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Title: Seasons length
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 18, 2008, 12:01 PM
Please poll how much you'd like each season to last.
It will specify our rate and standings too.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: WookA on November 18, 2008, 03:26 PM
i voted for 4 weeks... i think longer then a month is a little too long, at 4 weeks theres already a bunch of people who want a fresh start
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: pr on November 18, 2008, 04:40 PM
i think lengths of free and classic leagues should differ.
classic: 1 month,
free: 2 months
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: chakkman on December 05, 2008, 11:29 AM
monkey, as the ppl voted 4 weeks length for the classic league, shouldnt be season 1 over yet? would be best to end it at the last day of the month actually so its not that confusing...
unless u wanna make season 1 last longer because it didnt start at the beginning of the month (dunno).
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Face on December 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
1 month for season, but as pointed out, first season should be a bit longer. People are still joining league (not everyone knows about it) so I personally would give 1st season 2 months length to let things settle down.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: pr on December 05, 2008, 02:08 PM
Quote from: Face on December 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
1 month for season, but as pointed out, first season should be a bit longer. People are still joining league (not everyone knows about it) so I personally would give 1st season 2 months length to let things settle down.
agreed
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Rok on December 05, 2008, 04:30 PM
Quote from: Face on December 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
1 month for season, but as pointed out, first season should be a bit longer. People are still joining league (not everyone knows about it) so I personally would give 1st season 2 months length to let things settle down.

That's good idea. U'll get clearer picture about what to improve... And season 2 would start on nice date of 1.1.2009 :)
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: pr on December 05, 2008, 04:42 PM
Quote from: Rok on December 05, 2008, 04:30 PM
That's good idea. U'll get clearer picture about what to improve... And season 2 would start on nice date of 1.1.2009 :)
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Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: MonkeyIsland on December 05, 2008, 06:09 PM
Well, Honestly I like the idea. But there will be some conflict with my codes ^^ as they are adjust the way to make each seasons 30 days. This season started 12th last month.
The new version of league is almost ready (Got a bit more work). 

Talking about making 1st season 2 month, gives the process some delay.
And The only negative problem I see is I could have some seasons statistics to compare to see how things changed in each season and that kinda require having same length seasons.

edit :   There have been over 800 games on TUS till now.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: chakkman on December 06, 2008, 01:38 PM
i feel with you monkey xD
i can imagine how much shit work all these changes produce...
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 06, 2008, 08:51 PM
my experiences tells me its really hard to get people to play playoffs (depends on how u can motivate them) so 2 months is best because u get less playoffs to manage and it makes reaching the playoffs more important.

id also suggest no playoffs for free beacuse its jsut too many, id also considering only displaying free standings with the schemes that arnt classic, so then you can see the top players of 'none league schemes' and maybe rank the top 3 players in a hall of fame.

But with classic, don't make too many playoffs because its hard to get people to finish their games, alot of leagues have had this problem over the years, and unless you make some really cool features like hall of fame and trophies it'll be hard to get the games done, espically if there are 2 sets of playoffs once a month and the same players reach both for free and classic.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 13, 2009, 05:17 PM
This topic came up again recently (mostly by beer on the chatbox :-*).
Let me tell you guys that I agree with beer. This activity deserves shorter seasons, I would go with either 30 or 40 days.

Quote from: Chicken23 on December 06, 2008, 08:51 PM
my experiences tells me its really hard to get people to play playoffs (depends on how u can motivate them) so 2 months is best because u get less playoffs to manage and it makes reaching the playoffs more important.

In my opinion, this is because nowadays, great part of the community does not know about the Playoffs, don't know how it works, what is it exactly. Against that:

Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: beer on December 13, 2009, 06:21 PM
Quote from: WookA on November 18, 2008, 03:26 PM
i voted for 4 weeks... i think longer then a month is a little too long, at 4 weeks theres already a bunch of people who want a fresh start

thats what i think.
btw, tus changed for 2 month, why? cose there was no enough games to have playoff.. maybe for clanner and free its should have more time. like 6 weeks clanner, 4 singles still
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 13, 2009, 06:30 PM
If we take the clanners into consideration, we see that the problem there is that there are no many active clans. Maybe 4-5, that's it. And Free League is just... something to be removed and something else should take the scheme's place. Like Tourney or Cup part. I don't know, but I really hate Free League right now. :D
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 13, 2009, 11:57 PM
yea, free league is pretty pointless.. same with countries, getting rid of that content on the site will make it easier to navigate aswell

I agree with all ur points Ray on how to create that interested in playoffs. But i think those changes need to be done before the season length is reduced.

I think beer's point of people wanting a new start and season are only because they are close or have already made playoff requirements. the single leagues are still interesting to those fighting for a playoff space.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: beer on December 14, 2009, 12:21 AM
lmao yea im waiting for po, thats why i want! u are right, and u want a long season to try make po, yea?oh cmn
dude as u see ppl isnt playing that mutch now. for me one reason is that long season.. ppl get bored even if u are in po or not..
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 14, 2009, 12:26 AM
True, it would be really good to see a graph of how many people played each day in the season, and also grab out to players, one of them qualifying on of them still trying. That would really show us what's going on. :)
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 14, 2009, 12:43 AM
Quote from: beer on December 14, 2009, 12:21 AM
lmao yea im waiting for po, thats why i want! u are right, and u want a long season to try make po, yea?oh cmn
dude as u see ppl isnt playing that mutch now. for me one reason is that long season.. ppl get bored even if u are in po or not..

what makes it boring for you?

I think its more interesting now cus i can see whos doing well this season and who i wanna find and try to beat to improve my po chances. I would like to make playoffs! :p but im accepting its hard without my keyboard and so i dont mind just improving my rank in default schemes!
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Rok on December 14, 2009, 07:53 AM
If we only managed to get playoffs played! But it takes ages...  :( That's the only problem I see here, but it's a rather big one. Imagine the mess when we'll have 3 or more unfinished playoffs.

For me, 2 months is ok, I barely managed to play 27 games in this season and we're way past the half of it.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: MonkeyIsland on December 14, 2009, 12:02 PM
I do not agree with 1 month. I've seen it, its a disaster. You blink and its over.
If people agree we can try 45 days for season 10.

How do you know the league being less active these days has something to do with season length? I'm not saying it doesn't. But it is not the only reason.
We are so close to new year. People are spending more times with their family or holidays.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: pr on December 14, 2009, 01:18 PM
The less season length is the less valuable are season's standings. Therefore it should not be less than 45 days.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: beer on December 14, 2009, 02:16 PM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on December 14, 2009, 12:02 PM
I do not agree with 1 month. I've seen it, its a disaster. You blink and its over.
If people agree we can try 45 days for season 10.

How do you know the league being less active these days has something to do with season length? I'm not saying it doesn't. But it is not the only reason.
We are so close to new year. People are spending more times with their family or holidays.

cose there was xtc, then fb. and not mutch ppl was about to play tus. thats why. it was alwys 1 month in all leagues
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 14, 2009, 06:47 PM
fb was 2 months and 16 playoff places. It was a struggle for playoffs to get finished. Darkone was the po mod and he did a good job tho!
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 14, 2009, 08:40 PM
DarkOne for president! (sorry pr, had to)
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: beer on December 14, 2009, 08:45 PM
well i started this, and maybe im wrong. i should say i do see this changed if its will help and improve this league.
for exemple, i cant play more games vs nail!! i realy enjoy vs him, and in the midle of this season we have done all games ;S.
i guess ppl isnt playing that mutch cose want a  refresh, im ok with it and i still play singles, not mutch in last days cose been buzy.
maybe im just wrong
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 14, 2009, 09:56 PM
No beer, you are not wrong, I was/am also on the side of shortening the league's length, although I understand the points of the other side too. I am pointless right now, cannot decide. :)
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 14, 2009, 11:40 PM
ive maxed out vs uber and really enjoyed playing him in t17.

I think its a shame when players who make po qualifications stop playing as dont wanna risk losing points. For example random, benz, csongi are all hard to find to play.

I do prefer longer seasons tho, but the only way i to do shorter ones it to fix the PO problem. With longer seasons it makes playoffs more important. But if its harder to get into playoffs mid seaosn because activity has decreased it sucks, but then at the end of the day if i wasnt a rope noob id be doing alot better in league!
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Chicken23 on December 15, 2009, 07:10 AM
Although, i have to admit. It is way harder to find a game of tus at moment.. alot less games played..

I guess those that are low in standings dont care as need new season to new chance, and those at top have already got their spots. Having shorter seasons would prevent the lack of motivation for those players who have missed or made the playoffs...

Hmm Hmm hmm!
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Rok on December 15, 2009, 08:33 AM
Almost everyone in top 20 has still got a chance to qualify for PO, chicken, including you and me, so there's enough motivation left imo. There must be some other reason for lower activity atm, I guess all the kids are outside throwing snowballs  ;D
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on December 15, 2009, 02:27 PM
Also, it is Christmas time, people are shopping, spending times together...
This thing is a bit controversial, since on one hand, there is the motivation for people who still want to be in the Playoffs, but on the other hand, they cannot find games to play, because the rest of the players don't want to play because they are already in the Playoffs. 40 days seasons?
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Crazy on December 15, 2009, 05:05 PM
First off, lol @ Chicken23 arguing with himself from post to post, hilarious! Anyway, I feel each season always has been one month (or a max of 30 games), it`s new for me to see a league where each season is this long. Personally I dont`t mind though, I`m not as active as I used to be (damn army), and I don`t think I`d be able to make it 50 games in one month ;o Two month lenght gives me the opportunity to still be able to fight for a playoff-place tho, and also make the limit. I have a fair chance, so I`m motivated even if there are less tus-games placed each day now versa earlier in the season. TUS, anyone?  :D
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: beer on December 15, 2009, 05:16 PM
Quote from: Crazy on December 15, 2009, 05:05 PM
First off, lol @ Chicken23 arguing with himself from post to post, hilarious! Anyway, I feel each season always has been one month (or a max of 30 games), it`s new for me to see a league where each season is this long. Personally I dont`t mind though, I`m not as active as I used to be (damn army), and I don`t think I`d be able to make it 50 games in one month ;o Two month lenght gives me the opportunity to still be able to fight for a playoff-place tho, and also make the limit. I have a fair chance, so I`m motivated even if there are less tus-games placed each day now versa earlier in the season. TUS, anyone?  :D
50/2= 25 its only less 5 game for month that u used play. is that a big diference?
btw hi bard (:
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on February 20, 2010, 09:39 AM
Can anyone tell me why is the current season 60 days long? The last season lasted 45 days, and although it was still a little long, it was awesome how clans fought until the last seconds to grab the PO positions.

And anyway, if the majority voted for 4 weeks long seasons, why isn't it that? I always preferred monthy seasons.
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: zippeurfou on February 20, 2010, 10:15 AM
To be honest I think, we missunderstand the problem.
People don't play playoffs not because of the time. They had time to play 50 games at least (one month season or more) so playing 4 more games is not a big deal for them ;). The real problem and the one where TUS can makes the difference is how motivate people to play playoffs. And since the community isn't that old I think it's all about doing a big show off about the winners. For exemple, write it in big at the home page / Make their nickname gold or special / ...
In Fact something to be able to make someone who doens't know about worms thinking about a playoff winner when he sees him in forum "wohoo he must be leet". Same goes with clan.
And in my opinion the best way to handle it is by changing the avatar of someone who post in forum for exemple :)
Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: Ray on February 20, 2010, 10:41 AM
Well yes, the main problem is people are unaware of the Play-off.

Title: Re: Seasons length
Post by: zippeurfou on February 20, 2010, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Ray on February 20, 2010, 10:41 AM


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I like the movie idea a lot. Someone in charge making a movie from all his game season for everywinner and then put it in the home page would be fantastic and certainly solve the problem :).
But finding someone who want to make everyend of season and doing it a movie will be the hardest part :p