Why are you messing with that thread in the b2b forums?
Up until the point where I posted at least, no one said anything offensive, why are you being immature and messing with everyones posts? That isn't why all members of b2b were given rights to edit posts in those forums, I know I am not a part of b2b anymore but seriously, why the hell are you doing that? It's just wrong man what is your problem??
I think it's funny
Personally i think it was a good call, that thread was going nowhere.
Quote from: Mayhem on December 07, 2012, 01:53 AM
Personally i think it was a good call, that thread was going nowhere.
hahahhahhahhahah
I don't see the problem. It's a b2b thread and personally I found it hilarious as well. :D
Fair enough then, you have all became selfish & arrogant.
no
please
Quote from: Komito on December 07, 2012, 08:21 PM
Fair enough then, you have all became selfish & arrogant.
There 2 guys who asked to join b2b in the forums. 1st was just trying to insult us. 2nd one claimed things about himself that appear to be not true.
Also, it's written and known that we don't accept joining requests like that, honestly, I don't understand why people keep trying like that.
And just to be clear: b2b don't *need* new members.
Quote from: Prankster on December 07, 2012, 10:13 PM
Also, it's written and known that we don't accept joining requests like that, honestly, I don't understand why people keep trying like that.
Perhaps a little sticky on the main b2b forum about that would be handy :)
Quote from: DarkOne on December 08, 2012, 01:03 AM
Quote from: Prankster on December 07, 2012, 10:13 PM
Also, it's written and known that we don't accept joining requests like that, honestly, I don't understand why people keep trying like that.
Perhaps a little sticky on the main b2b forum about that would be handy :)
Naaah, sticks ain't a foolproof..
Would be handy indeed, but it has nothing to do with..
Man i like green, that guy is a funny bastard, I've only played with him a couple of times but he's the man. I enjoy your whole crew actually, maybe im just full of joy today, but i dream of the day where FoS and b2b will get together and hug it out. Who wants hugs? :-*
Quote from: Prankster on December 07, 2012, 10:13 PM
Quote from: Komito on December 07, 2012, 08:21 PM
Fair enough then, you have all became selfish & arrogant.
There 2 guys who asked to join b2b in the forums. 1st was just trying to insult us. 2nd one claimed things about himself that appear to be not true.
Also, it's written and known that we don't accept joining requests like that, honestly, I don't understand why people keep trying like that.
And just to be clear: b2b don't *need* new members.
Seriously dude, you guys have completly ruined b2b, used to be a very respectable community that new players looked up to, now you all think you so good you can't even give people an honest and fair explanation...
Yes I know it's written cuz it was ME who wrote that article, but at least when people asked to join in the past I would actually reply with the link to THAT thread, actually give them the time of the day and even if they couldn't join i'd still enjoy a few games with them, introduce them to anyone else in the guild, cuz that's how friendships start, people who enjoy things together enjoying them together...
I will admit this right now, losing b2b was one of the worst feelings i've had in my life, all the hard work, all the effort and friendship and time spend helping people, for you guys to end up treating it like this???
I don't understand why you couldn't just make another community of your own if all you wanna do is act all high n mighty treating people like crap and spreading rumours n stuff...
You definately shouldn't treat the forums like your personal playground editing peoples posts, that isn't why I gave everyone in b2b MOD rights in the 1st place...
I can't believe what u guys have done to b2b, I am honestly ashamed and hurt that my creation with wormf00d has came to this, and the real reason I quit playing WA is because of losing b2b to a bunch of guys that don't even care about "b2b" you guys might care about each other, but you definitely don't do ANY good for b2b, the community that was once looked up to and respected, I hope you are all happy...
You shoulda all just left and made your little secret society of IRC wormers guild and be done with it, and left the people who DO care about b2b and bng to it.
So how would one acquire and inv from b2b if there is no application? Play time with members?
Quote from: Mayhem on December 08, 2012, 03:07 AM
So how would one acquire and inv from b2b if there is no application? Play time with members?
More or less yeah, and if everyone had fun together and the person was enthusiastic and skilled, we would eventually invite them, at least that's how it was before, in my opinion, the IRC channel unofficially took control...
yep yep
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:05 AMI hope you are all happy...
We are! We'd be very grateful if you stopped spamming our forums with nonsense now. Thanks!~ 8)
This isn't your forum though it's the off-topic one.
I won't apologise for showing feelings about something I really care about... Something which few of you bothered to do.
you are wrong, since he joined the spam assasins, his forums are everywhere
yup yup yep yep lalalalalalalalla hi rene xD
Oh right it's off-topic, my bad. Either way, nothing good will come from having this discussion again. Just let it go...
I think komo has a valid point if what he is telling is true. FoS is really #1 community now.
You could still give people a decent explanation or at least not be jerks and edit posts like that...
It's just not moral, and surely not the image you want?
I am over it, but I still have alot of respect for the people of this game, and to be honest, it's very unsettling to see a community which once had such honour and respect, treat people like this...
Hai Kai, don't get me wrong, towards the end I done some bad things, but at least I took responsibility for it and admitted my mistakes, these guys won't, I was genuinly sorry and upset, they just don't seem to care at all about anything I ever done for b2b, and that is what bothers me...
Toxic said he was in b2b before, I told him he was not (even in a very diplomatic fashion), then he was being rude so I got back at him. And now Komo is making a drama out of it. Everything went as one would expect. Case closed?
Quote from: darKz on December 08, 2012, 04:43 AM
Toxic said he was in b2b before, I told him he was not (even in a very diplomatic fashion), then he was being rude so I got back at him. And now Komo is making a drama out of it. Everything went as one would expect. Case closed?
haha you would think so darkz, but not in this lifetime. you forgot which board you were posting on. ;)
Actually as I recall it was b2b members being rude 1st, like I said, an explanation wouldn't have hurt, I did then give one, and it was edited...
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:05 AM
losing b2b was one of the worst feelings i've had in my life
well if you say so i'm afraid of what you will do when life will bring you the REAL pain, dude.
what the f@#! man.
Quote from: OrangE on December 08, 2012, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:05 AM
losing b2b was one of the worst feelings i've had in my life
well if you say so i'm afraid of what you will do when life will bring you the REAL pain, dude.
what the f@#! man.
b2b was only 5 years of my life, I am 27, other things have happened and more will, it's one of the worst feelings because of how much of an ass I was and I realise how much of an ass I was and I regret some of my actions, I done some stupid things, things I don't normally do, I shared information I wish I hadn't.
Feel free to judge me like that, I am trying to be a better person in my life now and onwards, and I hope I don't make the same mistakes again.
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 06:30 AM
Quote from: OrangE on December 08, 2012, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:05 AM
losing b2b was one of the worst feelings i've had in my life
well if you say so i'm afraid of what you will do when life will bring you the REAL pain, dude.
what the f@#! man.
b2b was only 5 years of my life, I am 27, other things have happened and more will, it's one of the worst feelings because of how much of an ass I was and I realise how much of an ass I was and I regret some of my actions, I done some stupid things, things I don't normally do, I shared information I wish I hadn't.
Feel free to judge me like that, I am trying to be a better person in my life now and onwards, and I hope I don't make the same mistakes again.
Yeah that's ok. My only advice is "stay real", nothing much to judge.
f@#!ing phone! I've typed a whole goddamn essay with my 1-# keys and now it wouldn't save it.
Anyway, the essence of it was that it's not that b2b don't give a shit about people who want to join, but we are inactive, you can find us on irc /some members on WN too/.
Just for the record: it took me months to get in b2b.
Quote from: Prankster on December 08, 2012, 09:26 AM
Just for the record: it took me months to get in b2b.
Yeah that's what I mean, most of b2b who joined, I had to convince EVERYONE else in b2b to give them the time of day to get to know them, most of which was "well if you like them, then sure" and I even had to convince members to give people a chance as some members said "I don't know them, no" but i'd always try and organise games and tournaments etc to get people interested and share the love, and I definitely made it clear to anyone who wanted to join, including some who are in b2b now, it may take a long time before you are invited, if you even get invited...
Instead of brushing people off like they don't exist, you could maybe reply with a link to the thread explaining b2b don't accept plees to join, and explain to them the same stuff you were explained when you were in their position, just common courtesy...
Dear b2b,
BnG went to shit under your watch. I hope you're proud.
Sincerly,
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 08, 2012, 04:16 AM
I think komo has a valid point if what he is telling is true....
"if"... but it's not.
And I ain't the only one to judge it, just ask anyone what they think about Komo's telling the truth. I'm sure that a big majority of ppl here would answer U that they had already witnessed many times his lies and twisting the truth. But no one have the nerves anymore to argue with Komo for the 658th time. We all have conclude that it's pointless and wasting of time.
As for the case, as darKz have already said, Toxc was the 1st one to be rude and call us all douchebags, so naturally I've told him to gtfo.
Komo, all the negative reputation that b2b ever got was because of U and your acting like a jerk on tus forums in the past, because I guess ppl saw b2b through U once. And now U come back to sell us morality and tell us how to act? It's ridiculous.. (as always)
best posts of this thread were from anubis, and ropa...
i wish i had something funny and witty to say but i dont... fos rules
it's not like b2b modified ur beloved bng, b2b made its own bng scheme and rules, u don't have to play by those, but we just love them =)
... but ropa wasnt serious
ropa has never been any more serious in his life.
Quote from: ropa on December 08, 2012, 11:03 AM
Dear b2b,
BnG went to shit under your watch. I hope you're proud.
Sincerly,
The truth, and as usual Ramone is talking bollux, the reason I got angry with most of b2b is because to put it simply, most of them are lazy useless players (meaning being enthusiastic and getting involved, they still all good people, well, most) lol.
This is starting to look a lot like "I'm not crazy! The rest of the world is crazy!"
Quote from: avirex on December 08, 2012, 05:30 PM
ropa has never been any more serious in his life.
This.
Bng is the most elitist cockfest unaccessible scheme there is. No one plays it for fun outside of b2b, it says a lot.
Some people do, but, is this b2b's fault? :D
Quote from: lacoste on December 09, 2012, 10:12 AM
Some people do, but, is this b2b's fault? :D
In a big extent, it probably is.
Not because you're leading the community to be that way, but because you're not doing anything to lead them otherwise.
Dont be ignorant. We did plenty of good steps and not because we felt obligated to do so like if b2b was Jesus, well, maybe Komo was.. Vast majority of the community dont like BnG, even more than that arent interested in fun (e.g. even ridiculous) playage. I could write here the list of people active in 2010-2012 era that enjoyed BnG (be it fun and league) and it wouldnt be long. Look how many people play other schemes the way b2b plays bng - just as many as we have in b2b. Wait, didnt you like warmer? Now look what happened to this style, a dozen of dedicated people play it occasionaly, thats all. What have you done to make the community follow you?
Quote from: ropa on December 09, 2012, 10:19 AM
Quote from: lacoste on December 09, 2012, 10:12 AM
Some people do, but, is this b2b's fault? :D
In a big extent, it probably is.
Not because you're leading the community to be that way, but because you're not doing anything to lead them otherwise.
Hey BnG was fun when I was hosting tournaments and running a2b sort of successfully, at least when me and wormf00d were leaders, b2b done stuff, we got people involved, we had a fun league, made a great movie, awesome weekly tournaments with VOIP, wormf00d the resident DJ lol, we actually made BnG FUN for a while, almost no one knew how to notch... Now look at it... I can't believe how seriously non-existent b2b seems to be these days, you don't seem to do anything that involves the community or trying to spread the fun to as many new people as possible, that was the most fun thing about BnG to me, having a laugh chilling out doing tricks shots and getting people hooked on BnG, ahhhhhhhh it's so sad...
Seriously, since I left b2b, I haven't seen even one person get hooked on BnG for just the fun or the banter, the only person i've seen hooked on BnG over the last year is barman, and that's only due to the fact he can notch and has an almost flawless competitive streak against what's as useful as blind & armless kids... But you know what, at least barman gave it his BEST, I enjoy playing with him because I enjoy the accuracy, the consistency, but even winning 2v2 with him doesn't feel like a victory as much as a free win...
Why can't you guys actually do something good for BnG??? Why can't you put a little effort in? What the hell happened to the old b2b spirit? You mostly just turned into a bunch of grandads on IRC waving your walking stick at the young ones while doing absolutely NOTHING to actually help something your DAMN NAME says you were born for...
lacoste please don't say "we did plenty of good steps" what u mean is, me and a FEW others in b2b done all the work while the rest of you done nothing, and still had the cheek to moan at me about it, then when I put even more effort in, you let me down, I am sorry for getting fed up and losing my temper and going partially insane but the blame really comes down to the laziness of the members who kept asking me to do stuff then when I do it, they either don't care, didn't show up, or backed out one way or another... How long did you expect the fuse to burn for???
Edit: Oh, and, WHOOPDEE-F**KING-DOO !!!! A long post... Deal with it...
Quote from: lacoste on December 09, 2012, 11:16 AM
Now look what happened to this style, a dozen of dedicated people play it occasionaly, thats all. What have you done to make the community follow you?
You're comparing two different things. Compare Bng to roping if you must, but not to warming. Warming doesn't compare to bng, it's the complete opposite. It's a form of expression. It's social time. It brings you high. Oh, and we do not use anything other than our hearts to warm it up, there's no mathematical formulas involved.
There was a time where people hosted Bng games in this same nature, were brains took a break from numerical calculations. But not anymore, not under b2b's watch. They like to call it Bng, I see them playing Gunbound.
You don't even embrace all that Bng has to give us. It's not that you never supported things like unanchored bng; it's that you never even bothered to even look. And here we are, every single one of us, hoping the opposing clan doesn't pick Bng because we just don't want to deal with the bitching and the boredom.
dunno if trolling...
b2b sucks. the worst decision b2b ever made was to not allow komo to come back and lead us on the path of righteousness. oj is innocent.
maybe b2b just lost interest at doing something good after FoS became #1 community?
iam 100% serious ;D
Quote from: Komo...
I and most of us were part of a2b, bng, we made movies, we were hanging around wormnet playing with random people the way we do, if thats not enough to deserve "we did" status then gtfo you ignorant f@#! to where you were on your absence here, therapy sessions and your great music career, or whatever. Im not gonna sit 20h/7 jerking around on forums about bng and hosting tourneys to be allowed to say "i made steps". Now go, tehse forums are better without you.
Ok I think finally we can change the topic to BOM and NFBX. Those elitist bastards do nothing to make their loved scheme popular!!!
Quote from: GreeN on December 09, 2012, 12:16 PM
b2b sucks. the worst decision b2b ever made was to not allow komo to come back and lead us on the path of righteousness. oj is innocent.
this is what I'm trying to say
I think it'd be best if Komo made his own community again that's about BnG. Doesn't take a genius to see that Komo is the most passionate BnGer alive so don't let that passion be wasted on personal differences.
ropa, I don't know if U're serious or just trolling around, but if U're serious then U definitely have a wrong idea about what b2b is.
Anyway, this thread is nothing more than 4 pages filled with lies, moans, cynicism, irony and trolling.. Good old Komo threads.. :D
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 09, 2012, 04:22 PM
I think it'd be best if Komo made his own community again that's about BnG. Doesn't take a genius to see that Komo is the most passionate BnGer alive so don't let that passion be wasted on personal differences.
Good idea! Plus, Komo had a similar idea too, he already wanted to break and divide b2b community and make a new bng community (b4b as I recall)..
Komo - do it!! Now is the chance!
He may love BnG alright but to this community he's done more harm than good. My personal opinion, take it out on me if on anyone Komo. ;)
we would love to have your passion and dedication in FoS komo.. lets make history.
Quote from: ropa on December 09, 2012, 11:46 AM
You don't even embrace all that Bng has to give us. It's not that you never supported things like unanchored bng; it's that you never even bothered to even look. And here we are, every single one of us, hoping the opposing clan doesn't pick Bng because we just don't want to deal with the bitching and the boredom.
I totally agree with this...
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 09, 2012, 04:22 PM
I think it'd be best if Komo made his own community again that's about BnG. Doesn't take a genius to see that Komo is the most passionate BnGer alive so don't let that passion be wasted on personal differences.
I did think about it Kai, but realistically there is no point, since notching became extremely public, and all the threads about it and the general bitching of BnG, there is no spirit anymore...
And what Ramone said about "b4b" is true to a certain extent, I did do that but I wasn't serious about it and I was never going to follow through with it, it was a very stupid, cruel and pathetic joke that went horribly wrong, I did apoligise but that doesn't really matter anyway...
Quote from: GreeN on December 09, 2012, 12:16 PMthe worst decision b2b ever made was to not allow komo to come back
The funny thing is, you had no choice, before I quit b2b officially me and wormf00d were leaders, if I wanted to I could have removed everyone of you from b2b except wormf00d, and started fresh, but I feel BnG had ran it's course, and even though I hate the fact that most of you were so damn lazy and not committed, I still had some of the greatest times playing with you all and I still deep down feel honoured to have spent that time of my life with you all, and I couldn't bear to take that from you.
And lacoste, you are actually one of the people I respect the most, your trick BnG impressed me more than anyone else, you had real passion and you helped out when I needed your help, I doubt that you care but I have no quarrel with you personally, thanks for that by the way.
well b2b, it's never too late, Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple and look what he did when he was allowed back.
sorry to intrude in this thread but just wanted to say lol @all of this.
Do you guys even realize that you're bashing the one who made the community ?
b2b was and always will be komo's as ckc is chicken's as TdC is rash's and mine....
Would anyone from ckc dare to treat him like you guys do to komo? As anyone in TdC would dare to manage the clan without rash and mine agreement ?
A clan/community without its leader is not anymore a community. To be honest I still can't believe how you dare say b2b is yours when the creator of it disagree in eveyway how it is managed. It is not komo who should create a new community but the current b2b people who should at least rename it.
Honestly as much as I like all of you, you're deeply wrong here and you should listen to komo, at least be polite with him.
The guy thought he could give mod power to everyone which I believe is an error. Komo was too idealistic thinking everyone could come up with nice decision but fact is there are people who have to take the harsh decision that the rest wouldn't dare to take.
I know komo might has been a jerk in past, I even had a complaint against him which might be one of my only one so far but as a clan leader I really can't stand the attitude from some of his past member...
And editing other people post to make them look stupid is really out of the line. Do you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?
Sorry to intrude in a matter that doesn't concern me but i've to admit i'm quite disapointed about some of you :(.
PS: komo, bng is not dead at all. Watch TdC last clanner against cfc there was not a single notch and we all enjoyed the game. It is not because some only think about winning that it's the case for all of us.
Well said Fada.
Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
sorry to intrude in this thread but just wanted to say lol @all of this.
Do you guys even realize that you're bashing the one who made the community ?
b2b was and always will be komo's as ckc is chicken's as TdC is rash's and mine....
Would anyone from ckc dare to treat him like you guys do to komo? As anyone in TdC would dare to manage the clan without rash and mine agreement ?
A clan/community without its leader is not anymore a community. To be honest I still can't believe how you dare say b2b is yours when the creator of it disagree in eveyway how it is managed. It is not komo who should create a new community but the current b2b people who should at least rename it.
Honestly as much as I like all of you, you're deeply wrong here and you should listen to komo, at least be polite with him.
The guy thought he could give mod power to everyone which I believe is an error. Komo was too idealistic thinking everyone could come up with nice decision but fact is there are people who have to take the harsh decision that the rest wouldn't dare to take.
I know komo might has been a jerk in past, I even had a complaint against him which might be one of my only one so far but as a clan leader I really can't stand the attitude from some of his past member...
And editing other people post to make them look stupid is really out of the line. Do you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?
Sorry to intrude in a matter that doesn't concern me but i've to admit i'm quite disapointed about some of you :(.
PS: komo, bng is not dead at all. Watch TdC last clanner against cfc there was not a single notch and we all enjoyed the game. It is not because some only think about winning that it's the case for all of us.
Please don't compare Chicken23 to Komo ever again, k thanks.
Oh right fada,
so half of the world is still Spain's, right?
I apologize for saying this, but this thread is full of ignorance. Seems like most of you guys have no idea what happened between Komo and the rest of b2b.
Some facts you should know:
Komo AND wormf00d made the commmunity.
None of them was ever considered to be a leader (not by us at least), and we are just fine like that, we ever were.
Komo's leaving was his own decision. He wanted to make b2b something that none of us wanted, not his co-founder either.
BnG was never being "under our watch", we have our own style of BnG, we never wanted to force anything to the leagues or the community.
Someone answer me: why is b2b such a big case? There are plenty of communities doing NOTHING and no one's bashing them for that. What on earth should we do? We are just a bunch of friends who love BnG, it's all written in our forums by Komo himself (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/b2b-b2b-born2bng/b2b-is-not-recruiting-2815/).
Quote from: Prankster on December 10, 2012, 02:54 PM
BnG was never being "under our watch", we have our own style of BnG, we never wanted to force anything to the leagues or the community.
We know this. You rather look elsewhere for your own amusement. We get it. And in the name of boggy b, we hate you for it.
there once was a couple of friends sharing their love for bng with everyone who was interested. weekly tournaments, active hosts. there once was some code of honor in league bng, now its notchfest. i know some members of b2b who dont even want to play bng when you ask them. for sure inactivity is a killer, but i wonder how the random newcomers should even notice that there is another way of playing bng when you guys are hanging around on an irc chanell. im really glad i got used to this game as komo still was active, because your way of bng is beautiful and a inspiration. your way of bng is a wa lifesyle so share it with the worms world.
ps: b2b who?
if this ain't enough public manifestation to at least make TheKomodo honorary president of b2b I'm lost for words
Wow, I was a bit on the mock up to be honest, but I decided to investigate if the rumors about b2b becoming a nazi organization were true...
<Johnny> Howdy Ropa
<Johnny> What brings your trolling ass here?
<Johnny> GreeN, may I?
<LeTotalKiller> Wants to prove once more he didn't get what b2b is, maybe?
<PsyDome> so this is what it's come down to
<PsyDome> banning people for having different ideas on bng
<Johnny> Bye
22* Johnny sets ban on *!*Adolfo@*.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
23* You have been kicked from #b2b by Johnny (PsyDome23)
oh, and the nick PsyDome didn't ring anyone's bell either :(
born2ban
a2b died when Komo was still active and in b2b, almost no one played it after a while. Same with the tourneys. We tried to host a few times, but seemed like people don't really care anymore, so we lost motivation.
You should realize that all these b2b bashings are manipulated by Komo. He is still angry at us, so grabs every opportunity to blame us for something, making every case look 10 times bigger than they really are.
omg how could this be, troll and get trolled?
influenced by recent events I bring you the official komodo badge, wear in your signature to support the cause
(http://i46.tinypic.com/32zkvm8.png)
looks good, thanks
Perfect
i remember when ramone and prankster were the little dingleberries from komo's ass hairs... now look at them! way to spread your wings youngsters.
this thread is gold, i would like to give a special thanks to komo and ropa.
nice sig ropa...
btw ropa, i did not understand that log you posted... were you psydome?? i remember him, he was a good bnger back in the way, b4 people started doing flipflop transfer cancan expressos, he was in the clan 'bngk' bng kings, i think?
was that another one of your alias or what?
ropa just took the name, he's not PsyDome.. He also used jmoberg's name at some point. :D
I can see where you're coming from fada and everyone else with a similar opinion. But the mistake wasn't to give everyone mod status, the mistake was that Komo went nuts and started to phantasize about a leader after like 2 years, then when we disagreed he started to insult us etc. He quit b2b and after a while he wanted to get re-invited because he "never quit", but by mutual agreement between the rest of us we didn't accept him back because deep down we knew he would start the leader argument or some other crap again in no time. We knew this because there were some internal disagreements even before this.
Personally I wouldn't mind renaming b2b into something else so Komo can have the name back and start over if he wants. To me the people are what's important, not the name.
I don't even know why I'm writing this but since the thread is already full of random opinions and accusations I might as well add some (more) truth to it. ;)
Weren't ropa in hos with psydome though, and he was Swedish? Guess he just took the name of an good, old bng'er randomly. Psydome's still been lurking around the forums at Team17 way after the days of hos though, so what do I know
to clarify: I used the nickname to make a point
edit: things weren't like this in the Komodo era
Psydome was the goofy bastard that loved the zook and would type buzzwords in when he nailed you with them. Like "zoom" or "bam" or "beep beep" or something, I forget really.
Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?
Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.
In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 11, 2012, 03:53 AM
Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?
Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.
In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.
/me does secret pre-patch wormer handshake with KRD :P
Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Do you guys even realize that you're bashing the one who made the community ?
b2b was and always will be komo's as ckc is chicken's as TdC is rash's and mine....
As soon as I read this I had to post before reading the rest, b2b was my idea, but in my eyes, it was mine and wormf00ds, I couldn't have done it without the guy, I have so much respect for him, and I did quit b2b so I have nothing to do with it anymore.
Edit: Ok now the rest:
Quote from: Prankster on December 10, 2012, 02:54 PM
I apologize for saying this, but this thread is full of ignorance. Seems like most of you guys have no idea what happened between Komo and the rest of b2b.
Some facts you should know:
Komo AND wormf00d made the commmunity.
None of them was ever considered to be a leader (not by us at least), and we are just fine like that, we ever were.
Komo's leaving was his own decision. He wanted to make b2b something that none of us wanted, not his co-founder either.
BnG was never being "under our watch", we have our own style of BnG, we never wanted to force anything to the leagues or the community.
That is one of the things that pissed me off the most, it was on our roster for years
TheKomodo - Leader
wormf00d - Co-Leader
And you guys kept acting like me and wormf00d were not in control, just because I never made decisions without consulting as many other members as possible, gave everyone rights to the forums and offered rights to others for a2b etc, doesn't mean I wasn't in charge of b2b or I wasn't the leader, I seriously don't understand where u guys got this idea that b2b never had leaders from but it's sooooooooooooo wrong, what makes it even funnier for me, is the fact that over the years many many people pm'd me in ag with messages like "I want to join b2b ramone/lacoste/dilligaf/surge etc told me you are in charge" and everytime i'd go on to say wormf00d is leader too but everyone has a voice, if you are serious about joining i'll inform everyone you are interested, you should play with us as much as possible get involved in our tournaments even play a2b if you want and see how it goes, after linking them to the thread in b2b forums saying "b2b is not recruiting".
And that's also the problem, the fact you guys didn't care about trying to spread the fun of b2b and everything we had going to as many people as possible, maybe I can't stand lazy people, big deal, green was the only person who up front said "don't expect anything from me" and I didn't, but when people started asking me to do things and I done them and it turned out to be a waste of time, I started getting fed up with it...
Quote from: Prankster on December 10, 2012, 05:29 PM
a2b died when Komo was still active and in b2b, almost no one played it after a while. Same with the tourneys. We tried to host a few times, but seemed like people don't really care anymore, so we lost motivation.
You should realize that all these b2b bashings are manipulated by Komo. He is still angry at us, so grabs every opportunity to blame us for something, making every case look 10 times bigger than they really are.
a2b died when I went inactive actually, I stopped playing and so did wormf00d, and everyone else stopped playing as well.
If anyone is manipulating the truth it's certain members of b2b, not me, I tell it like it is, hence why alot of people don't like me because I am not afraid to tell the truth even if it hurts, in my opinion, like surgery the truth hurts, but it heals.
I am not an angel, I done some bad things and I took responsibility and took my punishment, that's what a real man does, but NONE of you will admit to anything you done wrong, or ever will.
Quote from: darKz on December 10, 2012, 10:17 PMBut the mistake wasn't to give everyone mod status, the mistake was that Komo went nuts and started to phantasize about a leader after like 2 years, then when we disagreed he started to insult us etc. He quit b2b and after a while he wanted to get re-invited because he "never quit", but by mutual agreement between the rest of us we didn't accept him back because deep down we knew he would start the leader argument or some other crap again in no time. We knew this because there were some internal disagreements even before this.
Personally I wouldn't mind renaming b2b into something else so Komo can have the name back and start over if he wants. To me the people are what's important, not the name.
phantasize??? As i've just explained, you are the people who were fantasizing... The cheek lol... The rest of wormnet knew I was leader of b2b and my own members didn't lol, classic :)
I never asked to be re-invited, I stated that I never quit, because I never, I quit playing TuS, left all communities and cFc at the same time, I even told lalo I didn't quit worms or cFc or anything for real I just wanted to piss a few people off.
The funny thing is, everyone in b2b say "you never asked anyone to come back" because guess what, NO ONE ASKED ME IF I HAD REALLY QUIT, and the 1st time anyone mentioned to me on IRC about me quitting I replied "I never quit" you should have believed me, you should have asked me for an explanation, you know I am prone to doing stupid things what the hell man lol.
And I offered everyone to leave b2b as well as anyone who wants to stay and actually do BnG related things instead of sitting in IRC all day playing internet games and kaos and mole f@#!ing shoppas etc... But as I said, I didn't have it in me to do that, I am not pure evil ffs... And even if I was pure evil, what's the point, Mablak and others ruined BnG anyway giving away all the notching information, from that moment I knew it was over.
Psydome is a legend, he was such an inspiration to me lol, and yeah sitting in AG and all of a sudden you'd see:
HONK HONK VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!
spreading the fun of b2b, why should we? most players have expressed their opinion towards bng, wudn't it be annoying to them that we would insist that they liked bng? that's like trying to convert someone to religion
and u were still active while a2b died
but all the other points u made seem correct
to clarify:
vr000000000000000000000m, vr000000000000000m, HONK! HONK!
/me honks his horn!
Those words remind me of an era where Bng was respectable.
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 11, 2012, 03:53 AM
Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?
Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.
In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.
I've heard this thread is full of lies a few times already.
But what exactly are these lies you speak of? Care to point us in their direction? Because this thread might be home to misinformation, but it also an eye opener for anyone that thought there was still room for ego in the b2b house. But you know, I reserved a place long ago, hence why it's still funny to hear people go all self righteous on the topic.
Bng, the scheme, it's in its worth state in history. Notching is the norm and whilst people start many Bng clanners playing with honor it usually and very quickly goes to hell. What reply do I get? Prankster says it's not their responsibility. They're only the most important and relevant Bng community, and yet we shouldn't look up to them to keep a reasonable level of quality control on the scheme, or care about it. Others claim that I shouldn't be opening my mouth because I'm not in b2b and thus I can't talk (ironic, to say the least).
This lead me to 2 conclusions that I've stated in this topic. That b2b doesn't work in favor of the Bng scheme (that they shouldn't be expected to nor asked to), that it's an hermetic society and knowing what they're up to can only be done from the inside. And that any sort of critique towards them will see them all against you to the point where you cannot even join their IRC channel to discuss Bng without getting banned.
Now, people of the outside, do you see this as acceptable?
I know one thing for a fact, if I was starting worms and I had the idea of becoming a great Bnger, I would love Komodo to still be in charge of b2b, because I know, that thanks to him, my path would be merry one.
Quote from: Husk on December 11, 2012, 09:40 AMand u were still active while a2b died
I really don't remember it that way a2b died several times and I remember each time because each time I stopped playing, the 1st time is when I think it was Ramone asked me to "rebirth" a2b or something after it had been dead for almost a year, the next 2 times the "manual reset" was missed and players couldn't report, because the manual date reset wasn't done, I forgot to ask Liam to reset it because I wasn't playing WA, surge, and others asked me to fix it and I never got round to it because I was busy, with such a low amount of people playing whilst active it didn't take long at all to forget it anyway.
I was then asked to bring it back again by members of b2b on IRC and I asked Liam if he could reset it, but no one bothered to play so I just left it.
At this point everyone on IRC was playing these internet flash games and haxball n stuff and kaos and mole shoppers etc, I just felt like no one cared anymore and that sucked...
If there was another time, then I missed it completely.
If you are talking about slowly becoming less and less active, then yeah I was active then.
But when I say died, I mean literally no games played for like 2 months or more.
Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
I know one thing for a fact, if I was starting worms and I had the idea of becoming a great Bnger, I would love Komodo to still be in charge of b2b, because I know, that thanks to him, my path would be merry one.
Thanks man :)
But I remember the time I said I was proud of everyone in b2b after we released the b2b movie, and I got absolutely trashed for it, accused of "acting like a father figure like I moulded their future and they are nothing without me".
No doubt alot of b2b, and other people would still be shit hot at BnG if they never met me at all, but it seems to me that it doesn't occur to alot of people that I put ALL my time when I wasn't working or sleeping into b2b and BnG for like 5-6 years? I always done whatever possible to get us to hang out together and play as often and that in itself kind of in a way made them better, alot of practise made possible by my persistence and passion for Tournaments and messing around? If I had never made b2b, never done any tournaments or a2b or even had the friendly and supportive attitude online playing as many players as possible, and yeah being a bit cocky now and again and a bit over-competitive and a bit of a muppet, would you really have spent so much time playing BnG? Really?
Seriously, I was mauled for having so much love for the people I spent most of my time with and being really happy we done something truly spectacular together???
And anyway, I did teach and train alot of b2b members, but they all have a completely different and unique style of their own. Can't a guy be happy to be of some use to someone? And now they act like I never done anything good for them... Wtf man...
I mean my nemesis wormf00d became a f@#!ing machine at competitive BnG with all our a2b's, he beat me more than anyone else on wnet, he even said to me himself there's just something about playing me that brings out his best because he's never wanted to beat such a cocky bastard so much in his life haha, and i'll tell you what, he whooped my ass truly a number of times when I was playing damn good ! I really miss that...
I'm just saying I like to feel like I had a nice influence in the spirit of fun BnG and brought alot of people together, it just hurts me these guys don't see it the same way and know how much I really cared about them, I honestly don't think I done anything worthy of being treated like I was never leader of b2b and made out to be a crazy guy who just lies all the time because that isn't true, I done 100 times more good things for all of you than any bad things I done, yeah I made some insults and mistakes but I wasn't the only one & it always takes 2 to tango.
I might not have been a perfect person all the time, but at least I always gave it my best, and I always had the right thing in mind.
u r right, I meant the inactiviness
I'd like everyone to understand one thing: we had to make a choice. All b2b members was being bashed, no matter who was standing by Komo and who wasn't, people would imagine an equality between Komo and b2b, and many people clearly didn't like his attitude.
Komo, you did quit more than one time and we let you back without question. But the last time you'vre crossed a line, we had to choose. Letting you back despite of the things you've said about us and the actions you were about to make (ie.: taking leadership, removing players, etc..) or not letting you back, wait for things/you to calm down and then maybe talk to you.
(sounds like a goddamn breakup)
We chose the 2nd option, but looks like it isn't really working out. Fact is, the harder you act, the stronger the rejection grows. Dancing tango takes two, but looks like we both suck at it.
I honestly don't know how to settle this anymore, but I do miss the times when being b2b was an honor.
ps.: ropa, I'm actually the one (of a few) who asked Komo to restart a2b again and again, I'm all into tourneys and "spreading the spirit of BnG", but I still think that we do not owe this to the community or anyone, it's our own choice if we (can) do it or not.
Quote from: Prankster on December 11, 2012, 01:13 PM
I'd like everyone to understand one thing: we had to make a choice. All b2b members was being bashed, no matter who was standing by Komo and who wasn't.
That's just a straight out exaggeration, all b2b members? Seriously i'd like to see evidence for that, I insulted some of you but not all of you and I still get along with some members of b2b, I really got mad at a handful of you on IRC but as far as I am concerned those feelings were personal and didn't involve other members, it's your word of mouth and CNN-MEDIA-like screenshots and picking just bad moments of ME that made others change their opinion about me, when I played with b2b members online we always got along fine, it was always in IRC with a certain few members that ended in arguements all the time.
I said on TuS shoutbox when I was drunk "f@#! b2b, imma make b4b" (the same night I left sR and cFc) and you guys totally made a mountain out of a molehill, it's actually quite lame... I tried to explain and apologise but as far as you were concerned you had a grudge against me and used this against me to convince others I had seriously insulted b2b as a whole... It was just a joke when I was drunk and pissed off at those of you in IRC.
And this is ironic because the amount of times I said "b2b forever" "i'll never quit b2b" "b2b for life"
Where's the screenshots of that lol... Howcome you don't hold me to that lol...
Quote from: Prankster on December 11, 2012, 01:13 PMKomo, you did quit more than one time and we let you back without question.
I only ever really quit once, and that was when OoO made the post, no one ever "let me back" the only time anything was ever mentioned about me quitting was the time where I actually eventually quit where OoO posted.
Even Liam looked at your "evidence" and said it doesn't hold, you had 3 screenshots and nowhere was there any evidence that I officially quit b2b, that was just wishing thinking upon your behalf, nice try.
One thing is for certain, and clearly seen in recent behaviors. No matter how many friends you have in b2b, saying the slightest negative thing about their actions will see them furiously marching, as a unit, as a single thought, towards critics, with the only intent of manifesting they're in a higher moral ground, that they don't answer to anyone, not even their founder and Bng's most important person in this present time...
is b2b really a community or is it a clan? the Klu Klux clan?
Nah ropa lol, I know for a fact not all of them agree with what's been said by Ramone/Prank/darKz, well about what happened, the downward spiral sorta thing...
it's not that kicked you Komodo out of b2b, but it really annoys me (and I'm sure other see it as well) how it seems they were just waiting for an excuse or justification to do it. And now, much later, they're still giving reasons as to why that happened, and they're still different every time. There was a clear campaign, coming from the inside, it was a f@#!ing coup d'etat and I'm not going to stand here while communities think they're Israel.
edit: worst of all is, the best b2b members would have probably worked up a solution, with the weapon of dialect, and this would have never happened. I'm not saying b2b has cancer.
there is no waaaaay i read these posts of komo and ropa lmfaooooooooo
It looks like all of b2b guys have choise: let Komo back and have him as leader or use this situation and dont let him back and works in community without leader.
Sad.
Edit: I know Komo then it was 6 months ago.
Well yeah that's obvious, but no one kicked me from b2b, nor could anyone kick me from b2b, I eventually chose to leave, I must make that clear, b2b was my intellectual property shared with wormf00d, I know it sounds stupid to say that, but it's true, they couldn't prove it otherwise because what I am saying is the truth while I have the games with wormf00d where I brought my idea with him and we spent hours thinking of a suitable name eventually agreeing on b2b - born2bng and I was leader wormf00d co-leader cuz he didn't like the title "leader" it took me hours to convince him to even be "co-leader".
Ramone even tried saying it was me wormf00d green and ramone that created b2b, me and wormf00d invited green then we decided Ramone was a really cool guy who had alot of potential and generally loved BnG and he was a good laugh.
I might have acted like a jerk the way I handled "the exit" but it doesn't change the facts that you are all mislead by this "b2b had no leaders" thing.
Berria, I am not asking to rejoin b2b, this all happened like at least 6 months ago or longer I can't even remember it's been a long time anyway...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Florida_chicken_house.jpg)
You got me wrong, Komo, I didn't say we were bashed by you, we were bashed by other people.
You got me wrong at quitting too. I'm talking about you quitting on TUS.
ropa, we didn't kick Komo, he left, we just didn't want to let him back just like that. Why the hell do you think we had no reasons? Do you think we just did it for fun, or what?
Seriously, what the hell do you want? Komo, you were an asshole, YOU DID LEFT B2B, that's a fact because we didn't kick you and somehow you are still not in. You may have not made all members angry at you, but certainly did those who gave a shit about it. Your apologies were all like "but I was drunk', " but I was angry", but never just a pure "I was wrong".
ropa: I just wrote a post about that I don't think we are on a higher moral ground, but we had to make a f@#!ing choice! Also, it was Johnny alone who kicked you from #b2b. Now you are talking the same as people did about us mostly because of Komo's actions and attitude, blaming all b2b because of a member's individual action.
This whole thread is an exercise in a lack of accountability.
I don't think you get it. My point is, if Komo left he shouldn't have to ask anyone to come back in other than perhaps wormf00d, and if you guys didn't like that at the time you should have left and made a different community. But it wasn't your call to not let him back in. You acted wrong, I'm an outside judge.
Instead, what happened is that you rather kept it because of all the work Komo had put in b2b it had already gotten a status. Worst of it is not that you're making use of Komodo's work, and that you don't give him any credit, but you even bad mouth him.
You owe Komodo big dollars. Give him back his franchise or give up the name and call you something that doesn't include the name bng in it, because, after all, what the f@#! you doing for bng other than spreading notching like it's a plague. Damn it you make me sick
I have no comment regarding my ban, but it seems as if you're quite the fan of avoiding responsibilities*, I don't care I was kicked from a channel I don't plan on using (which I'm in right now, for the record). It's the message you're sending, banning people for having a critic opinion. It doesn't matter who did it. Shit like this didn't happen under Komodo's watch.
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Quote from: TheWalrus on December 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
This whole thread is an exercise in a lack of accountability.
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
This whole thread is an exercise in a lack of accountability.
i would say ......... lack of friendship or maybe loyality..
I can't talk in every b2b members' name right now, but I do take part of the responsibility for not letting Komo back and causing tihs crappy situation so.
I do admire Komo's work, I agree with that he did the most for BnG.
However, I don't see your point of bashing us like this, because it isn't changing anything, I think it's too late from both side.
But you do realize if you can't settle this it will always follow you, aye? It will always be like: Yeah b2b is this community that is about BnG, but... etc.
People will not forget this issue, ever. I am gonna be honest with you, b2b is probably the most notable community that is (was) currently around in modern W:A (TUS era). You should not leave serious concerns unfinished. And yes, this is a public concern since b2b has always been a very public inspiration for many people interested in BnG.
Who gives a f@#!? Yall honestly have nothing better to do?
im still not sure whos side im on... both sides make good points... :D
im still just so proud of prankster and ramone for becoming their own people, with their own opinions.
ill keep reading.. i love ropa's posts, normally his posts make me cringe, but this thread is hilarious.
I count at least 5 people in this thread who don't give a f@#! whatsoever but still try and stir shit up. You know who you are, get a (different) hobby. :D
Thread already seemed like trashcan 5 pages ago.
ooo, the manners mod has spoken!! quick, someone lock the thread!
I can count at least 5 people in this thread who are more active than you, one of them is ropa ;D
i can count till 3.. f@#!ing zilians schools :(
Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
...You acted wrong, I'm an outside judge.
...
Are U trippin' that this thread is some kind of a court? The trial in which U are the almighty judge and the b2b community is sitting on a dock because Komo sues us?
Sry to break up your party, but I'm disapproving this malicious thread as a court and I'm disapproving U as an almighty judge. U simply can't judge something when U don't even know facts about it. Or U believe in everything what Komo says?
If U are expecting from us to defend, to bring out the "dirty underwear" of b2b in the public, to paste logs from our private discussions and to prove Komos lies here in this trolling thread, then sry to disappoint U, it won't happen. ;x
We'll be enough kind to let Komo to feed his ego with this thread and then we'll watch him disappears again.. If anyone understands him ever, it's the b2b crew in the first place.. ;)
We hope that U choke. :)
Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
I've heard this thread is full of lies a few times already.
But what exactly are these lies you speak of? Care to point us in their direction? Because this thread might be home to misinformation, but it also an eye opener for anyone that thought there was still room for ego in the b2b house.
How can it be filled with misinformation and eye-opening at the same time? As a third party who doesn't actually know what went on between b2b and Komo, how can one tell that their eyes aren't being opened
by said misinformation, essentially tricking them into agreeing with whichever side is loudest, not the one that is right? Unless of course your intention all along has been to open the eyes of this community regarding how little it values truth, in which case, well done!
But okay, I guess if you guys are really interested, I can take the time to point out some of the lies and the bullshit. The difference between the two (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Distinguished_from_lying), by the way, is that in order to lie, one has to be aware of the truth. When spreading bullshit, that requirement isn't there, the truth is largely irrelevant. I won't pretend to know for sure which of the below qualify as lies and which as bullshit, but the people who posted the excerpts should for the most part know for themselves; feel free to ask them.
Quote from: Komito on December 07, 2012, 01:13 AM
Up until the point where I posted at least, no one said anything offensive, why are you being immature and messing with everyones posts?
The thread was full of offensive posts, starting with the very first one, continuing with Toxic's next reply after being told that as far as we know, he was never voted into b2b, as every other member always had to be. Quoted post also conveniently leaves out the fact that as it turns out, it was actually Komo who seems to have contributed to Toxic misremembering things in the first place, something the rest of us in b2b had no idea about at all until he finally revealed it in that topic, at which point things had sadly already gone down the shitter. Derp.
Quote from: Komito on December 07, 2012, 08:21 PM
Fair enough then, you have all became selfish & arrogant.
b2b members were all reasonably mature when first being invited into the community already, our personalities and opinions in large part past the point of shifting drastically, as a teenager's might. Over the years, our views on practically all things have changed very little, so either we've been selfish and arrogant all along or the above just isn't true and is a severe exaggeration.
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:05 AM
Seriously dude, you guys have completly ruined b2b, used to be a very respectable community that new players looked up to, now you all think you so good you can't even give people an honest and fair explanation...
An honest and fair explanation was given before the thread turned into a shitfest and eventually a (pretty funny in my opinion) joke. The rest of that post then goes on to again try and make b2b look bad in an attempt to conceal the fact that it was always, exclusively, Komo who made b2b look bad in the past as well, with the rest of us practically always electing to stay out of the drama because we knew nothing good would come out of it, as we tried to in this situation as well. Obviously, this time it didn't work out too well because the amount of slander was greater than usual, so here we are, replying anyway.
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 03:12 AM
More or less yeah, and if everyone had fun together and the person was enthusiastic and skilled, we would eventually invite them, at least that's how it was before, in my opinion, the IRC channel unofficially took control...
That clearly continued to be the case after Komo left, why wouldn't it? Implying that it may not be like that anymore because a lot of us prefer IRC to other methods of communication is just another thinly veiled attempt to mislead without going through the trouble of providing (or even thinking about) an actual basis to the accusation.
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 08, 2012, 04:16 AM
I think komo has a valid point if what he is telling is true. FoS is really #1 community now.
A supreme example of someone clueless not only siding with the loudest party, but immediately also making the jump to spreading his conclusions as fact in the very next sentence, despite admitting to not knowing which side is telling the truth in the first one. I mean I can imagine why Anubis would feel like he should support Komo on this (confirmation bias, humans are more likely to interpret new information so that it supports beliefs they already hold) and that's fine, there's something to be said for friendship. But if you want to be seen as an at least somewhat objective observer, why take it that step further and proclaim our community as somehow worse as a result of this debate, before getting to the bottom of even the basic stuff like who's being more truthful?
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 04:19 AM
It's just not moral, and surely not the image you want?
I am over it, but I still have alot of respect for the people of this game, and to be honest, it's very unsettling to see a community which once had such honour and respect, treat people like this...
Implying that b2b would be better off with Komo in charge of it, despite the several enormous discussions we've had internally that outright established that as far as our members were concerned, the opposite was true. Said discussions being the very reason why we decided not inviting him back in would be the saner course of action as far as b2b staying enjoyable and its reputation as a community were concerned.
Quote from: Komito on December 08, 2012, 10:00 AM
Instead of brushing people off like they don't exist, you could maybe reply with a link to the thread explaining b2b don't accept plees to join, and explain to them the same stuff you were explained when you were in their position, just common courtesy...
So b2b's mistake, this time, was not linking
someone asking to be allowed back into a community they were never part of to a
sticky topic in the b2b forum that explains what to do if you want to join for the first time? Really, that's worthy of gigantic drama topics accusing us of being responsible for the death of BnG as we know it? Get some perspective, lunatics!
Quote from: ropa on December 08, 2012, 11:03 AM
Dear b2b,
BnG went to shit under your watch. I hope you're proud.
Sincerly,
Patently not true, you're clearly just guessing and hoping nobody would notice... funnily enough, nobody outside of b2b actually did notice and went on to correct you, so touché.
Our community was born, in part,
because BnG had already (though not to the extent it has today) gone to shit and we wanted to preserve a certain way of playing it. Through recruiting new members, hosting and playing in a2b tournaments, public games with outsiders, releasing BnG movies, theorising at length about both league and funner BnG in our forum and IRC channel, consulting league admins on touchy issues such as rules, complaints and cheating, I feel we have done a pretty damn fine job of that, actually. Certainly more than anyone else has done, by far. While not all of our members are necessarily interested in doing all these things at all times, we each played a part. That you and apparently much of the rest of TUS failed to notice it is quite simply an admission that apart from Komo, the rest of us don't go out of our way to brag about it, and also that you guys just haven't been very observant. If in the past few months, we've perhaps been doing less to bring the glory of BnG to the attention of the good people of WormNet, or doing too little to try and fix TUS BnG, surely you should at least allow for the possibility that there may be factors other than laziness at work here. Perhaps we were ourselves a little disappointed by the reception some of our proposals were met with, perhaps we weren't able to quite find common ground with the rest of the BnG world when looking for solutions (certainly the case with me when I was thinking and writing about NRBnG and notching), perhaps we're just waiting for the atmosphere in the community to calm down a bit as far as blind hatred toward the scheme is concerned.
My point is, you don't know. How could you or anyone else bashing b2b in this thread know? You never bothered to ask us. Or MI.
Quote from: ropa on December 09, 2012, 09:36 AM
Bng is the most elitist cockfest unaccessible scheme there is. No one plays it for fun outside of b2b, it says a lot.
I'm sure the intention here, on the wings of your recent victory (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/allrounder-leagues-results-18447/), is to try and once and for all fix TUS BnG, because you feel the circumstances are favourable, the community finally ready to accept well thought-out changes. As you know, I respect that, and would be more than willing to look past the misdirected flaming if I thought that blaming b2b for the situation at hand would help reestablish BnG as one of the cornerstones of competitive Worms. Sadly, after following TUS forums quite closely over the years and talking to MI about BnG every now and then, as we do, I don't believe anything short of a perfect solution would do the trick at this point. Komo trying to push his (somewhat inaccurate) interpretation of NRBnG a while back was not it. A solution founded on putting Komo in charge of b2b, despite b2b never having had any official say in how BnG is played on TUS, would not be it either. It would be just another quick and dirty attempt that would again end in the rest of the community seeing the scheme as even less suitable for league play.
Quote from: ropa on December 09, 2012, 11:46 AM
You're comparing two different things. Compare Bng to roping if you must, but not to warming. Warming doesn't compare to bng, it's the complete opposite. It's a form of expression. It's social time. It brings you high. Oh, and we do not use anything other than our hearts to warm it up, there's no mathematical formulas involved.
There was a time where people hosted Bng games in this same nature, were brains took a break from numerical calculations. But not anymore, not under b2b's watch. They like to call it Bng, I see them playing Gunbound.
You don't even embrace all that Bng has to give us. It's not that you never supported things like unanchored bng; it's that you never even bothered to even look. And here we are, every single one of us, hoping the opposing clan doesn't pick Bng because we just don't want to deal with the bitching and the boredom.
That's the most hilarious post in this thread by far, illustrating so perfectly the complete lack of understanding of both BnG and b2b on your part and the part of much of the rest of the community. BnG can obviously be both, a form of artistic expression in funners as well as one of the most exciting schemes to play competitively. Out of everyone in this community, b2b members were clearly always at the forefront of both of these approaches to BnG, in theory as well as in practice. Just because you apparently bought Komo's propaganda about evil b2b members spreading notching during one of his harshly vindictive periods doesn't make it a solid base for your arguments pertaining to the past and future of BnG. Doing your own research instead of relying on the ramblings of someone clearly emotionally unstable would have been a much better way to go here; it would have saved you the embarrassment of claiming that, in essence, b2b is more responsible for BnG being unpopular on TUS... than TUS itself. And I don't just mean the league's staff, before I get accused of terrorism again, but them too. Four out of (roughly) five people who get a say in how things are run on TUS want the scheme taken out of the league right now. Not exactly favourable circumstances for a community that's apparently expected to fix things, wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: Peja on December 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
there once was a couple of friends sharing their love for bng with everyone who was interested. weekly tournaments, active hosts. there once was some code of honor in league bng, now its notchfest. i know some members of b2b who dont even want to play bng when you ask them. for sure inactivity is a killer, but i wonder how the random newcomers should even notice that there is another way of playing bng when you guys are hanging around on an irc chanell. im really glad i got used to this game as komo still was active, because your way of bng is beautiful and a inspiration. your way of bng is a wa lifesyle so share it with the worms world.
ps: b2b who?
I don't know where you got the idea that competitive BnG should be played with honour or that this was one of b2b's stated goals. There are solutions for league BnG out there that
would actually work, they're just very hard to force on a community that doesn't even understand why unwritten honour rules stopped working in the first place. And again, b2b can not be held solely responsible for the entire rest of the community losing passion and understanding for the scheme. That we should be able to inspire an entire WormNet worth of people to enjoy BnG in funners, or that Komo was single-handedly doing this while still in b2b, is a ridiculous claim and an unrealistic expectation. The sooner active league players and forum posters such as yourself realise they're a large part of the problem, the better it would be for BnG. But I'm not getting my hopes up, I've been around for a bit too long for that, attempted a few too many failed NRBnG revolutions.
Quote from: ropa on December 10, 2012, 05:13 PM
oh, and the nick PsyDome didn't ring anyone's bell either :(
Clearly trolling there, of course you know that there's as many b2b members who remember PsyDome as there are people in the entire rest of the TUS community combined who do. Too few, I agree, but that's life for you.
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 10, 2012, 05:17 PM
born2ban
You used to be a contributing member of the WA society, Kai. What happened? :'(
Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
Bng, the scheme, it's in its worth state in history. Notching is the norm and whilst people start many Bng clanners playing with honor it usually and very quickly goes to hell. What reply do I get? Prankster says it's not their responsibility. They're only the most important and relevant Bng community, and yet we shouldn't look up to them to keep a reasonable level of quality control on the scheme, or care about it. Others claim that I shouldn't be opening my mouth because I'm not in b2b and thus I can't talk (ironic, to say the least).
How is it ironic that we might expect people who criticise b2b to first understand what our community is all about instead of taking Komo's word for it? Do we perhaps criticise others without doing our homework first, is that it? That would be more hypocritical than ironic, though, so I'm really not sure what you meant there. What's actually ironic is that b2b is getting flak for not doing enough for BnG when even by your admission, we're the only ones who actually understand the scheme, both professionally, and logically... thereby doing more than anyone else. :D
Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
This lead me to 2 conclusions that I've stated in this topic. That b2b doesn't work in favor of the Bng scheme (that they shouldn't be expected to nor asked to), that it's an hermetic society and knowing what they're up to can only be done from the inside. And that any sort of critique towards them will see them all against you to the point where you cannot even join their IRC channel to discuss Bng without getting banned.
Both of those conclusions are of course wrong, and both of them I addressed up there somewhere in replies to other quotes. Yes we love BnG and yes we continue to think about solutions for it, and you'd know this if you bothered to come to our open channel, or our forums here, to talk to us about it
before removing all doubt that you are in fact trolling in some of the members' minds. As it was, one of them was thoroughly fed up with the debate by the time you did that, so he did the one thing that would keep him from having to go over it all again. It's how we've always operated, with and without Komo, and we're not suddenly going to become any more or less active/egoistic/intelligent/humourous/motivated/proud/responsible/whatever just because FoS was yet again able to turn public opinion against b2b, conveniently right before the announcement of the next round of TUS community awards. :P
Seriously, we're used to it, we don't really mind. Have fun.
Quote from: Prankster on December 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
You got me wrong, Komo, I didn't say we were bashed by you, we were bashed by other people.
You got me wrong at quitting too. I'm talking about you quitting on TUS.
Ok fair enough.
@ KRD's record breaking post:
Toxics 1st post was not offensive, he was telling the truth as he at least believed and never insulted anyone, then some members were acting pretty ignorant, then I explained what happened with toxic and before I got a chance to read the replies the next day it was 3 pages of posts saying just "no"
You know what KRD, the truth is you are out of date when it comes to WA politics, your views suits the desires of the old generation, the "elitist" group, what I call the "secret society" which to be honest, doesn't cut it these days.
You are a genuinly nice human being, but when it comes to WA/BnG I couldn't disagree with you more with todays issues, you never truly followed "the people", just your old war-buddies...
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:18 AM
Our community was born, in part, because BnG had already (though not to the extent it has today) gone to shit and we wanted to preserve a certain way of playing it. Through recruiting new members, hosting and playing in a2b tournaments, public games with outsiders, releasing BnG movies, theorising at length about both league and funner BnG in our forum and IRC channel, consulting league admins on touchy issues such as rules, complaints and cheating, I feel we have done a pretty damn fine job of that, actually. Certainly more than anyone else has done, by far. While not all of our members are necessarily interested in doing all these things at all times, we each played a part. That you and apparently much of the rest of TUS failed to notice it is quite simply an admission that apart from Komo, the rest of us don't go out of our way to brag about it, and also that you guys just haven't been very observant.
The community was born simply because I was addicted to BnG and wanted to make a BnG focused community who all enjoyed playing BnG.
I feel you done a pretty damn horrible job actually, you mentioned somewhere in your post about me exclusively giving b2b a bad name, why? Because I argue alot on the TuS forums with the same people over and over? And whenever I made complaints about BnG it was because people were either notching, breaking rules, playing lame, or avoiding certain clans/players etc, damn right you should have supported me, but did you? Hell no...
Any other arguements on TuS had nothing to do with b2b and usually something to do with avirex just for being avirex and I am sure or at least hope people aren't too dumb to know the difference.
As I recall, it took me something like 6-9 months to FINALLY get enough players in b2b to send material for the movie, most of you were too damn lazy to look and if it wasn't for me continously moaning about it and being persistent we wouldn't even have got round to it, face it, for those who were enthusiastic, like lacoste when actually changed his replays 2-3 times I think because each passing month he was better and better, thanks, that's the kind of attitude b2b needs, not the attitude of secret society KRD and his ridiculously but infamous rarity of showing up on wnet or any WA related forums and getting involved, KRD, we used to share the same views on what's lame about BnG and what's good, you used to be anti-notching, then you ended up supporting Mablak in IRC when I confronted him about teaching mm members how to notch, one of our fundamentals of b2b was no f@#!ing notching in leagues... That was when I realised I wasn't keen on your views about BnG anymore...
Seriously you guys go on and on and on about f@#!ing IRC, this is 2012 ffs, kids these days don't give a rats ass about your grandad communication programs... I hated IRC I always said it done more bad than good for b2b and I was right.
Just because half of you stick together on IRC and spend most of your time together (but not actually doing anything BnG related of course) doesn't mean the other half didn't exist and definitely didn't mean you guys were in control, which you thought it did for some reason.
And yeah how can you brag about something you hardly do anyway?
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:18 AM
I don't know where you got the idea that competitive BnG should be played with honour or that this was one of b2b's stated goals. There are solutions for league BnG out there that would actually work, they're just very hard to force on a community that doesn't even understand why unwritten honour rules stopped working in the first place. And again, b2b can not be held solely responsible for the entire rest of the community losing passion and understanding for the scheme. That we should be able to inspire an entire WormNet worth of people to enjoy BnG in funners, or that Komo was single-handedly doing this while still in b2b, is a ridiculous claim and an unrealistic expectation. The sooner active league players and forum posters such as yourself realise they're a large part of the problem, the better it would be for BnG. But I'm not getting my hopes up, I've been around for a bit too long for that, attempted a few too many failed NRBnG revolutions.
Actually playing competitive BnG with honour was one of our fundamentals, and so it should be, look how f@#!ing good we were... I would always urge everyone to play as kind-hearted and fair as possible, I even started the "skip turn if opponent hits themself" era...
Oh but yeah, that's right, you wouldn't know cuz you were hardly ever actually online, playing with the people, you'd rather sit in IRC and talk about outdated politics and how good it was back in the day...
However you are right, b2b cannot be held solely responsible, but that isn't what this is about, b2b, imo, DOES have a responsibility to try and make BnG a better game, it's what I always done and it's the image I always created for b2b, you seriously don't realise how much some people on WNET used to wanna be like us and how much they looked up to us... It was truly a humble and amazing feeling, and I was only ever glad to help and teach and have fun with anyone interested.
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:18 AM
How is it ironic that we might expect people who criticise b2b to first understand what our community is all about instead of taking Komo's word for it? Do we perhaps criticise others without doing our homework first, is that it? That would be more hypocritical than ironic, though, so I'm really not sure what you meant there. What's actually ironic is that b2b is getting flak for not doing enough for BnG when even by your admission, we're the only ones who actually understand the scheme, both professionally, and logically... thereby doing more than anyone else.
"what our community is all about" lol, it's quit funny because, when I was leader, most of wnet thought we were about BnG, and you guys at the end insisted you are nothing more than a bunch of friends who enjoy hanging out together, who occasionally play BnG, that pissed me off more than anything, why even be in a scheme focused and dedicated community if that's the case, I gave you all the chance to leave if that's what you really wanted, instead you just called me overcompetitive and too stubborn.
I was told by several members of b2b who I trust, that it was never about me quitting or not quitting, it was mainly because people just didn't like who I was anymore, and "most of b2b agree b2b would be better off without you" even though we all know it was "the better half of the IRC channel think so" I never had a problem with any other members of b2b until you guys started spreading the rumours n stuff and posting as i've already said, media-like screenshots showing only bad things I had said/done.
Quote from: Komito on December 12, 2012, 08:12 AM
I was told by several members of b2b who I trust, that it was never about me quitting or not quitting, it was mainly because people just didn't like who I was anymore, and "most of b2b agree b2b would be better off without you"
I don't know what do you mean by that you were told by members of b2b who you trust. It wasn't us, who built up a whole argument on you technically quitting or not. We based our decision on your attitude, that never was a secret.
Quote from: Komito on December 12, 2012, 08:12 AM
"what our community is all about" lol, it's quit funny because, when I was leader, most of wnet thought we were about BnG, and you guys at the end insisted you are nothing more than a bunch of friends who enjoy hanging out together, who occasionally play BnG, that pissed me off more than anything, why even be in a scheme focused and dedicated community if that's the case, I gave you all the chance to leave
3 of the four members (wormf00d, GreeN, Ramone) who were there at the very first days of b2b claim that all this community ever meant to be was a small group that enjoys each others company, and playing BnG.
Maybe it was your desire to make it something like a political party, but honestly, none of us wants that. We don't give a shit about fashion either. I installed mIRC in 2010. What we care about is each other and BnG. FYI, we do play BnG, we do talk about BnG, we ever did. We were discussing NRBnG, 1RBnG, notching, all that stuff on IRC (and forums too), not like we had to do that, but because some of us personally care, not because we are b2b, the saviours of BnG.
Our room is open to everyone by the way (KRD already explained why did ropa get kicked).
If anyone still thinks that b2b owes anything to the community, I can only quote Komo here:
Quote from: Komito on December 11, 2012, 11:32 AM
it always takes 2 to tango.
No, tourneys and a2b are not over because we "kicked" Komo. There just aren't enough enthusiasts for a continously running BnG league, but not even for weekly tournaments. Even TEL was down due to inactivity, despite elite being a more popular scheme. We might just start a2b again (or something similar) at a point, if we have motivation to do so.
So KRD you do a good job trying to answer generally but you offer no counter sight, at least none I can buy or understand.
I don't need to know every detail about the constant kid arguments b2b and Komodo had. I don't have the stomach to read those because I'm not sure any of you were doing comedy a service whilst typing words and words of justification for keeping a tag.
I understand Komodo left by himself. I understand you lot carrying grudge against the man. But you never liked him. You claim there's no centralized power. There's always a voice. And that voice never liked Komodo, not since WL, or earlier, and neither do many of you, you rather have him out regardless of how wrong he did to the community he founded.
Not only that, but you decided to keep the tag, because b2b had gotten a status, in big chunks, thanks to Komo here.
I'm not going to quote all your accusations because you've either not been reading between the lines or you actually rather clean b2b's name than listen to what I have to say (which is fair enough, but please make it clear). I don't buy Komo propaganda about b2b spreading notching like it's AIDS, but all this shit is happening with b2b governing Bng. So stop avoiding responsibilities, I'm giving them to you. Because you're the ones that will cry the most once Bng has gone completely to shit.
Quote from: KRDillustrating so perfectly the complete lack of understanding of BnG
Hahaha, of course. Yet I was doing 5sec max bounce grenades when they weren't even legal. We
invented trick Bng in HoS.
Quote from: KRDif you bothered to come to our open channel
I was asked by GreeN if I was itc, an idler in b2b.
I answered no.
itc was banned from #b2b.
You're so
biased KRD, and it's so sad. Please do not troll me so I can see how it feels when I do it to others because unlike your post, whilst I might make excess use of exaggeration and hyperbole there's an essence to it and it's still true. We can focus on that. Or we can keep on talking about how I don't understand Bng because I'm not in b2b and ooooh how much b2b has done for bng they made a movie and created a shit scheme that solves nothing. /me bows down and honks his horn
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Weeeee, a book right here.
Does it worth reading it ? :roll:
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I get you, ropa. The essence of your words is that bng went shit. The rest is either bullshitting, blindly guessing around, or telling unimportant facts.
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Hi Abnax! :D
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Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:18 AM
It's how we've always operated, with and without Komo, and we're not suddenly going to become any more or less active/egoistic/intelligent/humourous/motivated/proud/responsible/whatever just because FoS was yet again able to turn public opinion against b2b, conveniently right before the announcement of the next round of TUS community awards.
drama-topic #1, but checking the first 8 pages, you can see that FoS has nothing to do with all this.
b2b managed to move itself to the dumpster all by itself.
(...conveniently right before the announcement of the next round of TUS community awards, lol)
Quote from: philie on December 12, 2012, 12:01 PM
b2b managed to move itself to the dumpster all by itself.
Nono, you seem to ignore that Komo was helping this case a big deal by being the attention whore he's always been. Props to him! 8)
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:18 AM
Just because FoS was yet again able to turn public opinion against b2b, conveniently right before the announcement of the next round of TUS community awards.
Bahahahaha i love you KRD, you know that, but you are nuts. Until Komo joins FoS, you've missed the boat. Anyways, b2b wasn't going to be the #1 community anyhow, sorry, if you hadn't noticed b2b has pretty much just been floating while ea has taken the reins. I think the voting is going to reflect that. If SPW decided to concoct a plan to make ea the best community, hes certainly doing a damn good job of it. ea has even managed to avoid a "elite is going to shit" thread, instead they have the best organized, professional worms tourney on TUS. No idea why im sucking off ea right now, i feel like this post belongs in their forum join thread, lol.
Avirex, however, is a lazy bastard ;D
Quote from: Prankster on December 12, 2012, 09:48 AMI don't know what do you mean by that you were told by members of b2b who you trust. It wasn't us, who built up a whole
argument on you technically quitting or not. We based our decision on your attitude, that never was a secret.
I never said it was you or ramone or krd or green.
Quote from: Prankster on December 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
3 of the four members (wormf00d, GreeN, Ramone) who were there at the very first days of b2b claim that all this community ever meant to be was a small group that enjoys each others company, and playing BnG.
Maybe it was your desire to make it something like a political party, but honestly, none of us wants that. We don't give a shit about fashion either. I installed mIRC in 2010. What we care about is each other and BnG. FYI, we do play BnG, we do talk about BnG, we ever did. We were discussing NRBnG, 1RBnG, notching, all that stuff on IRC (and forums too), not like we had to do that, but because some of us personally care, not because we are b2b, the saviours of BnG.
Well if wormf00d agrees with that I am really shocked, it's true we were meant to be a group (i never once said small) of people who enjoy BnG, and we did, but I always made it clear to wormf00d that were would get as many people involved with BnG as possible, why else would I constantly host tournaments on TuT/TuS, and just random tournaments no involved in any league or website, a2b Tournaments, a2b League, organised the movie, people constantly asked me to help hone their skills give them advice and i'd spend time playing with them helping them, I loved that, it made me feel good to help other people, and yeah I liked talking about it.
Quote from: Prankster on December 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
No, tourneys and a2b are not over because we "kicked" Komo. There just aren't enough enthusiasts for a continously running BnG league, but not even for weekly tournaments. Even TEL was down due to inactivity, despite elite being a more popular scheme. We might just start a2b again (or something similar) at a point, if we have motivation to do so.
This is true, even at the end after much disagreement about the way a2b was ran I told everyone in IRC I gave permission and Liam was ok with it too that they would re-write the rules and pretty much take control of it, still waiting on that happening was so long ago as well...
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 12, 2012, 02:47 PMif you hadn't noticed b2b has pretty much just been floating while ea has taken the reins. I think the voting is going to reflect that.
Yup, ea has my vote, I am very impressed with SPW and how he runs ea, it's a great community that reflects the passion for the scheme.
Quote from: darKz on December 12, 2012, 01:59 PM
Quote from: philie on December 12, 2012, 12:01 PM
b2b managed to move itself to the dumpster all by itself.
Nono, you seem to ignore that Komo was helping this case a big deal by being the attention whore he's always been. Props to him! 8)
b2b isn't in the dumpster, b2b isn't a horrible community, i've already said they and genuinly nice guys I just don't think they do enough.
darKz, I do or say things when I feel I have to, I do not do anything for the approval of anyone, I only BnG'd because I wanted to I enjoyed it and I loved sharing that with people, I am aware of the fact alot of the things I do pisses alot of people off, but it's who I am, no one is perfect, everyone has enemies and dislikes, each to their own, I have my friends who share my values and I only truly care what they think, anyone who really knows me knows I always apologise when I know i've done something bad or something wrong, I am not hitler or anything, I don't physically hurt people, and nothing I do has any real emotional pain maybe just leave someone mad for a day or 2, big deal.
I like how you FoS guys are conveniently leaving out the smiley face at the end of your new favourite quote.
Clearly damage control. :D
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 06:51 PM
I like how you FoS guys are conveniently leaving out the smiley face at the end of your new favourite quote.
Clearly damage control. :D
Stop acting like you don't love me Nogard. I miss you. This is a sad face ---> :(
b2b should play komo for the rights to the name. Smiley ---> :)
KRD, are you unable to distinct between a little humorous sidekick and a dead serious sentences? You make it look like I chose a side. I did not. I clearly said IF Komo is telling the truth then, quite obviously, he has a valid point. And yes, even without all this drama b2b is not as noticeable without Komo, he WAS the major presence of your group. I mean even people inactive noticed that Komo is the main man in b2b, that should tell you a lot. On the paper you may all be equally involved in b2b and what not but you did have a passionate member that took his "position" as a "leader" very serious, even if you disagree with that.
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 12, 2012, 06:53 PMStop acting like you don't love me Nogard. I miss you. This is a sad face ---> :(
You know where to find me for some hot e-love. :-*
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 12, 2012, 06:53 PM
b2b should play komo for the rights to the name. Smiley ---> :)
That was the first thing ropa proposed too, but how would we settle on which unwritten honour rules should apply? So much effort.
Quote from: DeathInFire on December 12, 2012, 07:19 PM
KRD, are you unable to distinct between a little humorous sidekick and a dead serious sentences? You make it look like I chose a side. I did not. I clearly said IF Komo is telling the truth then, quite obviously, he has a valid point. And yes, even without all this drama b2b is not as noticeable without Komo, he WAS the major presence of your group. I mean even people inactive noticed that Komo is the main man in b2b, that should tell you a lot. On the paper you may all be equally involved in b2b and what not but you did have a passionate member that took his "position" as a "leader" very serious, even if you disagree with that.
I guess I don't understand how someone can have a valid point
if they're telling the truth, it's not obvious to me at all. Surely telling the truth is a
requirement of making valid points, parodic contexts notwithstanding.
Anyway, that was exactly the problem and the reason we grew so far apart with Komo in the end. b2b never asked for a leader, specifically asked not to have anyone bringing attention to us here on TUS all the damn time, abhorred the idea of one single member presenting their views as the views of the entire community, and he insisted on doing it anyway. That he was, as you say, a major presence, is the main reason so many of us decided that it would be healthier for everyone involved (b2b, Komo, BnG) if we parted ways until normality was restored. Something that looks less likely with every further outburst like this latest one.
Komo himself says people who equated him with b2b were dumb to do so, yet it's exactly what happened and continues to happen in this thread:
Quote from: Komito on December 12, 2012, 08:12 AM
Any other arguements on TuS had nothing to do with b2b and usually something to do with avirex just for being avirex and I am sure or at least hope people aren't too dumb to know the difference.
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 08:01 PM
Anyway, that was exactly the problem and the reason we grew so far apart with Komo in the end. b2b never asked for a leader, specifically asked not to have anyone bringing attention to us here on TUS all the damn time, abhorred the idea of one single member presenting their views as the views of the entire community, and he insisted on doing it anyway. That he was, as you say, a major presence, is the main reason so many of us decided that it would be healthier for everyone involved (b2b, Komo, BnG) if we parted ways until normality was restored. Something that looks less likely with every further outburst like this latest one.
b2b never asked for a leader? Lies, I was continously asked by various members of b2b to take control and do stuff, I never once see anyone else volunteer to do anything(by this I mean come up with ideas, dead offered to host tournaments, but didn't, other people helped out, but only because I asked or came up with ideas), almost everything that happened was my idea...(regarding community involved stuff and leagues etc)
Furthermore to the point, how the hell can you "ask for a leader" when there already was a leader and a co-leader, sure, wormf00d couldn't be bothered with it, but I always did act like a leader and really done mostly everything, anyone who can't or couldn't see that clearly wasn't paying enough attention to the WA community and League events as a whole.
It sickens me to the stomach some of you who are saying this clearly knew I was the leader some years back and had no problem admitting it.
And the last 75% of your post that I quoted just helps the statement I made that all of you should have left b2b and made your own community if that's how you feel, in my opinion, b2b wasn't "our community" it was WA and BnG's community, I was just the guy who made it worth while.
I left b2b and even if the opportunity came along to take b2b back, I don't know if I could, things have changed, my life is different now, WA's interests have changed.
If it was up to me, i'd rather everyone left b2b, made a new community and let the old honorable b2b be remembered as a whole, I don't have the time available to spend doing what I used to do, and it's obvious NONE of the remaining b2b members are interested.
Edit: I remember green telling me something like "we can't be assed with leagues and competitiveness n stuff, you need to stop trying to tell us to get involved so much" and if I had known that's how alot of b2b members really felt, seeing THEM say it for themselves instead of others claiming it's how "most of b2b feels" I honestly would have asked them all to leave, if not, kick them from b2b and told them to make their own community that they as passionate about as I was about b2b.
The way I see it:
I care about b2b from the bottom of my heart, I respected and liked each and every individual member of b2b, I obviously couldn't have done so much without them, I worked hard on building b2b, so when they started acting as if b2b was everyones when I put in the most effort and work, it pissed me off, we don't have to be in the same community to stay friends, so I offered them to leave and make their own community, I stressed the fact it should be THEM who leaves and not me, and I still stick by this, we can all be friends, but I believe b2b belongs in the hands of those who actually want to try with great effort to make BnG a better, more popular and more friendly scheme, isn't that the image I always gave? They then tried to accuse me of not caring enough about the friendships of my fellow members, accused me of holding the name "b2b" to more importance than our friendship, this is not true, I am man enough to stay friends AND part ways, it seems the rest of you are the ones who cared too much about the status of b2b to leave and do your own thing, insisting b2b was never mine in the 1st place.
But if it had ever came down to "who deserves b2b" I honestly feel I did more than anyone.(speaking about what the name stands for, not the friendship)
All I ever wanted was for you guys to realise that, give me credit for all the good times I created, all the effort I put in.
It honestly feels like "Oh goody, the stubborn bastard is gone, no one ever cared about him anyway".
Do we or do we not vote on important issues in b2b? Do we or do we not require everyone in the community to get along with someone before they're invited? Do you honestly believe kicking everyone else out of b2b would have been a more balanced solution? Who are the b2b members that always supported you in everything that you did but then failed to voice their opinion when we were talking everything over with Liam, on IRC and on forums?
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 12, 2012, 08:55 PM
Do we or do we not vote on important issues in b2b? Do we or do we not require everyone in the community to get along with someone before they're invited? Do you honestly believe kicking everyone else out of b2b would have been a more balanced solution? Who are the b2b members that always supported you in everything that you did but then failed to voice their opinion when we were talking everything over with Liam, on IRC and on forums?
Yes because me and wormf00d decided it's fair everyone has a voice, and everyone should get along, that doesn't mean it automatically gives them the rights to b2b or makes anyone else leader, maybe you should have actually asked this at least ONCE before just assuming.
I believe kicking everyone else out of b2b who didn't want to be a part of the b2b I organised, yes, it would be a more balanced solution for the better good of "b2b", you are the ones who built up this idea of "b2b is our friendship" when it wasn't the image I was building for b2b.
Even Green said before that "b2b used to be like that, but we've changed, we've evolved into something more, we're just a bunch of friends who enjoy hanging out now" or something along those lines... Funny how no one mentioned this to me as it was supposedly happening...
You say, you guys never got involved, and you wonder why everyone thinks you didn't care as much as me? I guess you should have got involved then, if you disagreed with what I had to say, you should have said so, instead of keeping your mouths shut because you are too worried about what people think.
Not everyone agrees with everything anyone says, it's funny how "when we were talking everything over with Liam, on IRC and on forums" when I wasn't around to see it...
But most members agreed with most things I done, I know they all agreed on new members, I know they all agreed with the movie, I know they all agreed with tournaments, I am sorry I don't have the proof, I am not a complete geek who screenshots everything.
i agree with pinkestranged
Quote from: ANO on December 11, 2012, 02:00 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Florida_chicken_house.jpg)
Ok, where did you find pic of CKC headquaters and why are you revealing this?
Anyway... this thread is quite long so I'll just conclude:
What's the big deal? It's just a BnG ;D.
PS. Do you guys play Angry Birds, too?
Why did you bump this thread? It was almost dead..... ???
Quote from: Bonhert on December 15, 2012, 01:34 AM
PS. Do you guys play Angry Birds, too?
Komo used to. I never even tried it. :D
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 15, 2012, 01:36 AM
Why did you bump this thread? It was almost dead..... ???
But yes, I love Angry Birds, you? Post in Gaming Central :)
Sorry for bump then :'(. I didn't look on a date and I had find the truth behind the picture.
I don't have a smartphone so I haven't tried Angry Birds. I just heard it similar to worms in some aspects ::).
Quote from: Bonhert on December 15, 2012, 09:43 AM
I don't have a smartphone so I haven't tried Angry Birds. I just heard it similar to worms in some aspects ::).
Really? I don't really see any similarities am I blind??
except of throwing nades... angrybirds is like 0.1% of what wa offers