I used the word abuse because I've seen it being used in this context in other games as well. I guess people use it intentionally to make the use of something sound bad.
That is a good point, and essentially the reason why people use it, however that's the exact reason I don't like it, they are using a specific word intentionally to make something out as if it is universally bad. Not just that they personally think it's bad, but that everyone should think it's bad, and that's immoral in my opinion.
The problem is, this sort of issue can lead to new players being misinformed, if 2 new players join a game of 4 good players and those good players are using this term "Turn Order Abuse" and "Telecow is bad" etc, those 2 players are going to think this is normal, then those 2 player might introduce some friends and pass this on, and before you know it we have dozens of players who have been misinformed.
Even worse, now because their time has been invested into believing something it's going to be much more difficult to correct that misconception because it's a psychologically known phenomena that it's harder to help someone change their opinion or belief the longer they have had it.
Which is why it's so difficult to reveal the truth and natural state in things like racism, homophobia, fear and even simple silly ideas like the earth is flat in grown adults(but not impossible!).
Now, in my eyes, I don't care if even 50% of all Hysteria players think it's bad to use turn order manipulation, pile worms, suicide with jetpack or teleport etc. My problem is and always has been people spreading lies and misinformation about it. There are no rules in Hysteria and I don't like people acting like there is without making it clear that their preference is not the standard/classic scheme settings/rules.
Yep! I was only commenting the argument that it happens in other schemes too, claiming that there is a difference in how much it happens. I didn't mean to say that it makes the scheme broken or anything.
You didn't actually say the scheme was broken and I apologize I did mean to say that in my last post but I forgot, but this is what I was going to write about that:
I know you didn't say the scheme was broken, but when I say that, it is aimed at anyone who does, not any specific individual.
Yeah but turn rotation abuse in Hysteria is overwhelming and also easier to execute. In Elite teleports and mobility are limited. In Intermediate you have worm selects. In Team17 you have worm select and you can group your worms before the SD starts.
Personally speaking I don't think it's any easier in Hysteria than any other scheme, maybe rope because you need physical skills there at times to actually reach in time.
But in Intermediate, Elite, Team17, it's not exactly hard to click a button and teleport to pile another worm, which is why it's just as easy in Hysteria as it is Elite/Intermediate etc. You could actually argue it is more challenging to execute a pile in Hysteria because you have only 1 second to aim and click to do it.
As for maintaining worm order manipulation and getting the most out of it, I honestly think it comes down to an individual players intelligence and mechanical abilities, regardless of the scheme.
I would probably agree with you if you said something like:
"Piling is an almost expected tactic in Hysteria, which people will sacrifice their worms in order to get that worm order manipulation, whereas in other schemes it's usually a last resort kind of thing that a player will never try to put themselves in a position of being behind in order to achieve it."
Would you say that the above is a more accurate description of what you are trying to say? Which also, I think is one of the biggest nuances people have with the whole strategy, is the fact that people can, and some will usually sacrifice their worms immediately just to get into that situation and it annoys a lot of people.
I even understand why it annoys people, it's been discussed many times over the years, they think it's stupid a that a valid strategy would be to kill off 3 of your worms immediately, but I think the problem isn't the scheme, it's a persons mentality and their perspective.
It's not the schemes fault they don't like it. Just like when people hide on top in Roper you just have to deal with it.
By "easier to execute" I was literally referring to the tools you have / don't have in Hysteria compared to some other schemes. And you seemed to question that comment.
I think i've cleared that up now with the last quote reply.
It is my opinion, that your opinion is ridiculous, far-fetched, and pathetic, why is that so bad?
I don't know, that sounds a bit disrespectful to me..?
Sorry if I disrespected you.
I explained why those words were specifically picked and I don't see them as disrespectful, in future I will try and use a different approach if we ever have this kind of conversation again.
Yes, it was an extreme simplification where I cut everything that happens before that stage because many games seem to lead to that same situation.
See, you should have said that at the time.
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