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[Kradie]

TheWalrus isn't doing it anywhere on behalf of MonkeyIsland  He only encourages people to appreciate what they have here, and rightfully so. I encourage as well.

I personally find it distasteful when people continuously ask for donation, especially on behalf of others. Let's say none of this donation discussion took place, and MonkeyIsland made a humble topic about the necessity of donation, I would process the Idea of donating. But currently I don't feel like it.

You are not more valuable because you donate. You are valuable how you choose to contribute to the community as a person, and what you may have done. To give money is of course a extra, a noble humble thing to do, but not a necessity, and a requirement, especially under group pressure.

[TheWalrus]

Kradie, you do realize that the community you are ‘adding value to’ wouldn’t exist if monkey island doesn’t keep ‘adding value’ with actual, tangible, monetary payments.  For a staunch conservative, you really do subscribe to the ‘something for nothing’ socialist ideals that you espouse on a regular basis.  I guess whatever rhetoric suits you, right.  For the record, I am not asking on behalf of MI, I am asking on behalf of thewalrus and all the other heroes that realize this website we utilize isn’t free.  I will make sure the next time I donate, I will do so in your name Kradie.

[vesuvio]

Kradie  ??

[Kradie]

Suits my own rhetoric? Perhaps my own arguments so far holds a little more merit than others.

There is no escaping the Inevitable fact that MonkeyIsland Indeed have done great things to this Worms Armageddon community, and that we could show a little gratitude now and then. But gratitude comes and goes and could be also shown in various forms, not just through capital.

If money was truly an issue for TUS, I would then think it couldn't had survived for 14 years is it? No, MonkeyIsland doesn't strike me as person who ask people for money repeatedly, or even at all. I would like to believe that it is more about providing a central hub for people with similar interest. And if people would donate now and then, then that would be an extra, but not a necessity of the sustainability of the website. Because I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money.

It is obvious that ZaR community wouldn't be what it is today without TUS, perhaps nothing at all. That doesn't mean I don't recognize the value of MonkeyIsland's work.

  For the record, I am not asking on behalf of MI, I am asking on behalf of thewalrus and all the other heroes that realize this website we utilize isn’t free. 

You can keep telling yourself that but that's what you are doing is cyber begging. You also make it sound that lot of people on TUS and WA aren't ''heroes'' and that they don't live up to your standards, that they are ''Ignorant''. It is obvious that ''nothing'' is free. But there is no ''catch'' here on TUS.

[Zalo the moler]

"I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money"

Just because MI doesn't expect something, it has no relevance to the fact that he deserves it. That's the point of donations. They are deserved.


It doesn't need to be from you or anyone. It's just a good deed to encourage people to thank MI this way.

[Kradie]

"I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money"

It has no relevance to the fact that he deserves it. That's the point of donations. They are deserved, not demanded.


It doesn't need to be from you or anyone. It's just a good deed to encourage people to thank MI this way.

I never said he didn't deserve it though. But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

[Zalo the moler]

But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... 

[Kradie]

But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... 

Nothing wrong asking for donation, but not done unofficially and excessively. I would say 2 to 4 times a year is sufficient to ask for donation by the Headmaster.

[FoxHound]

I donated money to Wikipedia more than once and recently I donated to The Internet Archive. Both were needing money, so they asked and I donated. Maybe if Monkey Island were needing/asking money for a big project on TUS I would have donated already, but after this discussion I think I will contribute to TUS because this website is amazing, Monkey Island deserves it and right now he is improving the website, so I want to contribute before the update. Perhaps the contribution will be an incentive. The sad thing is that because of the pandemic and the president of my country, my money won't be so valuable because the Dollar is way higher than Real (brazilian currency). Our situation could be worse, comparing to the economy of other countries. The gas price is absurd here, but TUS doesn't need gas xD

[TheWalrus]

But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... 

Nothing wrong asking for donation, but not done unofficially and excessively. I would say 2 to 4 times a year is sufficient to ask for donation by the Headmaster.

He never asks for donations, not even 2-4 times a year.  Alborz strikes me as a proud individual.  No one is cyber begging here, I just thought it important to note, in this particular case, the permissions you were looking for could be obtained for a nominal donation.  I don't think it is ridiculous to note that this site is free, has no advertisements or banners on it, and MI foots the financial bill.  As the model is self supporting, it is privately funded by the owner and through donations.  Your 'value' arguments just sound like your insecurities being projected.  Don't worry kradie, you are a lynchpin of this community, and I don't know where we would be without you and the zar community. 

Feel free to stop waging war on people donating to this free of charge website at any point. 

[Kradie]

]He never asks for donations, not even 2-4 times a year.

I know he didn't, it is already established.

To ask 2-4 times per year for donation was an example for what I consider is acceptable amount to ask for donation.

Alborz strikes me as a proud individual.

He should be. His accomplishment far overshadow our own, James.

No one is cyber begging here, I just thought it important to note, in this particular case, the permissions you were looking for could be obtained for a nominal donation

I was never looking for permission for nominal donation.

I don't think it is ridiculous to note that this site is free, has no advertisements or banners on it, and MI foots the financial bill.  As the model is self supporting, it is privately funded by the owner and through donations.

Of course it is, James, and I understand that. I am just not completely buying the fact that donation that may happen once in a while keep this site a float.

Your 'value' arguments just sound like your insecurities being projecte 

That sounds like conjecture to me.

Don't worry kradie, you are a lynchpin of this community, and I don't know where we would be without you and the zar community. 

And you are?

Feel free to stop waging war on people donating to this free of charge website at any point.

Do you think you are waging a war? I just wanted to make a point. Nothing against MI, at all. I am glad people donate.

[Sensei]

But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

You're the guy that uses this site more than anyone here. Creating new threads every time you think of anything remotely relevant, adding polls that most of the time doesn't make any sense, working hard to get your community a cult status of some sort.. And MI is the guy that allows all of that without asking anything in return.

After all "milking" you've done and after saying you won't give a cent to MI, loud and clear, you're the only member that isn't satisfied with donation/exclusive benefits system..
This is you, Kradie: "MI, you shall not receive a dime from me.. But I need to build a new community, so make sure to make it happen.. FOR FREE, ASAP!"

Walrus wasn't pestering anyone to do anything. He was only trolling you and he had every right to do it.
You're hitting all time low with this, my friend.

[lolicon-guy]

Now THIS is the things that split people up. Even a single wrong word can throw a whole argument through the window. Even complete communities. "100 idiot points for ya!". What's the point, it's obvious that you all want to suggest improvements (is that properly worded? I don't even know), now all you need to do is calm the f@#! down, and at least TRY to find a more "agreeable" idea, rather than steeping to "how bad you think" bullshit.

IMHO

[Kradie]

You're the guy that uses this site more than anyone here. Creating new threads every time you think of anything remotely relevant, adding polls that most of the time doesn't make any sense, working hard to get your community a cult status of some sort.. And MI is the guy that allows all of that without asking anything in return.

If you don't approve the way how I try to bring activity to TUS and Worms Community, then you have the option to ignore it, right?

After all "milking" you've done and after saying you won't give a cent to MI, loud and clear, you're the only member that isn't satisfied with donation/exclusive benefits system..

I have never said I would never give a cent to MonkeyIsland. I believe I used the word ''currently'' in a couple of posts back. I merely proposed my Idea how to help TUS. You will still have your commodity in tact.

This is you, Kradie: "MI, you shall not receive a dime from me.. But I need to build a new community, so make sure to make it happen.. FOR FREE, ASAP!"

That's delusion from your own interpretation. This can be applied to ANY member, that chooses to use any of TUS's facilities.

Walrus wasn't pestering anyone to do anything. He was only trolling you and he had every right to do it.
You're hitting all time low with this, my friend.

And this is supposed to be encouraged, how?

I don't think there is a written text that says ''To use ones facilities serves them the right to ask or continuously ask for donation money by any means necessary which can Include: Trolling, group pressuring, and guilt tripping''. Although I can understand that it may be a ''given'' if one do actually enjoy something, it only stands to reason to donate. But there seem to be NO choice, only the tittle ''Odd man out''.

[xnd]

Hey folks?! If I may, I will say a few things. This is my first post. Reading your comments I realize that everyone thinks the same way. You just expressed yourself differently. Everyone agrees that donations are always welcome and any new idea, mechanism created, benefits or rewards bring more engagement to the game, just like this site. When we analyze a person's opinions, we cannot use only one sentence or text. This opinion is placed within a context. So the context must be taken into account so that it does not generate confusion. I registered on this site in 2012 and thought the initiative fantastic. Confess that I did not know how he had been raised until today. I didn't have much time available at the time, and still don't. I liked to go in and play just to relax. Today, I realize that old players continue to play and see that we have a community with solid foundations. When I have time, I will try to contribute to this game being played for many years to come. I see that you all love the game and I am very grateful for everything you do. Thank you very much!