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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: Kangaroo on April 18, 2013, 05:18 AM
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on that blue screen that says 3.7.0.0 UPDATE OUT NOW ect ect... maybe around that area could be a link to TUS and explaining it. I like playing for fun and league games although in the hours inwhich i perfer to play there is little amout of people on, there is still a few and I can always get a "funner" game but I can never find a "league" game. Which means people are playing but have no idea about tus. I try link people to here and explain the concept but maybe some in game link would help find more players.
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this is not stupid
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that's a great idea i think.. just how to do it :D
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I think cyber shadow is the man for this...
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I don't think that's going to happen, since TUS is an unofficial league. I don't think there should be a link to TUS either - WKB at most, since it's a wiki about everything worms 2d, including information on TUS.
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come on Darky, WormsArmageddon is working around TUS nowdays :P
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come on Darky, WormsArmageddon is working around TUS nowdays :P
should be
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would be nice to advertise tus on wnet, do all new comers can see what we have established as a community (with all of MI's help)
i know the thing that drew me to w2 was discovering the league, and the ability to rope... if i had not stumbled upon that, i may have just thought the game was funny worms with machine guns, and my playing career would have been short lived.
if it is possible to have a link on wnet to tus, it may help the new comers transition from just normal wormys, to members of or community quicker...
that is our goal right? not just to get people playing w:s, but to participate in tus, and the leagues ae
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this is never going to happen unless wormnet is hacked or monkeyisland affiliates this website with team17 somehow. it is a fantastic idea that has no chance of occurring. the only reason the update is up there is because team17 started to sponsor (somewhat) the patching of the game. there is no incentive for them to have a link to TUS. about the closest you will get to this is a spambot that tells you to come to this site.
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Anyhow, a spambot for tus would be something good but it has to do more than just spam. It could be something way better as something that host/join game and automatically report games + give information about the league or in-game answer in case of cow. This could be really interesting but I wonder if people would use it.
e.g. a use case scenario.
Channel: Anything goes
username: LeagueBuddy
feature: ask to host a league game
xTdCxfada:!league clanner bng xTdCxVok AEFxHHC AEFxPeja
This will boot anyone that is not xTdCxVok AEFxHHC AEFxPeja
feature: ask to join and existing hosted game.
xTdCxfada:!league clanner join xTdCxVok
This will join xTdCxVok game assuming it can analyze the scheme game.
feature: stream a game.
xTdCxfada:!league stream clanner join xTdCxVok
Here we can assume that either we accept to stream all game or the bot watch for the rating of the players and chose to not stream it if it is too low.
feature: give several general information as does help but for the league game as well as advertising tourney and other events or even maybe streaming automatically big games.
Channel: In lobby before game:
feature:general hosting buddy map picking stuff maybe a little optimized depending on the scheme for example elite maps or bng maps.
Channel: While in game chat:
feature: Help with decision making.
xTdCxVok:!cow sitter
LeagueBuddy: A cow sitter occurs if the nade did land for more than XX sec. Are you sure it was the case ? If not, being sportmanship doesn't hurt. Otherwise the opponent AEFxHHC AEFxPeja has to do XXX.
After Next turn
LeagueBuddy: Did AEFxHHC did xxx that is the remedy for a bng sitter ?
case A:
xTdCxVok: !yes
case B:
xTdCxVok: !no
LeagueBuddy: Are you sure ? Please confirm and I'll quit the game and report it as a win for TdC.Otherwise infirm.
xTdCxVok: !confirm
feature: Others examples of in game possible interaction
xTdCxVok:!rule bng
xTdCxVok:!rule sitter
xTdCxVok:!help
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Channel:After game lobby chat:
if we can see the winner of the game immediately (roper/bng/elite...) leaguebuddy report it without asking anyone ! (We have to find a way to tell him before whose pick it was).
xTdCxVok:!comment This was a close game watch the nade at 2:34 min
This will add a comment to the game from xTdCxVok saying "This was a close game watch the nade at 2:34 min"
xTdCxVok:!nominate Best Turn watch nade at 2:34
this will nominate it as best turn of season with the comment "watch nade at 2:34" by xTdCxVok.
If the game winner could not be determined by seing the winner (case RR).
xTdCxVok:!report
Report TdC as winner
xTdCxVok:!report comment Peja like fishes
Report TdC as winner and add a comment from xTdCxVok "Peja like fishes"
We could go way further with by example adding map automatically into tus database if leaguebuddy is not the host.
Adding map to favorite and asking leaguebuddy to pick from favorites map...
The only thing that matters here is having a bot that is really useful and does not the same thing as HostingBuddy or Help.
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If you really want to advertise TUS, perhaps someone should make a TUS promo movie :P It's what Cueshark did for TCB (http://wormtube.worms2d.info/38/the_challenge_base) back in the day. Not everybody plays WA for the leagues. Those that like playing leagues (and would like to stick with it - people who join TUS and then never play aren't much use if you want to make the community bigger) will look for them. WKB has a clear section on leagues.
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If you really want to advertise TUS, perhaps someone should make a TUS promo movie :P It's what Cueshark did for TCB (http://wormtube.worms2d.info/38/the_challenge_base) back in the day. Not everybody plays WA for the leagues. Those that like playing leagues (and would like to stick with it - people who join TUS and then never play aren't much use if you want to make the community bigger) will look for them. WKB has a clear section on leagues.
Yeah, wanted to say that, but you was first :-[
Just movie about our tus site. Short review about every part, laugues, cup, tournaments, schemes, and maybe small excerpts from games.
When i came here first time, i was really confused a bit, maybe i was used t0, if i saw some videos like this and started to play it early
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D1.
Sometimes you remind me of the "Mothers That Stand Against Everything".
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aw Breeezy... Darky is just our uncle which consciously boils us down to earth ;D
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you do realize there have already been agreements to post tournament schedules in there, for example? just some competent people were too lazy.
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D1.
Sometimes you remind me of the "Mothers That Stand Against Everything".
When I google that with quotation marks, I get no results - is this a cultural reference I'm missing? If you look at suggestions of projects, you can see 2 types.
1) People who make something themselves (WSE, WSC etcetera)
2) People who simply post a thread with "somebody should..."
Projects in the first category will almost always get my backing, because they are ambitious and want to make things better in this little corner of the internet that we inhabit. Not everything works out in the end, but we've gotten a couple of very good things out of it. Worm Olympics, Worms Map Database, Wormtube, TUS. I will almost always help people who actively want to get something positive done (within my capabilities, of course). Go ahead and ask around.
Projects in the second category.... not so much. It's people standing on the sidelines who tell other people what to do without doing anything themselves. In my experience, it usually comes from a sense of entitlement without having to put anything into it themselves.
It's easy to tell people what to do, and so it's easy to abandon such ideas. Just look at the WA promotion project. Free's been posting all over about how other people should do something to promote WA! Orange had his streaming channel (which was awesome while it lasted) and then it kind of fizzled out. Free has commented on the stream once or twice, but that's about all he's actually done himself (if you don't count telling/asking people to do something for him). Projects don't last if nobody has a stake in it.
Now that we got that out of the way :) Why should TUS be promoted on WN without promoting WO, WKB, wormtube, WSE, ONL, WMDB, Project X etcetera?
Best idea would be to promote WKB (if anything) on WN because it is also a way for new players to familiare themselves with the game mechanics of the game.
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D1.
Sometimes you remind me of the "Mothers That Stand Against Everything".
When I google that with quotation marks, I get no results - is this a cultural reference I'm missing? If you look at suggestions of projects, you can see 2 types.
1) People who make something themselves (WSE, WSC etcetera)
2) People who simply post a thread with "somebody should..."
Projects in the first category will almost always get my backing, because they are ambitious and want to make things better in this little corner of the internet that we inhabit. Not everything works out in the end, but we've gotten a couple of very good things out of it. Worm Olympics, Worms Map Database, Wormtube, TUS. I will almost always help people who actively want to get something positive done (within my capabilities, of course). Go ahead and ask around.
Projects in the second category.... not so much. It's people standing on the sidelines who tell other people what to do without doing anything themselves. In my experience, it usually comes from a sense of entitlement without having to put anything into it themselves.
It's easy to tell people what to do, and so it's easy to abandon such ideas. Just look at the WA promotion project. Free's been posting all over about how other people should do something to promote WA! Orange had his streaming channel (which was awesome while it lasted) and then it kind of fizzled out. Free has commented on the stream once or twice, but that's about all he's actually done himself (if you don't count telling/asking people to do something for him). Projects don't last if nobody has a stake in it.
Now that we got that out of the way :) Why should TUS be promoted on WN without promoting WO, WKB, wormtube, WSE, ONL, WMDB, Project X etcetera?
Best idea would be to promote WKB (if anything) on WN because it is also a way for new players to familiare themselves with the game mechanics of the game.
Ey dont start lol, I did a lot of advertising on forums to get viewers for the stream, I was even ready to pay for CS and DC for finishing 4.0 faster, e-mailed T17 but as I got no support for the bigger plans I was developing, I gave up. When it comes to streaming, Orange knew from the get-go I dont have enough bandwith to stream.
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Best idea would be to promote WKB (if anything) on WN because it is also a way for new players to familiare themselves with the game mechanics of the game.
do it yourself or we dont support you, ae?
i think ur post was pretty jackass-ish, to say the least.
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If you look at suggestions of projects, you can see 2 types.
1) People who make something themselves (WSE, WSC etcetera)
2) People who simply post a thread with "somebody should..."
do it yourself or we dont support you, ae?
i think ur post was pretty jackass-ish, to say the least.
lol avi thats because your posts always fall into category #2, hahaha. Same with mine :(
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do it yourself or we dont support you, ae?
I can only speak for myself, of course. But yeah, sounds about right. There's nothing to back if all you're doing is asking/telling other people to do something. The success of a project is mostly determined by what you put into it, simple as that.
i think ur post was pretty jackass-ish, to say the least.
That's unfortunate, but it's still how I look at it and I don't plan on sugarcoating this.
I could've posted an old link by some jackass as an example to make my point instead (I think you might know him, his nick is DarkOne), but probably nobody remembers that, since it happened in 2010 (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/fair-play-1394/msg9726/#msg9726). And as much as a douche he was being in the first post, he did eventually get off his ass and did something. I guess it's live and learn.
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i agree with what your saying to a point....
i mean if its something with-in your means, and your asking others to do it, because your too lazy, then sure, no one will, or should listen....
but when pizzasheet suggest advertising on wnet, think he can do that???
or when i have the idea to make a streaming bot, think i can do that???
does that mean the ideas should never be mentioned, maybe others with the capability will think its a good idea, and get something going...
your post is kinda saying if you cant do it yourself dont even mention it... thats jackass :D
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Well avi is somehow right imo. :D
For People like avirex that has no skills in programming, making a bot like would require weeks and it wouldn't be very good. Also, sharing an idea make you understand if people actually would like it or not.
An example on this topic is my post about making a tus bot. No one answered it, so I can conclude that it's not worth doing it at all. Another example is the stream bot idea. The way it was thrown was like: 'let's have a stream bot it must be cool'. As I said and krd did, we have some doubt of its utility. What's the point in doing something if there is no use to it, that's the whole point of these topic in my opinion.
On the other hand, I can see what you mean darkone with people only throwing idea and not trying to make the thing happen if it is proved that it'd be useful.
As far as I am concerned, for the reason we said in the other topic. I don't think a streaming bot (the way it is said) would do any good.Moreover, judging by the lack of enthusiasm, I don't see a LeagueBuddy bot doing any good also.
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i agree with what your saying to a point....
i mean if its something with-in your means, and your asking others to do it, because your too lazy, then sure, no one will, or should listen....
but when pizzasheet suggest advertising on wnet, think he can do that???
or when i have the idea to make a streaming bot, think i can do that???
does that mean the ideas should never be mentioned, maybe others with the capability will think its a good idea, and get something going...
your post is kinda saying if you cant do it yourself dont even mention it... thats jackass :D
(removed some line breaks to make it shorter, but no other editing)
I realise it's a generalisation, which is subject to exceptions. You mention the streaming bot as an example, but I don't think I raged against that thread like a jackass (I think I only questioned why 'silly' bungeerace and other non-classic league schemes weren't good enough for streaming). I think I was actually quite curious what kind of thing could've come from that thread and KRD answered.
I understand there are limits to someone's knowledge that could limit them into doing things. I don't know much about computers myself, so the things I can get started on are pretty limited. But when I want to get something done and I'm not able to do it, I try to find someone who can help me with that on my own.
Let's look at this case: This is a thread to suggest an idea that others should do, but here's the thing: CS and DC have accounts on TUS and they're online on IRC. (that's not to say they should be flooded by requests - but if you can't even be arsed to get to know them and then ask them yourself, I don't think you're really serious)
At any rate, what I said is merely a response to
D1.
Sometimes you remind me of the "Mothers That Stand Against Everything".
Any thoughts about that post, avi? :P
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Tus bot is a grate idea.
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lol d1, i know you were asking what that was about, you even went through the trouble of google'ing it (because you do things yourself, and dont ask others, right? :p)
the only thing i can think of is instead of "Mothers against drunk drivers" which is a popular group of mothers (and im sure at this point anyone can take part) that well.... i think the title says exactly what they are, and im guessing you may have heard of them?...
but you are the mothers against everything... get it now?
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lol d1, i know you were asking what that was about, you even went through the trouble of google'ing it (because you do things yourself, and dont ask others, right? :p)
the only thing i can think of is instead of "Mothers against drunk drivers" which is a popular group of mothers (and im sure at this point anyone can take part) that well.... i think the title says exactly what they are, and im guessing you may have heard of them?...
but you are the mothers against everything... get it now?
or breeze was just high on ________ when he wrote that nonsense post. fill in the blank.
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That's what I assumed, avi. Hence my response. Hope you guys enjoyed it.
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Basically what MarcOne is saying is that a little more research would be nice before an idea is presented to the public. Not because he has such high quality standards, but rather because that makes it more likely that anything will come off it anytime soon. Even if you come up with something you can't possibly hope to accomplish yourself, you can save a lot of time and effort to whomever ends up doing the heavy lifting in the end by being generally observant, looking at similar past projects, learning from their successes and mistakes, then presenting all relevant findings in the initial forum post or e-mail so that the following discussion is focused enough to be productive.
In the case of modifying that little news feed before you join a channel on WormNet for example, it shouldn't be too difficult to notice that it gets updated only very rarely; version 3.7.2.1 was released over a month ago and it still hasn't gotten its news entry. That should tell you that DC and CS don't exactly have full control over what and when goes up there and even if they did, the space there is so extremely limited that at most a single news item can be seen at a time. For a meaningful links section to be implemented, the WormNet frontend would have to be redesigned considerably, and we know with reasonable certainty that won't happen until 4.0.
On the bright side, the Help bot does already greet new nicknames when they first join #AG and directs them to a community website with a forum in their language. See here for that little project's forum thread:
http://forum.team17.com/showthread.php?t=37302
Perhaps you guys can come up with a little blurb about TUS and figure out who and how often should get spammed with it, then approach Vladimir and see if you can justify it being added to the greeting message that's already there? Sounds like a plan to me.
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i don't see Any harm in spamming a small blurb once a month to any unique nick names, in other words, everyone will get the spam once a month.. would be good, when your new you may be overwelmed with everything, or just excited to start playing, and not read the help bot...
I'm not sure what it says now, and too difficult to research it being I'm on my cellphone, so please forgive me, but a small introduction would be nice along with 5 of the popular worms sites, including wormtube, so newbs can see the true depth, and skill that's truly in the game..
we want to catch the newbs attention as quick as possible, and hopefully keep it, ae?
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Or you all don't understand it. :/
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I certainly don't understand what you mean with "it" :)
Care to elaborate some?
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Mothers against everything.
Why wont someone think of the children?
Video games cause violence.
Our children are so innocent.
Do I need to go on? lol
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if only team17 and its affiliates died overnight making this game essentially abandonware, if only.