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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: avirex on April 30, 2013, 08:49 PM
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recently dainub left cfc, and join AeF... so i asked in dt private if we should allow her to play in the playoffs (being we just played her when she was in cfc) or if i should make a post with our concerns... not everyone in dt posted, but those who did dont see it to be fair...
then i asked peja his thoughts on it, being hes leader of AeF.. he does not think he will be using Dainub, because would not be fair other members that did participate to get to the playoffs...
but peja said this should still be discussed..... so here i am...
should it be legal for Dainub to play in clanners playoffs with cfc, leave them and join AeF (or any clan) and participate with them?...
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We were discussing the same thing today avi, I totally agree with you, I personally think it would be lame, and I even said if daina did play in the PO I myself would pull out.
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i dont even think new members in a clan that did not participate in the season should be able to play in playoffs... i have always had new dt members not take part in playoffs, i dont see it as fair...
but dainub's situation is even more unique lol..
basically, peja all ready made up his made i believe (or you all did as a clan) i just think there should be some kinda of rule, or atleast mention for situations like this in the future.
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like in football
Balotelli played in Champions League to Manchester City, he joined AC Milan, and he couldn't play in Champions league for Milan in curresnt season.
She played in PO for cFc so she can't play now in PO for AeF. (In my opinion)
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Avi is 100% right.
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I don't see any reasons why she shouldn't be allowed to play.
I don't think it's the first time someone plays in a playoff game for a clan in which he didn't finish the season. I wouldn't be surprised for one if CAT/SKZ adds Breeze to their p/o selection even though he joined yesterday.
It's a little weird now, cause she already played for cfc in p/o as well, but yeah dunno... it sounds a bit weird to make a rule for it. She's part of our clan, IMO she can play it. Whether it's desirable, that's another thing.
We will be discussing this in private. As there's no rule atm, I guess it's still up to us to decide.
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It's a little weird now, cause she already played for cfc in p/o as well, but yeah dunno... it sounds a bit weird to make a rule for it. She's part of our clan, IMO she can play it. Whether it's desirable, that's another thing.
We will be discussing this in private. As there's no rule atm, I guess it's still up to us to decide.
Daina is so desperate to kick dt out, thats why she left cFc to join AeF! j/k :p
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but Breeze not played PO in other clan in 31th season, but Daina 1stly played PO for cFc, and now she wanna play for AeF PO, maybe if We will eliminate AeF(but we won't xD) so maybe Daina will join us to play final with dt with us ? xD
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if breeze plays the playoffs, that will be fine... clans have done it many times in the past (i actually brought up a post about it before)
everyone feels its fine to have somone play in the playoffs, regardless if they are a new member
i try not to allow it in dt, regardless of the rules, but to each their own....
but HHC, lets compare apples to apples... dainub just got finish played dt in playoffs... she should not be allowed to play with AeF vs dt in more playoffs.. lol... but i dunno, i guess you see it differently
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so maybe Mablak + Avi + Statik join ŚkZ for PO with AeF to pwn us in final ? xD
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thanks bart summed it up nicely. lolo avi thought we had a private theoretical discussion now you drag my words here xD. in fact, if aef wants her to play, it will happen, considering the fact it isnt forbidden. i have the feeling this discussion is going a bit one sided.
lets look at the main critic point, i guess its correct to generalize it with: "playoffs should be played by the players who were responsible for reaching them"
well in this case i have to say daina played as many games for aef in season 31 as mablak did for dt (or nino did for dt in season 30 where he took part in po finals)
which makes this thing a bit tricky is her participation for cfc in season 31 playoffs. she basicly would have 2 chances to win this trophy, but it is quite meaningless since it is a team and not a single competetion.
of course when you compare it to sports it sounds like a joke, but we are tus we never had regulations in this case. in fact if we make this rule now it would be used reactive since it already happened players took part in Playoffs for clans where they didnt have been in the lineup during the season (watch kaleu playing season 29 playoffs for example)
it may not be the most fair thing to let daina play, but imo we have the right to do it when i look at the past.
well i have to say i agree with avi we should have a rule for playoff participations though, and basicly i understand his point and think he is right, but for the moment we dont have any.
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We already agreed on the fact that having no games played for the clan but participating in the PO is okay, some clan leader allow it, some don't and it happened in the past so it's a lot more common. But this is a different case, daina already played for cFc PO and now she wants to participate again with AeF. This is a very unique case and should be looked at by staff imo. Never seen that in my entire Worms career happening that somebody lost clan PO and then joins another clan that is still in the PO to play PO again.
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Haven't seen this before either, but I'd also lean toward ruling something like: If you participate in one playoff game, you can't play another playoff game for a different clan until next season's playoffs. Still, it's such a unique situation that it may never even happen again.
daiNa if you want to voice your opinion, I'd encourage you to post too, since it's about you after all.
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Do we really need rules for this? Imo this situation should rely on a gentlemen's agreement not to use players, who previously participated in the playoffs.
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it is really unique case, i would say she should not be allowedto play, but if staff and clan shes going to play say it is np, then it is np, got it? if you did np, if not, np ae xD
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Common sense people.
If TUS decides to rule that you can play multiple PO's in same season, think about the consequences that are allowed.
If you lose a PO, your done, always have been, always should be.
An example that might take place if this is allowed: 2 man clan makes it to PO, they lose, then they join another clan that's already in PO and the clan lets them play = now they get to play PO's twice.. I can think of multiple scenarios that are equally ugly if this rule/behaviour is allowed.
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so maybe Mablak + Avi + Statik join ŚkZ for PO with AeF to pwn us in final ? xD
I like this idea, I think we'll use this strategy if daina will play POs xD
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Sure Statik, the joke would be on you :D
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I don't think any serious league would allow switching like this to happen, but then again, we're a small community. Theoretically this could be abused, couldn't it? Two clans could cooperate and do this every playoff, agreeing to switch players over to the other clan for each match (unless they play each other), so both clans always end up playing with the best set of players between 'em. Not that I think anyone is going to do this, but it's probably better to have some kind of rule.
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lolo avi thought we had a private theoretical discussion now you drag my words here xD.
just kinda going by what your member said... but ok....
We were discussing the same thing today avi, I totally agree with you, I personally think it would be lame, and I even said if daina did play in the PO I myself would pull out.
i kinda wanna come to a decision on this.... is there going to be a rule about situations like this?? there certainly needs to be...
and if we do come to a rule regarding this, will this season be overlooked? "grand fathered" in, to doing whatever the f@#! we want??
i wanna know b4 skz and aef do their playoffs, because seems like chelsea wants a couple extra members for his playoffs, and im willing to help, if there is no rules... seems like statik is on board too lol
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so maybe Mablak + Avi + Statik join ŚkZ for PO with AeF to pwn us in final ? xD
I like this idea, I think we'll use this strategy if daina will play POs xD
where is fp? xD
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i wanna know b4 skz and aef do their playoffs, because seems like chelsea wants a couple extra members for his playoffs, and im willing to help, if there is no rules... seems like statik is on board too lol
Why the hard feelings? :-[
You make it seem like daina is just with us to get revenge in the playoffs :o That's far from the case and you know it. If she were a low profile player nobody would make a big deal out of it.
For me personally what matters more is whether someone who hasn't played during the season for our clan is to be selected for p/o. The majority here seems to approve of that, and so do I to be honest.
That she finished the season for another clan doesn't really matter, that she played p/o for them as well, doesn't really bug me.
I can see how this kind of stuff can be exploited though, but you know just as I do that Daina is a keeper for us and not in any way interested in deceiving the leagues.
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when i was in ckc we had a similar situation, i forget who it was(maybe they r seeing this?) but we didnt let them participate, just my quick input
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HHC, you have been playing a very long time...
your always the guy who is rational, and everyone usually respects your opinion...
but i guess when it benefits you, you throw all rationality out the window?? do you really believe its ok for dainub to participate in multiple playoffs for multiple clans?
HHC, if you strongly feel thats ok, i think dainub should play in these playoffs.. i will support whatever you decide, because i too respect your opinion
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Just to clarify this thread was made just incase to avoid unnecessary drama if/when our final games were supposed to start and handle it beforehand.
I hope that staff will come with a ruling to this which also works for future cases.
In my eyes this is not OK in any way, mostly because it enables some ridicilous gameplay IF wanted to (dt could support CAT etc examples)
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HHC, if you strongly feel thats ok, i think dainub should play in these playoffs.. i will support whatever you decide, because i too respect your opinion
Well.. yes.. I think so.
I wouldnt mind really if daina played a few matches. Not all of them of course, but that's cause she didnt play any games in regular season, not really because she already did a p/o game.
Anyway, it's not really up to me. Still waiting for daina's thoughts and theres a few members in AeF that don't share my view (Komo a.o.). So I dunno, it's not too likely she'll play for us.
Still waiting for daina to say if she's interested, depending on that we can discuss things further in AeF.
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There is a better solution: daina can join dt for a while and we promise to don't let her play POs xD