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Start TRL: ZaR Roper season?

Yes
20 (71.4%)
No
8 (28.6%)

Total Members Voted: 28

Voting closed: October 29, 2018, 04:39 PM

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Offline TheKaren

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2018, 09:41 PM »
You guys don't understand how many people are on these servers on a daily basis?  None of you f@#!ers will even play TUS with me, save for a very select few.

I don't want to play a league with schemes that are meaningless to me, I only really enjoy roper, wxw, bng & big rr, so it's stupid to me to take part in an all-round league when the stats don't reflect what I enjoy.

Also, the stats have never reflected everyone's true skill because people can pick and choose who they play and what they play, i've said it before and i'll say it again, Random00 had a ridiculously good record because although I won't deny that he is one of the best all-rounders, if he played other top players in schemes more often he wouldn't have as good a record as he does, although I believe he would still be in the top 10 probably, I am confident he wouldn't appear to be as godlike as he did.

I think the only scheme he is actually a Top 3 player in is Elite and BnG at the time, but unfortunately I didn't get the chance to play him again in BnG even though i'd have loved to.

Stuff like that, ruins the Classic League for me altogether because it became more about carefully picking your matches/schemes than playing every single possible player and rotating your picks every time you play the same person again.

I opted out of PO when I was playing because I thought it's stupid to be in PO when I only cared about BnG, but I did qualify regardless because I won pretty much all my BnG picks and like at least half of my other games, and that's lame...



Singles league is dying and people want TRL tailored to their needs?  This idea seems selfish to me

I don't understand why it's selfish, the same could be said for people who don't want to change anything because they are oldschool/classic players who don't really like any new schemes, you are an exception because you pretty much play anything James, but people like daina, lalo, artic, Sbaffo, Kaleu, Ryan, etc are not interested in anything except the schemes that have been established since forever...

People say schemes like Darts is stupid and not competitive? I had an incredible win ratio at that scheme, MarianRV was becoming godlike at it also, nobody really gave it a chance.

Moleshopper, whether people like to admit it or not, is a highly skilled scheme that is super competitive as well.

People bitching about Hysteria even though certain people proved it's a highly skilled scheme that is extremely competitive and certain players almost never lose.

Aerial seems to be the ONLY recent scheme that people are supporting, I don't think it's because it's a good scheme, which it is, it's more to do with WHO represents that scheme.

I am not the most popular person in this game, so anything I promote mostly gets rejected, but when you have people like walrus, who everybody loves, supporting Aerial, people fall in line sooner than later.

This league is way more about psychology, than skill/competition, it always has been and always will be.

Offline TheWalrus

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 09:45 PM »
You guys don't understand how many people are on these servers on a daily basis?  None of you f@#!ers will even play TUS with me, save for a very select few.  We can barely support 1 league, once we had active TUS/TRL/TEL/FREE all at the same time.  Now we have 0 active leagues, and you want to divide that activity?  If I thought there would even be a single player or old player coming back to play that would put in 50 GP into the TRL, I could support it.  Unfortunately, it's not happening, Kradie's grip far outreaches his grasp.  I think it is more about ZaR prestige than actually playing singles in a TRL.

Singles league is dying and people want TRL tailored to their needs?  This idea seems selfish to me, just ACTUALLY play some ZaR in regular TUS, its been an option for ages if both agree yet literally no one plays it.  I'm tired of these additional league and TRL ideas, these aren't real solutions to the problem of activity, they just go in the opposite direction.

For the record, I hope you guys prove me wrong, maybe it can be a success, but I doubt it.  I won't be supporting this league at all, but will look forward to TUS singles ZaR if anyone wants to pick it with me, im not opposed.  I won't support 3 leagues at all when I literally have been the only one playing any sort of singles this past week.  This site is completely dead and this is an asinine idea.  Actually play singles, ZaR people, and I might believe you, right now I don't think anyone will be playing.

If I was MI, I would tell you to prove it.  Play ZaR singles and prove you have enough activity to necessitate another league before you are arbitrarily handed a new league.  The more I think about this idea the more I think about how stupid it is.

If anything, we should be subtracting a league.

At least I don't need money to motivate me to have fun. Of course it is nothing bad about that, and I wouldn't mind it, but it is not a requirement for me. I play mostly for fun, and to have ZaR in the league, would be another level of fun, because it would be competitive in my opinion.

Many people do actually enjoy ZaR, not just me alone, and certainly not just the members of the community. I have read many of you have said that you like ZaR, so if you like something, you could be more passionate about it. Though you could argue that not everything goes hand in hand and shouldn't belong there. But then again, we would be comparing Roper and ZaR again, which is done to death by now, and everyone have their thoughts and feelings about that.

I might seem selfish, but I am pushing for something I am passionate about, and I am sure some of you can relate to that. ZaR is prestige scheme indeed, I am proud of the members, happy with the games and times spent with everyone partaking. Some members have even come to me and said ''Kradie, I voted no for ZaR in main league''. I was cool with that, because we are friends and we enjoy ZaR together.
You missed the whole point of my post, then launched haphazardly into a flawed straw man argument, where you confusingly equated a cash prize with not liking to play the game for fun, and how you can at least 'play for fun.'  What exactly did you think I was doing all these years slapping at my keyboard?  You thought I was doing it for the big cash prizes?

Offline Kradie

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2018, 10:31 PM »
An necessarily argument none the less.

 In general, money can motivate people.
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Offline spleen17

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2018, 12:09 PM »
So is this enough votes to start or will we wait for the end of the poll? :)

Offline MonkeyIsland

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2018, 07:31 AM »
Yes we'll start TRL ZaR.
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Offline Chicken23

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2018, 02:34 PM »
Why why don’t we let ZaR roper be picked in classic if both players agree? Just like someone could pick unanched bng if both agree? This way we don’t split activity across multiple leagues?

Offline TheKaren

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2018, 03:29 PM »
Why why don’t we let ZaR roper be picked in classic if both players agree? Just like someone could pick unanched bng if both agree? This way we don’t split activity across multiple leagues?

You can.

But this whole thing is about trying to replace Classic schemes, since they are old and boring, and the only people who really wanna play them, are old people :D

Offline lalo

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2018, 04:28 PM »
But that old people have played most of the games here and dominated the league for a decade.
But wait, if zar is added we will see a new golden decade since their fans are super competitive and played a huge amount of league games throughout the years of tus existence... right?
Zar can be played if both players agree. You have the opportunity to show its relevance playing it as much as you want and prove some people wrong.
What else do you need?

Offline TheKaren

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2018, 05:29 PM »
But that old people have played most of the games here and dominated the league for a decade.

Exactly lol... Old people who have been playing the same thing for a decade dominate the league and nobody else has a chance unless they dedicate like, literally years to learning all schemes, and this is something newcomers simply refuse to do because they discovered the game far too late and don't see the point mastering such schemes for pretty much nothing...

Forget about ZaR for a moment, what we need is something fresh, something simple and hassle free.


Offline Chicken23

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2018, 07:55 PM »
Why why don’t we let ZaR roper be picked in classic if both players agree? Just like someone could pick unanched bng if both agree? This way we don’t split activity across multiple leagues?

You can.

But this whole thing is about trying to replace Classic schemes, since they are old and boring, and the only people who really wanna play them, are old people :D

If this was the case then the majority of roper games in classic would be zar roper, but they arn't.

Offline Chicken23

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2018, 08:00 PM »
Zar can be played if both players agree. You have the opportunity to show its relevance playing it as much as you want and prove some people wrong.
What else do you need?

Exactly.

No one is playing zar is classic league, even though they can. Whats the point in zar roper being TRL where 5 players decide to play when currently tus classic needs more players.

why don't the zar ropers just play in classic and when someone agrees report it in tus classic and join the larger league?

activity is too low to spread the competitive games on WN across more than classic and free league.. making classic more open and flexible is the best way in my opinon to have a more open and attractive league to today's worms community, which is a grow of players who are spoilt for choice with so many scheme variations!

ps. tus classic is doing nicely in terms of singles play at the moment but just by a smaller group of players, hopefully that will encourage new players to be interested and older players to consider trying their luck and being less rusty.

Offline TheKaren

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2018, 09:45 PM »
No one is playing zar is classic league, even though they can. Whats the point in zar roper being TRL where 5 players decide to play when currently tus classic needs more players.

why don't the zar ropers just play in classic and when someone agrees report it in tus classic and join the larger league?

How many times does this have to be said.... *sigh*

Classic League is an all-round league, for all-round players, there are many players who do not wish to sit through a scheme they don't like, just to play a scheme they do like. So even trying to find that ONE scheme to play competitively is hard. At least when TRL is active, it boosts activity and interest.

Also, with the ELO rating system and activity on WA, it's impossible to reach the top of the standings playing just 1 scheme, so what is the point in playing said league if you don't even get to see your progress in the main standings, and yes, we know you can look at individual scheme standings, but nobody really cares about those and hardly anyone even checks them as much as the actual league.

At least people who play TRL, check TRL, and everybody who enjoys the current scheme for TRL appreciate it so you know the competition will be good and it's against players who actually want to play it, rather than be forced to play it because it's your pick.

To put it simply, we don't want to contribute to main league activity because it's irrelevant to a lot of people and doesn't reflect what they enjoy.

It's got so bad, that it's extremely hard to convince people to visit this website with enough interest to navigate through the hellish complexity.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 09:48 PM by TheKomodo »

Offline spleen17

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2018, 12:00 PM »
But that old people have played most of the games here and dominated the league for a decade.
But wait, if zar is added we will see a new golden decade since their fans are super competitive and played a huge amount of league games throughout the years of tus existence... right?
Zar can be played if both players agree. You have the opportunity to show its relevance playing it as much as you want and prove some people wrong.
What else do you need?

By this argument you could just play any scheme you like and report it in classic...

If you want us playing the games in classic league then we at least need to add ZaR as an official scheme so that its stats / ladder can be separate from roper. But as Komo says, this is still not as fun for most players as a single-scheme TRL season.

Offline spleen17

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2018, 04:36 PM »
So may we start MI? :)

Offline TheKaren

Re: TRL: ZaR Roper?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2018, 06:09 PM »
Maybe start 1st next month?