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One-Boards => Schemes => Topic started by: TheKomodo on July 25, 2018, 08:06 PM
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Magnus, I watched the best Mole Shopper player play a dozen games, i'm quite happy with my judgement on how much luck is in the scheme thanks, your ability to judge luck is irrelevant to me.
I also have 19 years of experience with this game, i'm quite confident in what I say. (And yes, it's just a joke)
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Magnus, I watched the best Mole Shopper player play a dozen games, i'm quite happy with my judgement on how much luck is in the scheme thanks, your ability to judge luck is irrelevant to me.
I also have 19 years of experience with this game, i'm quite confident in what I say. (And yes, it's just a joke)
Your 19 years of experience with the game is irrelevant if professional Mole Shopper gameplay isn't included in that experience. Skunk said the same with his years of experience, and I could understand why he fails to comprehend the scheme when we played, something I still intend to explain when I have more time. It doesn't matter if you have 30 years of experience with math; you'll never be able to teach physics unless you learn IT instead of everything else! I'm also confident in what I say in regards to this scheme.
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Prepare 40$ magnus. That's how we roll here.
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Magnus let me explain something about common sense.
Assuming you've never experienced letting go of objects and falling.
As a human, we're very clever if we pay attention and focus:
Someone hands you an object, they tell you to hold it out at arms length and drop it and observe how long it takes to reach the ground.
They then hand you another object, it's heavier, they explain to you because it is heavier, it will fall faster because of gravity, you let go and indeed it falls faster, you remember this.
They then give you an object, lighter than the 1st object, they explain because it is lighter, it will fall slower, you let go, it falls slower, you remember this.
Then they give you the last object, they ask you to feel it, judge it's weight and explain what you think will happen.
Any person with the ability to remember physics, movement, routines, etc, can judge a Mole Shopper if they have a lot of experience with WA because it doesn't actually have anything new, it's simply a combination of already existing materials, to understand this simple concept, I highly recommend you watch this:
Also, Magnus, it IS just a joke lol, i've already said I think Mole is a skilled scheme and all that, but this is all just because of Zalo, you maybe just don't get it.
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Magnus let me explain something about common sense.
Assuming you've never experienced letting go of objects and falling.
As a human, we're very clever if we pay attention and focus:
Someone hands you an object, they tell you to hold it out at arms length and drop it and observe how long it takes to reach the ground.
They then hand you another object, it's heavier, they explain to you because it is heavier, it will fall faster because of gravity, you let go and indeed it falls faster, you remember this.
They then give you an object, lighter than the 1st object, they explain because it is lighter, it will fall slower, you let go, it falls slower, you remember this.
Then they give you the last object, they ask you to feel it, judge it's weight and explain what you think will happen.
Any person with the ability to remember physics, movement, routines, etc, can judge a Mole Shopper if they have a lot of experience with WA because it doesn't actually have anything new, it's simply a combination of already existing materials,
Actually, objects falling don't have to do with weight:
I sure get what you're trying to say, but again, I'm sorry to inform you, judging Mole Shopper just with that isn't enough comprehended it because it differs A LOT from Intermediate/Elite in terms of strategy, a concept some of you guys have a twisted idea about. And you're wrong: there sure are "new things" as there are things you don't see in other schemes; things you can't notice until you're actually playing it at a high level. An amateur isn't able to understand the depth of a chess game being played by a grandmaster just by watching it. And as I said, I played with skunk and read his analysis of how he saw the game first hand, so I can tell exactly where he fails to see the scheme from the right perspective, and it's the same case with you. I am willing to explain all of this, so just give me some more days so I can have the proper time to do it. For the time being, let's put this discussion on the wait.
Also, Magnus, it IS just a joke lol, i've already said I think Mole is a skilled scheme and all that, but this is all just because of Zalo, you maybe just don't get it.
Ye, but saying that and at the same time saying it's less strategic than Intermediate is something very worrying.
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An amateur isn't able to understand the depth of a chess game being played by a grandmaster just by watching it.
You don't see grandmaster turning his back on first opponent and running away.
Pls stop with glorifying this scheme. It's not even funny anymore. No one thinks that way except couple of you ppl.
All this fun is in a good nature and well deserved. It will be forgotten soon.
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An amateur isn't able to understand the depth of a chess game being played by a grandmaster just by watching it.
You don't see grandmaster turning his back on first opponent and running away.
Zalo wasn't afraid of Daina. You know very well he turned down the challenge for another reason. I'm not Zalo, so I'm not responsible for his acts, but he may do whatever he wants. I'm not here to judge his actions. Daina could practice as much as she wants and challenge me in 5 games that wouldn't make a difference.
Pls stop with glorifying this scheme. It's not even funny anymore. No one thinks that way except couple of you ppl.
Because there is a bunch of ignorants who only had a first glance on it and failed to notice its worth and potential, leaving the scheme unexplored.
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TheKomodo, it's proved that bodies with a different weight and identical height fall to the ground at the same time. Teach the physicist.
Magnus, here nobody loves the scheme mole shopper because of her popularity. And also players who are invincible in a certain scheme. In this case i mean Zalo.
It usual human envy. Don't prove anything. It's senseless. I was convinced in it by own experience.
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Magnus, here nobody loves the scheme mole shopper because of her popularity. And also players who are invincible in a certain scheme. In this case i mean Zalo.
It usual human envy. Don't prove anything. It's senseless. I was convinced in it by own experience.
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I agree, Darmin, although I don't believe in something such as "invincible in a scheme". It's all a matter of practice and knowledge. When you master a scheme, you may both win and lose against someone of similar level. In that final Intermediate championship between Mablak and Chuvash, Chuvash won 4-3, but it's not like it was impossible for Mablak to win.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that... Jesus that's a bad one, I even saw Vsauce explain that! :D
I mean, in my head I wasn't thinking about different weight, same mass, I was thinking like, a feather, a brick, a ball etc, so my point still stands, albeit i'll admit I forgot about that physics thing, whatever lol.
Well, you still get the principle behind what I was saying right?
People like myself, Sensei, Sbaffo, pretty much everyone here actually, we've played this game for so long and know how all the weapons work, with various power settings.
For people like us, knowing WA inside out, and learning Mole Shopper, is like learning how to paint, then being asked to do it with a different shape of brush...
Honestly I see Mole Shopper as more repetitive than anything, it's mostly the same weapons being used.
In fact the only good things I saw Zalo do, isn't because Zalo is smart, because his opponents were dumb and not paying attention.
He's even won a few games simply because of having a stronger weapon in his crates at the right moment, COUGH COUGH luck COUGH.
Things like, opening up to force the other player to come to him, which they do, then they get killed, it's completely dumb, Zalo thinks he's a genius for this...
Zalo is not invincible, he actually loses a lot of games, just seems to win Bo5 a lot, and that's against noobs... No wonder he got scared of daina.
Zalo did NOT run away because of the gif I posted, because worse things were already said before that gif and he still stuck around.
If you actually believe him Magnus, you must be a bigger fool than Zalo, think about it, I actually had nothing to do with the challenge that Zalo started, it was a game between Zalo & daina, they could easily host by themselves or let someone else stream, if Zalos problem was ONLY with me, then he would still play, but he used it as an excuse to avoid playing daina, anybody who defends him is a fool.
It's like me saying i'm the best in the world at saying hello to every single individual item in my house, just because nobody else wants to... Doesn't make me special or anything lol.
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People like myself, Sensei, Sbaffo, pretty much everyone here actually, we've played this game for so long and know how all the weapons work, with various power settings.
Again, this kind of knowledge is irrelevant to comprehend Mole. We’re talking about Mole strategies here; not weapon usage in various power settings.
For people like us, knowing WA inside out, and learning Mole Shopper, is like learning how to paint, then being asked to do it with a different shape of brush...
Sure, and you don’t even need that many years of experience. But now you’re saying “learning Mole Shopper”. We were talking about “understanding the Mole strategies in depth” just a moment ago...
Honestly I see Mole Shopper as more repetitive than anything, it's mostly the same weapons being used.
LOL! That’s my words exactly for Intermediate. Always being restricted to the very same weaponry is just what made me get sick and tired of that scheme. In Mole, the weapon combination you pick always varies, and you also have more weapon variety.
In fact the only good things I saw Zalo do, isn't because Zalo is smart, because his opponents were dumb and not paying attention.
Seems like you need to see games with someone of his level or at least close to it.
And it’s also funny how you say that. You say it as if whenever you were watching Zalo play, you could detect every single mistake his opponents did. If you are so aware of these attention mistakes in the game, I guess you would never be ambushed in a game against Zalo, right? Here you talk just like skunk, as if everything there was so clear and easy to do...
He's even won a few games simply because of having a stronger weapon in his crates at the right moment, COUGH COUGH luck COUGH.
This depends on the game really, and also on his opponent’s move choices. Skunk got raped with 3 clusters in our game, but that was due to his bad playing, hence removing the possibility that I got lucky. It’s like I said before: noobs can’t complain about luck until they become grandmasters to actually become able to conclude that they did the best possible move choices, and they can’t technically fail too. If even then they lose to some luck factor, then we can talk about it.
Things like, opening up to force the other player to come to him, which they do, then they get killed, it's completely dumb, Zalo thinks he's a genius for this...
Here again you’re talking like skunk did before, talking very superfically about some... well, in this case in particular, I couldn’t even call it a tactic from the way you described it, but there are proper ways to do that, which then turns into one. Anyhow, the player on top might not be safe as you think if done properly. And also notice you’re analysing JUST this “tactic” (let’s call it that, whatever) by itself without any scenario in consideration... you just can’t do that. It’s not every time you’ll want to open up, along with many other moves in Mole which can bring you benefits in the game, but if used in the wrong moment, they turn into disadvantage. You can’t just analyse that one tactic, but take the entire game into consideration, otherwise there is no sense analysing it.
Zalo is not invincible, he actually loses a lot of games, just seems to win Bo5 a lot, and that's against noobs... No wonder he got scared of daina.
I agree he’s not invincible, even in bo5 considering our past. But you say against noobs? Where did you take that from?
Daina is light-years behind us. Stop joking on that!
Zalo did NOT run away because of the gif I posted, because worse things were already said before that gif and he still stuck around.
Who are you to say? He clearly said it was because of it. I think he’s just saturated of people who misunderstand his intentions if you asked me.
If you actually believe him Magnus, you must be a bigger fool than Zalo, think about it, I actually had nothing to do with the challenge that Zalo started, it was a game between Zalo & daina, they could easily host by themselves or let someone else stream, if Zalos problem was ONLY with me, then he would still play, but he used it as an excuse to avoid playing daina, anybody who defends him is a fool.
I would also have taken the gif as a friendly joke, but he didn’t. I never participated in these forums before, but it didn’t take long to realize how toxic things around here are. He might have just become intoxicated since it seems it’s not enough to have documentedly proved he’s n1 in a scheme with so many victories that there will be people who will just come by to degrade his achievements, saying “ah, that’s nothing”... Imagine you become n1 in a scheme and then someone said that to you. Not so cool, eh?
And yes, I do believe him, because from what I know very well from him, he takes evidential stuff a lot more into consideration than words. I’m even the opposite of him on that, but you like it or not, you can’t deny his Mole standings.
It's like me saying i'm the best in the world at saying hello to every single individual item in my house, just because nobody else wants to... Doesn't make me special or anything lol.
I wonder how many players you’re disrespecting with these words.
PS: I do not mean to offend skunk in any way just because I mentioned him here. I only made reference to him to show that Komodo did the same analysis mistakes. I noticed he’s actually a very nice guy who in fact took his effort trying to get the scheme, and I’m proud of him. But don’t worry, skunk, I’ll clear your view on it some day when I have more time, as I know exactly where you failed to recognize the worth in the scheme. I see you have future in Mole.
Well, see you guys after a couple of days.
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Ok Magnus, if that knowledge is irrelevant to comprehend Mole, try playing Mole without using ANY of that knowledge.
To be honest, most of what Mole shopper is, making the most out of the weapons you collect, having experience and knowledge how to use all weapons.
As well as planning what you can do in the available time, planning your moves ahead, assuming what your opponent will do, and have various backup plans/counter attack plans.
Knowing tricks and tips such as using girder to judge distance of mole, is helpful as well, but this is knowledge easy to obtain.
The most important thing in Mole shopper, is spotting/creating opportunities and having the knowledge/experience to pull them off, which is no different from any other strategic scheme.
That's basically it, but you have to wait and see what crates you can collect and what is in them, hence, luck, because 2 equal players the crates will more often than not dictate who wins, there is a limit to what the player can control, they cannot control crates.
You can act like Mole Shopper has some incredible tactics the universe has never saw before, but you're wrong.
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He clearly said it was because of it. I think he’s just saturated of people who misunderstand his intentions if you asked me.
Wut? lf ppl misunderstand his intentions, how will quitting a challenge help to that?
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Skunk got raped with 3 clusters in our game, but that was due to his bad playing, hence removing the possibility that I got lucky.
Because him being bad and the opponent being lucky is mutually exclusive?
It’s like I said before: noobs can’t complain about luck until they become grandmasters
"people can't complain that shit tastes bad until they eat a ton of it"
LOL!
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My support is all for my moleymates.
I don't get your point of view at all Komo. You're all for innovation and allowing new schemes in. Yet at the same time you want to strip these schemes to make them..... like Anchored BnG lol
I've had this in my profile for ages:
HHC's wormy gospel:
Schemes oughta be:
1) complete - no 2-weapon games, but schemes that make use of as many weapons as possibly can without f*ckin up the game balance.
2) competitive - noob can stand somewhat of a chance vs the pro's.
3) easy to understand - no long lists of houserules and unwritten cheapness laws.
4) challenging and unpredictable (!).
5) FUN
The current scheme-issues are the fault of the players who keep on urging for more 'skill-based' play.
They have stripped every scheme to its very core and removed all things that could make it 'unpredictable'.
The logical result: 1) 2-weapon games; 2) not competitive; 3) hard to understand; 4) no-fun; 5) predictable > the ultimate boredom.
I have spoken, let it be heard!
I'm gonna be bold and say that it's people like you who are partly, if not mostly, to blame for the league's current sad state.
Had the veterans be more open to new wormers and their schemes and implement the much needed reforms, maybe, maybe we would have a thriving league now.
But nop, it's still 3 players doing the same ol' boring classic schemes that nobody on wormnet plays.
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Well yes HHC, I am partly to blame, as are you, and everybody else who is inactive and doesn't actually play Leagues anymore.
It's ok if you don't get my point of view btw, you prefer games with luck, I don't, so of course our views will be different.
Also your quote isn't exactly accurate is it?
We haven't stripped every scheme to it's core, most schemes that exist haven't changed since they were created, maybe the odd change here and there but nothing that dramatically changes the scheme or makes it feel any different from it's original form.
The only 2 weapon game I know of, is rope race schemes with parachute and ninja rope, even bungee has a fake weapon.
Every scheme that exists is competitive, maybe except Comet Dodgin lol, unless you like gambling on luck?
I don't find any scheme hard to understand, anything anybody thinks is too hard to understand, i'd say the presentation is boring, or the scheme is boring and it's not worth their time, there is definitely no scheme that's too hard to understand, especially when translated into other languages flawlessly.
I don't know any scheme where absolutely nobody finds fun, so that's bullsh*t.
Well, yeah there are schemes that are predictable, I guess that's right, but well a lot of schemes are, some people like that, some people don't.
I am open to new schemes, I just don't like Mole Shopper, if people vote for that, and it becomes a thing, fine, I just won't play lol, I can accept that :)
Edit - Actually I have an idea... Instead of us claiming to know what people want, why don't we come together as a collective, and go out recording interviews and question the public community, ask them what they would like to see in a League? We could ask Deadcode/Cybershadow to code something into Wnet with a link to fill out a questionaire asking them a quick few questions why they play WA and if they would like to take part in competitive ranked games, and if so, which schemes would they like to see, which kind of league system would they enjoy?
Then we could actually have some f**king results to work on?
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*grabs popcorn*
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At least Zalo "created" sth.! A movement of sorts a huge discussion a thought process a flame war. Zalo did it. Zalo created the modern Komodo if you'd like.
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I don't think Mole is a lucky scheme.
Between Zalo and daiNa, I was rooting for Zalo.
daiNa has proven herself a lot in the past. Even if she would lose 5-0 to Zalo, nothing would change about her "image". But on the other hand, Zalo had a great opportunity to prove himself (and moleshopper scheme). Zalo wasn't offended by Komo's gif. He has had worse fights in these forums. Komo's gif was clearly an excuse for him to bail because it was the only available excuse he could grab. Whatever the reason was, he chose the worst moment to quit his own challenge. The whole challenge idea was boosting the mole scheme but it backfired. Shame.
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I don't think Mole is a lucky scheme.
Between Zalo and daiNa, I was rooting for Zalo.
daiNa has proven herself a lot in the past. Even if she would lose 5-0 to Zalo, nothing would change about her "image". But on the other hand, Zalo had a great opportunity to prove himself (and moleshopper scheme). Zalo wasn't offended by Komo's gif. He has had worse fights in these forums. Komo's gif was clearly an excuse for him to bail because it was the only available excuse he could grab. Whatever the reason was, he chose the worst moment to quit his own challenge. The whole challenge idea was boosting the mole scheme but it backfired. Shame.
Yeah, but isn't he young? He can bounce back from this.
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I don't think he's that young. But, whatever the age.. You don't back off from your word.
It's a bad taste.
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I was actually rooting for Zalo as well.
Up until he said he wants nothing to do with me, and then refused to play daina, I was showing both Zalo & Mole Shopper scheme a lot of support...
People think i'm just mocking Zalo etc, but a part of me actually hurts that something this lame happened within this community, yeah a lot of us got a laugh out of it, but man... This is sad something like this happens to us, we all got f**ked over and fell for his bullsh*t.
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I was actually rooting for Zalo as well.
Up until he said he wants nothing to do with me, and then refused to play daina, I was showing both Zalo & Mole Shopper scheme a lot of support...
People think i'm just mocking Zalo etc, but a part of me actually hurts that something this lame happened within this community, yeah a lot of us got a laugh out of it, but man... This is sad something like this happens to us, we all got f**ked over.
"This is sad something like this happens to us" but you made a entire map mocking the whole situation, way to go.
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Laughter is a way to deal with things that otherwise could make you feel negative, some of us enjoyed it.
Cmon sock I thought you were smarter than this, we get the point you don't like it ok, but guess what, I don't care if you don't like it lol, feel free to ignore me on these forums with the option in your profile, let's leave it at that.
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Laughter is a way to deal with things that otherwise could make you feel negative, some of us enjoyed it.
Cmon sock I thought you were smarter than this, we get the point you don't like it ok, but guess what, I don't care if you don't like it lol, feel free to ignore me on these forums with the option in your profile, let's leave it at that.
I think laughter is the best medicine. But laughing at someone who is really good at a scheme that is kind of unknown to older players that has a really lot of pressure on him to perform is just not funny to me. People make mistakes, people don't show up to work on time. I never cared if you don't care if i don't like it. LOL. I will feel free to ignore you on these forums if i wanted to. :P
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We never put the pressure on him, he put the pressure on himself, HE created the challenge, HE made the claims of being the best, HE openly said Random00 and Mablak aren't even that good!
Do you even know wtf happened here sock? Or as usual focus on ME instead of the actual f**king subject?
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We never put the pressure on him, he put the pressure on himself, HE created the challenge, HE made the claims of being the best, HE openly said Random00 and Mablak aren't even that good!
Do you even know wtf happened here sock? Or as usual focus on ME instead of the actual f**king subject?
You never made a mistake when you were his age? I focus on you because you should know better by now.
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I don't think he's that young. But, whatever the age.. You don't back off from your word.
It's a bad taste.
It might of been in bad taste, but cut him some slack. "But, whatever the age... You don't back off from your word." That is pretty harsh man, don't you think?
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He went full arrogant by saying all that crap and putting his own money as challenge, at the end he ran away and hasn't showed up since then. His own words backlashed him, this was all deserved, and i feel perfectly Komo, being the only one actually supporting him and giving him a chance before being used as a "scapegoat" lol.
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He went full arrogant by saying all that crap and putting his own money as challenge, at the end he ran away and hasn't showed up since then. His own words backlashed him, this was all deserved, and i feel perfectly Komo, being the only one actually supporting him and giving him a chance before being used as a "scapegoat" lol.
Yeah, and Komodo supported him, but I think he put too much effort into trying to humiliate him afterwards. I don't think this is a message we should be sending to newer players wanting to get in on the community
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You can root for Zalo all that you want. But facts are facts and if you dont know what actually happened and believe Zalo you are a naive human being.
Taner has beaten him in his best scheme one day before and he knows im better than taner, he got scared and started to making up excuses one day before the challengue. And btw he actually showed up that day on ag and claimed he was drunk. thats a 15 years old excuse hahaha but ok keep believing those lame excuses
I dont know what would of happen but i practiced 3 days he knew that and he still didnt want to face me after all of this
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"But, whatever the age... You don't back off from your word." That is pretty harsh man, don't you think?
It's harsh to expect ppl to stick to their words? Are you trolling now or you're serious? :)
Maybe my line "Whatever the age" you took too literall.
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daiNa - I don't know you as a player in WA, but i with pleasure will play with you in the league in mole shopper scheme.
P.S. At the first opportunity. See you soon in the game.
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You can root for Zalo all that you want. But facts are facts and if you dont know what actually happened and believe Zalo you are a naive human being.
Taner has beaten him in his best scheme one day before and he knows im better than taner, he got scared and started to making up excuses one day before the challengue. And btw he actually showed up that day on ag and claimed he was drunk. thats a 15 years old excuse hahaha but ok keep believing those lame excuses
I dont know what would of happen but i practiced 3 days he knew that and he still didnt want to face me after all of this
Ya, that sucks, waste of your time.
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"But, whatever the age... You don't back off from your word." That is pretty harsh man, don't you think?
It's harsh to expect ppl to stick to their words? Are you trolling now or you're serious? :)
Considering the circumstances, every situation is different, you can't expect someone to stick to their words all the time, life happens.
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lol I wish daina practiced for 3 days as well before facing me. That's quite an honour tbh ;D
Was this part of the deal btw? I thought it was about a random veteran being able to beat Zalo in mole with 0 experience in mole. Three days of practice... that makes daina into a fulltime moleshop player doesn't it?
(*I'm dealing good punches here atm :o*)
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You never made a mistake when you were his age? I focus on you because you should know better by now.
I don't even know what age he is, but, assuming he has a masters degree in English(cuz he told me), or so he says I can safely assume at least 18.
Not only did I make mistakes at his age, I made them in this very community lol, b2b stuff, CKC stuff, I have a big history of f@#!ups, and being ridiculed, but it's made me stronger and thicker skinned.
If you let a pussy be only a pussy, a pussy it'll always be... I just made that up, I really just wanted to say pussy a lot :D
Yeah, and Komodo supported him, but I think he put too much effort into trying to humiliate him afterwards.
You might not notice it but I put more time/effort into supporting him, than making fun, I spent about 12 hours posting here supporting him, watching his games, studying Mole Shopper, and probably only about 3-4 hours making fun of him.
This doesn't surprise me because it's how most humans act, they see more good things, and less bad things the bad things have a much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world.
I don't think this is a message we should be sending to newer players wanting to get in on the community
Well if he doesn't act like a lil b***h, he won't get treated like one.
I will openly accept anyone with open arms and give them my time and help them in any way I possibly can, I even said to a few players they could crash at my house free of cost because they were having problems financially and with their family.
You don't f**king know me at all, most of you don't, all you focus on is because I go against most of what you believe in on some f**king forums, you don't actually give a f**k if i'm a good person or not.
SO if you gonna judge me, and talk sh*t, at least make it relevant to the subject.
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You never made a mistake when you were his age? I focus on you because you should know better by now.
I don't even know what age he is, but, assuming he has a masters degree in English(cuz he told me), or so he says I can safely assume at least 18.
Not only did I make mistakes at his age, I made them in this very community lol, b2b stuff, CKC stuff, I have a big history of f@#!ups, and being ridiculed, but it's made me stronger and thicker skinned.
If you let a pussy be only a pussy, a pussy it'll always be... I just made that up, I really just wanted to say pussy a lot :D
Yeah, and Komodo supported him, but I think he put too much effort into trying to humiliate him afterwards.
You might not notice it but I put more time/effort into supporting him, than making fun, I spent about 12 hours posting here supporting him, watching his games, studying Mole Shopper, and probably only about 3-4 hours making fun of him.
This doesn't surprise me because it's how most humans act, they see more good things, and less bad things the bad things have a much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world.
I don't think this is a message we should be sending to newer players wanting to get in on the community
Well if he doesn't act like a lil b***h, he won't get treated like one.
I will openly accept anyone with open arms and give them my time and help them in any way I possibly can, I even said to a few players they could crash at my house free of cost because they were having problems financially and with their family.
You don't f**king know me at all, most of you don't, all you focus on is because I go against most of what you believe in on some f**king forums, you don't actually give a f**k if i'm a good person or not.
Well, you don't know me neither pal! And maybe I do give a $#%* if your a good person or not, you don't know that.
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You can root for Zalo all that you want. But facts are facts and if you dont know what actually happened and believe Zalo you are a naive human being.
Taner has beaten him in his best scheme one day before and he knows im better than taner, he got scared and started to making up excuses one day before the challengue. And btw he actually showed up that day on ag and claimed he was drunk. thats a 15 years old excuse hahaha but ok keep believing those lame excuses
WHAT?? ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
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"You might not notice it but I put more time/effort into supporting him, than making fun, I spent about 12 hours posting here supporting him, watching his games, studying Mole Shopper, and probably only about 3-4 hours making fun of him.
This doesn't surprise me because it's how most humans act, they see more good things, and less bad things the bad things have a much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world."
After all is said and done, you took a good thing and turned it into a bad thing, and as you say bad things have much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world. So maybe if you don't turn the good thing into a bad thing, just maybe people won't take the good things for granted.
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After all is said and done, you took a good thing and turned it into a bad thing, and as you say bad things have much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world.
While I can't argue about that from your perspective, I like a bit of banter with other players.
People have made funny bng memes making fun of me, you don't see me refusing to play anybody over them...
They were creative, topical, and funny...
What can I say, I like comedy lol.
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After all is said and done, you took a good thing and turned it into a bad thing, and as you say bad things have much bigger impact because they take good things for granted in this world.
While I can't argue about that from your perspective, I like a bit of banter with other players.
People have made funny bng memes making fun of me, you don't see me refusing to play anybody over them...
They were creative, topical, and funny...
What can I say, I like comedy lol.
I do like a bit of banter also. :) I also enjoy comedy very much.
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Well, personally, I have no hard feelings for Zalo, it's all just comedy to me, even if it wasn't Zalo, that video still makes me laugh hard, the only reason I put his name, cuz he ran from daina:D
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Not going to read the whole thread but zalo seems like a coward of the worst kind - steadfastly trying to prove a point by creating a challenge to strengthen his position then welshing on his bet.
Being drunk isn't an excuse, I've played 10's of 100's of league games drunk, find something more compelling than that, zalo.
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Not going to read the whole thread but zalo seems like a coward of the worst kind - steadfastly trying to prove a point by creating a challenge to strengthen his position then welshing on his bet.
Being drunk isn't an excuse, I've played 10's of 100's of league games drunk, find something more compelling than that, zalo.
But most importantly you don't go drunk to a challenge you've set up some days before unless you're an idiot
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Not going to read the whole thread but zalo seems like a coward of the worst kind - steadfastly trying to prove a point by creating a challenge to strengthen his position then welshing on his bet.
Being drunk isn't an excuse, I've played 10's of 100's of league games drunk, find something more compelling than that, zalo.
But most importantly you don't go drunk to a challenge you've set up some days before unless you're an idiot
Making a dumb decision and calling someone an idiot is completely different.
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Not going to read the whole thread but zalo seems like a coward of the worst kind - steadfastly trying to prove a point by creating a challenge to strengthen his position then welshing on his bet.
Being drunk isn't an excuse, I've played 10's of 100's of league games drunk, find something more compelling than that, zalo.
But most importantly you don't go drunk to a challenge you've set up some days before unless you're an idiot
Making a dumb decision and calling someone an idiot is completely different.
A dumb decision made by an idiot ;D i know sock you're trying to point out how the situation went too far and how bullied zalo got but you know what, imo bullying it's perfectly fine when the subject bullied is arrogant and cocky, you don't simply act like that and then run away like a pussy, especially when he made waste time to:
-Daina, who has been training mole for days (this is sadism, do you even play mole when you're in ag? If you actually did that, you'd realize how painful and boring it is).
-Komo: he was probably the only neutral person in this whole story, he did really spectate and analyzed hours of mole, discussed a lot about it with zalo. And then, when finally he had already set up the whole streaming, zalo turned his back on him. I would have been so much pissed, however Komo managed to turn a debacle into something creative and entertaining for his spectators: a commemorative map of the whole event n who shall not be forgotten.
-The whole community: everyone, except all the mole/zalo fanboys, has been disappointed.
Not to mention that his excuses were poorly made:
-Zalo said he was offended by the gif.. so? He could have hosted and play daina without komo streaming..?!
-He got drunk before having the challenge... Why would you get drunk before a challenge that you made on your own where you need to prove yourself and you're risking your money..?
All these things mentioned above are the reason why he's being the clown of this site at the moment, and it's totally deserved. Do you think he would have been so bullied if he had shut up from the beginning? I don't think so...
Before anyone thinks im completely against mole, i have my very own opinion regarding this scheme but i would NEVER forbid anyone to play it, anyone should play what they like mostly. What you don't is throw shit on other schemes (and players...) when you have never played them.
In conclusion that was the most coward thing i've ever seen in my whole existence on this site/game.
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we all got f**ked over and fell for his bullsh*t.
-The whole community: everyone, except all the mole/zalo fanboys, has been disappointed.
can't be disappointed if I had no hopes on him in the first place
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On the other hand we have to thank him for the whole drama and the small activity burst ;D
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Players mole shopper scheme never "pour out dirt" on other schemes.
However players of other schemes in 90% cases "pour out dirt" on the mole shopper scheme.
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Players mole shopper scheme never "pour out dirt" on other schemes.
Hearing that Intermediate with island maps and random placements , or Elite, with 20 sec used primarly for the 2x reflex roping, are strategic based just makes me burt out laughing...
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lol I wish daina practiced for 3 days as well before facing me. That's quite an honour tbh ;D
Was this part of the deal btw? I thought it was about a random veteran being able to beat Zalo in mole with 0 experience in mole. Three days of practice... that makes daina into a fulltime moleshop player doesn't it?
(*I'm dealing good punches here atm :o*)
Yes it was.
Havent played in months but give me 2 or 3 days to practice the scheme and lets do it!!!
That's the spirit!!
Win just 1 out of 5 games, and 40$ is yours. Okay?
I simply ask her to win one single round out of 5. Is that too much? Me giving her 7 days for preparation, you call excuses? wtf is wrong with you?
Three days isn't much considering Zalo said it takes years to become as good as him.. or months for Random00 to be able to beat him.
I was actually expecting Zalo to beat daiNa 5-0.. three days isn't enough unless you are some Inter/Elite god. Dunno why Zalo was so scared. I had my hopes on tita who has a bit more experience of mole and even beating Zalo. It was funny how Zalo just ignored his messages while accepting a challenge against Frutiloops :)
Edit: oh he lost to taner. That explains :D
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Was really funny first 2-3 days after he escaped and started lurking in offline mode..
Now I don't even find it that humorous, whole situation is pretty sad when you think about it. :/
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The only sad part is that Zalo now feels like he can't show his face here anymore. I agree that it was bitchlike behaviour, but really it was one decision he made (not to fight) that he has had to live with. It says very little about him as a person, just about him in that moment. There's nobody in this community who he should give so much reverence to that he should disappear forever. He probably approached the game with Taner as a joke. Playing seriously and focused he 100% would beat Daina or anyone else (except maybe Magnus) 5-0. Mole is a more skilled scheme than Komo and others are giving it credit for. Come back Zalo, show your face, and reclaim your throne as mole king.
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The only sad part is that Zalo now feels like he can't show his face here anymore. I agree that it was bitchlike behaviour, but really it was one decision he made (not to fight) that he has had to live with. It says very little about him as a person, just about him in that moment. There's nobody in this community who he should give so much reverence to that he should disappear forever. He probably approached the game with Taner as a joke. Playing seriously and focused he 100% would beat Daina or anyone else (except maybe Magnus) 5-0. Mole is a more skilled scheme than Komo and others are giving it credit for. Come back Zalo, show your face, and reclaim your throne as mole king.
I guess you have to show some backbone, i’d Totally forgotten about it, probably the only person that thinks it’s a big deal is zalo. I gave him a hard time about it because you can’t just talk in absolutes and make grand statements when frontrunning and not expect to hear about it when you disappear. I talk a lot of trash and I expect it back when I lose/fail/don’t show up. I never expected it at the time, zalo seemed pretty confident, but maybe he just thought he would lose a game and didn’t have $40?