The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Other Things => Off Topic => Topic started by: Aladdin on July 22, 2019, 01:11 AM
-
The universe is very large. Very, very, very large indeed. It has a lot of planets in it. Our technological prowess is not even close to sufficient for getting out there to directly inspect any of those other planets (we haven’t even been to Mars in person yet), but we can tell the planets exist. It therefore seems rather likely that, among the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets (count ‘em) in the observable universe, and an unknowable number beyond, there is at least one other with a significant biosphere, with complicated native organisms. Where there are complicated organisms, there is the potential for personhood to be achieved, though not necessarily in a form we’d readily recognize or find comforting to meet.
As my credential for this topic mentions, I don’t believe that aliens are lurking in our midst or any such thing; UFOs are not credible in my eyes, never have been. But it’s really quite a bizarre idea that, in all the planets out there that could, none of them have or one day will have life on them. There’s just so many, and our own existence proves that life is possible. And our sapience proves that sapience is possible.
Meeting any aliens is another matter. I’m kind of hoping that some sort of FTL method will be developed at some point in history, though I would be surprised if that were possible at all and absolutely flabbergasted if it were figured out within my own lifetime. It would probably permanently blow my mind. Maybe we’ll figure out cryogenics instead, that sounds more plausible.
-
It therefore seems rather likely that, among the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets (count ‘em) in the observable universe, and an unknowable number beyond, there is at least one other with a significant biosphere, with complicated native organisms.
I second this, I don't think we're that unique and important as we think we are. :D
Maybe we’ll figure out cryogenics instead, that sounds more plausible.
I'm afraid the consciousness might not survive even at cryogenic state, so if you do wake up, that's not going to be the real you anymore.
-
The universe is very large. Very, very, very large indeed. It has a lot of planets in it. Our technological prowess is not even close to sufficient for getting out there to directly inspect any of those other planets (we haven’t even been to Mars in person yet), but we can tell the planets exist. It therefore seems rather likely that, among the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets (count ‘em) in the observable universe, and an unknowable number beyond, there is at least one other with a significant biosphere, with complicated native organisms. Where there are complicated organisms, there is the potential for personhood to be achieved, though not necessarily in a form we’d readily recognize or find comforting to meet.
As my credential for this topic mentions, I don’t believe that aliens are lurking in our midst or any such thing; UFOs are not credible in my eyes, never have been. But it’s really quite a bizarre idea that, in all the planets out there that could, none of them have or one day will have life on them. There’s just so many, and our own existence proves that life is possible. And our sapience proves that sapience is possible.
Meeting any aliens is another matter. I’m kind of hoping that some sort of FTL method will be developed at some point in history, though I would be surprised if that were possible at all and absolutely flabbergasted if it were figured out within my own lifetime. It would probably permanently blow my mind. Maybe we’ll figure out cryogenics instead, that sounds more plausible.
Well, the Naruto Runners to Area 51 might find that out for themselves.
As for me, I feel like aliens exist.
-
That's the Fermi Paradox for ya.
There are trillions of stars, billions of which are like our sun, millions of those should have earth like planets orbiting them. Many of those will be millions of years older than our planet. If pretty much any of those Earth like planets that are millions of years older than us took a turn that allowed life similar to humans (in terms of development of tools and the ability to think) to evolve then by now we should see literally any kind of sign of them. I mean, Homo Sapiens emerged 300.000 years ago and look how drastically we changed as a species since then. Now think a species like that with millions of years of head start.
The distances are pretty vast for sure, but the Milky Way is only 100,000 light years across. If they developed millions of years before us, even traveling at slower than light speed that's still plenty of time to make sizable footprint in the galaxy. One that, even if they didn't come to our little corner of the Galaxy physically, would probably give off other signs of its existence like communication signals which we could detect.
And yet, we don't see signs of such species, living or dead. Hence the paradox.
-
YEs!
-
Believe? No. Likely? Yes.
-
The distances are pretty vast for sure, but the Milky Way is only 100,000 light years across. If they developed millions of years before us, even traveling at slower than light speed that's still plenty of time to make sizable footprint in the galaxy. One that, even if they didn't come to our little corner of the Galaxy physically, would probably give off other signs of its existence like communication signals which we could detect.
I believe there is a smarter life than ours. But I also believe that they cannot travel faster than the speed of light. So spending hundreds or thousands of years traveling would not be cool. Even if the person travels 20 years at the speed of light, in return to their civilization may no longer exist.
-
You ppl getting really bored..
-
*insert an area 51 joke here*
-
I'm confident enough to say I believe with 100% certainty that there has been and definitely will be life in the universe outside Earth, on what scale though, nobody knows.
The mere facts of how our planet formed and how we evolved are evidence enough for me.
Sci-fi and space/the possibility of life, and alien films/games are the most fascinating subjects for me in life, I enjoy reading new articles published in the science/space communities about new research, new theories.
I can't begin to explain how fascinated I am about Breakthrough Starshot:
I've been on/off writing a sci-fi, space/alien themed story for many years, it's based on a few interesting things:
The old gods - Zeus(the captain), and others Ares, Apollo, Hades, Poseidon, Athena, Aphrodite, Hera etc.
It's based on an idea when I read an article saying the 1st humans who could possibly live to be over 1000 years old are being born in this century, with anti aging techniques.
So I combined those ideas, the basic plot is, the old gods really did exist, they were from another galaxy many light-years away(I can't say far far away lol).
While scouting our solar system they suffered a disaster and had to crash land on our planet, and with their advanced technology and anti-aging techniques living for thousands of years(genetic enhancements etc), they were worshipped as gods, and it ties in with a lot of real history we know today in reality outside of the story.
I won't really say more about it yet, but every now and again I get inspiration to write more.
"It doesn't matter who you are or what you do, there will always be haters, so do what you love, and have fun doing it, the right people will come along"
So anyone who says this is boring, whoop-dee-f@#!ing-doo :P
-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter)
-
I'm afraid the consciousness might not survive even at cryogenic state, so if you do wake up, that's not going to be the real you anymore.
there are no scientifical reasons to make brain cryogenics (without destroying its structure) impossible. and once the structure is saved, it'll be the real you.
real means if you die now, you'll actually wake up after cryogenics (which is fundamentaly different from WBE, where you die, and then your clone wakes up, while you're still dead)
-
im going to be attending storm area 51, only a few hours away :)
-
im going to be attending storm area 51, only a few hours away :)
See if you can get a group photo with Chuck Norris, Keanu Reeves, and the rest :)
-
Tobias has been "pleasured" by aliens so ofc they exist
-
I believe there is a smarter life than ours. But I also believe that they cannot travel faster than the speed of light. So spending hundreds or thousands of years traveling would not be cool. Even if the person travels 20 years at the speed of light, in return to their civilization may no longer exist.
That last point is a good one. This article (https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2010/03/10/habitable-planets-working-the-odds/) suggests there are 50 million potentially habitable planets in our galaxy. But another advanced civilisation is probably at least as unlikely as winning a lottery, so maybe there's only one other in the whole galaxy. We're not on the edge of the galaxy, so they might be 50,000 light years away. Thanks to time dilation, they wouldn't necessarily spend that long travelling. Eg. if they travel at 99.9% the speed of light, it'd take them more like 1,600 years from their point of view. But in the meantime, their home planet does age 50,000 years so it'd be a really weird investment to make. More likely they've colonised planets within 50 light years and it just gets exponentially more difficult to go further from there.
Meanwhile, most of their species have transferred their consciousness to a virtual simulation of eternal digital pleasure.
-
Extraterrestrial life IMO absolutely exists and so many ancient religious texts around the world blatantly talk about spaceships, 'gods,' technology, advanced weapons, etc. I'm in the camp that believes that human beings are the result of genetic engineering and not pure evolution. I also think that human civilization on this planet is far older than 6,000-7,000 years but unfortunately mainstream archaeology/history largely refuses to acknowledge newer findings that indicate that what we know is largely incomplete and/or just plain wrong. Anyone who is into learning about old megalithic structures would agree that it's highly damn unlikely that a bunch of humans thousands and thousands of years ago erected these sites/structures without some sort of help, especially quarrying and fashioning stones that were harder than tools available to them at the time that are cut so perfectly that you can't even slide a credit card between them... not to mention the fact that many of them are so heavy that even with modern machinery it would be nearly impossible to move some of them.
-
Anyone who is into learning about old megalithic structures would agree that it's highly damn unlikely that a bunch of humans thousands and thousands of years ago erected these sites/structures without some sort of help.
I believe it's possible either way, we possibly did do it alone(as in, just beings of this planet), or we possibly got help from an 'outside source'.
I ask the same thing when it comes to this, as I did in the 'god creates the universe' scenario - If god made us, what made god, and what made the thing that made god, and what made that etc...
So, if we need help, then they need help, then the things that helped them need help etc...
Somebody had to learn this stuff from scratch, why not us?
It's an interesting concept to think about either way :)
-
Extraterrestrial life IMO absolutely exists and so many ancient religious texts around the world blatantly talk about spaceships, 'gods,' technology, advanced weapons, etc. I'm in the camp that believes that human beings are the result of genetic engineering and not pure evolution. I also think that human civilization on this planet is far older than 6,000-7,000 years but unfortunately mainstream archaeology/history largely refuses to acknowledge newer findings that indicate that what we know is largely incomplete and/or just plain wrong. Anyone who is into learning about old megalithic structures would agree that it's highly damn unlikely that a bunch of humans thousands and thousands of years ago erected these sites/structures without some sort of help, especially quarrying and fashioning stones that were harder than tools available to them at the time that are cut so perfectly that you can't even slide a credit card between them... not to mention the fact that many of them are so heavy that even with modern machinery it would be nearly impossible to move some of them.
I have read some of these books as well.
The older I get the more I think of it as absolute bogus.
We have a clear timeline as is, in which everything fits. From simple life to advanced civilization, it all takes place in steps. There's no indication of a clear cut in history, a specific year or very short period in time in which civilization suddenly takes a hundred steps at once.. It's all very gradual.
Building shit with big boulders is also very primitive. It's far easier to do than building with small bricks, particularly because they had no cement and shit. The only way to build bigger things, than simple huts, was by using stones, preferably BIG stones.
Would aliens use these massive rocks to build things for them? I think not. They'd probably use steel and iron like we do nowadays, or some other alien technology. But it's really just big stones. Stones that have been collected at random: big and small, all oddly shaped.. surely us moderners and aliens alike would cut all these stones neatly into the same practical shape (completely square).
Considering that building with huge boulders is all they did.. they probably had better ways of handling them than we do today. We have grown so accustomed to machines that we wouldn't know how to take on such a massive task with our bare hands. Much like we also have 'un-learned' advanced hunting techniques.
And all that besides, there are only few places that have really nicely cut building blocks. Most of Europe's stone age monuments are nothing more than these boulders placed upright.. or in really really simple constructions, like this:
(https://historiek.net/wp-content/uploads-phistor1/2017/08/Hunebed-in-Drenthe-cc.jpeg)
That's about the most advanced building that was made with big rocks in the northern parts of Europe. If aliens did that... it must have been the ones in the first grade of the special needs class. :-X
-
We don't have a clear timeline though. The timeline is blurry at best and falls apart at worst. My point is that there are clearly man-made structures on this planet that are far older than the beginning of 'history' as the mainstream knows it, like twice as old or more!
Also, I am not talking about primitive constructions made out of bolders. I am talking about very intricately-aligned, well-thought-out buildings that are made of precisely-quarried stones that fit together like Lego bricks, sites that align perfectly to stars and celestial patterns/processions... and in many of these places we are talking about stones that are so many tons in weight that it's mind-boggling, not to mention the further mystery that comes from the fact that in some of these sites they use types of stone that aren't even close to the place of erection. They had to somehow transport these impossibly heavy stones vast distances in many cases.
Also, people have been using mortar of sorts for a long time. Of course they didn't have cement but they had equivalents.
-
[oops double post]
-
But another advanced civilisation is probably at least as unlikely as winning a lottery, so maybe there's only one other in the whole galaxy.
(...)
Meanwhile, most of their species have transferred their consciousness to a virtual simulation of eternal digital pleasure.
Aaand that's basically why I believe there is other intelligent life forms in the universe. Sure Earth is a statistical rarity, with all these subtles conditions needed in order to sustain life. But the universe bought a LOT of lottery tickets :) I think it's a matter of time (and a bit of luck) before we meet another sentient species, if none of these conspiracy theories are true. If we're to be the visitors, it'll be a while. Now, what is time and what was before it? My brain hurts a bit when I think about that concept.
Virtual simulation of eternal digital pleasure? Sign me up!