The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
One-Boards => Schemes Comments => Topic started by: SIBASA on October 01, 2021, 01:42 PM
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Looks funny, I like it
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Host a cup with it
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agree, this looks cool : ) luck AND bit of skill needed as well
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Why the dotted map though? Don't you think it would work better if there were only start/finish and the middle was just empty space?
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Nice scheme, nice idea. Yes, we must think about a map that has stf or something...
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Why the dotted map though? Don't you think it would work better if there were only start/finish and the middle was just empty space?
It was a direct Inspiration of Comet Dodging scheme, and I think the dots provide a sense of obstacle to maneuver around, plus the damage radius from the comet hitting the dots can push worms off. Although the dots aren't necessary for the scheme. though, I have played an open map with a couple of checkpoints and it works well too.
I have tried big map and super wide map of 696x10400 but it is not the same because the Armageddon becomes less concentrated and more divided. This results in less risk, excitement and reward. If however someone could be clever enough to make something that could work at a slightly bigger res than the standard one I am all for it.
Also the checkpoints are there to provide a sense of urgency to complete before finishing the map. Otherwise people could just fly over and under the map.
Thanks people for casting your excitement on this. I just want this to be perfect for everyone :)
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Why the dotted map though? Don't you think it would work better if there were only start/finish and the middle was just empty space?
You cannot be hit by Armageddon while using Jetpack, this scheme needs dots:
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I made a map for this scheme:
https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/map-18909/
4 check points between starts and finish
Before you reach the finish line, you need to touch 4 checkpoints in turn. This will set a specific trajectory so that the player cannot just fly over the top to the finish line.
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Very similar, or maybe same idea of one by TheMadCharles in 2016
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2104/
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Very similar, or maybe same idea of one by TheMadCharles in 2016
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2104/
Yeah but this is made by ZaR! So it's different!
For real though, it's hard to keep track of what already exists!
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For real though, it's hard to keep track of what already exists!
Coincidences may happen and it is hard to keep track among thousands of schemes, yes. But, I'm reuniting the most unique ideas and several interesting variations in one page called Scheme ideas. If Kradie looked up the page, he would find that TMC's scheme is there. Also if he used the search one single time in TUS he would find TMC's scheme. He could also ask to someone who knows a lot about schemes, like Run, Bloopy, sbs or members of PoC community. It wouldn't take much time.
Edit: even if he used the search in WMDB he could find TMC's map of this idea.
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I never used WMDB, I am strictly a TUS man only. I did search for comet dodging here on TUS scheme with extreme eagerness and believe it or not I did not find any. However now that I have done another search and I have found the scheme by TMC and I was shocked. If I knew this I would probably not have made THIS. If TMC and TMC's sympathizer feel robbed by the CDR Idea I am sorry IT was not the Intent.
But on the bright side, this is anther variation of CDR and I will probably think of a new name approprierte to this version. We should also be happy that this scheme is revitalized too because it is a joy at times to play.
Also as I mentioned on scheme page here, I did play something similar I tested out with rubberworm back in 2016 but shot it down fast.
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what if the dots are colors or little numbers instead, so the jetpack has a road to follow while avoiding the explosions?
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what if the dots are colors or little numbers instead, so the jetpack has a road to follow while avoiding the explosions?
Very Interesting Idea. Like star constellation! Starry maps, follow a path :) But... To avoid meteors and their explosion is unavoidable and that's the Idea. It is a luck-based scheme.
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I have taken the liberty to update the scheme page for this scheme. Please read thank you.
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Let's just say that we are starting to run out of possible combinations
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Let's just say that we are starting to run out of possible combinations
Everything with Armageddon and Jet isn't copyrighted to TMC. ADR is different and more frantic and fun. Do I need to state the obvious?`
Also, I have Included your scheme on this page, no need for this sort of behavior.
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ergh, not really, we (as PoC) really got to the point where attempting to brainstorm everything makes us think that every time we think of a new concept, we are actually replicating a more well-known scheme, and we got there at 3721 times
I'm sure FoxHound and/or STRGRN will be able to elaborate on this further
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ergh, not really, we (as PoC) really got to the point where attempting to brainstorm everything makes us think that every time we think of a new concept, we are actually replicating a more well-known scheme, and we got there at 3721 times
I'm sure FoxHound and/or STRGRN will be able to elaborate on this further
You do realize there are tons of variation of many schemes such of Roping schemes? Shopper and Roper are prime examples. I hear no one complaining and pointing fingers where a new Shopper scheme releases. These variation can be applied to real life too such as races: Running, obstacle course, car race, motorcycle race, and more. Heck even most consumer goods people buy from day to day is a variation of something and I hear no one rising up to the occasion and claim it was theirs. Plus Asteroid Dodge Race is like an obstacle course, not your typical race.
I think maybe that PoC sees themselves as sole authority of new and old schemes, and how they are distributed. I see myself as a passionate player who tries at times to make something new and exciting for the game, but later to learn it had a copyright by Monopoly of Schemes PoC. Should people consult the PoC community per Ideas people may have before attempting to put it together without the fear of plagiarism? Because I certainly don't want to waste my time, I just rather make good schemes for people to enjoy, and if they get popular then that's super awesome.
Now I see Korydex ALT+F4, very similar to my own Lucky Strike and Active Strike, and I made a comment there for laughs but no one cares. Because no one should care at the end of the day.
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Now I see Korydex ALT+F4, very similar to my own Lucky Strike and Active Strike, and I made a comment there for laughs but no one cares. Because no one should care at the end of the day.
AF4 was made by KRD. Also there were many similar schemes before Lucky Strike, read here: https://worms2d.info/Alt-F4#Similar_ideas
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PoC is not a monopoly. Every new scheme made is based on previous ideas. You have the right to create any scheme you want, but the point is that searching if someone created already a scheme is always better than releasing something very similar without crediting the previous one.
If you are constantly creating schemes very similar to others, people may think you're doing the same unscrupulous behavior of Thomas Edison, who patented many inventions of other people like Nikola Tesla in his name. It might not be your intention, but people may think this, since you did at least 2 schemes very similar to the ones by TheMadCharles.
If you see someone had the same idea of yours, you can rather choose to promote that scheme, create your own variation of that idea, referencing the original and saying the differences or simply give up the idea, since it already exists.
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PoC is not a monopoly. Every new scheme made is based on previous ideas. You have the right to create any scheme you want, but the point is that searching if someone created already a scheme is always better than releasing something very similar without crediting the previous one.
You know know that I do not go to other external sites to look up other people's schemes, just here on TUS I do this.
It might not be your intention, but people may think this, since you did at least 2 schemes very similar to the ones by TheMadCharles.
Similar? Is that a problem? ZaR is similar to Roper and W2Roper, but none are complaining, perhaps some used to, even now? But It persisted through passion for the scheme throughout the years and was flourished as a result. If people start to point fingers on every new things, shouting in chords in the name of theft and deceit, there will be no possibility of expansion, no greatness and no revitalization of the scheme, even if it is in a better or worse condition. I bet you know tons of schemes that are unique and original, but has been forgotten and abandoned, but deserves more. If one day I come up with an Idea similar to those, You would only repeat the finger pointing I am guessing.
This to me seem like a battle of ego than to provide a complete scheme experience to the public.
Don't you worry, you and TMC will get all the accolades and fanfares but not for Chaos Collect because there is barely any resemblance to CDR except Jet + Activating Armageddon. However if you can sit there, explain the difference, and defend TMC honor I am all ear.
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Chaos Collect is a different idea, it is original enough idea. Asteroid Dodge Race is almost the same as Comet Dodging Race by TMC. You also created months ago a roper-like scheme with girder very similar to a TMC scheme called BuildConv.
Most of your schemes are variations of existing schemes and you don't mention the schemes sometimes. Imagine if someone create now a scheme that has only zook and rope and is played on a cave map instead of a standard roper map and this person doesn't mention ZaR. The scheme name being something completely different like "no safety" and ignoring ZaR schemes. Wouldn't you complain or feel that this person could have credited ZaR? I would feel uncomfortable seeing someone posting a scheme 90% similar to mine without mentioning my scheme.
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Chaos Collect is a different idea, it is original enough idea. Asteroid Dodge Race is almost the same as Comet Dodging Race by TMC. You also created months ago a roper-like scheme with girder very similar to a TMC scheme called BuildConv.
Most of your schemes are variations of existing schemes and you don't mention the schemes sometimes. Imagine if someone create now a scheme that has only zook and rope and is played on a cave map instead of a standard roper map and this person doesn't mention ZaR. The scheme name being something completely different like "no safety" and ignoring ZaR schemes. Wouldn't you complain or feel that this person could have credited ZaR? I would feel uncomfortable seeing someone posting a scheme 90% similar to mine without mentioning my scheme.
_Well when you put it like that it makes sense and I can understand and sympathize with TMC. However, if someone did make CaveZaR (how you described it), and changed name I would point out it as rebranding. But I could rebrand ADR to CDR 2 though, not so sure about Girder Shopper.
CDR you don't pass through checkpoints, settings are a bit different, and the map is super wide which makes Armageddon's density Ineffektive and less chaotic. Plus there are rest pads? Or checkpoints? The map in replay, you can basically risk flying over.. The checkpoints in my version forces players to clear them before touching finish. The map is small, and there's more friction for worms. I do acknowledge he released scheme first, but I can confess to myself my version is slightly more refined and added tasks that makes it a bit different or more complete.
His version of BuildConv is actually an revitalized Idea from the past where I and pavlepavle tested Girder ZaR. I am not saying he took it or anything, most likely it was just convenience. Point is is that my version ''Girder Shopper'' (GS), is much different from TMC's version. As the name applies Girder Shopper, you play on empty map, first turn girder pack, second turn and out place 1 girder, collect 1 crate (spawns more), and attack. Plus there is sudden death with water rise. It makes for a secondary game phase/mode and tactics changes drastically. So I don't see how they are that similar, just another version, a more Interesting version but that alone is a different topic anyway.
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Most of your schemes are variations of existing schemes and you don't mention the schemes sometimes. Imagine if someone create now a scheme that has only zook and rope and is played on a cave map instead of a standard roper map and this person doesn't mention ZaR. The scheme name being something completely different like "no safety" and ignoring ZaR schemes. Wouldn't you complain or feel that this person could have credited ZaR? I would feel uncomfortable seeing someone posting a scheme 90% similar to mine without mentioning my scheme.
ZaR isn't even an original scheme, it is the combination of a few previously existing ideas, everything in ZaR has been done before, back when WA had 10-50x the amount of people who loved playing Roper, the scheme just wasn't enjoyed as much as normal roper.
There is nothing wrong with ZaR, my only problem was when he was trying to take all the credit for it's creation instead of admitting the truth that he simply combined previously existing ideas:
Though, in hindsight he has admitted to this later on, which is fine.
Remixing is an essential part of being creative.
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Wow :o
I'll have to add this to Wheel of Fortune cup next time. Very cool and wild at the same time lol