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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: Dub-c on January 18, 2010, 07:56 PM
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Is using a program to play worms cheating?
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what kind of program?
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agh, beer!
what kind of program? ;D
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:P
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Does it matter?
Is using a program to play cheating?
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lol? of course it matter, if u get a program that make u not fail ur mine drops, its cheating.
if u use a programe to change ur keys, it dnt realy mattr.
so eya the kind of program mater, lol
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I'm using Daemon Tools to play WA. Am I a cheater? :P
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I'm using Daemon Tools to play WA. Am I a cheater? :P
Lol, then we are both cheaters.. :x i hope they dont ban us for that
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How do you want to find out if some1 is using a program Dub-C? I think theres been many discussions about that in the past anyway, regarding Anubis and others...
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Lol darkz :D
Dub-C if you don't tell us what kind of program, then we can't say anything about if using that program is cheating or not.
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I'm using Daemon Tools to play WA. Am I a cheater? :P
DAEMON! You are Heretic not cheater!
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Ok, so then the consensus answer then is, depends on the program?
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Depends on what can you do with the program* ^^
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Lets say a macro program.
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in my eyes, yes it is.
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Would you be so kind, and tell the program's name ? :)
By the way, I think yea.
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tarantula powerrr i guess
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Is there a difference between using a macro program to make a key = 2 spaces and remapping your keyboard to make 2 keys function as 2 spacebars?
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Is there a difference between using a macro program to make a key = spaces and remapping your keyboard to make 2 keys function as 2 spacebars?
Actually, there is. You can set your macro to press your space for 2 times (for example) in a short period of time. But when it comes to 2 remapped spaces - you're still on your timing's grace. :)
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eya dulek xD
and the first way is called for cheating, second isnt called for that
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Why isn't it?
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Cose its a technique that u have to waste lots of time to learn, and even if u do that, that dnt make u bettr then some one that only use one. its just a different style of roping.
This is what the 'culture' that i was taught in worms tells me
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Cose its a technique that u have to waste lots of time to learn, and even if u do that, that dnt make u bettr then some one that only use one. its just a different style of roping.
This is what the 'culture' that i was taught in worms tells me
But doesn't a macro program that lets you shoot a second rope faster not serve the same purpose as using 2 keys as 2 spacebars?
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i would say everything which doesnt happen automatically pressing 1 key like 2 taps or jp+lg+cow , is allowed. fr is possible with 1 space too
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But doesn't a macro program that lets you shoot a second rope faster not serve the same purpose as using 2 keys as 2 spacebars?
Im not the right person for that question since i dont really know how both work. but u can figure that the macro is the easy way to do that.
also about 2 finguers/2 spaces its realy hard to learn. I've been done that stff before and I was never good, it realy take match time to get good, and here are ppl that can tell u that, i just lost time and then i gave up.
i would say everything which doesnt happen automatically pressing 1 key like 2 taps or jp+lg+cow , is allowed. fr is possible with 1 space too
eya NC, but the question is, about 2 spaces or macro, not about fr.
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for what 2 spacebars r then if not for fr?o0
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there are ppl that call for it, also other ask for ' do u fr?' (lmao). for me its just fast taping. can be 'twitch' (guess its the name), or w/e, fast tapping.
but still, the question is about 2 spaces and macros to tap
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lol for me fr means ropetaps with 2 fingers and u can do it with 1 or 2 spaces
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lol for me fr means ropetaps with 2 fingers and u can do it with 1 or 2 spaces
also it can be done with 3 or 4 fingers, eya, many ppl call that for fingerroll. but thats not the question here!
lol we are just spaming this thread about fr xDD
this 1 is about cheating or not ae (:
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wasnt dub-c talking something about 2 remapped spaces? and 2 spaces mean fr lolXD im here on my phone cus cant sleeppa btw
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Unique could give you answer :P
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I don't think that using a remapping program for 2 spaces is cheating for the obvious reason that there are keyboards which actually have 2 space bars (or one "halved" space bar). So people with 2 spaces are just making up for a disadvantage in their hardware, and trust me using 2 spaces requires a great amount of practice before you can properly use it in league games.
Using macros on the contrary is cheating because a macro is actually doing the work for you (press space 2 or more times in a very short time).
My 2 cents. :)
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I don't think that using a remapping program for 2 spaces is cheating for the obvious reason that there are keyboards which actually have 2 space bars (or one "halved" space bar). So people with 2 spaces are just making up for a disadvantage in their hardware, and trust me using 2 spaces requires a great amount of practice before you can properly use it in league games.
Using macros on the contrary is cheating because a macro is actually doing the work for you (press space 2 or more times in a very short time).
My 2 cents. :)
Good post. I didn't realize some keyboards had a split spacebar.
What about someone who uses 3 keys as 3 spaces?
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eya rene, thats what i said.
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ok, As I use 2 spaces I have to take a part in this discussion. For the first why do I use 2 spaces? That were old times when I first time saw m0nk (guy who used 3 spaces for playing as I heard later) whoes tap was amazing fast. I decided I wanna get same tap, as it was nice for me, and smth new, and then I thought it could be useful (but it's not much). For 9 months I used to played on 1 spacebar, as 2 spaces was a cheat for me. I changed my mind when I tried to use 2, and found out that 1 space is no sense. My tap got faster as 1 spaces wasn't fast enough (still down when u wanna press it other time). For more it's still about your timing, because it reacts only when u press it! Yes! If u press 2 spaces at once it even blocks u.
There are kbs with 2 spacebars on them. I think that winning should be more about skill, not a kb which u got (ofc I don't mean tarantula or G15, as it's other thing). I have even seen a phote one of them, somewhere on wQw forum, but can't find it.
I have been training fr since february 2008. It's really not easy way. My first lesson was: how to force my other finger to react... And when I got it, I wanna have smth more at last, because fr on 1 space = twiching, where I mean speed of tapping (well, we can take a look for a Mablak ofc, but he has put some thing under his space as I know, and he plays from long time, so it's possible ofc, but I'm talking about fr now).
About silkworms, utw and other it's cheat ifc, because as in 2 spaces the press depends on you, and your timing, those programs do the job for u.
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zippo used to use uwt xDD!!! dunno now xD!
i still remember the replay against sL " -.,ºººGL AND HFººº,.-(or something like that ) " XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
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ok, As I use 2 spaces I have to take a part in this discussion. For the first why do I use 2 spaces? That were old times when I first time saw m0nk (guy who used 3 spaces for playing as I heard later) whoes tap was amazing fast. I decided I wanna get same tap, as it was nice for me, and smth new, and then I thought it could be useful (but it's not much). For 9 months I used to played on 1 spacebar, as 2 spaces was a cheat for me. I changed my mind when I tried to use 2, and found out that 1 space is no sense. My tap got faster as 1 spaces wasn't fast enough (still down when u wanna press it other time). For more it's still about your timing, because it reacts only when u press it! Yes! If u press 2 spaces at once it even blocks u.
There are kbs with 2 spacebars on them. I think that winning should be more about skill, not a kb which u got (ofc I don't mean tarantula or G15, as it's other thing). I have even seen a phote one of them, somewhere on wQw forum, but can't find it.
I have been training fr since february 2008. It's really not easy way. My first lesson was: how to force my other finger to react... And when I got it, I wanna have smth more at last, because fr on 1 space = twiching, where I mean speed of tapping (well, we can take a look for a Mablak ofc, but he has put some thing under his space as I know, and he plays from long time, so it's possible ofc, but I'm talking about fr now).
About silkworms, utw and other it's cheat ifc, because as in 2 spaces the press depends on you, and your timing, those programs do the job for u.
this looks like the history of ur life XDDDDDDDDDD, congrats.
zippo used to use uwt xDD!!! dunno now xD!
i still remember the replay against sL " -.,ºººGL AND HFººº,.-(or something like that ) " XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
yea he use that, thats why he was banned from xtc. XD
zlloro
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Dub-C no macro program in existence will allow you to enhance your roping beyond levels you can already achieve without the macro. You can make a macro program that presses space 10 times for everytime you press it once and it will tap super fast, however, ultimately, it will not make you a better roper nor help you win a game.
Remapping your keys, or even having two keys act as space is totally legitimate since 2 spacebar keyboards already exist anyway.
Finger rolling is only really useful once you're just 1% away from roping maximun level achieved of awesomeness, everything before you can do with one finger, including max speed scrolls and shadows.
For the most part using a bunch of spacebars and a bunch of fingers is useless unless you're incredibly amazing already.
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Rofl beer
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Dub-C no macro program in existence will allow you to enhance your roping beyond levels you can already achieve without the macro. You can make a macro program that presses space 10 times for everytime you press it once and it will tap super fast, however, ultimately, it will not make you a better roper nor help you win a game.
Remapping your keys, or even having two keys act as space is totally legitimate since 2 spacebar keyboards already exist anyway.
Finger rolling is only really useful once you're just 1% away from roping maximun level achieved of awesomeness, everything before you can do with one finger, including max speed scrolls and shadows.
For the most part using a bunch of spacebars and a bunch of fingers is useless unless you're incredibly amazing already.
I agree with most of this except that you have to be amazing before starting to fr. Name one person who had absolutely mastered roping before using fr. but you are missing the point. What if someone uses 3 keys as spacebars? Is it then not so legitiment?
Saying it takes a lot of time and skill to learn is a mute point. It would take someone a lot of time and skill in order to make a program that would automatically throw perfect nades or perfect zooks.
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What I'm saying is that you have to be an incredible roper in order for finger rolling to suppose an improvement over a person who has mastered single tap, if you're an average roper, finger rolling isn't going to make you any better, however, once you reach a very high level of skill then finger rolling might give you an edge on the stuff you attempt, but this skill level bar is already set incredibly high.
People start finger rolling, for the most part, because they hear about it and think it's a ticket to quick success, but most of these people end up being annoying scroll tapping one trick pony ropers that amuse themselves going back and forth through the ceiling whilest doing vertical shadows and going up again and they're like yo host a warmer bro and do finger weight lifting.
I don't see how a person using three space bars would have an advantage over a regular roper per example, who only has and uses one finger in a 1 on 1 roper match. He won't get anywhere faster, specially not in a league roper.
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In my opinion, using more than 1 space is cheating Dub.
But, as there's no way to know for sure what settings everybody has..
It's impossible to know and the debate isn't that much important.
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its the quality, not quanitity of taps thats important.
You can tell a good roper by seeing when he doesnt tap, not by how often.
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People start finger rolling, for the most part, because they hear about it and think it's a ticket to quick success, but most of these people end up being annoying scroll tapping one trick pony ropers that amuse themselves going back and forth through the ceiling whilest doing vertical shadows and going up again and they're like yo host a warmer bro and do finger weight lifting.
How true that is, the amount of people that i've played that try and impress me by going back and forward tapping as fast as they can as if it's new, I mean, people have been tapping as fast as possible since about 7-8 years ago it's nothing new lol
The best league game ropers I have ever seen don't fingerroll, they don't twitch, they don't use macros or any other "tap boosting" remedys, they have roped the same way since day 1 perfecting their smooth experienced style.
And I actually prefer smooth ropers that don't look like they are having a fit on the spacebar, it looks more confident and mature.
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There are (very few) players though that actually make profit from fingerrolling or tapping very fast. Look at Anubis (if his roping is real) or Mablak. They re incredibly fast on some spots using fast tapping which definitely gives them an advantage to finish a map quickly.
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There are (very few) players though that actually make profit from fingerrolling or tapping very fast. Look at Anubis (if his roping is real) or Mablak. They re incredibly fast on some spots using fast tapping which definitely gives them an advantage to finish a map quickly.
Yeah but at the end of the day, there are still players that can beat Anubis and Mablak that don't tap fast :P
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One thing is "to cheat" and other is "to play better". The question is if macros, uwt, and 2 SB are cheating or not, no if they can improve your roping. For some people, experienced or not, it will help maybe, but that's another history. In sports the use of cocaine maybe will cause positive effects on your skills (at first, or maybe negative with time), however, the point there is to forbid those substances that are out of normal because they are even ilegal to get them, no because they can or not improve your skills, because in that case... creatine, protein supplement, or maybe a good pair of shoes, a new tshirt material made it on NASA, sun glasses, etc, would be cheating as well?.
- remaping it's like creatine, you are just using your body to make those taps.
- macros, uwt, C.Silkworm and shits are like an arm extension, a bionic extension or something, your body are not doing those taps.
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- remaping it's like creatine, you are just using your body to make those taps.
- macros, uwt, C.Silkworm and shits are like an arm extension, a bionic extension or something, your body are not doing those taps.
U are right Twyrfher, applaud for u.
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what about a phisical machine were I insert my arm and it moves it up and down powered by an engine at inhuman speeds which I use to tap my space bar?
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what about a phisical machine were I insert my arm and it moves it up and down powered by an engine at inhuman speeds which I use to tap my space bar?
What if me 2 insert one of those then masturbate so fast that my cum fly all the way from Norway and hits u right in the face down in Spain? :D
lol its funny how off-topic tus discussions can get ;D
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One thing is "to cheat" and other is "to play better". The question is if macros, uwt, and 2 SB are cheating or not, no if they can improve your roping. For some people, experienced or not, it will help maybe, but that's another history. In sports the use of cocaine maybe will cause positive effects on your skills (at first, or maybe negative with time), however, the point there is to forbid those substances that are out of normal because they are even ilegal to get them, no because they can or not improve your skills, because in that case... creatine, protein supplement, or maybe a good pair of shoes, a new tshirt material made it on NASA, sun glasses, etc, would be cheating as well?.
- remaping it's like creatine, you are just using your body to make those taps.
- macros, uwt, C.Silkworm and shits are like an arm extension, a bionic extension or something, your body are not doing those taps.
Great post, however I disagree with your creatine example. Creatine would be more like putting a piece of paper under your spacebar so it doesn't have to travel as far.
2 spaces or 3 spaces is more like playing with aids. It doesn't help you win, its gay, and shouldn't be allowed in sports.
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u still understand nothing - smite. ???
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That was just my opinion, whether right or wrong. Smite away.
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Dub-C ftw! Applaud! Still on minus(-) tho Dub! :D
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u still understand nothing - smite. ???
You have -50 and you are saying that you understand? LOL cipa :P
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and? oO ppl don't like me because I always have my mind in every thing, and I say what I think, and about everybody. :o
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2 spaces or 3 spaces is more like playing with aids. It doesn't help you win, its gay, and shouldn't be allowed in sports.
Where is the smite x50 button? :) Seriously hardly ever read something more retarded...
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xDDDDDDDDD
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chakkman, click me (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/aid.html). I think you got it wrong. ;)
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what about a phisical machine were I insert my arm and it moves it up and down powered by an engine at inhuman speeds which I use to tap my space bar?
What if me 2 insert one of those then masturbate so fast that my cum fly all the way from Norway and hits u right in the face down in Spain? :D
lol its funny how off-topic tus discussions can get ;D
I'd be sure to carry and umbrella since your deposits must be really filled up due to severe lack of sex fueled by repulsive phisical looks and retarded personality.
Back on topic, my last post was honest and legitimate, I was indirectly pointing out a fact of practical decision making. There is no point to try and moderate something when not having the right tools to be able to handle it in absolutist fashion with a low margin of error. Anything else is a waste of resources: you cannot get into moderating external cheating in WA because it will generate more workload than it would aid the league's good functionality.
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Hahah! :D Ropaaaaa <3
Im the prettiest guy in wormnet ;)
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and? oO ppl don't like me because I always have my mind in every thing, and I say what I think, and about everybody. :o
Hence why ppl don't like you lol
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Im the prettiest guy in wormnet ;)
But u have never been PlayBoy! :D I have! xD
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Haha :) True :p
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chakkman, click me (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/aid.html). I think you got it wrong. ;)
Ok, i see now... shame on me xD. I was supposing he made a joke about aids sick and gay ppl :o. That should teach me to read more carefully...
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2 spaces or 3 spaces is more like playing with aids. It doesn't help you win, its gay, and shouldn't be allowed in sports.
Where is the smite x50 button? :) Seriously hardly ever read something more retarded...
Applaud for you Chakkman ;)
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Woot? He WAS making a joke about aids and gay people, not using it as a verb ;O -1 for Dub-C for sure
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@down, If you play with aids as in like medical way to improve your strength/speed it will help you win in it's intention, so he obviously meant aids as in disease. Cheers. ;)
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Woot? He WAS making a joke about aids and gay people, not using it as a verb ;O -1 for Dub-C for sure
Now you're getting me confused too. Argh, it's tough not being a native speaker.. D:
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It was a joke, kind of. People are not allowed to play in sports with aids. The gay was more in reference to people playing with 2 spacebars but fit in with my example. Only sport analogy I could think of at the time.
Didn't know so many people on wn had aids or were gay. Bad joke I guess or a lack of sense of humor either way, smite away.
P.s I'm pro gay. I dont give a shit what people do, all the power to them. More women left for us straight guys.
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U dont have 2 be gay, 2 make a friend feel goood okayyyyyyyy? :D
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yeah every1 knows that aids is for black people...
JK! lol
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yeah every1 knows that aids is for black people...
JK! lol
rofl beware of semifinals if you reach thar
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I've always think that using more than one space is cheating due to the respond of having two spaces and not one as we the normal tappers play we press space one time to release the rope than one again to start moving they have advantage coz they have more chances of releasing more ropes because of the two spaces but im not quite sure since i never tried to use two spaces so it could be the same BUT the game is made to play with just one space bar.
Edit: Oh shit this thread is now about aids and gay ppl! LOL didn't know i have plenty of gay friends and i have nothing against them its just a human with dif. taste of sex or something dont joke about that imo there are gay ppl in this community and they can pwn u on the game like my broda crazy.
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zippo used to use uwt xDD!!! dunno now xD!
i still remember the replay against sL " -.,ºººGL AND HFººº,.-(or something like that ) " XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
by guaton!
This replays was a fake zippo by uncle -.-
i play almost 400 games in tus ;P
and never do a cheater move ;D
all mod's can analyzer my games
cya ;*
I don't think that using a remapping program for 2 spaces is cheating for the obvious reason that there are keyboards which actually have 2 space bars (or one "halved" space bar). So people with 2 spaces are just making up for a disadvantage in their hardware, and trust me using 2 spaces requires a great amount of practice before you can properly use it in league games.
Using macros on the contrary is cheating because a macro is actually doing the work for you (press space 2 or more times in a very short time).
My 2 cents. Smiley
BY DarkZ
vn1 bro
i will post with this reply my remapkey for all ppls!
i dont use this remap now cuz i use tarantula keyboard and dont need it more ;P
but when i use other kb i use this autohotkey*
cya ;*
just click in the icon and ur LEFT alt, winkey and ctrl will be SPACE and ur right ctrl will be F8.
its only works in game !
Dont works in desktop or something ;P
its soo good cuz remapkey change ur spaces whitout ur playing ;D
=*
guaton and others call me a cheater cuz cant pwn my skillz ;D
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zippo used to use uwt xDD!!! dunno now xD!
i still remember the replay against sL " -.,ºººGL AND HFººº,.-(or something like that ) " XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
by guaton!
This replays was a fake zippo by uncle -.-
AAAAA xDDDD omfg , rly? lmfao gtfo
everyone saw the replay xD! it was a clanner against sL xD!!!
nt zippoof
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keep dream guaton ;D
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lol zippo
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Guaton newb ever ;*
keep training!
naill ;*
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xDDDDDDDDD!!!
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I've always think that using more than one space is cheating due to the respond of having two spaces and not one as we the normal tappers play we press space one time to release the rope than one again to start moving they have advantage coz they have more chances of releasing more ropes because of the two spaces but im not quite sure since i never tried to use two spaces so it could be the same BUT the game is made to play with just one space bar.
When using 2 spaces i know on my keyboard i have to wait to release the first space before i press down the second, which would be the same as fr on the spacebar like this person->
The main two reason i use 2 spaces is i use L and . and i prefer the angle my arm is on to tap it just feels more comfortable and my actual spacebar is crap to tap on and i dont want to buy another.
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I dont see a problem with using more than one key for the same thing, I dont agree with macros though, not for worms.
People use tons of macros in fps games and its all legit, seeing as anyone can learn how to make a macro.
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I use two keys as space. ~~ And do I have any advantages in league games? Nah, many players are better with one space. To do really fast fr your fingers have to be really fit. So yea keyboard players or guitar players can have advantage (I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..). Anyway for me it's not cheating.. it's only a style of playing with 2 keys. :)
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(I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..).
He plays worms on a music keyboard? :o
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I use two keys as space. ~~ And do I have any advantages in league games? Nah, many players are better with one space. To do really fast fr your fingers have to be really fit. So yea keyboard players or guitar players can have advantage (I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..). Anyway for me it's not cheating.. it's only a style of playing with 2 keys. :)
Its a style that allows you the advantage of repeating ropes faster then someone using 1 spacebar.
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(I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..).
He plays worms on a music keyboard? :o
Emm... I think he did a mistake. He meant that these guys which play on guitar or keyboard have their fingers better 'prepared' for roping, which actually means pressing space faster, better timing or whatever.
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Its a style that allows you the advantage of repeating ropes faster then someone using 1 spacebar.
At least my taps r same with 1 or 2 space fr
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(I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..).
He plays worms on a music keyboard? :o
Emm... I think he did a mistake. He meant that these guys which play on guitar or keyboard have their fingers better 'prepared' for roping, which actually means pressing space faster, better timing or whatever.
Anubis can't play an instrument.. Well I think he started learning how to play the guitar about 2 years ago but that's unrelated as he was able to tap real fast for much longer.
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(I remember that someone told me Anubis was playing on keyboard? That can be a bullshit..).
He plays worms on a music keyboard? :o
Emm... I think he did a mistake. He meant that these guys which play on guitar or keyboard have their fingers better 'prepared' for roping, which actually means pressing space faster, better timing or whatever.
Yeah but imagine that hahahaha.
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Emm... I think he did a mistake. He meant that these guys which play on guitar or keyboard have their fingers better 'prepared' for roping, which actually means pressing space faster, better timing or whatever.
Yea that's what i meant. xD
At least my taps r same with 1 or 2 space fr
Yea it's true, you can do same speed of taps with fr on one space if you have fit fingers. (At least i could do it years ago, now i dont try ;o).
Anubis can't play an instrument.. Well I think he started learning how to play the guitar about 2 years ago but that's unrelated as he was able to tap real fast for much longer.
Ok so that was a bullshit which other player told me. :D Anyway I played fr 4 years ago, when i didnt know what 'guitar' is. And i play fr now, after 2,5 years playing on guitar, and I can say it helps. My fingers don't hurt when i do fr, and are stronger/faster etc.
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No need to tap super leet fast, it works only if you want to show off! No one plays warmers anymore, so there is no need for it imo :P
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No need to tap super leet fast, it works only if you want to show off! No one plays warmers anymore, so there is no need for it imo :P
Nevermind
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Guess this topic is a bit off-topic now, I`m so sorry Mr. Serius-C.
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Guess this topic is a bit off-topic now, I`m so sorry Mr. Serius-C.
Nah I commented, then edited it out. But there are still plenty warmers going on.
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Indeed.
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And i play fr now, after 2,5 years playing on guitar, and I can say it helps. My fingers don't hurt when i do fr, and are stronger/faster etc.
You could also buy a powerball-->
It helps keep your fingers in shape ;D