i know it has been a lot of talking about BnG by ramone in the past and unfortunately there was not a good respond to it but i'm here to say that i really think that we need some new rules for BnG to avoid being lame in it and help everyone to learn it better.i know if we put a poll here most ppl will go for the recent bng rules and its because they just care about winning a league game and it doesnt matter to them to be lame or not.i think we must force ppl to play with the new rules,it sux at the start but its gonna be cool later :)
Well, you can always try adopting the rules we used in a Style BnG tourney in the olympics:
1) if you hit your opponent with a zook, you must hit your opponent with a grenade before you can use the bazooka again
2) for the grenades, there are 3 possible shots: normal grenade (A), lg grenade (B), grenade that's been bounced against the floor before flying off (C) (i.e. aiming down) with or without lg (though usually with lg)
If you hit your opponent with shot A, you're not allowed to attempt to do so again until you've hit him/her with shot B and C. Same applies with the other shots of course :)
Considering there's only a limited amount of teleports, this makes it very unwise to place your worm on the edge of the map or within a space that's too well covered by the map.
Give it a thought
ye its cool but i think a2b's rules were less complicated,anyway i think first we must see whats gonna happen and whats MI and the other mods think about new rules and then we set them
I'm ok with rules changes if they can improve things and prevent complaints. So post some actual ideas about what you think should be changed, be more specific, and we'll see what comes out of it.
I would forbid using 4sec nades and also it should be a rule to use a different kind of attacking method every turn (bazooka, 3sec nade, 5sec nade LG...).
The problem is, any stricter rules which would easly help the standard of the scheme and sportsmenship will be lost in translation for sure!
Try getting a zillian to understand such rules of style bng!
plenty of zillians who can speak english well that can help translate the rules, there must be at least 1 in the ones signed up here!
just think it would take some time for these rules to be learnt by the community, but i guess the rules have developed over the years anyway and people have learnt them
There is one solution that was highly discussed in the FB forums: No Rules BnG.
Weaps: Zook, Nades, Torch, Drill, Firepunch and Teleport (everything unlimited)
Rules: kill your opponent, before you're dead.
I just try to give you the most important pros and cons:
pro:
- no discussion about cows or rules in general, cause there are no rules at all.
- faster games in general
cons:
- its just not the same compared to "normal" bng, its not just about throwing nades and fireing zooks, its also about hiding and finding the easiest shot that will do the most damage and push the opponent in a bad hide
- its lame / less stylish shots in games
I personally love this scheme and I think that nrbng should replace normal bng in league games, cause I really hate discussions about style and/or rules in bng games, but I usually have them in every 2nd bng game...
So if I hit 46hp hit with 4s nade, I'm doing something lame?
If you stay on the same hide and I'm able to get the same shot next turn, I'm doing something lame?
It just can't go like that.
No rules is the only way to go.
we could make a rules/explanation for both nr and style bng, and if you have an opponent willing to play the one you want there would be written rules for it, other then that i think no matter what theres always gonna be disagreements between some players about bng
its true, we'll never be able to agree on bng.
Ive played loads of variations of bng, bng unachored for example changes the game alot.
I think the current rules are fine, you get nice games. you dont see many complaints, and normally if u have unlimited teleports and a nice map you and avoid getting cheaped and win vs cheap tactics with nice shots anyway. Or you can cheap back. whatever floats ur boat.
I think more time just needs to be used in map making to produce maps with loads of hides. Then its not such an issue if someone is lame shotting u every turn.
Discussions about bng poped out every few months over all those years of w:a leagues. We can't discover America again, AFAIK nobody succeded in making bng non-controversial so far. But I would love to give NRbng a try, it can't hurt to enable it as another option of playing bng in this league, and it would bring some more diversity.
Other than that, the rules of the regular bng DO need some reworking, imo.
EDIT: my post seems a bit obsolete since Chicken was faster for a minute :)
w2 played bng with no rules now for ever. Not one argument. To me absolutely no rules is the best. 5 sec nades, sitters, and w/e.
ae dub. lol
ckc is just agains evrything that u said :D, funny
Quote from: Dub-c on January 12, 2010, 12:18 AM
w2 played bng with no rules now for ever. Not one argument. To me absolutely no rules is the best. 5 sec nades, sitters, and w/e.
Seems good !
I agree with Dub.
Well... No rules would ruins the game fun too......
No rules is good aswell, for some people.
But there should be very basic rules, what can understand by "zillians" too (As someone said).
Maybe we should set a poll ? I vote for yes to make a poll XD
Quote from: GodiTo on January 12, 2010, 01:01 PM
Well... No rules would ruins the game fun too......
No rules is good aswell, for some people.
But there should be very basic rules, what can understand by "zillians" too (As someone said).
Maybe we should set a poll ? I vote for yes to make a poll XD
w2's bng community has been playing for well over 10 years and dissagree's that bng with no rules ruins the fun. All those guys do is bng, no other schemes at all.
Quote from: beer on January 12, 2010, 12:58 AM
ae dub. lol
ckc is just agains evrything that u said :D, funny
I am my own man
nrbng already exists.
But split the ratings cus its a totally different kind of scheme. Throw in unanch too for a laugh. Its like shopper and wxw.. or rr and ttrr.. It has a totally different vibe to it and i wouldnt accept playing a nrbng if it effected my current bng rating.
Plus... just learn how to bng properly and not be cheap?
Or give unlimited teleports and a map with lots of hides and your skill should proveil against cheapness when you can move around map and curl zooks and bank grenades from protected hides that are hard to cheap.
If you define the darksiding rule properly it works too.
Ok, but what if someone plays not completely cheap, but much cheaper then you and beats you? Theres so many levels of what is cheap, what is playing properly that it doesn't work. You throw nades so they blow up on impact, the other guy throws nades so they bounce around your hide then blow. Its not a sitter, its legal. But cheap in many eyes.
What if two players are around the same skill. Who ever plays the cheapest is going to win then.
Its all stupid arguments that can not be avoided and never will be avoided no matter how much you try to define the rules.
That's right Dub-c. I can tell in all of my BnG games, I played cheap in many eyes. This argument seems never end. obscure started this thread to add even more rules to reduce cheapness in BnG. 4sec nade, 2sec nade, zook with no wind, nowadays count as cheap shots. While if you combine every shot with lg, then it will be a nice style.
No rules = no problems.
Easiest way to make it complainless.
I would prefer "skill rules", but its hard to bring it to the whole community. There are always some "cheapers".
I vote for No-Rules-BnG.
No rules BnG with infinite Teleports ftw. I loved the games I had with KRD, Chicken and several other good BnG'ers. It's entirely different in terms of hiding-policy but erases all the bitching, really.
For a competitive league it's undoubtedly the best solution.
Should we add another scheme to the list then - NRbng, with separate rating. I would sure like to try it.
Just a thought: Someone mentioned unanchored version. Imagine a bad map, not enough hides, easy to walk around, then the player who starts teleports in the middle - that's almost like 40+ hp advantage from the start of the game. So how about shortening the turn time to say 10 seconds?
How about shortening the turn time to 5 seconds and playing with uzi and old women in your inventory? And let's also play on cave maps.
NO! BnG is like a tradition, it used to be like this since I remember. I did learn those god damn rules, others did learn, why does it cause so much trouble right now?
Yes, it is true, I don't play BnG in leagues because of the cheap players around. But again: I don't play it in leagues. If you change BnG rules, that won't attract me to play it not even a bit more. It's people's mind needed to be changed, which I believe is impossible.
Ray for president!
I think the current situation is dealable. Ive had some cheap bng league games (look at bor/ckc bng playoff and crash's attitude) but i still consider myself to have enough skill to proveil if i do get cheaped. Once again, i repeat what i said before.. Unlimited teleports, decent maps and a clearer ruler about darksiding.
You'll notice most players voting for nrbng are not dead hard bngers.. they're players looking for an easier solution to winning a league match. No offensive dark, but thats why you learnt to notch. Thats why you want nrbng.
Darksiding isnt illegal because its actually a style or a tactic, like in defaults or a hide in roper. You move to a hide which is hard to hit and you can still shot from.
What is illegal is moving to a hide where YOU CANT SHOT anyone from. It doesn't matter if its considered hard or impossible to hit you. Its about the shots you have from your hide to continue attacking your oppenent. If you do not have a shot avaliable then your breaking the rules. It should be stated that waiting for wind to be able to attack and not having a grenade shot option is the same, because that turn you can't attack as didnt get your wind is breaking the rule.
I had dead in a bng tourney try to tell me i was darksiding when i was in a pit 2 shots deep because i was hard to hit.. I could zook out, bank grenades out, and even be hit by 3sec, 4sec and lg5sec. People just need to spend abit more time bng'ing and getting to grips with it again. No changes to rules, no new variations. Just have fun.
i guess evrything is ok, stop with changes in schemes, no sence lol. aftr 10 year?;o
who dont like bng will not enjoy that only if that have no rules.
its should be like that, the good players vs the cheap player/or noob.
and its funny, some complains sometimes..
its impossible to please evryone.
we should put NRbng and style bng on the schemes list, so if players agree to play it in league they can have a scheme explanation and rules
we will never be able to force NRbng on to every1 nor style bng, just like 7 girders in t17 its an agreement between players
Quote from: WookA on January 13, 2010, 10:41 PM
we should put NRbng and style bng on the schemes list, so if players agree to play it in league they can have a scheme explanation and rules
we will never be able to force NRbng on to every1 nor style bng, just like 7 girders in t17 its an agreement between players
applaud for this. nothing more to say about it.
::: one addition :::
NRBNG is too lame,
ZillianBnG sounds pretty reasonable
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 13, 2010, 05:05 PM
You'll notice most players voting for nrbng are not dead hard bngers.. they're players looking for an easier solution to winning a league match. No offensive dark, but thats why you learnt to notch. Thats why you want nrbng.
Eh, so how exactly do you think NRBnG would help my notching? Wouldn't it rather help my opponent?
Also please don't tell me why I learned what. I learned notching on a LAN party where I met up with bolf (KiLL0r). I wasn't asking him to teach me or anything but would you have declined? It was interesting. And at no point I wasn't thinking "I need to win more league BnGs". lol
Off-topic. Sorry but I got pushed. D:
''they're players looking for an easier solution to winning a league match.'' lols
so u alwys try hard wins? even showoff in ropes?ahah mine in ropes suck, that easy win! use zooka (xDDDDDDDDDDDD) how its with elite?no sence.
eya evryone wanna win on the easy way, well, the smart ppl, ok
ps: im not agains bng the old the new, lol dnt fukign care with bng. just cheak that funny at ' players looking for an easier .. winning'
The thing is tho beer. BnG is more of a style scheme than roper. We don't have rules in roper to stop you from using mines, hiding on top, zooking/grenading a wall to earn abit of damage if you can't rope back to attack properly.
This is all smart play even tho it is considered cheap by some roper players.
For bng the rules are fine as they stand. You can be cheap and use methods to ensure you get nice damage and still play within the rules. Repeating shots for example is not illegal. You can also play nicely and still win, just like you can in roper. I dont see why a debate has been born again to remove rules from bng. This thread was started by someone who wanted to put more rules in bng. I think hes wrong. If you look at all the tus bng's played, i wonder how many has produced complaints? I doubt not many.
As for you Dark. You don't have a leg to stand on. Jigsaw and m3ntal invited notching, it spread to the old BkM guys, then sCa. Anubis and you lot used it happly in fb clanners for years, Ive seen you bng saying you won't notch and then notch a shot when the goings got tough. Anubis openly admitting he was using programes too.. I remember flamie telling me how many people cheated in fb and it was horrible. Notching and xspeed. Im not pointing a finger at you, but im sure your aware of it. That era of worms wasnt very forgiving to the regular player..nor to the reputation of your clan.
Arguing that nrbng is a good solution to prevent notching is just shit, because its still taking the style and skill level out of the scheme. People won't have to use lg and do nice shots anymore.
If nrbng is popular enough, give it its own rating, because its so different to normal bng. But to me it just seems the only people that wanna play it are a few bitter people that don't care for doing a nice shots in what once was one of the most sportsmanship schemes on wa.
I'm just saying that NRBnG is suited a lot better for leagues than the current BnG because there wouldn't be any arguments, ever.
And I've had that discussion about notching with you countless times, if you think it's cheating that's fine with me but I've got a different opinion.
Look how many things in WA can be "notched" aside from BnG shots. Dynas, Mines, HHGs.. Any kind of drop can be influenced by counting pixels. I.e. ask Dario how to "notch" a mine drop so you know where the worm is gonna fly. Aww aren't we all cheaters. :D
If anything were to blame for notching then it's the engine rather than the people "abusing" it.
I can't believe I haven't seen this topic before, sorry for the late reply.
5 months old lol
I agree with the people that want "nrbng" everyone is entitled to their opinion, hence why myself and the rest of b2b opened a2b in the 1st place to get the BnG competition we want, without what is in our opinion, lazy BnG players, because that's all nrbng is, laziness, especially in overall scheme leagues, you have to spend so much time perfecting ALL the schemes as much as possible, you don't want to spend your time learning how to be really good at BnG learning all the varieties of shots for a higher skilled more interesting game, they only want to learn enough to win as easy and fast as possible, argue all you want but there's no denying this.
And you can see the difference when you play the same person in a funner, they actually TRY all the hard shots because they have nothing to lose, which is MY personal proof.
Anyway we have all argued about this for too long, it's just a vicious circle.
So we should just all agree to disagree.
And for those of you who would like to BnG a bit better than repeat shots, sitters, darksiding, using only 2-3 types of grenade shots, then you are more than welcome at a2b - addicted2bng - http://a2b.clansfx.co.uk
However you can't go to the website and register, it is a public league for anyone who wishes to join, yet you must be sent an invitation to get started, for this you can ask myself, M3ntal or Ramone, we will send you the invitation to your email, click on the link and thats you :)
Remember, you gotta be in it, to win it :)
Thanks, Komo.
komo I can't understand people having fun playing bng,.
for me the scheme is and always was for "anemics" :P
it's not about lazy or not, people want to HF.
training shots 3s is skill but ok, it's not having fun, bng isn't the scheme we all want to play in the league.
look the scheme picks, maybe of total games singles bng was played like 9%..
that's why no rules bng would made more tactics, BnG in this league is the scheme who all of us plays to kill, not to trying to shot as most pro as it's possible, look the playoffs CF vs doH. and now wonder, if is there a sense playing it in the playoffs? I don't think so
For me I would bet team17 or shoppa instead of bng played in playoffs really.
ofcourse some of you like playing the old bng, but not many enjoy playing it. while u are joining AG u wanna play and experience something. something what's dynamic and make you WANT playing it cus it's cool. that's my opinion
Quote from: Crash on May 17, 2010, 10:46 AM
komo I can't understand people having fun playing bng,.
for me the scheme is and always was for "anemics" :P
it's not about lazy or not, people want to HF.
SO what you are saying is BnG is for weak/uncolourful people?
Funny how some of the best and most respected players on wnet today favour BnG?
Mablak, Dark, KRD, M3ntal, Mablak alone is quite possibly the best allrounder and respected player ever to grace WA, Dark is pretty much top of the game at all schemes also, M3ntal and KRD have contributed so much to the community and leagues as well as being extremely talented players, and that's just a few of the best BnG'rs of WA.
Then you look at the people whom most consider selfish, annoying and too competitive, I won't say names as each has their own opinions.
BnG is without a doubt not just WA in general but every single editions of the Worms francise one of the most common schemes played, It's one of the 3 main schemes in practically every league for every game.
To us, BnG is more than just shooting to win, for me it's the only thing I play the game for anymore, myself being alot higher skilled than average at almost all common schemes because i've played this game for so long it just happened lol.
I'm not good at BnG because I wanted to be, I enjoy it so much I just got good while enjoying it, I enjoy it so much I've influenced alot of BnG'rs of today, I've came up with and named new shots years and years ago which most use nowadays, I enjoyed it so much I explored every option of the game.
People continue to seek my advice on BnG which no one can disagree I have always gave, so I guess when it comes down to it, I am just more passionate about BnG than anyone else on WA, because to me it's not just about winning and being good, through BnG i've met alot of really interesting and nice people, I only play wnet when I see these people online, I don't sit in AG challenging anyone to defend my honour lol.
I am proud of the level I have became at BnG and what I give back to those who want to learn, and no one will EVER take that away from me.
I understand that others won't take BnG as seriously as myself and all the other players that enjoy it the way I do, I am totally fine with that, I just ask that you all understand and respect why we do it the way we do it.
Thanks, Komo.
QuoteBnG is more than just shooting to win
And thats the problem. Our Playoffgames vs ckc and doH were horrible to play, coz other mentalities hitting eachother. Dark and me want to play a nice bng, with welltimed nadeshots and not cheap attacks like 4sec fulls or repeats, fullshot zooks etc. But its not possible coz that game is really important for both clans, so our oppenents starting to being lame. Dark and me had to change our style too. Its too easy to get bashed by lame shots. Perfect shots just needs more turns tho, esp. when u get pushed all the time by random bounces.
So, I just agree to Crash that bng isnt really able to play it at clanner / playoffs. Not with that rules. "No rules" could make it much better to play and all the discussions ingame will stop immediately. Only one rule about teleporting to close to oppenent worms should be there, not more.
Bng should be fix placed forever in any allround ladder. But maybe we have to make rules easier or we just change to norules-bng. For bng addicted ppl (and i respect them all!) is a different league the best way. So its good to have some guys like komo, krd, ramone etc. and a ladder like a2b. But for tus i dont like bng to play coz of 90% foolish players. Its always like a job to finish that game asap - but some bng during about one hour - not rly a good argument for the current scheme.
Quote from: Ray on January 13, 2010, 03:36 PM
NO! BnG is like a tradition, it used to be like this since I remember. I did learn those god damn rules, others did learn, why does it cause so much trouble right now?
very good point, bng is like tradition. NO RULES, like dub said! lol... W:A changed every scheme or every game worms2 invented and played for years, and are too narrow minded to change them back, or at least find a middle ground lol.... its really a slap in the face to worms2 players when ya guyz think w:a is the tradition, or the roots... thats prolly why worms2 players wont ever be coming back to worms, and come to w:a... bng is not the same... and they dont want to travel back in time to the era of 15 second roping and 10 second retreat lmfao.. thats how roping was invented, once rope moves and styles were invented (even tho w:a changed the names of alot of moves... im suprised a shadow reamained a shadow)they evolved into 12 second turns 5 retreat.. u guys stay with crazy ass outdated sets and think all is well :D
Avi, I hated BnG when I 1st seen it, because what I 1st seen was just boring shots, it wasn't until I played Elderworm (I think that was his name, the guy with the longass hair who thought he was the terminator) I'm sure he was in EiF or summin, that I actually saw some skill in BnG and I was hooked.
You've seen how good I am with the "hard" shots, imagine how easy, but importantly damn right boring it would be for me to just darkside, throw continous 4s full pwoer and 3s nades, heck and if I were to notch them it'd be even worse...
I don't necessarily hate this nrbng because it's an easy win, I hate it because it's boring, and I really don't understand how the people that like nrbng find the way we do it boring yet they like it the easy way which is worse...
Now there is a2b, you can do whatever you want with the TuS BnG.
As Komo said, NRBnG is quite boring, but it can be ended in like 3minutes, so I guess there is no problem to turn the current BnG scheme to NRBnG (as long as you don't change a2b BnG scheme).
Quote from: SPW on May 17, 2010, 01:36 PM
QuoteBnG is more than just shooting to win
And thats the problem. Our Playoffgames vs ckc and doH were horrible to play, coz other mentalities hitting eachother.
Our game was not that bad. I heard the one you had vs doh was much wrose. Although you were upset because they 4sec full powered? Nothing wrong with these shots. Can teleport to avoid them. The bng playoffs CKC had against bor when crash was playing for bor was horrible. He was not even reaiming before his shots. I remember in xtc we had to have a bng playoff game voided because Mil2 decided to ignore the rules on a deciding shot and just locked the last shot on us and didnt reaim. I didnt mind the playoff bng vs you and random00. No one broke the rules. I did have a bank shot that relied on a back bounce back onto random00. My shots were timed well and i was changing between 2-3 possible options to increase the distance and then have it bounce backwards so the timing was according to the pushes i was causing on him. Once I had evened the score and he teleported closer to me and finished me was a prefect 3sec I have no reason to complain. You guys won fair and square. I played within the rules and i was not that cheap. I kinda think you were all overreacting because to be honest... you guys care alot about losing. Which is not a problem. Your the most succesful clan on TuS at the moment.
But there is a problem, the highly competitive league that tus is now a days its hard to keep your style in bng at times. Some players still know how to notch and i think maybe if a clanner involving 60 odd points, or a playoff deciding game for the championship you may see you start to drop some of your style in bng to go for the win.
But komodo makes some good points. Good bngers will still know more shots and have more shot options because they have taken the time to win. So thats where i think its good to have those rules on darksiding well defined because if a good bnger is getting repeated by lame nades and shots of a lazier player he can take a harder hide (unlimited teleports) and use a good bank, This forces more difficult shots to be taken against the worm which is well protected.
To say bng needs to be removed from classic is just stupid. Any good bnger who is getting lamed, still should be good enough to come back and win. I don't really know what my is point. Talking about nrbng is an ongoing debate, i can see why people want it, i wouldnt play it. I maybe think why bng has lost some of its sportmanship is because of ladder systems. If im gonna lose 72 points for a bng im gonna wanna play harder to keep those points. Its alot to drop. If it wasnt a rating system and 3 points for a win/loss and could don i may play with abit more honour. Competition is the devil's breath in bng. Sadly i don't feel like the honourable bnger i used to be. But sometimes i feel like that because of the way worms has changed, and when someone is cheaping me, being lame or generally not being nice and insulting me loads i'll make it as difficult as i can for them to kill me.
I can be nice tho, and i more than half of my games i never have any problems. Ive got the highest overall bng rank on tus. Search the complaints and i think i only made 1 complaint regarding a game. Its a shame bng is not as popular as roper or ttrr, then i could get more points for wins as others would have an equally high rating!
This is all making me sound like a hypocrite, stubborn and an ass. BnG is is a great scheme, alot of players know how to bng well and you can still get alot of great games. CKC and CF have had some and we still respect eachother even if we've flaked at times, but we still say gj, n and gg when its over. This thread is about changing the rules, and defining that darksiding rule, allowing for closer teleports than half the screen distance will make bngs better. Sometimes players teleport into the middle of the map and it results the other team having barely any hides. MI has asked me to write these rules for tus and he'll update them. Which is cool. I don't think there is an argument anymore. If nrbng was a classic scheme i think it is so different it would be fair to have it seperate like wxw and shopper as they are different schemes. Anyways. early morning post and alot of stuff in there for me to get smited! Peace
Quote from: Abnaxus on May 17, 2010, 07:30 PM
Now there is a2b, you can do whatever you want with the TuS BnG.
As Komo said, NRBnG is quite boring, but it can be ended in like 3minutes, so I guess there is no problem to turn the current BnG scheme to NRBnG (as long as you don't change a2b BnG scheme).
Thats the most stupid thing i have heard. BnG is a classic scheme, i don't care for a2b as much as i care for the most active and popular league currently on wa. If i only cared about elite i would of always played in WEL but i love allround leagues and i still love bng, why should bng change just because there is a now a bng only league?
It should be a classic scheme in an allrounders league and stay as it has stayed for many years.
Komodo is right, it is for lazy players who cant master all shots and its boring. So im not the best roper, maybe i'll ask for an extra 10secs and play roper with 25seconds because im too lazy to learn to rope better. Then i expect the classic league to change to 25seconds because more lazy ropers have enjoyed this, and when a 15sec rope ladder only league is made the main all schemed league will change its roper rules to 25secs?
This is an allrounders ladder league and its great fun. Changing one scheme which is some peoples strongest who still enjoy the competition of allrounders would be like chopping a leg from under me and still asking me to run in the race. Just because others don't find bng as fun or want to learn it or enjoy it as much as a few others does not mean it should be changed?
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:37 PMwhy should bng change just because there is a now a bng only league?
You didn't get it:
You can't play a real BnG in TuS because there is too much players who play for the win (so they cheap all over again).
I argued a lot to get a better BnG scheme in TuS 'cause there was only this one as league.
But now I can play a real BnG league (a2b), I really don't care about TuS BnG scheme.
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:31 PM
Sadly i don't feel like the honourable bnger i used to be. But sometimes i feel like that because of the way worms has changed, and when someone is cheaping me, being lame or generally not being nice and insulting me loads i'll make it as difficult as i can for them to kill me.
Thats the most stupid thing i have heard. BnG is a classic scheme, i don't care for a2b as much as i care for the most active and popular league currently on wa.
You are a very enthusiastic BnG'r mate, it is sad to see you have lost some of the respect you once had for BnG, but still, even when you play at your "cheapest" you still play good, i've never seen you repeat a shot more than twice in a league game, which isn't all that bad, you play a little tighter because you have to, thats fair enough, I personally couldn't, because BnG is all I have passion for which is why we have a2b now.
And although you love BnG, you love all the other schemes too, you can't have it all, I fully understand why you would choose to play TuS over a2b, it'd still be nice to see you throw in a few more a2b's though, even if it is only 3-4 a week.
Quote from: Abnaxus on May 17, 2010, 07:43 PM
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:37 PMwhy should bng change just because there is a now a bng only league?
You didn't get it:
You can't play a real BnG in TuS because there is too much players who play for the win (so they cheap all over again).
I argued a lot to get a better BnG scheme in TuS 'cause there was only this one as league.
But now I can play a real BnG league (a2b), I really don't care about TuS BnG scheme.
Oh ok, well your mates a good and focus on more skill so players find it hard to cheap. You can still win tus bng's and have fun here.
Chick, you're really starting to type like a zillian lol, soon enough your sig is gonna be
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I just don't get it, where is the problem, wtf are U arguing about? :o
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:37 PM
Changing one scheme which is some peoples strongest who still enjoy the competition of allrounders would be like chopping a leg from under me and still asking me to run in the race. Just because others don't find bng as fun or want to learn it or enjoy it as much as a few others does not mean it should be changed?
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why should bng change just because there is a now a bng only league?
Chick, no one tries to change anything.. What's changing, where?
Quote from: Chicken23This thread is about changing the rules, and defining that darksiding rule, allowing for closer teleports than half the screen distance will make bngs better. Sometimes players teleport into the middle of the map and it results the other team having barely any hides. MI has asked me to write these rules for tus and he'll update them.
am I missing smth? U wanna change the BnG rules here? MI?
(haven't read the whole thread, is there smth changing?)
Anyway, it's denied - I have a copyright on this scheme, U can only add a new one, but cannot change this one! ;D
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-1/
This is a BnG scheme here on TUS that was written by Wooka with additions made by GreeN and myself..
(These rules are kinda same as a2b rules.)
Now I wonder.. Does CF, ckc, doH or any other
best clan here on TUS cannot handle these rules... in PO's..? shame on U best clans! ;)
blame the stars constellations... and damned BnG scheme...
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:54 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on May 17, 2010, 07:43 PM
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:37 PMwhy should bng change just because there is a now a bng only league?
You didn't get it:
You can't play a real BnG in TuS because there is too much players who play for the win (so they cheap all over again).
I argued a lot to get a better BnG scheme in TuS 'cause there was only this one as league.
But now I can play a real BnG league (a2b), I really don't care about TuS BnG scheme.
:o
Quote from: komo on May 17, 2010, 11:44 PM
Chick, you're really starting to type like a zillian lol, soon enough your sig is gonna be
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I cant even understand what i wrote this morning. I think my house mate must of put crack in my cup of tea!
Ramone - I thought this was the thread i posted about changing the darksiding rule because it wasnt clear. Thats somewhere else. Reso and other bngs backed me up in an argument against chakkman.
Then i got confused and thought that bng was going to be replaced by nrbng!
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 18, 2010, 02:18 AM
I cant even understand what i wrote this morning. I think my house mate must of put crack in my cup of tea!
It hit you somewhere in the middle of that big post of yours:
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 17, 2010, 07:31 PM
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I don't really know what my is point.
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;D (sorry of off-topic)
After thinking about it, the rules ARE fine the way they are for a league like this, I mean how can you expect a newcomer of WA to BnG at our level?
Most of the experienced players can't lol
But then again people would ask, How will they get better if they don't try?
Hopefully when they are not playing league games, they will play some BnG's for fun and try to better themselves at the game, anyone who DOES want to get better, or wants advice, feel free to ask myself or any member of b2b for advice or even just a few games to practise.
Thanks, Komo
I'd love to pick your brain but wouldn't it be cooler if you made a tutorial how to BnG for all of us. Maybe that creates a lasting change?
You can't tell someone how to BnG, it's just impossible.
BnG skills come with time, is just experience.
If you play RPG games, then it's like doing lot of BnGs to make your lvl grow up.
Quote from: Abnaxus on May 18, 2010, 11:38 AM
You can't tell someone how to BnG, it's just impossible.
Actually you can, like I was taught by Eldarworm and M3ntal the very basics, then I grew onto the advanced stuff by myself, even inventing new shots myself, there's always those people that take things to the next level, I believe myself to be that person for BnG.
And am I correct in detecting a hint of sarcasm Janu? If you are being serious, it's not so much a tutorial on "How to BnG" it's more of tips and tricks that help you, ways of being mroe consistent and learning the harders shots faster.
And I would LOVE to make a tutorial, except, I have no idea how to.
No sarcasm.
Tutorials / Tips & Tricks would be nice addition for newer players also and even hone experienced players to maximise their skill. Those who own at certain scheme give pointers to others.
Maybe another addition to TUS.
Edit: Maybe you could do a simple replay-type of tutorial since you can add text there also in offline.
Janu - Get on MSN? Or at least AG i'm there now, can give me some of your ideas...
Quote from: Chicken23 on May 18, 2010, 02:18 AM
I cant even understand what i wrote this morning. I think my house mate must of put crack in my cup of tea!
HAhahaahaha, I knew it! Ur posts seemed so weird, I even wanted to ask U on which drugs are U on! .. Nice house m8 U got there, sharing everything with U!
LOL :D
A bng tutorial would rock. Remember IBB's rope trick tutorial? Something with the basic princples of power on 3sec nades up to aimmer, the power on an lg 5. Explaining how a worm higher or lower than your worm effects your power. Simple low powered wind shots etc.
Well, this is possible, but it would be very freaking long. °.°
yeah, why did u detect sarcasm free? lol i thought it was a good idea.. :D
Quote from: avirex on May 18, 2010, 09:20 PM
yeah, why did u detect sarcasm free? lol i thought it was a good idea.. :D
It was me that thought he was being sarcastic, because he normally sticks up for the no rules BnG side of things lol.
If someone can put together the video, I can put the replays in for the tutorial...
darkone had a nice tutorial type thing for the trojan map he made.... showing how to do it, no idea how he typed all that shit while he was playing... lol.. musta had it macro'd who knows??
when you play an offline game, the chat works the same way as online, except when the chat window is down, the game freezes.
I mean...
Yeah, it was a macro :)
When your as old school as me and avi. The features of the patchs always come as a surprize! I never knew that either haha
Dumbasses lol, even I knew that, but only cuz I used to do that annoying thing EVERY SINGLE GAME lol:
y0 y0 y0
gl
hf
So when I done something offline i'd automatically do this as a habit lol...
Or when you press Page Down by habit of the online chat. ^^
Well, I guess I can make a try on a replay for 3sec nades.
If it works well and you think it's good, I'll do for other shots.
Quote from: komo on May 19, 2010, 11:43 AM
Dumbasses lol, even I knew that, but only cuz I used to do that annoying thing EVERY SINGLE GAME lol:
This is exactly why I have a replay with comment like avirex said :) I have about 40 replays where I did the same and then screw up about halfway :D
I wanted to make a new topic, but since this one is already called "New rules for BnG", I guess I can post it here..
I've just looked at the BnG scheme here and saw that "repeat shot" rule has been deleted... About a year and a half when TUS was starting we agreed to make that rule valid here:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/schemes-13/schemes-explanations-rules-or-submit-a-new-one-%29/30/
I've asked MI what happened and he showed me this:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/14542-1384/
Apart of that he told me that some players were asking him to delete that rule im PM's or MSN..
Ok, maybe I shouldn't be the one to start this subject (again) since I don't play TUS league, but same as back then I am trying to point on this matter in sake of BnG scheme itself..
If new players get used to throw 3 sec nades all the game, I see BnG as a very unpopular scheme in the future... (maybe changed name to NtD (Nade to Death) would suit better)..
I won't repeat myself, U can read my opinion about this in the topic that I've posted a link..
So, maybe a poll? What do U think?
Quote from: Ramone on May 21, 2010, 12:29 PMApart of that he told me that some players were asking him to delete that rule im PM's or MSN..
Quote from: Ramone on May 21, 2010, 12:29 PM"repeat shot" rule has been deleted...
Wtf ? Is that true ? A such thing shouldn't be tolerated. How the hell could you be so much biased ? This isn't how acts an admin man.
What? You mean me?
Ramone, Abnaxus, just forget about it, it's the rules of TuS, remember you cannot expect a newcomer of the game to able to play BnG like we do at a2b.
The rules for TuS are fine , if you ever play TuS I know it's hard to do (not literally hard, I mean as in wouldn't want to) but if someone repeats you, you will just have to repeat them back...
The rule isn't the problem.
The thing is MI modified a scheme rule because some players asked him in PM.
It means nobody knew about this change: no thread, no pool.
Maybe 90% of the players didn't want to change the rule, but as 2-3 players wanted it, it had been done: this is just unbelievable !
lol are you actually judging me by that? XDDD
Quote from: Ramone on May 21, 2010, 12:29 PM
I've asked MI what happened and he showed me this:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/14542-1384/
Apart of that he told me that some players were asking him to delete that rule im PM's or MSN..
As you know I made TUS purely out of people's ideas. But at the beginning, our forum wasn't active enough so I used to take ideas from everywhere. But right now, I always ask people to post on the forums.
TUS is not working for the sake of a particular scheme (BnG in this case), but the sake of the community. One very big issue in this community is, if you even manage to change a scheme rule, how much the community will read/understand it? Look at TUS, it is translated in 15 languages! It has managed to bring a lot of fallen parts of the community together, but the interesting part:
No one said anything when I deleted the rule from BnG, like it wasn't existed in the first place! The community knows BnG rules over the years. Like 5 sec nade is not allowed. Nobody asks why it was made or why it is not allowed If I can manage to hit my opponent without it being sitter.
No-repeating-shots was there in the rules, nobody obeyed it, nobody noticed when It got deleted.
I have no problem to put it back, if you really care oyu can start a new topic, even a poll to ask people what they want.
I can see where Abnaxus is coming from, it's a bit of a bummer when rules are changed without warning, I think he's just implying that a warning would have been good.
The repeat rule is madness lol, if you don't explain it in-depth people won't understand it or even bother too, not everyone can do over 10 different types of shots in BnG which is why repeats are allowed, I personally feel there should be a restraint on it, it should only be allowed to a certain extent, meaning you should at least TRY another few shots of a different variety before you can repeat the shot you hit with...
As I already said it, I don't care about the rule itself.....
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 22, 2010, 04:38 AMBut at the beginning, our forum wasn't active enough so I used to take ideas from everywhere.
This would have been enough on your post. And my bad, I talked a bit too much without knowing.
Komo, you're right about the warning, but I also though few players asked him in PM/MSN to change the rule and he did it without asking the rest of the community.
But nevermind, he answered about it.
Uhh, I've started a subject and then wasn't home for 2 days... Excuse moi, I've just came back..
Don't get me wrong Abnax, I didn't mean to accuse MI, he is far away the best admin that I've ever met.. He deleted it and I can completely understand that..
I just wanted to hear the opinions of other players, should it be valid here or not?
I still think it should be...
Someone please answer me!
The grenade is bound to explode in the air ?
Or has a timeout of seconds when she to the ground ?
:'( :-X
@xSnipeRx - a grenade may not stand still on the ground for more than 0.25 sec (some say it is 0.50 sec or else) and damage the enemy worm.
i haven't this topic and haven't seen it before
but imo the good change in bng could be rule about max 2 shots 4 sec nades without LG, because we call ppl lamers in bng throwing still and still 4 sec nades
it was in use in some WO tourneys and it worked nice for me, there were not lamers
Ok ;D
Thanks !