Hey all,
I'm one of the relatively new ppl here and I could be wrong but I havent seen this issue being raised anywhere so I'm going to throw an idea.
We're all familiar with the whole applaud/smite function. It is a good way for ppl to easily recognise who's been generally sensible (being generally liked or "liked" for one post doesnt make you sensible but moving on) and who's not.
However, most ppl online are cowardly enough to simply smite something because someone wrote something different than what they did and thats when the issues begin.
In my opinion lifting the anonymity factor out of this suddently will make everyone responsible for what they vote "for" or "against" and that way:
-they will think twice before voting either way
-their opinion will matter
-they can show their support, disapproval without necessarily writing whole essays or even write anything at all, hence decreasing the amount of clutter in the forums.
{ I am aware that in order for this to happen a bit of work will be required from MI so even though this suggestion is unlikely to be wildly accepted and perhaps materialise I would like to show my appreciation for his work anyways. Gj man :) }
It'll be essentially like the Facebook "like" system, i.e. if there are too many "smites" or "applauds" most of the names could be revealed in a small pop-up or something (just a suggestion)
So what do you think?
!
I applaud you for this;
I think that we should use a method like in RS page; you smite or applaud and put your reason. I said this on JEDI forum but they didnt like the idea (as seems).
Yeah i was thinking on post it here too.
http://realsnipers.tk/index/8-0-Rambo there you go :) i have -665 of reputation xDD
I kinda like it the way it is. People tend to get upset when they are smited.. it's gonna be a whole different argument when you know who's behind it (and not in a positive way) :-[
Quote from: HHC on June 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
I kinda like it the way it is. People tend to get upset when they are smited.. it's gonna be a whole different argument when you know who's behind it (and not in a positive way) :-[
Do you think the same amount of ppl will "smite" then? I doubt it. Like I said, ppl will try justify their actions and make them responsible for them. I believe its a more "social", or definetely, a more
honest and open way of dealing with things.
Quote from: HHC on June 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
I kinda like it the way it is. People tend to get upset when they are smited.. it's gonna be a whole different argument when you know who's behind it (and not in a positive way) :-[
That will make ppl think 2 times before smite or applaud :)
You're suggesting to start a huge flame war. Not a very smart thing to suggest imo. :)
Thats what is not understood man, I believe that this way ppl will be incredibly declined to smite at all, rather, they will just write their reasons for disagreeing.
EDIT: haha, 3 smites and counting :) This is what happens when u say an idea, thanks for making my point guys :P
Quote from: Desetroyah on June 20, 2011, 08:13 PM
Thats what is not understood man, I believe that this way ppl will be incredibly declined to smite at all, rather, they will just write their reasons for disagreeing.
EDIT: haha, 3 smites and counting :) This is what happens when u say an idea, thanks for making my point guys :P
True hah :P
naaaa this is not enough.
Imo I believe that the Smite function must to be deleted. We dont need to it. This brings useful discussions and in a big cases its unfair.
DELETE the SMITE AEE
now it works like I applaud you because I like you, and 'he called me noob somewhen, smite!'
sometimes I come on site and see I got like few smites, but no idea for what
the most irritating thing is that sometimes even when you help someone, there are still haters who smite you... :'(
Quote from: Maciej on June 20, 2011, 08:32 PM
now it works like I applaud you because I like you, and 'he called me noob somewhen, smite!'
sometimes I come on site and see I got like few smites, but no idea for what
the most irritating thing is that sometimes even when you help someone, there are still haters who smite you... :'(
Yeah ur reputation sucks now. -125, seems the worse on TUS page xD
The discussion's been had before :)
Most of the time, we settled with keeping it anonymous for the reason mentioned by HHC
I dont think you understood my posts well though. You must imagine that when everyone knows their name would show if they smited without a good enough reason, do you think they would press that button? No they wouldnt, because then they themselves would look like assholes.
My point is, its unfair and it would stop a lot of angst and/or "revenge" smites like ones mentioned by Maciej.
Also, notice how without saying anything bad about anyone I've received god-knows-how-many smites simply because I had the nerve to say an opinion that affects no one personally... I think this makes my point...
Quote from: DarkOne on June 20, 2011, 08:48 PM
The discussion's been had before :)
Most of the time, we settled with keeping it anonymous for the reason mentioned by HHC
Yeah but not because this discussion ''been had before'', we cannot ask it again.
I think that this will be better for us because actually, for example, maciej. See his reputation, Dont you have stopped and thought, why the hell he has that reputation? Maybe 100 or more of his smites are done without a reason. I think that this is a good way to know why.
In RS we had this system, and it worked properly (Until i said that Zed was the Orel's Gf xD)
What's bad about knowing who smites you? If you'r smited or applaud with a good reason there shouldnt be any problem.
I made a suggestion (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/reputation/msg20452/#msg20452) some time ago, it went ignored though..
Either do that and keep it anonymous, or remove the entire karma system imo. Revealing names will not do any good, remember, this is the internet. :P
I wanna be able to give applauds/smites for a post without any justification, so I'd really prefer to have this done anonymously.
1984 :)
Quote from: HHC on June 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
I kinda like it the way it is. People tend to get upset when they are smited.. it's gonna be a whole different argument when you know who's behind it (and not in a positive way) :-[
The point he is making is the fact that people smite people for petty reasons all the time and nobody knows who they are. Without anonymity people are going to smite far less than they do now. They'll only do it when there is a valid reason that other people would agree with. This is undoubtedly a FAIRER system than what we have now. Ive already suggested removing the karma system completely as I believe it does more bad than good.
I think either way is fine with me. Sometimes its annoying to get -1 everyday for a while because you pissed someone off good and don't know who it is. I know if I wake up on a Sunday and I am -10 then I obviously came on tus drunk and pissed people off and deserved smites. I then go back to acting normal for a week and it usually goes back up. So it works. I should be plus 100 soon though as I've finally quit drinking for good. ;D
Quote from: Professor on June 20, 2011, 08:19 PM
naaaa this is not enough.
Imo I believe that the Smite function must to be deleted. We dont need to it. This brings useful discussions and in a big cases its unfair.
DELETE the SMITE AEE
I agree 100% !
Quote from: NAiL on June 20, 2011, 09:12 PM
Quote from: HHC on June 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
I kinda like it the way it is. People tend to get upset when they are smited.. it's gonna be a whole different argument when you know who's behind it (and not in a positive way) :-[
The point he is making is the fact that people smite people for petty reasons all the time and nobody knows who they are. Without anonymity people are going to smite far less than they do now. They'll only do it when there is a valid reason that other people would agree with. This is undoubtedly a FAIRER system than what we have now. Ive already suggested removing the karma system completely as I believe it does more bad than good.
+1 remove
Quote from: NAiL on June 20, 2011, 09:12 PM
They'll only do it when there is a valid reason that other people would agree with.
That's the problem. In discussions/arguments both sides have valid reasons, but that's hardly ever a reason to agree with each other.
People may smite less, but when they do it's 50 times more likely to cause a reaction. There's already some people going berserk when they notice their karma has gone down 1 point. I don't think it's very realistic to expect them to go like 'oh, you negged me, I totally understand, you have a good point' with this new system.
I'm not in favour of removing the whole karma system. I think for some it can be a healthy reality check.
Quote from: Desetroyah on June 20, 2011, 08:53 PM
I dont think you understood my posts well though. You must imagine that when everyone knows their name would show if they smited without a good enough reason, do you think they would press that button? No they wouldnt, because then they themselves would look like assholes.
No, I understood :) But honestly, if someone is so petty to continually smite someone just cause he doesn't like the guy, then that person won't care if he looks like an asshole anyway. Some people don't even know what they're voting for considering some people already got voted on 0-5 as cup moderator despite their cup not having started and them not having hosted cups before.
I don't think losing the anonymity will change anything.
As HHC just said, karma can be a healthy reality check. I found it to be a good feedback loop about how my moderating went. Mostly, it went alright, sometimes, I got a bit of a minus boost, which told me I went too far/had the wrong idea/pissed someone off.
Do you really think removing the anonymity will help there?
As for Chelsea, who here doesn't know his reputation is much lower here than it actually should be in the community?
Quote from: HHC on June 20, 2011, 10:01 PM
I'm not in favour of removing the whole karma system. I think for some it can be a healthy reality check.
I didnt say to remove the whole thing
but you say a few minuses by teenagers can have a positive effect on anyone online?
Or, if you
are an angsty teenager, you think you'll "behave better" with a few minuses? I'm not sure about that...
DarkOne: I see your point but I think you're mostly thinking about the effect of feedback on sensible people, who would be sensible anyways. On the other hand, yes, I do believe people care about not looking like assholes. Sometimes we all are and hopefully we'll apologise or admit when we have been, but I dont think anyone wants this "bad reputation" thing hanging over their head.
To be honest, I'm starting to doubt my own suggestion but I'm breakin my head to come up with a better one and I cant...I have failed my post :(
Well, it clearly isn't a perfect system :o
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." :)
please, dont remove the applaud and smite feature, i have far too much fun smiting komo (when i remember to) because it pisses him off so much lol... i would not mind at all if you make it so everyone can see who is applauding and smiting.. it actually sounds like a good idea, im always curious as to who smites me, and applauds me... and it would make no difference to me, i would still always smite komo :D haha
Is there a way to keep records of who smited who and who applauded who? At the end of each week or month a report could be issued that would say basically who smited/applauded who and how many times... no explanations, just a record. Although, that would probably be a lot of text, but maybe someone has an idea on how it could be organized? This keeps the anonymity factor to an extent since you don't know who did it at the time and when and why someone smited/applauded and it also makes one think before using the karma system since their name will be revealed at the end of the month.
Quote from: avirex on June 21, 2011, 01:38 AMbecause it pisses him off so much lol...
Yeah, then you wake up, keep dreaming boy.
Quote from: darKz on June 20, 2011, 09:02 PM
I made a suggestion (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/reputation/msg20452/#msg20452) some time ago, it went ignored though..
Either do that and keep it anonymous, or remove the entire karma system imo. Revealing names will not do any good, remember, this is the internet. :P
+1
Well I give or take karma sometimes (heh, like now :)), and I do care about how and why, but the whole thing doesn't really make much sense, since most of the ppl here use it in a very immature way..
Quote from: Prankster on June 21, 2011, 07:26 AM
most of the ppl here use karma in a very immature way..
I disagree with that. For most people, it seems to work fine.
FWIW,I just clicked about 30 random profiles from members list (with 30+ posts) and I found only one which had reputation substantialy different than I expected.
+1 Prankster
I've seen my karma decline steadily since yesterday because I said my opinion. Is that cool?
I said nothing to offend anyone and my falling karma (as I said before) proves my point 100%!
Ppl just "smite" because you said something they didnt agree with, let alone affect them.It was meant to be a conversation and what some of you said would happen if my suggestion were to happen ( "flaming" ) is happening now "quietly" on my karma!
The easiest thing is to press a button and know you're safe from anyone knowing you did it, whereas with names, no one would really dare "smite" and not justify unless they wanted to be assholes AND wanted everyone to know!
I just despise cowardness, thats all..
Lemme remind you Rok that sensible ppl (like you and many here) will use any system sensibly, my point is for the ppl who wouldnt and dont. I'm not trying to fight with anyone here (just so that everyone knows :P)
Quote from: ShyGuy on June 21, 2011, 05:29 AM
Is there a way to keep records of who smited who and who applauded who? At the end of each week or month a report could be issued that would say basically who smited/applauded who and how many times... no explanations, just a record. Although, that would probably be a lot of text, but maybe someone has an idea on how it could be organized? This keeps the anonymity factor to an extent since you don't know who did it at the time and when and why someone smited/applauded and it also makes one think before using the karma system since their name will be revealed at the end of the month.
Or something to show how many times someone has applauded/smited, not saying to who, but as an overall figure. Also maybe something to show who has been applauded/smited as an overall figure. Keeping anonymity, but showing who is active in using the system.
Not a bad idea, a person who is generally close to 50-50 (smite-applaud) would have generally been equally sensible (or not, but its still fine!) to most ppl. Whereas someone who's consistently "smiting" would stand out
EDIT: i admit I nearly feel bad for seemingly taking this so seriously but I just think it would be a change for the better of our living space that is TUS :D
I don't think removing anonymity would make things any better. There are trolls that will smite anyway, and they will even enjoy putting something for description like "I smite because I can!" or "Because he is gay". On the negative side it will discourage normal members to smite just because they are not looking for a fight or don't wanna make fuss/trouble.
So in a way, I "think" it will encourage trolls to smite more and on the other side, less deserved-smites.
As much as I, myself like and somehow trust the way karma system works, but you shouldn't read too much into it, nor get offended by smites.
I have been smited for 79 times. You Desetroyah 4 times.
However maybe a log like who has been applauded or smited could be fun or showing separate applauds and smites instead of summing them up.
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
I have been smited for 79 times. You Desetroyah 4 times.
However maybe a log like who has been applauded or smited could be fun or showing separate applauds and smites instead of summing them up.
1) all 4 have been in the last 24hours though ;P
2)I agree with this suggestion, I admitted earlier that I was doubting my own initial suggestion cause I could see how it would actually be less balanced than the current system, so i think yours is a decent compromise :)
That's a good idea, instead of showing 1 figure, show both applauds and smites, +1
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
As much as I, myself like and somehow trust the way karma system works, but you shouldn't read too much into it, nor get offended by smites.
Well, that's what I wanted to say. :)
And Rok, you are right from a point. But people having the karma you are expected them to have doesn't necessarily means that the most people use it consequently.
Maybe I am wrong about saying
the most of, but there are many people who doesn't use it the way as a mature person would. At least that's what I've experienced. :)
The fact is that we see a lot of of post with the end like +1 for it and stuff.
It is hard to see -1 for it and stuff.
Peoples seems to be really afraid to say when they smite to dont get smites back, but when it is an applaud no problem in say +1, cos maybe you get an applaud back from this person hauhaua.
I have a lot of applauds, and maybe it shows how popular and cool iam , but it doesnot really matter cos king right? :D
Quote from: nino on June 21, 2011, 09:24 AM
The fact is that we see a lot of of post with the end like +1 for it and stuff.
It is hard to see -1 for it and stuff.
Peoples seems to be really afraid to say when they smite to dont get smites back, but when it is an applaud no problem in say +1, cos maybe you get an applaud back from this person hauhaua.
I have a lot of applauds, and maybe it shows how popular and cool iam , but it doesnot really matter cos king right? :D
Ppl hate cold....+1 better than -1 XD
Edit: I will give myself a +1 (in my head) now because I'm very funny :P
Edit2: I decided it wasnt so funny so I slapped myself, never -1 :D
k. (http://blig.ig.com.br/lapidando/files/2009/04/sapo.png)
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
However maybe a log like who has been applauded or smited could be fun or showing separate applauds and smites instead of summing them up.
Yeah, so you know which posts did you get smited/applauded :)
I hate minuses, I hate smites, leave +1 button only and all will be happy :P
Quote from: HHC on June 21, 2011, 10:41 AM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
However maybe a log like who has been applauded or smited could be fun or showing separate applauds and smites instead of summing them up.
Yeah, so you know which posts did you get smited/applauded :)
I don't think MI meant that, but it would be interesting nonetheless. Reputation/time graph would be cool! :)
the applaud/smite thing makes only sense to me, if it's not anonymous.
don't want to argue now why i think so, cause deset and others have all said... :)
Anyway MI, why don't you put it for 1 week to see the results ? Worth nothing to try.
You deserve a smite for this topic !!! loool
Quote from: Agneau on June 21, 2011, 03:57 PM
You deserve a smite for this topic !!! loool
Well, I've had all 6-7 of my smites ever since last night I made this topic so maybe its a crime to say an opinion, even if other people aren't affected personally :'(
Thanks for the smite, I wont smite you cause at least you said you did!
Quote from: Agneau on June 21, 2011, 03:57 PM
You deserve a smite for this topic !!! loool
xD
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
... and they will even enjoy putting something for description like "I smite because I can!" or "Because he is gay"...
LOL
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on June 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
I have been smited for 79 times. You Desetroyah 4 times.
However maybe a log like who has been applauded or smited could be fun or showing separate applauds and smites instead of summing them up.
Yeah maybe it could help...
But after this discussion i think that THIS TOOL HAS NOT SENSE! xD
n imporve there MI, smites on one side, applauds on other side, neways i dont think it should be annon at all, like few ppl said thats encourage to inmature ppl who just smites for fun, best example is my bitch avi :p he's not inmature tho, he just wants komos ass mad
Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
he's not inmature tho, he just wants komos ass mad
Which kinda implies that he's immature. :D
Anyway, my idea got ignored *again*.. Is it that bad? :P
Quote from: darKz on June 21, 2011, 08:51 PM
Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
he's not inmature tho, he just wants komos ass mad
Which kinda implies that he's immature. :D
Hehe, just what I wanted to say.. :)
I like your ide René, but then the next question would be that do we need karma at all?
Giving or taking it connected to specific situations is more accurate and objective, but on the other hand, it gives the possibility to easily abuse it (this is the current system).
With your system there would be less interest in the whole karma >> there would be less abuse, but less use as well, so I don't think it would carry more meaning, plus less people would use it at all. This is only my opinion, of course.
Quote from: darKz on June 21, 2011, 08:51 PM
Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
he's not inmature tho, he just wants komos ass mad
Which kinda implies that he's immature. :D
Anyway, my idea got ignored *again*.. Is it that bad? :P
yeah being ironic :p
i guess im immature to a degree, sure... but who cares, mature people are booorrrinnnggg :P
besides, atleast im honest....
i dont hear anyone else saying the -1 people... everyone is just licking ass as nino mentioned with ..
"hua hua hua, good one man, +1"
if anything, this entire community should give me +1 for being the first man to own up to his smites...
so, keep em coming boys, next time i sign onto TUS i want to see +100 karma, thnx in advanced hahahaha
Quote from: avirex on June 22, 2011, 01:21 AM
i guess im immature to a degree, sure... but who cares, mature people are booorrrinnnggg :P
besides, atleast im honest....
i dont hear anyone else saying the -1 people... everyone is just licking ass as nino mentioned with ..
"hua hua hua, good one man, +1"
if anything, this entire community should give me +1 for being the first man to own up to his smites...
so, keep em coming boys, next time i sign onto TUS i want to see +100 karma, thnx in advanced hahahaha
True, from now on I will tell who I -1.
+1 all gogogo
ahahahah once again big LOL @ being "mature" on a forum related to a game like W:A !!!!!
and LOL @ people taking the karma so serious :)
Quote from: THeDoGG on June 22, 2011, 07:42 AM
and LOL @ people taking the karma so serious :)
;)
Quote from: darKz on June 21, 2011, 08:51 PM
Quote from: Devilage on June 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
he's not inmature tho, he just wants komos ass mad
Which kinda implies that he's immature. :D
Anyway, my idea got ignored *again*.. Is it that bad? :P
deserved an applaud for that!
-1 agnos or stop flirting germans:d
A nice idea would have that smite/applaud be like facebook and its "Warlord likes it", so we can see in each post what people liked it and what people didn't :D
there are lot of unmature children who give -1 for fun D:
Quote from: THeDoGG on June 22, 2011, 07:42 AM
ahahahah once again big LOL @ being "mature" on a forum related to a game like W:A !!!!!
and LOL @ people taking the karma so serious :)
oh yeah ur too fancy now with that biig ass c@#! mac eh? har
+1 all gogogo
you know, I always did think the LG icon looked more like an alien than a space helmet
sry shy i must disagree, i don't have sex with such ugly girls... :D
The Chronicles of the Goodly Wife and the Nicely Cooked Hen
Quote from: Warlord on June 22, 2011, 05:33 PM
A nice idea would have that smite/applaud be like facebook and its "Warlord likes it", so we can see in each post what people liked it and what people didn't :D
Randomplayer beat Warlord - 176 people like this
Something like that? xD
Quote from: nino on June 23, 2011, 01:51 AM
0 cos i dont give a f@#! xD
+1 cos he doesn't care.
That would be pretty funny darkz. :D
hauhaua TUSBOOK
Yes, actually in a general way TUS needs some social features :)
MI, is it planned for next version? :P
Well many things are planned for the next version. TUS2 is sucking my blood atm :)
I'd maybe make some design :) if I find time for it
Quote from: NinjaCamel on June 22, 2011, 04:59 PM
-1 agnos or stop flirting germans:d
+1 i love our tent !
Quote from: THeDoGG on June 23, 2011, 10:35 AM
Yes, actually in a general way TUS needs some social features :)
MI, is it planned for next version? :P
Please no... already had enough of this stupid senseless facebook "like" shit everywhere on the internet...
Quote from: chakkman on June 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
Quote from: THeDoGG on June 23, 2011, 10:35 AM
Yes, actually in a general way TUS needs some social features :)
MI, is it planned for next version? :P
Please no... already had enough of this stupid senseless facebook "like" shit everywhere on the internet...
I need a Like button there.. to say I liked this post !! :P
Social doesn't mean only "facebook like".. we could have so much other nice features !
Added the karma log for home page. It is off by default though.
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 01, 2011, 04:49 PM
Added the karma log for home page. It is off by default though.
Ok let's test it.. i'm not sure about what it's saying tho ?
If you applauded or smitted ? But doesn't say to who, right ?
no. It is the target/victim log. It is the person "got smited" or "got applauded"
so the happy slapping goes on
Quote from: Alien on July 01, 2011, 04:57 PM
so the happy slapping goes on
indeed, I get to watch some hater smiting me live now, jee weez, thanks a lot Monkey Island!
(Spiderman reference, not sarcastic comment :D
EDIT: btw, MI, how about the name of the person smited/applauded on the log takes you to the comment in question instead of his profile? What does everyone think?
i smite komo every day ! *brainwashing*(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_gehirnschnecke_stumm.gif)
Quote from: Alien on July 03, 2011, 10:32 AM
i smite komo every day ! *brainwashing*(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_gehirnschnecke_stumm.gif)
Ah, so that's why your in FoS xD
hahah, yes komo, thats one of our requirements, would u like to join?
Quote from: avirex on July 05, 2011, 11:15 PM
hahah, yes komo, thats one of our requirements, would u like to join?
No thanks, I don't need to ask my e-friends for +karma lol.
i remember when some1 faked baing lalo on snooper, and u begging him to go to forum and applaud you... when you do just the opposite of that, u will truly be a fos warrior :-\
Quote from: avirex on July 06, 2011, 10:57 AM
i remember when some1 faked baing lalo on snooper, and u begging him to go to forum and applaud you... when you do just the opposite of that, u will truly be a fos warrior :-\
Yeah, that was fun winding you up :)