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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: FoxHound on September 22, 2021, 03:55 AM
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Hi, maybe the idea of having more communities than only 2 is not new and it seems some people are already in more than 2 communities (I don't know why). But, I was thinking that it would be nice to be in more than 2 communities, some communities are very nice and I would like to participate them without leaving others I like. Communities are different than clans, so I don't think they should be so restricted as clans are (and must be).
I was thinking that many years have passed and many TUS groups are dead. Players don't join new communities or new clans because they still love their past clans/communities. For example, I would like to join Albus' new community for Intermediate fans (tips, guides and stuff) without needing to leave my own historical community called WoSC which is dead nowadays. I also don't want to leave Proof of Concept because it is a very nice community which is still alive, although less active than years ago.
So, what about this idea: TUS accounts should allow players to stay in as many dead clans or communities they want, but they have limits for active clans or active communities. This would allow people to join new groups while still keeping their accounts on their old favourite clans or communities that are dead. This would also give a good reason for people to mark a community or a clan as inactive.
About communities limit, I think 4 or 5 communities as limit would be great. If too many communities would pollute the players' profiles/avatars, maybe players could choose 2 or 3 to appear along their avatars and posts. Dead clans or dead communities would appear only if you "stalk" a user profile or on the dead group page. Or maybe people could sacrifice some active communities to keep their old clan on profile if the person really enjoys that group and wants this.
Another thing I thought is that maybe a player should be able to join any community it wants (no limit), but it would have to rank the communities by its preference or usage. This way the communities would still have some "weight", some would still be highlighted by players and people could participate and have access to all communities if they desire (and be accepted) while still highlighting the ones the player prefer or is more dedicated/specialized.
These are just some ideas.
EDIT: ah, maybe it would be interesting to see the history of past groups a player had, like player X was member of NNN clan from date Z to date Y, member of cfc clan from year V to year W, etc. Perhaps this is already possible to see, and I'm suggesting something that already exists and I was dumb enough to do not notice.
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In the past if you donate you could get a special colour or extra community slot.
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As I've already expressed my opinion to FoxHound before, I support the idea!
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What's the point of having dead groups discussions? I'm not quite sure, but if I were this community, I would definitely opt for a more compelling narrative to get the point running and have great ideas flowing. That's just me though. But it's entirely up to you as to how you're going to make out the best time in a forum as possible.
I wonder if you read my post and not only the title, which says about a limit. I proposed this idea exactly because I'm thinking on new clans and new communities. Players don't want to leave their past clans and communities. Also, I do care about the historical information of this game, this community and this website. We can learn a lot from the past.
Do you have an example of a good way to inspire people to play more and be more active with new clans? Do you want to teach me the way I should use this forum?
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For a long time now there's been more than 2 community slots reserved for people who have donated, and rightfully so. But perhaps now it is time to give regular members more community slots, and compensate donaters with other exclusive benefits. I think this could encourage more engagement in the WA community and tie us more together.
What do you think MonkeyIsland, and others?
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I'll do something about this but can't now. I'm busy with other parts of TUS at the moment.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
I'm thinking about donating to TUS or to Nizikawa, or other developers of the game now that I have a job. But my suggestion is not thinking for myself only, because I don't care that much about receiving an extra slot when most people will still keep using the limited space for dead communities on their accounts. I'm thinking about something that in my opinion would be better for this community and this website. I don't like capitalism and its associated individualist culture. We live in a society like any existing primate in this world, and this game, this website, they exist because we are a society. If I donate, I will not ask for a new community slot.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.
Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof :) So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not? I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. :)
And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.
Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof :) So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not? I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. :)
And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.
No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot. You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate. Give MI money and make TUS great again.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.
Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof :) So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not? I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. :)
And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.
No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot. You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate. Give MI money and make TUS great again.
You missed the entire point, James. Bravo.... :(
Also in your case, you should not hustle people for charity on behalf of other. A person is not less a man that chooses not to donate.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.
Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof :) So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not? I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. :)
And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.
No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot. You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate. Give MI money and make TUS great again.
You missed the entire point, James. Bravo.... :(
Also in your case, you should not hustle people for charity on behalf of other. A person is not less a man that chooses not to donate.
I am the top #1 SJW guy here, if not me then who?
Also, #1 charity hustler guy. A man is indeed less than a man that donates.
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Donate to TUS! MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating. Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.
A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.
Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof :) So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not? I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. :)
And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.
No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot. You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate. Give MI money and make TUS great again.
You missed the entire point, James. Bravo.... :(
Also in your case, you should not hustle people for charity on behalf of other. A person is not less a man that chooses not to donate.
Also, #1 charity hustler guy. A man is indeed less than a man that donates.
That's where you're wrong. Just because a person chooses not to donate doesn't make them less valuable. In some cases there are other forms of charity than money.
And I don't think it is okay for you to ask TUS members on behalf of MonkeyIsland for donation. I am sure if MonkeyIsland really needed the money, I would think he would find another source of revenue. But from my point of view it doesn't seem as urgent as you make it out to be. TUS is great, and to my understanding MonkeyIsland is currently developing a new version of TUS. He probably does this at his free time, when the mood strikes, and if he would think money would motivate him, I am sure he would have humbly asked for it, that's conjecture of course.
What are you are doing now James, is counterproductive and has the opposite effect, it doesn't help anyone or TUS.
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@TheWalrus, there is no pressure on members for donating and I don't distinguish between people who do and don't. TUS welcomes everyone who is interested in W:A.
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I actually 100% agree with TheWalrus here :-[
MI has been doing God's work, and to me, WA.exe would never be WA.exe without TUS. MI's engagement is absolutely exceptional, let alone MI's humility.
I regularly follow retro gaming communities, (like Classic Tetris World Championship), and it warms up my heart to see people with MI's passion, taking care of all the community members, for decades... :( :(
I might look silly admitting that, but TUS has helped me greatly in dealing with my life, being a great escape. It's just my opinion, and I might be totally wrong, but it feels a bit rude to me to express hope for constant updates after this many years :-X I think it's just high time to give credit and applause to the ones who deserve it, and donations are the most appropriate way to do so. Again, just my opinion.
And I don't think it is okay for you to ask TUS members on behalf of MonkeyIsland for donation.
TheWalrus isn't doing it anywhere on behalf of MonkeyIsland ??? ??? He only encourages people to appreciate what they have here, and rightfully so. I encourage as well.
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TheWalrus isn't doing it anywhere on behalf of MonkeyIsland ??? ??? He only encourages people to appreciate what they have here, and rightfully so. I encourage as well.
I personally find it distasteful when people continuously ask for donation, especially on behalf of others. Let's say none of this donation discussion took place, and MonkeyIsland made a humble topic about the necessity of donation, I would process the Idea of donating. But currently I don't feel like it.
You are not more valuable because you donate. You are valuable how you choose to contribute to the community as a person, and what you may have done. To give money is of course a extra, a noble humble thing to do, but not a necessity, and a requirement, especially under group pressure.
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Kradie, you do realize that the community you are ‘adding value to’ wouldn’t exist if monkey island doesn’t keep ‘adding value’ with actual, tangible, monetary payments. For a staunch conservative, you really do subscribe to the ‘something for nothing’ socialist ideals that you espouse on a regular basis. I guess whatever rhetoric suits you, right. For the record, I am not asking on behalf of MI, I am asking on behalf of thewalrus and all the other heroes that realize this website we utilize isn’t free. I will make sure the next time I donate, I will do so in your name Kradie.
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Kradie ??? ??
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Suits my own rhetoric? Perhaps my own arguments so far holds a little more merit than others.
There is no escaping the Inevitable fact that MonkeyIsland Indeed have done great things to this Worms Armageddon community, and that we could show a little gratitude now and then. But gratitude comes and goes and could be also shown in various forms, not just through capital.
If money was truly an issue for TUS, I would then think it couldn't had survived for 14 years is it? No, MonkeyIsland doesn't strike me as person who ask people for money repeatedly, or even at all. I would like to believe that it is more about providing a central hub for people with similar interest. And if people would donate now and then, then that would be an extra, but not a necessity of the sustainability of the website. Because I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money.
It is obvious that ZaR community wouldn't be what it is today without TUS, perhaps nothing at all. That doesn't mean I don't recognize the value of MonkeyIsland's work.
For the record, I am not asking on behalf of MI, I am asking on behalf of thewalrus and all the other heroes that realize this website we utilize isn’t free.
You can keep telling yourself that but that's what you are doing is cyber begging. You also make it sound that lot of people on TUS and WA aren't ''heroes'' and that they don't live up to your standards, that they are ''Ignorant''. It is obvious that ''nothing'' is free. But there is no ''catch'' here on TUS.
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"I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money"
Just because MI doesn't expect something, it has no relevance to the fact that he deserves it. That's the point of donations. They are deserved.
It doesn't need to be from you or anyone. It's just a good deed to encourage people to thank MI this way.
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"I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money"
It has no relevance to the fact that he deserves it. That's the point of donations. They are deserved, not demanded.
It doesn't need to be from you or anyone. It's just a good deed to encourage people to thank MI this way.
I never said he didn't deserve it though. But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.
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But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.
Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... ???
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But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.
Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... ???
Nothing wrong asking for donation, but not done unofficially and excessively. I would say 2 to 4 times a year is sufficient to ask for donation by the Headmaster.
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I donated money to Wikipedia more than once and recently I donated to The Internet Archive. Both were needing money, so they asked and I donated. Maybe if Monkey Island were needing/asking money for a big project on TUS I would have donated already, but after this discussion I think I will contribute to TUS because this website is amazing, Monkey Island deserves it and right now he is improving the website, so I want to contribute before the update. Perhaps the contribution will be an incentive. The sad thing is that because of the pandemic and the president of my country, my money won't be so valuable because the Dollar is way higher than Real (brazilian currency). Our situation could be worse, comparing to the economy of other countries. The gas price is absurd here, but TUS doesn't need gas xD
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But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.
Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... ???
Nothing wrong asking for donation, but not done unofficially and excessively. I would say 2 to 4 times a year is sufficient to ask for donation by the Headmaster.
He never asks for donations, not even 2-4 times a year. Alborz strikes me as a proud individual. No one is cyber begging here, I just thought it important to note, in this particular case, the permissions you were looking for could be obtained for a nominal donation. I don't think it is ridiculous to note that this site is free, has no advertisements or banners on it, and MI foots the financial bill. As the model is self supporting, it is privately funded by the owner and through donations. Your 'value' arguments just sound like your insecurities being projected. Don't worry kradie, you are a lynchpin of this community, and I don't know where we would be without you and the zar community.
Feel free to stop waging war on people donating to this free of charge website at any point.
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]He never asks for donations, not even 2-4 times a year.
I know he didn't, it is already established.
To ask 2-4 times per year for donation was an example for what I consider is acceptable amount to ask for donation.
Alborz strikes me as a proud individual.
He should be. His accomplishment far overshadow our own, James.
No one is cyber begging here, I just thought it important to note, in this particular case, the permissions you were looking for could be obtained for a nominal donation
I was never looking for permission for nominal donation.
I don't think it is ridiculous to note that this site is free, has no advertisements or banners on it, and MI foots the financial bill. As the model is self supporting, it is privately funded by the owner and through donations.
Of course it is, James, and I understand that. I am just not completely buying the fact that donation that may happen once in a while keep this site a float.
Your 'value' arguments just sound like your insecurities being projecte
That sounds like conjecture to me.
Don't worry kradie, you are a lynchpin of this community, and I don't know where we would be without you and the zar community.
And you are?
Feel free to stop waging war on people donating to this free of charge website at any point.
Do you think you are waging a war? I just wanted to make a point. Nothing against MI, at all. I am glad people donate.
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But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.
You're the guy that uses this site more than anyone here. Creating new threads every time you think of anything remotely relevant, adding polls that most of the time doesn't make any sense, working hard to get your community a cult status of some sort.. And MI is the guy that allows all of that without asking anything in return.
After all "milking" you've done and after saying you won't give a cent to MI, loud and clear, you're the only member that isn't satisfied with donation/exclusive benefits system..
This is you, Kradie: "MI, you shall not receive a dime from me.. But I need to build a new community, so make sure to make it happen.. FOR FREE, ASAP!"
Walrus wasn't pestering anyone to do anything. He was only trolling you and he had every right to do it.
You're hitting all time low with this, my friend.
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Now THIS is the things that split people up. Even a single wrong word can throw a whole argument through the window. Even complete communities. "100 idiot points for ya!". What's the point, it's obvious that you all want to suggest improvements (is that properly worded? I don't even know), now all you need to do is calm the f@#! down, and at least TRY to find a more "agreeable" idea, rather than steeping to "how bad you think" bullshit.
IMHO
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You're the guy that uses this site more than anyone here. Creating new threads every time you think of anything remotely relevant, adding polls that most of the time doesn't make any sense, working hard to get your community a cult status of some sort.. And MI is the guy that allows all of that without asking anything in return.
If you don't approve the way how I try to bring activity to TUS and Worms Community, then you have the option to ignore it, right?
After all "milking" you've done and after saying you won't give a cent to MI, loud and clear, you're the only member that isn't satisfied with donation/exclusive benefits system..
I have never said I would never give a cent to MonkeyIsland. I believe I used the word ''currently'' in a couple of posts back. I merely proposed my Idea how to help TUS. You will still have your commodity in tact.
This is you, Kradie: "MI, you shall not receive a dime from me.. But I need to build a new community, so make sure to make it happen.. FOR FREE, ASAP!"
That's delusion from your own interpretation. This can be applied to ANY member, that chooses to use any of TUS's facilities.
Walrus wasn't pestering anyone to do anything. He was only trolling you and he had every right to do it.
You're hitting all time low with this, my friend.
And this is supposed to be encouraged, how?
I don't think there is a written text that says ''To use ones facilities serves them the right to ask or continuously ask for donation money by any means necessary which can Include: Trolling, group pressuring, and guilt tripping''. Although I can understand that it may be a ''given'' if one do actually enjoy something, it only stands to reason to donate. But there seem to be NO choice, only the tittle ''Odd man out''.
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Hey folks?! If I may, I will say a few things. This is my first post. Reading your comments I realize that everyone thinks the same way. You just expressed yourself differently. Everyone agrees that donations are always welcome and any new idea, mechanism created, benefits or rewards bring more engagement to the game, just like this site. When we analyze a person's opinions, we cannot use only one sentence or text. This opinion is placed within a context. So the context must be taken into account so that it does not generate confusion. I registered on this site in 2012 and thought the initiative fantastic. Confess that I did not know how he had been raised until today. I didn't have much time available at the time, and still don't. I liked to go in and play just to relax. Today, I realize that old players continue to play and see that we have a community with solid foundations. When I have time, I will try to contribute to this game being played for many years to come. I see that you all love the game and I am very grateful for everything you do. Thank you very much!
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Did you donate to LEGION yet, Sensei? He has done wonderful work for this community. Show some gratitude and support, and finally, respect!
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Did you donate to LEGION yet, Sensei? He has done wonderful work for this community. Show some gratitude and support, and finally, respect!
Are you really going there? After requesting MI to change whole donation system to suit only your needs cause it's against your belief to donate 2$ to a site where you practically live last 10 years.. Just because you wanted an extra community slot? You felt ashamed after my post ha? Well, that's good. You should've!
Yeah, I don't mind giving few bucks to Legion or anyone else that made WA better. Spent lot of time generating maps in his program and if money is how gratitude should be shown, 5$ won't make me richer or poorer.
Now go offline for rest of the evening, Kradie. It can just go more downhill for you from this point. Cool your head and come back tomorrow. Stay cheap! <3
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Did you donate to LEGION yet, Sensei? He has done wonderful work for this community. Show some gratitude and support, and finally, respect!
Are you really going there? After requesting MI to change whole donation system to suit only your needs cause it's against your belief to donate 2$ to a site where you practically live last 10 years.. Just because you wanted an extra community slot? You felt ashamed after my post ha? Well, that's good. You should've!
Yeah, I don't mind giving few bucks to Legion or anyone else that made WA better. Spent lot of time generating maps in his program and if money is how gratitude should be shown, 5$ won't make me richer or poorer.
Now go offline for rest of the evening, Kradie. It can just go more downhill for you from this point. Cool your head and come back tomorrow. Stay cheap! <3
I never requested extra community slot, just proposal.
You ought to donate him some money, you do love his program a lot and he deserves it. Proud of you.
Downhill for Kradie? There was never such thing, you are deluded Sensei. You are not very Impartial as a moderator.
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Come on guys. Just come on.