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[TheKomodo]

In all seriousness.

Howcome in normal clan league games, 2 clans could play say, 4 games in a row, all same scheme if they so choose...

But in playoffs - it has to be all-round...

I know it's an all-round league, but theres a flaw there, especially cuz you can do same scheme for normal games, just not playoffs, Just like, it's unfair because I am so good at BnG, I will always have an all-round win ratio of at least 65% because 50% of games are BnG, and I always win around 15% of other games, which would make it so I can get playoffs easy - this is unfair, but more to the point, kind of stupid, because if you think about it I won't really have a chance against the best players all round, well I might i'm at least average in every scheme and pretty strong at Roper/TTRR when I have good mentality, but I think you know what I mean...

[Rok]

In all seriousness.

Howcome in normal clan league games, 2 clans could play say, 4 games in a row, all same scheme if they so choose...

But in playoffs - it has to be all-round...

Because...

...it's an all-round league...

... it's unfair because I am so good at BnG, I will always have an all-round win ratio of at least 65% because 50% of games are BnG, and I always win around 15% of other games, which would make it so I can get playoffs easy - this is unfair, but more to the point, kind of stupid, because if you think about it I won't really have a chance against the best players all round, well I might i'm at least average in every scheme and pretty strong at Roper/TTRR when I have good mentality, but I think you know what I mean...

Let's make a summary of your season:

Out of 200 games played 100 were bngs. You won 99 and lost 1. You gained 1138 points in bng games.
In other 100 games you scored 63 wins and 37 loses and gained 1166 points, which is pretty good.

Now let's assume a similar situation in next season. You play 100 bngs, but this time you'll get like 200 points at most.
Add around 1000 from another 100 games of other schemes, and you'll be at 2200 seasonal score, not 3300 as now.
You can see it won't be as easy to enter playoffs with 50% of bngs as you might think. You can still qualify by overall rating, which would be around 4500 at that point. Right, it's an all round league.
Do you still think it's unfair?

You say it's stupid, because you won't have a chance against all-round players. You will, because of high overall rating and because you're actually a good allround player, no matter how you emphasize your bng awesomness   If however, you'd still find yourself not having a chance against allrounders, then that'd mean you're simply not good enough, right? That's not stupid, that's fair.

[TheKomodo]

In all seriousness.

Howcome in normal clan league games, 2 clans could play say, 4 games in a row, all same scheme if they so choose...

But in playoffs - it has to be all-round...

Because...

...it's an all-round league...

Lol you missed my point I obviously KNOW this for playoffs, but why let singles/clanners pick same scheme twice in qualifying games?

What I mean is, for my 1st season, and anyone else that is obviously better in 1 scheme than any other, it is unfair to reach playoffs, what I actually mean is, because I win so many BnG's I more or less have no chance to lose 2/2 games, kind of saving points lost if you wish, so when I win 2/2 it's always better.

If you understand?

[Rok]

What I mean is, for my 1st season, and anyone else that is obviously better in 1 scheme than any other, it is unfair to reach playoffs, what I actually mean is, because I win so many BnG's I more or less have no chance to lose 2/2 games, kind of saving points lost if you wish, so when I win 2/2 it's always better.

If you understand?

I understand your point, which is btw isn't correct. Thing is, bng games won't "kind of save your points lost" anymore now when your rating got so high. You obviously don't understand my points, especially this one:

...you're actually a good allround player, no matter how you emphasize your bng awesomness 

[DarkOne]

Lol you missed my point I obviously KNOW this for playoffs, but why let singles/clanners pick same scheme twice in qualifying games?

What I mean is, for my 1st season, and anyone else that is obviously better in 1 scheme than any other, it is unfair to reach playoffs, what I actually mean is, because I win so many BnG's I more or less have no chance to lose 2/2 games, kind of saving points lost if you wish, so when I win 2/2 it's always better.

If you understand?

I'd say the reason is that in the qualifying season, you get to play as many games as you like, whereas in playoffs, there's only 5 games maximum.
It's fine if you make it into the playoffs cause of 1 scheme, but getting there with just 1 scheme will (in principle, of course) not be possible a second time and definitely not a third time; a win in BnG will win you less and less points and the occasional loss (it happens apparently! I thought it was just a TUS bug ) will cost you a lot of points.
Losses in other schemes, in essence, will cost you more points than the BnG will gain for you.

You can play BnG all you like, but there are plenty of people/clans who don't want to play BnG, which means you will play other schemes plenty as well (as can be seen with you).
As Rok already pointed out, you clearly are a good allrounder, probably partly because of prodigal BnG skills So in that aspect, you clearly deserve your playoff spot, not just because of BnG.

Basically, this is the longer version of what Rok just posted, but I found it a waste not to post it now

[TheKomodo]

What I mean is, for my 1st season, and anyone else that is obviously better in 1 scheme than any other, it is unfair to reach playoffs, what I actually mean is, because I win so many BnG's I more or less have no chance to lose 2/2 games, kind of saving points lost if you wish, so when I win 2/2 it's always better.

If you understand?

I understand your point, which is btw isn't correct. Thing is, bng games won't "kind of save your points lost" anymore now when your rating got so high. You obviously don't understand my points, especially this one:

...you're actually a good allround player, no matter how you emphasize your bng awesomness 

Nah, what I mean is, If I was to play A roper and a elite, I have a good chance of losing BOTH games, so I'd lose MORE points, while with BnG every time, the chances will always be above 95% I will win at least 1 game, this way, saving some points I could lose with other scheme for example IF I was to be extremely lame, if it wasn't for the fact I just LOVE BnG, I could do the following:

Against all very good all round players, I could always pick BnG, against bad players, I could pick the scheme that gives me most points instead of BnG. (Obviously I don't do this as I pick BnG no matter what anyway cuz I just like it so darn much ! lol)

Now do you understand?

[DarkOne]

Nah, what I mean is, If I was to play A roper and a elite, I have a good chance of losing BOTH games, so I'd lose MORE points, while with BnG every time, the chances will always be above 95% I will win at least 1 game, this way, saving some points I could lose with other scheme for example IF I was to be extremely lame, if it wasn't for the fact I just LOVE BnG, I could do the following:

Against all very good all round players, I could always pick BnG, against bad players, I could pick the scheme that gives me most points instead of BnG. (Obviously I don't do this as I pick BnG no matter what anyway cuz I just like it so darn much ! lol)

Now do you understand?

Lots of people pick their schemes because of how they think their chances are, sir! I wouldn't find you lame or unfair at all if you chose the tactics you described earlier, since it's the manner in which you play those schemes that counts.
And in the playoffs, as mentioned, you can't pick just one scheme

Basically, you're saying it's unfair because you're in a league of your own in BnG, which sounds weird to me.
Why shouldn't you be able to compensate other schemes with your specialisation?

[TheKomodo]

Nah, what I mean is, If I was to play A roper and a elite, I have a good chance of losing BOTH games, so I'd lose MORE points, while with BnG every time, the chances will always be above 95% I will win at least 1 game, this way, saving some points I could lose with other scheme for example IF I was to be extremely lame, if it wasn't for the fact I just LOVE BnG, I could do the following:

Against all very good all round players, I could always pick BnG, against bad players, I could pick the scheme that gives me most points instead of BnG. (Obviously I don't do this as I pick BnG no matter what anyway cuz I just like it so darn much ! lol)

Now do you understand?

Lots of people pick their schemes because of how they think their chances are, sir! I wouldn't find you lame or unfair at all if you chose the tactics you described earlier, since it's the manner in which you play those schemes that counts.
And in the playoffs, as mentioned, you can't pick just one scheme

Basically, you're saying it's unfair because you're in a league of your own in BnG, which sounds weird to me.
Why shouldn't you be able to compensate other schemes with your specialisation?

Kinda it like Free thinks I have "Elite vision" and everyone automatically thinks I have an advantage at Hysteria and Elite with BnG shots lol, but you can easily hide against this.

[Random00]

Sry, but Im too lazy to quote all the stuff I want to refer to ;/

First of all, an ELO rating system is in fact the best system we can have in general.
If we had a system where you get 2 points for a win and -1 for a loss, then players that are very good in 1 scheme just have to play as much as possible and they allways get a PO spot. If you do a limitation on the maximum games per season to prevent this, then you would decrease the overall tus singles activity which would be very bad imo. (Its nice to see how many games Phanton does every season, and I dont see any reason to let him play less games).
The "problem" with the ELO system is, that everyone has a theoretical limit of points he can get if he plays very constant (means: if he wins 90% in every scheme then he wins 9 games, then loses 1 game, then wins 9 games, then  loses 1 game and so on; its a theoretical thing, tough ). You'd always have some little ups and downs depending on your current situation, but everyone has such a limit he will reach when he has played enough games. At this limit every single scheme rating shows his true skill in this scheme compared to every other player in the community.
I guess you will reach this limit when you played like 10,000 games or maybe evene more. But after 300-600 games you can see a trend where your limit as.
I'm not sure how many new players we have each season, but the fact that there come new players has mostly a positive influence on your maximum ranking limit.

What I want to say with all this talking about the limit is, that there is a point where you theoretically do 1000 seasonal points each season and you have simply NO chance to qualify per seasonal rating. The problem now is that the amount of games played by each player is very different and players who didnt play much and are actually good will have an easy qualification for the playoffs.
Sure, if they did good, they deserve to be in Playoffs, but the players that will qualify for playoffs in this way will be worse and worse every new upcoming season.
And then these players will have very low chances to win their first playoff match while a #10 overall player has a bigger chance to beat an overall top5 player.

At the moment, I'd be fine with 10 overall, 6 seasonal or 12 overall, 4 seasonal (prefering the second) if we have 16 po spots and 6 overall, 2seasonal if we have 8 po spots.
But I see a tendency that this maybe needs to be changed again in the future (might be possible that this takes another year or so, and maybe we have a lot of new problems then, who knows? ).

Nah, what I mean is, If I was to play A roper and a elite, I have a good chance of losing BOTH games, so I'd lose MORE points, while with BnG every time, the chances will always be above 95% I will win at least 1 game, this way, saving some points I could lose with other scheme for example IF I was to be extremely lame, if it wasn't for the fact I just LOVE BnG, I could do the following:

Against all very good all round players, I could always pick BnG, against bad players, I could pick the scheme that gives me most points instead of BnG. (Obviously I don't do this as I pick BnG no matter what anyway cuz I just like it so darn much ! lol)

But I guess you cant qualify for PO with this tactics in 3 seasons in a row. It only works when you still get a decent amount of points vs weaker overall players AND you get a decent amount of points for winning your bng matches. But when you reach the point where you win max. 10 points in both, then you wont make more then 1500 seasonal points.
And you already reached this line for your bng games

And sorry for the long post

[DarkOne]

Kinda it like Free thinks I have "Elite vision" and everyone automatically thinks I have an advantage at Hysteria and Elite with BnG shots lol, but you can easily hide against this.

Well, it does help I won't say my BnG shots are in any way impressive, but I can do fairly good shots in hysterias. This makes it easier for me to have a good spot, or to put it another way, it forces my opponents to hide better, making their own shots harder.

Making good shots isn't everything, but it makes the need for tactical placement less necessary

[zippeurfou]

Change the way people rate games please ! .
Also rating while reporting would be nice.