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The thing about this system is that it only takes one person for you to get -100s of karma points which isnt fair.

I think it would be good to remove the karma system, and have a system that allows posts to be rated either good or bad instead (like youtube for example).

Not that karma should be taken too seriosuly, but I can imagine its slightly annoying for people who have -100s with no chance of it ever changing.

If you dont fancy changing it altogther, then why not let people reset their karma back to 0 say up to twice a season, sounds good?

well, I agree with Nail. For example I have got karma over -100, and there is no chance to make it better. Ppl just reflex give me smite ;)

I agree. This karma system is like the indien religion. Poor people can't socialize with rich people. It is riddiculous imho. Players should be able to redeem their karma stats !

yeah, it's more about who like who, and who not. Ppl don't give you applaud or smite because of posts, well sometimes too, but seldom. For more ppl who don't like you give you smite, and ppl who like you, don't care about it mostly ;)

Yeh your right maciej, it becomes more of a popularity contest (also on whether people agree or disagree to someones post), more than a worthy depiction of somebodys "reputation", at least it was more modest before when it was related to as "karma"!

Take DT for example, he doesnt deserve that -100 wteva karma... he just did a good job hosting a ctf cup! He may talk too much sometimes, but he isnt out to offend or annoy anyone, ill tell him stfu when he talks too much, but this doesnt mean hes not a nice enough guy...

well, I don't know why ppl don't like him so much

well, u are right, and my karma is an e.g. i was alwys with positive karm, but then someone started smiting me evryday even when i dnt show, even if i dnt post in a week, and now its what u see, but i dnt care and u should do the same, evryone know how it work and karma isnt even a true image of players, so im fine with it :) and btw i've more then 1100 posts, isnt that bad.

ps, ive to say to who smite me, if it make u more happy, pls dnt stop :]
i glad to know that i can make kids happy with karma thing XDDDDDDDD

:) It's funny when you tell your opinion related to a complaint, and it's against the complaining player, no insults, no anything, just a point of view, then the following day you discover your karma going down with like 5 points. :D But anyway, I also think it should be considered to remove it completely, the newcomers to the site might have preconception towards a player with low karma.

It's interesting to see what handling specific complaint does to my karma :) If it goes down too fast, then it'll tell me I'm going too fast down the way of the Kiros.
My reputation hasn't gone through the drain yet, so I don't seem to suck too much at modding so far :-[

It's kind of why I gave up moderating, I didn't feel as much experienced as the others and also, I discovered my karma going down in many cases, so I just didn't want to give TUS a bad name.

Well, I was giving some applauds to good post at forum and smite ppl, which are just annoying me (or my clan). But total, I was given maybe 10 clicks of that karma system. So I rly dont care at all. For me, we could remove it. ;)

The question, why dt has so much -karma is just his past. He is someday "nice" and someday just a little kid. I just saw dt plenty of times ppl annoying in #ag, call them "noob" etc.

Yesterday I was given him some new elite ladder link to try out (because he's asking in #ag for it). After he checked members in that ladder he just wrote: "There are too many noobs in it". Just for you to know: Random00, Darkz, Ray, JohnMcClane, me and some other "old" Eliteplayers are in that re-opened esl-ladder. Sometimes I dont understand dt at all. Want to help him to find a new Elite-Ladder and at the end, I didnt even got a "thx" or something. But, thats no reason for me given some smite's for him. Like i wrote above, I dont rly care that karma-system.

Quote from: NAiL on April 16, 2010, 08:31 PMTake DT for example, he doesnt deserve that -100 wteva karma... he just did a good job hosting a ctf cup! He may talk too much sometimes, but he isnt out to offend or annoy anyone, ill tell him stfu when he talks too much, but this doesnt mean hes not a nice enough guy...

couldnt disagree with you more, look at his attitude in this chat https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-24297/... and thats just one situation, most of the people with extremely negative karma have it for a reason...

to extend the points WookA made, he is doing a good job modding the CTF cup. It is the only reason his Karma isn't -400 (his post count has grown about 100 since the CTF cup, but his karma has gone down only a few points, dramatically raising his karma per post)

hmm well yeh I dont deny he acts dumb sometimes, but still I think people shoud be allowed to rest their karma at least once a season, disagree with that?

Well, resetting kind of defeats the purpose of a karma system, doesn't it?

If you don't want to have such negative karma, stop behaving in a manner that will get people to smite you. It's not so difficult, really :) People do it all the time.

Quote from: DarkOne on April 18, 2010, 06:25 PM
If you don't want to have such negative karma, stop behaving in a manner that will get people to smite you. It's not so difficult, really :)

you are little silly Darkone. Read what I have written before oO

Some karma's are exaggerated. But all are because the character you've shown to the community yourself.

Quote from: Maciej on April 18, 2010, 06:29 PM

Quote from: DarkOne on April 18, 2010, 06:25 PM
If you don't want to have such negative karma, stop behaving in a manner that will get people to smite you. It's not so difficult, really :)

you are little silly Darkone. Read what I have written before oO

That's not silly at all. Read your last PMs to me to know what is silly.

Doubletime -248
Maciej -140
me -26
MonkeyIsland 240

hehe :D pls 27 + for me xD

Quote from: Chelsea on April 18, 2010, 07:04 PM
Doubletime -248
Maciej -140
me -26
MonkeyIsland 240

hehe :D pls 27 + for me xD

Use Scales of justice. xD

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 18, 2010, 06:48 PM
Some karma's are exaggerated. But all are because the character you've shown to the community yourself.

i cant belive that u worte that, i've been helping tus from start, and my karma is -50. maybe not now and not anymore, i have no time and i dnt feel for it, tus isnt what was before, but this is not the point.
still, im glad to know that there are kids that be happy smiting me evryday, this is the good thing u can make someone happy doing nothing :)
but u cant compare me with zippo, crash or w/e.

dnt remove karma, we are making more ppl happy

Quote from: Dulek on April 18, 2010, 07:16 PM

Quote from: Chelsea on April 18, 2010, 07:04 PM
Doubletime -248
Maciej -140
me -26
MonkeyIsland 240

hehe :D pls 27 + for me xD

Use Scales of justice. xD

See, this is the post I give an applaud for. :D

Tiem ago i said somehthing about revealing the ppl whos smitting u or applauding and put the feature of comment why u smitte or applaud like telling a reason of why u press the button is useless if u just press it to annoy the popularity of the guy who's getting his low reputation like maciej i've smitted him sometimes and those times i rly would like to post why i smitted him i liek nails idea about making it like youtube u press the smitte/applaud and then u comment why u did it, being annon it's just meant for ppl that are wussies and just wanna annoy there shouldn't be this kind of secret stuff on a league imo.

It appears, some people get extremly low karma due of one or two people who smite them everydays. Why not just get a limit on smiting on someone everymonth.
For exemple, even if i deeply want to smite everyday Mr X this month, I'll be able to smite him only 6 times this month and I'll have to wait for the next month to smite him again :).

If they do it everyday (waiting for the 24 hours), they can wait the next month too.

But really, who cares about this karma system ?
It can't be true, so there is no point in it.

Quote from: DarkOne on April 18, 2010, 06:25 PM
Well, resetting kind of defeats the purpose of a karma system, doesn't it?

If you don't want to have such negative karma, stop behaving in a manner that will get people to smite you. It's not so difficult, really :) People do it all the time.

No, people have such negative karma due to a small number of people smiting the same person over and over again and in many cases this is not a fair reflection of sombodies "reputation" amongst the majority of people...

Allowing a reset would actually give people who have very low karma more of an incentive to change their attitudes than for it to just be permenatly low for ever, surely people deserve a "second chance"?

I dont see whats wrong with allowing people  to reset it once a season... you need to remember that its only a small number of people who press -1 every day that cause  someone to have very low karma.

I don't think it's only 1 or 2 people smiting zippo and doubletime everyday..

hahahahaha darkmaul ;P

i think u dont know me ;P

beer...guaton...dub-c...dulek...almost all brazilians...ninjacamel...spw...i think i have alot of persons than smite me everytime ;D

only nail love me ;D

i love u too nail ;*

Quote from: ZiPpO on April 19, 2010, 04:11 AM
ninjacamel...

if i dont like doesnt mean that i would smite u rofl

Zippo, read my post, then ur smarter.

I dont gives smites or applaudes - I dont care that karma-system. So maybe I was given some 6 Applauds and 4 Smites away in my whole "TUS-Career". I have better things to do than smiting every 24 hour some people lol.

i think we have to keep it, if u have bad reputation and all smite u, it's because u have a problem (i am speaking with zippo, maciej, and doubletime) and maybe it's not 1 person everytime smite u xD i don't care about my reputation and i smite ppl when i see stupid topic or reflexion, and stupd ppl's ^^ good nite, peace  8)

I dont think resetting the karma is useful at all, maybe a limit per month for each player can be useful, but Im not sure about that ;d
The problem could basically be that people give away applauds and smites just because of the person and not because of the post that this person made ;O
I think there are even good examples for good and bad posts here. (but it will remain secret which is good and which isnt :P )

Quote from: devilage on April 18, 2010, 10:18 PM
Tiem ago i said somehthing about revealing the ppl whos smitting u or applauding and put the feature of comment why u smitte or applaud like telling a reason of why u press the button is useless if u just press it to annoy the popularity of the guy who's getting his low reputation like maciej i've smitted him sometimes and those times i rly would like to post why i smitted him i liek nails idea about making it like youtube u press the smitte/applaud and then u comment why u did it, being annon it's just meant for ppl that are wussies and just wanna annoy there shouldn't be this kind of secret stuff on a league imo.

Quote from: Dulek on April 18, 2010, 07:16 PM

Quote from: Chelsea on April 18, 2010, 07:04 PM
Doubletime -248
Maciej -140
me -26
MonkeyIsland 240

hehe :D pls 27 + for me xD

Use Scales of justice. xD

Doubletime fully deserves his karma, acting like little mean kid right from the beginning of his worming career. This includes receiving fastest ban in NNNL history, faking players/drops, writing various bullshit, intentionally annoying everybody, etc etc etc. How can you defend this nasty worm when you know that all "good" that he does (oh yeah, modding the cup, such a big, titanic job) is actually done in purpose of yelling about it later, like "OH LOOK I'M BLOODY USEFUL, I'M GOOD TO COMMUNITY, PRAISE ME".


Now on topic - imho, karma should stay, but its changes must be publicly visible. As for now, you can continuously smite a person just because you don't like him, not for silly posts or bad behaviour. And you won't get punished for this, since all actions are hidden! This renders karma system partially useless.

Though, I'm not sure if karma should be reset after such change in the system or not. With that, I think that having possibility to reset karma each season is nonsense, since karma has nothing to do with your gaming or whatsoever, it is something global.

Tenoritaga, i don't know who you are and i hosted the ctf cup because i wanted to play ctf  and noone else was doing it. I have faked people and played xtc/tus games with their nicks in the past. But i never ever fake dropped. I was accused of doing so in a tut team 17 cup game vs wooka however.

I don't even know who you are. But it is pest that certain ppl spend more time reading my logs then playing wA......

I like how you're trying to pass off that people checking your logs are a bad thing, while faking people is ok

Quote from: DarkOne on April 21, 2010, 03:45 PM
I like how you're trying to pass off that people checking your logs are a bad thing, while faking people is ok

Well it is annoying how i have 5 comments on a game were i flame. Despite the fact that the previus replay ( reason )= had no comments. Faking is bad to however. Long time ago since i did that =)

Quote from: doubletime on April 21, 2010, 03:03 PMI was accused of doing so in a tut team 17 cup game vs wooka however.

maybe you shouldnt write "im gonna fake drop" before you quit  ::)
especially since we dropped 2 games before that

Quote from: WookA on April 21, 2010, 04:59 PM

Quote from: doubletime on April 21, 2010, 03:03 PMI was accused of doing so in a tut team 17 cup game vs wooka however.

maybe you shouldnt write "im gonna fake drop" before you quit  ::)
especially since we dropped 2 games before that

I didnt write " im gonna fake drop " and it only dropped 1 round in the middle of the round, Get your'e facts straight before accusing ppl!

maybe u didnt exactly say it like that but it was close enough and had the same meaning... im sure the replay is around but honestly i dont care, i dealt with it enough when it happened

delete this karma cus some newbs sitting on tus dont have nothing better to do and after 12h smiting for example me ,zippo,doubletime

I bet people set up bots for smiting certain people  ;D

wow crash! you have got a new record! you beated even dt! -339 ftw! xd

Monkey, u can show who smite who, so say if the people is abusif or not plz ^^

That will bring up even more flames.

Lol MI why u have this system then if u don't want flames, u want that ppl play with a player reputation but to be annon like a coward that sucks man, if u don't want flames then just erase the system imo.

I would. But look at the poll in this topic.

Yeah the ones who are voting like that are the ones who like to smite every1 for stupidty, keep it like that MI, keep feeding the cowardness.

and at least one "No" vote was accident;X

I have voted for 3rd option (Yes, and allow posts to be rated instead)! ^^

same here.

Edit: U know like facebook, ppl make comments or put what they are thinking and we the ppl who are his friends can either comment the state or put "I like it", many ppl have asked on fb to put the option "I don't like" like this page fb is a community only difference is that this also a league of a internet playing community,  I would like that the system was like fb so we can comment the posts say if we like or if we hate it.

Quote from: devilage on April 26, 2010, 06:08 PM
Yeah the ones who are voting like that are the ones who like to smite every1 for stupidty, keep it like that MI, keep feeding the cowardness.

I've voted no, and I'm not a coward and I do not spend my time to smite people.
Actually, I've suggested a way to enable people from smitting  the same one everyday.
I'm sorry for the one concerned but people with a so low karma deserve it for some reason as for people with high karma.

Quote from: zippeurfou on April 26, 2010, 06:21 PM

I've voted no, and I'm not a coward and I do not spend my time to smite people.

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OH right fada but... how do I know that? lol


Edit: u suggested more than one smitte per day so the balance of posibilities that u are smitting for no reason are against u :o

Because there's no one I hate in this community, so I've no reason to waste my time doing that.

Well anyway it's a bit out of the topic, sorry.

The topic is karma and we're talking bout that so we are still on the topic.

i voted no and i cant even remember the last time i smited some1(prolly the weed) i usually just applaud for good ideas and sportsmanship

yeah same here but it'sstill annon.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 23, 2010, 07:05 PM
I would. But look at the poll in this topic.

Well its actually quite even if you consider both of the "no" options together.

I really think it needs to go, it creats an uneasy atmosphere, paranoia, people smiting people because they dont like them and not for contributions they may or may not have made.

There are lots of people on here who have negative karma (not mega low karma), but low karma still, when they do not deserve it. It creates a sort of unessecary heirachy and as dev said, promotes an anonymous, paranoid, bitchy atmosphere.

Get rid of it please! Everyone knows who's who, theres no need for it especially when all it does it promote negativity. I can go into a lot more detail as to why it does more bad than good...

 Agreed.

Quote from: NAiL on April 26, 2010, 07:31 PM
Well its actually quite even if you consider both of the "no" options together.

45% vs 55% is not that even, though. I'm sure some people would've voted differently if they had the option "No, but a few minor changes are needed".
The "anonymous, paranoid, bitchy atmosphere" (at least I think so) is not created by the karma system.
Plenty of sites that don't have the karma system have that very same atmosphere.

Right now:

146 members have positive karma.
80 members have negative karma.
950 members have zero.

I'm not talking about stadistics, I'm talking about a community that has an anonymous way to point the comments of the ppl, and that's what I don't like ppl can make a judgement of ur post or just do it to try to annoy or denigrate, it's not a big deal since this is a game, but even on games things shouldn't be secrects in a good way or in a bad way.

so if there had been an answer "No, but there ought to be more transparency", you would've voted for that?

Indeed and that transparency is to know who's smitting or applauding :)


Edit: If I keep arguing on the forums ppl will keep smitting me and I'll never know who's doing it, but if I knew I bet that they won't do it that often.

Quote from: devilage on April 27, 2010, 04:30 AM
Indeed and that transparency is to know who's smitting or applauding :)

Karma would be useless if we know who is doing what !

well,seeing who smited who is kinda weird...
for example X smits Y and Y starts a "flame war" with X    :-[

that just would bring more conflicts

Quote from: devilage on April 27, 2010, 04:30 AMEdit: If I keep arguing on the forums ppl will keep smitting me and I'll never know who's doing it, but if I knew I bet that they won't do it that often.

this actually shows that the system is working good, we dont want arguments on the forums... karma gives people a reason to not act like an asshole

ill applaud u just cus u care devislut ;P

woah thedogg where tha f@#! have u been u french whore! :D

Quote from: devilage on April 27, 2010, 08:22 PM
woah thedogg where tha f@#! have u been u french whore! :D

Sup man :D

I was working ;)

on ur pron site? xd

No probleme for me you can say who i smited, when i think the post is stupid, or bad i smite, but when i show people was weird in wa (ingame) and i show him post something yay i smite him, but just 1 time, and yay i don't like doubletime but i just smite him when i see stupid post, if he did a nice comment, or he a a nice idea i can apllaud him, and i am the same for all people, who i think is good or notn i voted the 3rd option and i think we can show who smite who and who applaud who, if he have a figth, he can speak on the forum and resolve her problemes, and after that can be friend? don't know, but maybe show that can be more honest and we can be a better communoty like that, if all understand all that will be nice, i am stone peace

Maybe modify the system : You can give (for example) 10 applauds, and 10 smites for 1 player  per season.
So if you just click on (for example again) DT's name smite, that means -10 per season, what isn't that bad. Of course, it's by 1 player, if 10/15 players do it, of course it's different. Anyway it's just an idea.

I have an idea, and it could be related to Karma at some point.

How about creating bettings on the site? On Cup and Play-Off games (and also the League Challenge if it is possible), the system would calculate the probability of winning or losing based on the players' League ranks in the schemes and people would be able to place bets - maybe from their Karma points.

Advantage: more interest in the games, maybe even in the Play-Offs, more people spectate the games, chance to increase your Karma.
Drawback: the skilled players who join the site later and have 1000 rank while players they can easily beat have higher ranks can mess the numbers up.

lol >   www.bwin.com  :D :D

Not bad idea, but also crap :D
It could be ok for some ppl, and it couldn't be ok for some ppl.

I think most of the flames in this forum are because of karma system, how about getting rid of it? just my opinion.

edit: and the karma log is just fueling the fire

Quote from: Husk on July 12, 2011, 08:53 PM
I think most of the flames in this forum are because of karma system, how about getting rid of it? just my opinion.

edit: and the karma log is just fueling the fire

omfg let's all smite husk for what he just said !!! and also for getting back an old thread !! xdddddd

necro posting xDDDDDDDdddddddddddddd

3rd option ftw !

please, keep it as is, i love the smite feature... and whats the other option? i forget! haha

Everything the Karma system does is bring trouble imo. There will always be people complaining about it, people smiting because they simply dislike someone, people who applaud their friends only, it's basically a popularity contest.. I don't care about it and don't like it at the same time tbh.

Quote from: darKz on July 13, 2011, 12:29 AM
Everything the Karma system does is bring trouble imo. There will always be people complaining about it, people smiting because they simply dislike someone, people who applaud their friends only, it's basically a popularity contest.. I don't care about it and don't like it at the same time tbh.

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