: lalo on December 15, 2008, 01:16 AM: Quote from: Chicken23 on December 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
po schemes that can be picked should be

elite
bng
roper
ttrr
t17
shopper

imo

I agree too.
By the way, what about the Clanner's po? If I'm not wrong, the clan has to play 30 games? that's too much as I see, playing at least 12 games would be better, is not so easy find a tus clanner and less other clan agreeing with playing it. As example, clans like CKC or CF, it's not hard to see in their played, that not every clan wants to play against them, well I can't see the games played by CF at all because when I try it displays the games played by my clan xD. Will be a shame if those clans can't get into the PO only due they couldn't play 30 games

Also, I don't think that is a good idea have the 50% at least of games won. Clans that reach a not bad rating playing against anyone are better than a clan that have the best rating only avoiding clans with better players, therefore, delete that stipulation! avoid noobashing!.

Edit: Rofl xD why I have -1 of Karma xD. c@#!s! I'm the most friendly wormer haha.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MonkeyIsland on December 15, 2008, 01:25 AM: I had forgotten to say. System do not check for 50% winning percentage. Only 30 games.
We have more than 2 weeks to end of this season, I guess there's still chance clans make it to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: f4st on December 15, 2008, 09:19 AM: Quote from: pr on December 14, 2008, 09:12 AM
i dont care of u f4st. rly. u hate inter, Tom hates smth too, MI hates hatreds, dt hates all wa community, i hate bng. who cares lol?

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U r a bit wrong man, i dont hate inter "only", i hate all luck based schemes, shoppa for a 2 good ropers is a cr8s luck scheme f.e.
Anyway read my post, if inter is allowed in PO np for me, pick it and +1 for u :)
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: pr on December 15, 2008, 09:49 AM: Quote from: f4st on December 15, 2008, 09:19 AM
Quote from: pr on December 14, 2008, 09:12 AM
i dont care of u f4st. rly. u hate inter, Tom hates smth too, MI hates hatreds, dt hates all wa community, i hate bng. who cares lol?

(http://worms.org.ua/forum/images/smiles/horovod.gif)

U r a bit wrong man, i dont hate inter "only", i hate all luck based schemes, shoppa for a 2 good ropers is a cr8s luck scheme f.e.
Anyway read my post, if inter is allowed in PO np for me, pick it and +1 for u :)

look this:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-stats/Intermediate-stats/

do u rly think that it's about 90% of luck now?
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Jakka on December 15, 2008, 11:08 AM: Inter for Play Offs.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: f4st on December 15, 2008, 11:15 AM: +1 inter for playoffs :)

lol nt PrNub, if he is that pr0 at intermediate, tell me why he is 2-3 at elite? isn't almost same, strategy games with 4 or 8 worms? with ur arguments now i think its 91% luky game :)
Dont put an example of a guy that ONLY plays intermediate...
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Free on December 15, 2008, 12:52 PM: Not even close the same thing.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: pr on December 15, 2008, 01:23 PM: Quote from: f4st on December 15, 2008, 11:15 AM
+1 inter for playoffs :)

lol nt PrNub, if he is that pr0 at intermediate, tell me why he is 2-3 at elite? isn't almost same, strategy games with 4 or 8 worms? with ur arguments now i think its 91% luky game :)
Dont put an example of a guy that ONLY plays intermediate...

just lol.
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: WookA on December 15, 2008, 03:41 PM: f4st has a point... using some1 that does intermediate only is a bad example, obviously if hes been playing intermediate all this time hes gonna play it better then all of these people that arent used to it being in the league... most of the people here that played previous leagues never practiced it because it was never a part, dario played NNNleague... most others did fb/xtc etc. thats why he owns inter and loses most of everything else , all schemes include atleast a small amount of luck, if you have a problem with luck then i think WA is the wrong game for you
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MaStEr on December 15, 2008, 10:53 PM: anyway i'm the best player in intermediate..

AND in wn. auhauhauh
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: WookA on December 16, 2008, 12:43 AM: shutup masterbater :D
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: MaStEr on December 16, 2008, 10:48 AM: sorry boss :'(