Covid-19 Vaccine

[Kradie]

of course you are Kradie. You have freedom or choice and speech.

Just like everyone has a choice to take the vaccine.

I'm really struggling to see the link you are trying to make between a vaccine that can save lives, and governments control on liberty. They are two totally different things and not linked in anyway form whatever.

You believe global governments are scaring everyone into taking a vaccine that will cause them harm?

I understand that you having a difficult time to understand my viewpoint. So let me try break it down.

I am not just believing that the governments are trying to scare us into taking the vaccine, it is more sinister than that.

If you want your people to follow you, you will need an alibi, in our case it is Covid-19. As serious as this virus is, it works as a tool for the government to control their citizen. So what better way is to control people with? It is fear & propaganda, one of the main ingredient for people to conform to. It is only natural that a citizen wants to be protected, protection against diseases & deaths.  Again, listen carefully to what I say now, I am not dismissing the seriousness of this virus, but I am not disputing the alternative factors that the number of cases and deaths can be fixed to further indoctrination of people.

Let's go back a bit to early days of the virus and gradually come back to now. Virus comes & governments ''suggests'' to their citizens to wear masks and safe distance themselves from one another. That sounds good in practice right? You feel like you are part of a collective doing good? Because we human want to feel part of the greater good right? As time marches on, we see changes in our society, pavements are marked where to go, warning signs on the wall instructing us what to do, & plexiglass in shops and businesses. Humans allow themselves to further be indoctrinated by fear because it is all in the name of solidarity.

Second wave hits (Which I talked about MONTHS ago), more of our liberty is restricted but by then human are easier to bossed around in the name of survival. We hear talk about health passport, health app & vaccine, all which is optional or in development. There are already installed health checkpoints, where people are examined before being allowed to travel. People have already been harassed by the flight attendants on planes for not wearing a mask while they were eating their food. There's been many instances of this, where people resist and people who conform in the name of fear and ignorance.

Third wave is announced, we have heard already that humanity is going back to normal long before, but the date seem to get pushed back more and more. The vaccine against the virus is likely not to be the LAST and final vaccine. THIS is the new normal we we will hear about new vaccines yearly, I am sure of it, and you will need documentation that you've taken it if you want some of your liberty.

So during all of this, people have lost their jobs, lost their businesses, and now they rely on the government to get payed. Many which resort to substance abuse, and suicide. Their very meaning as human was stripped away from them in name of solidarity.

So why wouldn't governments around the world go back to the normal? Because it is not profitable. Why end wars? Why end terrorism? It is not profitable, fear drives it, and Covid-19 is pinnacle of profitability. CCP, WHO, EU, Globalists, Green activists, Big Tech, MSM, & Vaccine Companies, they are the real winners, while we run around as their guinea pigs. The Media, the driving force of the narrative, instructed by the overlords, and once you hear an alternate voice E,g by me, you laugh, & dismiss it. This is how they control us and want you to behave.

I said before, I don't want to be right, because the world we live in now 2020 has been shit. When I hear people embraces strict lockdown and curfew, that scares the shit out of me. 

Agenda 2030, enough said.

[philie]

This is the whole social dilemma of COVID and the decisions that governments decide to take. Look at Sweden with no lockdown, vs Norway, Denmark and Finland. The deaths per capita in Sweden is one of the highest due to COVID.

i like the sweden thing.
the "massive" death rate there is one thing our media tries to tell us, cause swedens way of dealing with the virus doesn't fit to other countries concepts.
but take a look:

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=sw&v=26&l=en

hm, pretty much like evey year in sweden. also pretty low compared to 20 years ago.

i now a better way of getting rid of the virus than the vaccine:
turn off tv, don't read newspapers.
dont get fooled by our manipulative fear-inducing media world.
as soon as this virus gets outta ppls heads, it can get back what it actually is (i'm exaggerating here, cause all about this virus is exaggerated):
a common cold.

[Squirminator2k]

I have watched friends lose parents, husbands, brother and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and children to this illness. f@#! you for downplaying the severity of it. People like you are the reason we're still trying to tackle it, because of selfish pricks like you.

I hope you get this damned disease so you can see just how unlike a cold it truly is.

[Chicken23]

So why wouldn't governments around the world go back to the normal? Because it is not profitable. Why end wars? Why end terrorism? It is not profitable, fear drives it, and Covid-19 is pinnacle of profitability. CCP, WHO, EU, Globalists, Green activists, Big Tech, MSM, & Vaccine Companies, they are the real winners, while we run around as their guinea pigs. The Media, the driving force of the narrative, instructed by the overlords, and once you hear an alternate voice E,g by me, you laugh, & dismiss it. This is how they control us and want you to behave.

this is totally incorrect. The governments want their countries to be profitable and for the economy to boom. Money is the biggest driver and hopefully one day we'll stop focusing on profit (look at some of the economic beliefs of David Attenborough about sustainable economic models). The only reason why some western governments have not gone full lockdown is because of the economy. This is the political debate between conservative and more socialist parties, that governments who are conservative want fewer restrictions so the economy isn't badly impacted. COVID is causing huge economic recessions and governments are paying out of their pockets to bail out businesses and individuals, it is not in their interest to impose restrictions because they aren't gaining any profit from it that you claim they want.

If your argument is about control and governments restricting liberty as we prepare for the new normal, what is the motive behind this assuming I've convenience you its not a monetary motive?

Also, the countries which have the highest death toll and the ones which have imposed the least restrictions. Asia has dealt with the virus so well because they are so authoritarian. New Zealand had one of the strictest lockdowns and took advantage of being an island nation. Countries like Singapore and Taiwan which are so densely populated have been strict and protected lives and done the best, and now their economics are in a much better place because they live with very few restrictions.

The problem with COVID is that for most people it is symptomless and won't be deadly, but for others, it's a nail in the coffin. Like I said in an earlier post, it's not as easy as giving people the freedom to take their own risks, because its on thing imposing restrictions on things that damage yourself, like drugs are illegal when perhaps they shouldn't be in a pure liberty sense, but with covid, giving you freedom won't just put yourself in danger, it puts others in danger... Now the argument there is educating people on the dangers of covid and letting people choose if they want to venture out and risk close contact. I know people that have lived normally since the virus, going for meals out, the gym, they really don't care and are risk-averse, I know other people that wash everything down from the mail order supermarket and won't see a single other person and locked themselves away. You are right that the vaccine is one of many, this is a coronavius, the same as a common cold.

The biggest thing in society is accepting everyone is different, but being tolerant of those differences, I'm not sitting here and telling you that you can't have an opinion on this. But I can tell you I disagree with you, just as much as you disagree with me

[nino]

Nice Post Frango23 if i could i would kiss your mouth!!! ops nope!! cos covid!!

But anyways all u wrote is true, iam an exemple of symptomless.

It is not about freedom it is about saving lifes, if you want smell cocain from the ass till die i give you all suport i can even buy you cocain cos thats your life ONLY then f@#! off you wanna die.

But be a Rebel Wanna be like Kancier who wants to get covid and pass too his and others grampas it too much.

[biscojoe]

if we get the covid vaccine... do we still have to wear a mask? how will they know who got the shot or not? will masks go away just cause the vaccine is out? that would be lovely. lol

on a more serious note... i'll wait and see but i will most likely be getting it... i get flu shots every year so.. i know that's diff but yea... xbox series x for life

[Squirminator2k]

I'll still be wearing a mask when I go out, probably for the rest of my life. This entire pandemic has taught just how little other people seem to care, both about their own hygiene and how their actions affect others. As an immuno-compromised adult, I can't risk it anymore.

[skunk3]

I will only get vaccinated if there are reputable, long term studies showing that it is both safe and effective. I've seen what is in the vaccine and for now I say no thanks! I don't want some mystery vaccine f@#!ing up my DNA. The flu vaccine is just about worthless as far as I'm concerned. I've taken it twice and got sick both times afterwards.

I don't know a good solution to all of this. I hate masks, hate lockdown, and want to go back to normal life. I do think that Covid is a real and serious issue but I also do think that the media scare is overblown and it's not as deadly as they are making it out to be. I fear for the economic security of my own city and nation because this pandemic is destroying local businesses at record rates. I consider myself blessed that I have a job and have worked through the entire ordeal without having to go on unemployment.

I try not to buy into the conspiracy side of this situation too much but it's hard not to think about tbh. I also say that China f@#!ing sucks and is obviously behind all of this. It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.

I will also say this: I do not know 100% for sure but I feel like my lungs are kinda f@#!ed up since getting covid.

[TheKomodo]

It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.

Since it's a "fact", can you share evidence of this? Otherwise it is merely a personal opinion of yours.

I'm not saying you are wrong, and i'm not saying you are right, I do my own research and have my own beliefs, but usually when people make bold statements like that, at least with issues that affect the entire world, they tend to try and back it up with something credible.

[TheWalrus]

This thread is an interesting case study to me, how paranoia causes a constant fear of new things and government, no matter the situation.  In the absence of proof, there is supposition presented as fact.  I think there is a bit of mental illness going on here too.  This is great stuff for my school dissertation.  Keep it coming, conspiracists!

[Kradie]

More for SJW Walrus to study
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EU5b9cR4BE6D/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rMGBWjevEBwr/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Hmxo720ccw4V/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lKCTkLJbtT4/

[Squirminator2k]

Current prevailing theories is that COVID-19 actually originated in either India or, haha, Los Angeles. China is just the first country to identify it as a new virus.

[angus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQZYEQIOq_g

WHat about this?

[skunk3]

It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.

Since it's a "fact", can you share evidence of this? Otherwise it is merely a personal opinion of yours.

I'm not saying you are wrong, and i'm not saying you are right, I do my own research and have my own beliefs, but usually when people make bold statements like that, at least with issues that affect the entire world, they tend to try and back it up with something credible.

There's numerous scientists around the world who have analyzed the virus and shown clear evidence of insertions, deletions, and manipulation of the DNA. According to them there's no way it is naturally-occurring. I don't exactly have links bookmarked for ease of sharing but it's out there if you care to look. There's also the testimony of that female scientist who was working at the lab in Wuhan, and that's pretty damning. The problem when it comes to offering any sort of statement about shit like this is someone invariably always asks for proof, and as I said before, I don't keep a folder on my computer full of proof, or a folder of links in my bookmarks to pull out anytime someone challenges me.

It always cracks me up when people offhandedly dismiss anything that doesn't fit the media narrative as 'conspiracy theory' when time and time again things turn out to be real. It's like... how many times do conspiracy theories need to be proven true before people start distrusting the media and the government? People think Alex Jones is a kook (and he kinda is lol) but he's also been 100% right on the money when it comes to several things over the years. That's a more extreme example of a public figure but suffice it to say that conspiracy theory has turned out to be conspiracy fact so many times that it's hard not to believe a lot of astonishing things, especially when the sources happen to be extremely reputable, and especially when you actually learn the history of how and why information is occult, compartmentalized, and disseminated.

The problem with topics like this is that we all kinda do our own 'homework' (so to speak) but unless we take the time to actually collate and present the information (with sources) in an informative and easy-to-follow way, people are naturally going to assume that the other person is full of shit because of cognitive dissonance. That's just how it works. Trying to convince anyone of anything is almost impossible, especially adults. Basically, unless you can bust out a Powerpoint presentation any time the need arises, you might as well just not even bother because people who have studied the subject far less than you for far less time than you are going to laugh and call you ignorant or crazy.

If you actually trust the media and the government (or even think that the 'government' are who actually run the show), you're asleep.

[TheKomodo]

So the answer is no, you won't provide anything credible.

Thanks for confirming.