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Offline TheKomodo

George Carlin knows the script.
« on: September 04, 2019, 06:08 PM »
 George Carlin talks about the system in America, but it applies to the whole world, and although more people are realizing this, it's a shame more people don't realize it and do something about it:

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“But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control thin
gs and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

Thoughts?

Offline Anubis

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2019, 12:05 PM »
It's not that the people that have a lot of money/possession are evil. In capitalism someone HAS to have more than others that's how it's supposed to work. You sell something for profit to then make even more profit. It's like the average, if someone is above average, someone has to be below average. You can't have one million Michael Jordans, or even thousands of Messis. Everything is in balance, if those people would die for whatever reason then somebody else will take it's place, because it has to be like this with the system we have. What are the alternatives? Communism? I don't think that would end that well either. Maybe we need a system that has a "cap" on profitability. If you own 1 Million worth of property/money, then you are done. You won't need more. Luxuries need to be removed. Nobody needs a 1 million yacht to feel fulfilled. The reason people strive to have so much wealth is because others have so much wealth, it's a infinite race that nobody can win, that's why I think we need a wealth cap to make capitalism less "evil".

Back in WoW Vanilla there used to be a gold cap per character. 214,748 gold 36 silver and 47 copper. That was the maximum amount of gold you could have. There was no point screwing over people anymore on the AH or in Trade. You were done. I think a cap like this would be excellent for the world.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 12:10 PM by Anubis »

Offline HHC

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2019, 12:34 PM »
The world is not a video game Anu. A cap won't work at all cause it's impossible to implement. As it is now people just move their money elsewhere, invest it in material goods, land, property, or even illegal personal loans.

Carlin is right that the current system leads to excesses. But I think he's gone a little overboard with the whole 'rich people's conspiracy against the working sobs'. That rich guy is just like you komo, he's no different, he's just looking after his interests.
And one of his interests is a peaceful society with law abiding citizes. To make that happen you gotta re-distribute the wealth, or at least make sure enough people share in the wealth. That's why the Marxist theory of 'Verellendung' doesn't work.. the system itself may have a tendency to increase the gap between rich and poor, but there's enough reason not to let the poor starve to death.

The vast majority of people now live like landlords did in the 19th century. There has never been a time in history where the poor were better off than they are now.

Offline STRGRN

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2019, 03:23 PM »
Back in WoW Vanilla there used to be a gold cap per character. 214,748 gold 36 silver and 47 copper. That was the maximum amount of gold you could have. There was no point screwing over people anymore on the AH or in Trade. You were done. I think a cap like this would be excellent for the world.

yeah but this doesn't work irl because of economic growth and eventually there would be more wealth in the world than the cap of all people combined

also what hhc said

Offline Anubis

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2019, 04:05 PM »
The world is not a video game Anu. A cap won't work at all cause it's impossible to implement. As it is now people just move their money elsewhere, invest it in material goods, land, property, or even illegal personal loans.

You have to control the greed of humans, obviously people would try to circumvent the cap. People did so in the game as well by creating new characters, it's nothing I didn't consider. Luxuries need to be banned, is there a practical use to have expensive cars or yachts? None at all. Remove incentive to be wealthy. The people want to be wealthy because you can buy something fancy with it and it often (always) also means more power.. If there literally was just basic entertainment and food/shelter there would be no need to earn so much money. And if you want to argue "it creates jobs, luxuries are important", we have plenty of work/jobs available. There is a gigantic part of humanity still starving, bad infrastructure etc. All these useless products for the 1% could be spent on labor that benefit the poor.

The vast majority of people now live like landlords did in the 19th century. There has never been a time in history where the poor were better off than they are now.
Here some facts: Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty.

VAST MAJORITY my ass. Landlords didn't have to worry about food, or having clothes.

I laugh at anyone saying "we are fine". In fact I would spit on them for such a statement in-front of me.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 04:14 PM by Anubis »

Offline MonkeyIsland

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 05:27 PM »
Well vast majority is clearly wrong. Maybe HHC meant vast majority in Netherlands?
Due to massive misunderstandings: MonkeyIsland refers to an island not a monkey. I would be a monkey, if my name was IslandMonkey meaning a monkey who is or lives on an island. MonkeyIsland is an island which is related to monkeys. There's been a legend around saying MonkeyIsland is a game. So please, think of me as an island or a game.

Offline eule

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2019, 07:06 PM »
That's why the Marxist theory of 'Verellendung' doesn't work.. the system itself may have a tendency to increase the gap between rich and poor, but there's enough reason not to let the poor starve to death.

The vast majority of people now live like landlords did in the 19th century. There has never been a time in history where the poor were better off than they are now.

I'm currently reading Capital and i think this theory of "Verehlendung" is really falsely attributed to him, mostly by his opponents.

There are long section where he basically says that one major aspect of making more profits is to lower the time / value that is needed to produce a certain commodity wich leads to the situation that even though more value/capital is going to the capitalists progressively (in short, the rich get richer), at the same time the basic consumption goods needed by the workers to live are getting cheaper. He by no means states that it is a "must" that in capitalism workers are getting less and less.

I can search up the quotes if you're interested

Offline Korydex

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2019, 07:17 PM »
Cheer up: the worst is yet to come. Chipping of population coming soon™!

Offline TheKomodo

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2019, 05:07 AM »
Most people work just hard enough not to get fired, and get paid just enough money not to quit.

Interestingly enough in Robert Kiyosaki's book "Rich Dad Poor Dad", the same basic principle is taught/mentioned, where it's considered normal business practice to pay your staff just enough so they don't quit but pay them as little as you can get away with.

I don't think there is anything wrong with people having luxuries, but I think it's bad that some people live every day with what is considered infinite luxury, especially wasting resources of the planet to fulfil some crazy egotistical self-agenda that doesn't really serve any other purpose than to make them feel good 'just because they can' that only goes to show how rich they are,  while so many billions of other struggle every day to make ends meet, and then those who can't even make ends meet.

I think luxuries that create wonderful moments and memories shared between people are to be encouraged, luxuries that inspire positive emotions and feelings that aren't completely selfish.

Media, government and education don't teach us to think and care about humanity as a whole, we grow up fighting with each other over stupid things, distracted from reality.

Knowledge is power, and if you look at the most poverty stricken places in the world you will notice how uneducated the general population are, and how strict the laws are to keep them uneducated, obedient and useful.

The "rich guy" is nothing like me, and the main difference are "the interests". I won't sit here and say all rich people are evil, that would just be nonsense, and you can deny it all you want but the people who control the most important world resources, like land, energy, communications, don't exactly want to share this equally for our benefit, they allow us to buy it and consume it for their benefit, and they can just as easily prevent us from having access whenever they feel like it.

I would say many people chase being rich because it's intoxicating the feeling of power and control, I see that as a negative thing. I have the utmost respect for rich people who worked hard to achieve what they did, who received help along the way and in turn give back to the community and friends/family that helped them.

There are a lot of beautiful people out there, and I don't mean beautiful looking, rather a beautiful soul.

Let me ask all of you who are interested in this subject to spend a day doing some intense research into why we have birth certificates, which are basically contracts, and tell me what you find and what you believe.

We are still slaves and until every single human being can be free to educate and express themselves in any way they want(without hurting other people, and I mean in a malicious way, not just causing other people to be offended because of their own lack of security and self-belief), we will always be slaves to those who own the world.

Why do you think there are so many depressed people right now? We are told on a daily basis how good our lives are, and yeah, there is no doubt people in modernized countries have better healthcare than the average person did 100 years ago, but better in what way? Because we have medicine to heal us and keep us living longer? Is that such a good thing? Have you ever even thought to consider, it is in their benefit to keep us living longer because we're more useful if we believe we have a good life?

If every single citizen in every country, suddenly wanted to live a healthy diet of fruit and vegetables grown in their own gardens, building their own houses, caring for each other, educating and entertaining each other without charging money, just doing it because it feels good, do you actually think governments would allow that? Even though it's extremely peaceful.

Because i'll tell you something, 100% without doubt, we have the technology & resources to feed, clothe, house, educate, entertain and care for every single soul on this planet, and encourage them to aspire to their individual talents and passions free of cost, but we don't.

Why?
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 05:16 AM by TheKomodo »

Offline HHC

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2019, 06:37 PM »
Well vast majority is clearly wrong. Maybe HHC meant vast majority in Netherlands?

I was speaking particularly about Western Europe.

Compared to third world countries it's a bit more trickier to make such a statement. 19th century landlords didn't have problems buying clothes or food, but their life expectancy was less than it is today in Africa. Which makes it fair to say that their living conditions, and their access to healthcare were less favourable than those of the vast majority of people in the poorest countries in the world.

See attachment.

The greath wealth of the last decades has only lasted for 1 generation. My mother still had to share her bed, had no shower or running water in the house, no proper toilet, no electricity, let alone a car, a tv or a phone. And she grew up in a household that wasn't particularly marked as poor. It was a normal rural household.

Those are all luxuries that even the biggest chavs in England have nowadays, and most of the world population as well.

Offline skunk3

Re: George Carlin knows the script.
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 08:23 AM »
Back to the Carlin quote -

He was on point as per usual and one of the first people I can remember openly talking about 'woke' subject matter and conspiracy theory in comedy. I think that type of stuff is easier to swallow when it's mixed in with jokes because most people would otherwise get uncomfortable and cognitive dissonance would have them checking out of the conversation so they can remain in their little comfy reality bubble, that kind place where beliefs aren't questioned and everything is more or less okay.

I used to care. I used to get so mad thinking about the 'elite' and how we're lied to and manipulated constantly and now I don't fucking care at all. I don't care because I spent so many years trying to 'wake people up' and open their eyes to what is really going on, and that time spent was a complete waste. What I've learned over the years is that most people (and by 'most' I mean the vast majority) do not give a shit about anything that doesn't directly affect their personal, day-to-day lives. They might claim that they do but they are lying. Most people aren't interested in learning anything that they aren't compelled to learn about and even when you can find someone who seems willing to listen, they really just are trying to set you up to 'prove you wrong' by asking you to cite specific evidence and facts that you obviously aren't going to be carrying around in your back pocket, and it doesn't matter what you're talking about because if they call for facts and you can't immediately present them, they have won in their own minds... even though everyone has smart phones these days and can look up virtually anything. They never look up anything though. Never.

This is why I am inclined to let the world burn. This planet needs a giant douche. Everywhere you look it's a bunch of predatory scumbags lording over a bunch of consumeristic sheeple retards. These people can tell you the scores of the most recent games and what happened in that one episode of Game of Thrones but can't provide the names of people in highly important government offices in their own respective countries. It's beyond pathetic. 

As far as the conversation about wealth goes, I do think that a certain level of opulence / extravagance is completely unnecessary yet at the same time I don't think that it is morally right for society to impose some sort of limit on others as to how much wealth they can attain, and what kind of luxury they can have. Unfortunately I can't think of a better economic system than capitalism, but capitalism definitely has its faults. Truth be told, if I were filthy rich I would indulge to the max and probably be a horrible human being. I don't think that money necessarily turns people evil, but I do think that it can lead people to become largely amoral. Conventional morality is for the slave class and doesn't really apply when you have so much money invested here and there that your money passively makes you far more money than someone with a normal job could make, all while you do fucking nothing aside from get your dick sucked by a porn star.
   
« Last Edit: September 10, 2019, 08:26 AM by skunk3 »