Hey guys, as you mostly know i'm playing on my laptop and I have something like 2 key locks (whenever I press enter I have to unpress all other touch) and my kb space is broken and answer only 50% of time..so I am kinda the biggest rope avoider ever when I play worms :D.
Since rox is back active and he's mr. rope with me or die :D and I still want to clanner with him.. I was finally thinking of buying a new keyboard.
I don't want to spend more than $50 dollar on a keyboard. It is primary to write and to be honest all these gaming keyboard stuff that cost $150 is just a waste of money in my opinion (please don't open a debate :D).
So does anyone know a good usb keyboard for less than 50 dollars that could be shipped in the usa ?
Thanks guys in advance !
http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-arctosa
thanks twi but 50 buck is still a bit too much. Do'nt know something a bit cheaper ?
If you remap the arrow keys to numpad this keyboard will own with reliability.
http://www.amazon.com/IBM-09N5542-Rapid-Access-Keyboard/dp/B00005BAUN/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1367962414&sr=8-4&keywords=IBM+rapid+access+3
25 Bucks and Free Shipping! Gotta be fast, only 1 in stock it seems. Doesn't have USB tho, nevermind.
Or get a converter, I have one myself for the old kbs just in case.
http://www.amazon.com/PS2-Keyboard-To-USB-Adapter/dp/B000BSJFJS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367962598&sr=1-1&keywords=ps%2F2+to+USB+converter
or
http://www.amazon.com/Adesso-Adapter-connects-connectors-ADP-PU21/dp/B00008ZPED/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367962598&sr=1-2&keywords=ps%2F2+to+USB+converter
You would still roam way under 50 bucks.
i got a microsoft sidewinder x4 and its a good kb for less than 50$
I think any Microsoft kb will be good; there is too much shit for <50$ that's why it can be a waste of money :D
I've roped with a Logitech Deluxe 250 keyboard for about 6 years with no problems. No keylock, and it was only $6.99. It's discontinued but there are some cheap ones on eBay still.
The spacebar is reliable but it has a pretty far travel and slowish return spring. Just don't expect to tap ultrafast... but it's not as bad as it sounds.
I also had a cheap Microsoft keyboard, and the Logitech was a lot better for worms. The arrow keys are more sensitive, so they allow finer movement (quite noticeable in SSR). And the keyboard itself is just way quieter, so if you live with other people they won't think you're as much of a freak.
I've never used any keyboards worth more than $10.. so make of this what you will.
Quote from: j0e on May 08, 2013, 05:03 PM
And the keyboard itself is just way quieter, so if you live with other people they won't think you're as much of a freak.
lolo my rooomate once yelled at me why i use the washing machine at 3 am and all i did was playing a wxw.
Here fada: This is what youre looking for, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823184015
Logisys Illuminated Keyboard; Its pretty much the ghetto version of the Logitech Illuminated, but its still a nice Keyboard with a sensitvie space for nice taps.
Hope I could help, cheers
Thanks for all your replies. I'm hesitating between twif razer keyboard and deejay one (which one is it ? this http://www.amazon.com/Logisys-Corporation-Streamline-Illuminated-KB209BK/dp/B001CZLLXW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1368493237&sr=1-1&keywords=Logisys+Illuminated+Keyboard or this http://www.amazon.com/Logisys-Corp-Streamline-Illuminated-KB209WT/dp/B009QVQQB6/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1368493237&sr=1-3&keywords=Logisys+Illuminated+Keyboard).
My hesitation come from the fact that I'm writing a lot with my keyboard and I want it to be a minimum comfortable for my hand.
Could you tell me which one is it deejay and if it is ok for a long utilisation or your wirst/hand hurt after ?
Thanks dude for your help btw !
Edit: Twi, can you confirm the razer kb is usb and not ps2 ?
Best,
spoke with deejay on snoop, he told me the wt one was the last one. I bought this one because I still believe the razer is bit too expensive and i didn't want to remap/buy a ps2 usb adaptor.
I only had shit kb when i played worms (wireless...) this might be difficult for me at first to have a kb that answer my taps ! :D
It's so nice to see Anubis speaking warmly of the IBM Rapid Acess Keyboard every time there is a discussion about which KB to use :) I can advice this one as well Fada. It's perfect for roping, typing and any other use. It's also a keyboard which you can expect to last for a very long time. This is the exact same keyboard I have been using since 2001, and it's working as if it was brand new. Just look at my roping, that's how I roll :P
kb2.jpg
You'll need a converter as it doesn't come in USB, but a converter is cheap and easy to use. Go for this KB; you won't regret it!!!!
Quote from: rash on May 08, 2013, 08:25 AM
i got a microsoft sidewinder x4 and its a good kb for less than 50$
I also use Microsoft SideWinder X4 and I really like this Keyboard with Anti-Ghosting. The only not so good point is, that the F-keys are quite small and it needs some practise to accustom to that. With other Keyboards I pressed wrong keys sometimes, too, so I guess to press 2 keys or a wrong key sometimes is only my fault :D
Anyway I would buy this cheap and nice designed Keyboard again.
Quote from: Peja on May 08, 2013, 05:08 PM
Quote from: j0e on May 08, 2013, 05:03 PM
And the keyboard itself is just way quieter, so if you live with other people they won't think you're as much of a freak.
lolo my rooomate once yelled at me why i use the washing machine at 3 am and all i did was playing a wxw.
(http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gif)
The one deejay posted looks like a really bad keyboard for anything except carrying it around and showing it to friends in very dark places.
There are keyboards like that one that are super reliable and accurate, but that ain't a membrane keyboard. I'd be surprised if it doesn't come with a left key + space keylock.
What about microsoft wired keyboard 200? It's R$25 here! (US$13)
Would it be simple and effective, good for roping? Who has it?
I won't buy any keyboard that f keys are a straight line without space each four keys.
I think I'll leave my old 2001 logitech at my parents home for its historical use and consistent efficiency, and get a new one so that I could play on laptop during the week.
/me needs an active clan... boo @franz/mir!
Quote from: SpideR on May 14, 2013, 11:27 AM
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CAT ^^
Chelsea, I'm a nasty dog! 8)
Quote from: Crazy on May 14, 2013, 01:32 AM
It's so nice to see Anubis speaking warmly of the IBM Rapid Acess Keyboard every time there is a discussion about which KB to use :) I can advice this one as well Fada. It's perfect for roping, typing and any other use. It's also a keyboard which you can expect to last for a very long time. This is the exact same keyboard I have been using since 2001, and it's working as if it was brand new. Just look at my roping, that's how I roll :P
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You'll need a converter as it doesn't come in USB, but a converter is cheap and easy to use. Go for this KB; you won't regret it!!!!
That's why I bought them in stock! I still have 5 kbs when I saw them dirt cheap for like 3 Euro each. They also gain value over time, not like the mechanical ones since it's a rubberdome one, though. But for a rubberdome it's among the best, no question.
Quote from: ropa on May 14, 2013, 09:02 AM
The one deejay posted looks like a really bad keyboard for anything except carrying it around and showing it to friends in very dark places.
There are keyboards like that one that are super reliable and accurate, but that ain't a membrane keyboard. I'd be surprised if it doesn't come with a left key + space keylock.
Lol ropa, ive tested this KB. nd ill tell you one thing its a hell of alot better for roping than ANY Mechanical with cherry reds ;)
when youve got a small budget and are lookign for a nice sensitive keyboard you need to open your horizons a bit bigger, not everyones got 100$ to drop on a shitty mechanical like you ropa
Calm down, it's just a keyboard!
Quote from: deejay on May 14, 2013, 06:29 PM
when youve got a small budget and are lookign for a nice sensitive keyboard you need to open your horizons a bit bigger, not everyones got 100$ to drop on a shitty mechanical like you ropa
mine only cost 40€ with 24h shipping and it probably is expensive because I'm also paying a brand
and the quality to price ratio is much higher than in yours mainly based on the fact that leds are nothing practical but a pretty expensive gimmick and mine is built to last.
he's asking for an allaround keyboard on a budget, something that will last, sorry to have the opinion that your advice is a bad one, it's nothing personal. There's been, however, good advice here, most 2000 (specially early 2000) and onwards Logitech/Microsoft keyboards are great (some amazing for roping), and they're actually pretty resistant, yours might be, it certainly doesn't look like it is.
and cherry reds are not perfect for worms but I'm pretty sure there are better keyboards with them. Not sure why they're even in the discussion anyway.
Well, thanks for your opinion ropa. Sad, it's a bit too late and I bought deejay kb. I'll get it thursday/friday. I'll tell you if it suits me. As I said earlier, I only had shitty keyboard so I don't really mind if it's not the best.
At least if there are other people like me who looks for the same kind of keyboard they'll have a thread now :).
Quote from: ropa on May 14, 2013, 08:46 PM
Quote from: deejay on May 14, 2013, 06:29 PM
when youve got a small budget and are lookign for a nice sensitive keyboard you need to open your horizons a bit bigger, not everyones got 100$ to drop on a shitty mechanical like you ropa
mine only cost 40€ with 24h shipping and it probably is expensive because I'm also paying a brand
and the quality to price ratio is much higher than in yours mainly based on the fact that leds are nothing practical but a pretty expensive gimmick and mine is built to last.
he's asking for an allaround keyboard on a budget, something that will last, sorry to have the opinion that your advice is a bad one, it's nothing personal. There's been, however, good advice here, most 2000 (specially early 2000) and onwards Logitech/Microsoft keyboards are great (some amazing for roping), and they're actually pretty resistant, yours might be, it certainly doesn't look like it is.
and cherry reds are not perfect for worms but I'm pretty sure there are better keyboards with them. Not sure why they're even in the discussion anyway.
This keyboard is more worms friendly than any mechanical; if im not mistaken fada asked about a cheap keyboard with the main intention for
roping.
and he also noted that he uses his keyboard frequently so he would want something with a bit of support. no where do i see him asking for a All-Around keyboard.
The main reason hes buying is because he wanted a keyboard he could rope on, I gave him a example of one that I was considering getting instead of my Logitech illuminated, the logisys is a nice keyboard almost identical to the logitech illuminated(ive had over 10 GOOD keyboards over my years of worming and this is byfar the best for roping) very sensitive+responsive keys + No keylock.. what more could you really want in a cheap keyboard for worms.
You come to the topic bringing no real information to start besides trashing the keyboard that fada has already bought also a keyboard that you've only seen in pictures. LOL
Quote from: zippeurfou on May 14, 2013, 09:39 PM
Well, thanks for your opinion ropa. Sad, it's a bit too late and I bought deejay kb. I'll get it thursday/friday. I'll tell you if it suits me. As I said earlier, I only had shitty keyboard so I don't really mind if it's not the best.
At least if there are other people like me who looks for the same kind of keyboard they'll have a thread now :).
Aww, just read that you already bought it now. :(
Sad to hear you didn't want to get a converter since you miss out on one of the milestones of my personal improvements due to better hardware. When I switched to the IBM it upped my roping so much. Well, give some feedback and maybe a replay (before/after). :)
Quote from: Chelsea on May 14, 2013, 11:28 AM
Quote from: SpideR on May 14, 2013, 11:27 AM
/me needs an active clan... boo @franz/mir!
CAT ^^
franz play sometimes !
You can always leave six and ask for the clan you wish to join. I'm sure not many clan would disprove you :)
Edit: Well, getting adaptor and stuff i'm not really a fan of and i don't think i'll ever be playing roper very competitive anymore. It's just to help when the clan need.
My experience: I've had Razer blackwidow and Steelseries g2 as mechanical kb's and while they have their benefits, after I got my logitech illuminated, it was the clear winner.
The way I saw it, you get more control and reliability with mechanical kb's but you dont get nearly as much speed.
Maybe one day if they make a low profile mechanical kb, I'm gonna SPEND ALL MY MONEYZ again.
Quote from: Free on May 15, 2013, 05:03 AM
The way I saw it, you get more control and reliability with mechanical kb's but you dont get nearly as much speed.
What do you mean with speed? Worms tapping speed? typing speed? If so, using what technique? touch typing? hunt and peck? buffering? thumbing?
Mechanicals have and still are the keyboards of typists and recently comparable alternatives have popped up using different systems, but they're still very expensive and specialized and they certainly don't include the ilumniati's (pun intended) keyboard.
And to clarify, I'm not saying your keyboard sucks for roping jay, I actually
trust your judgment on that and believe it is rope-supportive. Thing is, I still think there are better alternatives for what he was asking. Will he be able to rope in body and soul with your KB? I don't see why not. But you're mixing budget and leds in a keyboard that looks like a cat stepping on it could see it break.
Quote from: Free on May 15, 2013, 05:03 AM
My experience: I've had Razer blackwidow and Steelseries g2 as mechanical kb's and while they have their benefits, after I got my logitech illuminated, it was the clear winner.
The way I saw it, you get more control and reliability with mechanical kb's but you dont get nearly as much speed.
Maybe one day if they make a low profile mechanical kb, I'm gonna SPEND ALL MY MONEYZ again.
That's why I use mechanical kb's for arrow control and for taps the IBM Rapid Access. The perfect mixture. :D
Ok, very bad news. Just got the keyboard and I got this f@#!ing keylock !!!!!
The thing I don't get is that if i press up + left + space i got keylock but if i press up+right+space i don't have it !
Anyone can explain it to me ?
Moreover, I'm on a laptop and they keylock on my laptop is reversed ! e.g if i press up + left + space on laptop no keylock but up+right+space laptop keylock....
I guess I'll remap my keys but an explanation would be really nice.
use a keyremap and try to use "z" as space...but which finger do you use to rope? :P
what keyremaper to use ?
SharpKeys or Intes Keychanger.
There is no explaination to it, it just means cheap manufacturing to safe money. Left + Up + Space is pretty common, never seen right + up +space.
Quote from: zippeurfou on May 17, 2013, 02:10 AM
what keyremaper to use ?
If your space is good fada I recommend trying to remap numepad 5123 to arrows, it make take a day to get used to it and you might require to remap some F keys too (the ones used in roping) depending on your hand reach.
You might still be able to rope with one letter key, but since some people tap with more than one finger (even without finger rolling) you can keep the arrow keys as arrow keys and try the right shift as space.
They are different alternatives, I recommend you try a few since a letter key, the spacebar and the right shift tend to have different feels. However, your keyboard does seem like it haves the same feel for all keys.
edit: the explanation to the keylock is that the left key and the spacebar share the same "circuit" and thus cannot be used together with another key (the keyboard fills its input slots with just left and up).
But yeah, Jay should have told you it had a keylock
Thanks dudes. So this keyboard really have keylock... Guess I won't be roping much then.
Well I've been using intes keychanger to remap arrows to num pad 1235 but I had still the keylock.
Maybe I'll look into other num pad number that doesn't share circuit.
Btw, it is very interesting the fact that they share circuit. I might dig into how keyboard are made just to know. People learn how computer are made but not the device (mouse,keyboard..).
Edit: what an irony that you predicted it page 1 ! Just for that you deserve the I said it hehe. Anyways, a good cheap keyboard without ps2/usb adaptor would be a microsoft/logitech keyboard. I believe we should really do a list, I'm not the first one to ask and surely not the last!
I bought a keyboard which has the stupid keylock too but at least i can fingeroll a bit again.
Im going to give it back to the shop and buy a gaming one. Found cheap one and looks good, check it out fada:
http://dx.com/s/AULA+befire
Searching for a razer tarantula too but its out of stock everywhere, maybe i'll be lucky if i take a look at ebay.
Oh my god, I will tell you my journey to get a new keyboard!
I've found this store with great prices near my appartment and with a great variety of kbs. Good!
I talked with the manager and explained that I lived nearby and I had interest in a good kb to play a certain game, without keylock, and I asked gently if I could try it, and if it doesn't fit well, if I could return, exchange for another one (keeping it exactly like it was in the box) and paying the difference. He accepted! Really good!
Prices started at R$ 18 (6,70£). Really GOOD!
My intention was spending the less possible! Since I ain't getting an all colourful gayming kb just to play worms, or so I thought that I ain't no tapper, cheater, macroper or anyway gamer outside worms. I don't see use in that for such price. I'll avoid remapping as much as I can.
I went to the store 3 times! And on the third one I gave up cause the manager would get pissed lol BAD!
And all the keyboards had keylock. Really BAD!
I ended up with a microsoft KB, that has a space+UP+LEFT keylock (apparently it didn't lock with RIGHT+UP+SPACE or similar). Stupid manufacturers!
The good part? It is very smooth to control, the arrow keys are great to rope, to type (I have to type a lot of text) and what I liked the most 1/4 of the standard gaming keyboard price (R$ 99).
Most important lesson? I realized I can get used with it after some warmers.
My roping is a LOT better now, watch out I'm coming back to fit :D
Quote from: zippeurfou on May 17, 2013, 04:24 PM
Thanks dudes. So this keyboard really have keylock... Guess I won't be roping much then.
Well I've been using intes keychanger to remap arrows to num pad 1235 but I had still the keylock.
Maybe I'll look into other num pad number that doesn't share circuit.
Btw, it is very interesting the fact that they share circuit. I might dig into how keyboard are made just to know. People learn how computer are made but not the device (mouse,keyboard..).
Edit: what an irony that you predicted it page 1 ! Just for that you deserve the I said it hehe. Anyways, a good cheap keyboard without ps2/usb adaptor would be a microsoft/logitech keyboard. I believe we should really do a list, I'm not the first one to ask and surely not the last!
sounds like a problem with your laptop if you remapped and the keys are still locked..