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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2016, 07:31 AM »
I read you non ropers, this ain't about points, this is about enjoyment or lack of thereof. Right?

So if you can't rope and despise doing so, when your opponent picks it, give him a free win and play your pick. End of the story.

We don't adulterate standings so everyone can enjoy the league in their own magical personal way, that's not how you do things. If people need a specific set of personal rules to have fun in an all around league they need to either adapt or find something else but not expect the rules to mold around their ineptitude.
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Offline Sbaffo

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2016, 07:43 AM »
It's better if we split up honestly because this gives more Players/clans, therefore you get more activity, this is better than having a clan where people get their line up ready (such as dt).

I wanted go back in 420 with dibz but fub was my priority. Would have liked to have senator and vok in 420 with me and dibz but they didn't want to... btw i'm curious to see now that lalo and daina are inactive if cfc are going to play any game without them.

I read you non ropers, this ain't about points, this is about enjoyment or lack of thereof. Right?

So if you can't rope and despise doing so, when your opponent picks it, give him a free win and play your pick. End of the story.

We don't adulterate standings so everyone can enjoy the league in their own magical personal way, that's not how you do things. If people need a specific set of personal rules to have fun in an all around league they need to either adapt or find something else but not expect the rules to mold around their ineptitude.


Yes, exactly, give away free wins. It's simple.

Get some balls, loose some matches and get better. Even after 8 years of sucking.

And trust me, when a clan feels its loosing because some schemes are hard, they will try to get new players or force some inactive friends to come back. We did it, why can't you? (and we even use whatsapp)


I agree on this. The more you lose, the more you learn something. It isn't a surprise that newcomers like me, senator, vok etc. have gotten better after years of losing games. Even i got better at elite after years of losing games (not a pro but i still can play it better than how i used to do).

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2016, 08:22 AM »
I may not know much about history of first ranked games to ever be performed in WA.exe but... did the producers of WA indeed make these particular scheme official or classic ?

The first thing I thought when I came to TUS was " Why there aren't 3 leagues, Rope: BigRR, TTRR, WxW, Roper, Classic: Shopper, Elite, Bng, Hysteria, T17, Free: Golf, Mine Madness, Plop War, Battle race, etc ...

I mean.... I didn't see anything wrong in somebody being the best in 2 leagues or 3 leagues at the same time. So again... did developers made it a rule somehow in the origins of the game? or was it just players?

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2016, 08:32 AM »
It's better if we split up honestly because this gives more Players/clans, therefore you get more activity, this is better than having a clan where people get their line up ready (such as dt).

Not entirely, 8 clans with 2 members each could play less games than 4 clans with 4 members each, timezones, schemes they enjoy etc, chance of being on at same time even if they share the same timezone...

I wanted go back in 420 with dibz but fub was my priority. Would have liked to have senator and vok in 420 with me and dibz but they didn't want to... btw i'm curious to see now that lalo and daina are inactive if cfc are going to play any game without them.

Sure, but how long will FUB last? Do you really need to keep reviving clans that didn't last before? Why not all the members in FUB and join CKC or TdC or something?

We(cfc) have been discussing in private about what we want to achieve in the new era of TUS, I guess now is as good a time as any to appeal to everyone else here.

cfc are planning to recruit 3-4 noobs who are keen to learn the game competitively, trying to teach them to be all-rounders, we won't focus on winning as much as before, but we will still aim to reach PO and win those.

We are going to try our best to encourage everyone to play all schemes, we would love if other clans could do something similar by recruiting a few noobs and training them teaching them about competitive WA on TuS.

In the long run it would keep this game alive, if we want to improve this game we need to start working together as a collective.

Yes, exactly, give away free wins. It's simple.


So, you say it's "pussy" to avoid certain schemes? Even though scheme specialists are not afraid to play anyone at their favourite scheme.

On the other hand however, you would rather get free points to climb the ladder? That seems more pussy tbh.

I agree on this. The more you lose, the more you learn something. It isn't a surprise that newcomers like me, senator, vok etc. have gotten better after years of losing games. Even i got better at elite after years of losing games (not a pro but i still can play it better than how i used to do).

Sure, but you at least enjoy those other schemes, to you TTRR is the best thing since sliced bread, but to some people it makes them snore...

I used to be a scheme specialist, but now consider myself as more of an all-rounder and now is the time for me to focus on all-round for a while instead on 1 scheme at a time, when I find a new house i'll definitely contribute to Singles activity :)
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 08:33 AM by Komito »

Offline Senator

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2016, 08:40 AM »
A free win gives a message like "don't pick this scheme again". You don't want to report a free win more than once and it makes u pick something else. No good. I admit that VoK and I have just clowned around in RR in some occasions, which is like giving a free win. You should play the pick and try your best even if u hate the scheme. You can always do the same to your opponent and pick the scheme that he hates the most. It's up to players whether they want 2 games where either player has no fun or 2 games where both players have fun.

I don't understand picking the opponent's weakest scheme when that means hardly any points and an unbalanced game, though (when u don't need to improve your winning ratio). People just want a worthless win on their record or what? Now Komo says that he enjoys BnG even if his opponent sucks but at least for me there's no fun if there's no real opponent. I don't usually pick my opponent's weakest scheme but a scheme where I'm a slight favorite. I get an exciting game and good points.

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2016, 09:04 AM »
I wanted go back in 420 with dibz but fub was my priority. Would have liked to have senator and vok in 420 with me and dibz but they didn't want to... btw i'm curious to see now that lalo and daina are inactive if cfc are going to play any game without them.

Sure, but how long will FUB last? Do you really need to keep reviving clans that didn't last before? Why not all the members in FUB and join CKC or TdC or something?

This is a serious thing. ANO, Orange and Alenic (and soon Angus) came back playing competitive games again. How much will it last? I dunno. But i definitely won't leave fub. I've planned to stay here forever and to invite people as soon as my clan mates become inactive.

Yes, exactly, give away free wins. It's simple.


So, you say it's "pussy" to avoid certain schemes? Even though scheme specialists are not afraid to play anyone at their favourite scheme.

On the other hand however, you would rather get free points to climb the ladder? That seems more pussy tbh.

Yes, it's pussy. Let's make an example: i'm playing tus against someone who picks only team17 and is good at it. I play it (which is by far my worst opponent scheme) and lose it. Fine, i lost a game. Now it's time for my pick. I pick rr, do i have to be considered a noob for doing this (although i've rarely done this)? Is my opponent allowed to avoid it? Once again, this is a league, not a league for specialists, you're allowed to pick the same scheme but you have to play other people's pick. It's a matter of respect.

I agree on this. The more you lose, the more you learn something. It isn't a surprise that newcomers like me, senator, vok etc. have gotten better after years of losing games. Even i got better at elite after years of losing games (not a pro but i still can play it better than how i used to do).

Sure, but you at least enjoy those other schemes, to you TTRR is the best thing since sliced bread, but to some people it makes them snore...

Komo, do you remember i used to play ONLY hysteria years ago? I hated anything else, even ttrr, i didn't enjoy play any other scheme, but i never avoided anyone's pick, because i was aware that this is an allround league and if you can't deal with it you don't have to play it.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 09:06 AM by Sbaffo »

Offline TheKaren

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2016, 09:29 AM »
A free win gives a message like "don't pick this scheme again".

Does it? Says who? Pretty sure other people will feel differently.

You should play the pick and try your best even if u hate the scheme. You can always do the same to your opponent and pick the scheme that he hates the most.


That's ridiculous...

"try your best even if u hate the scheme." - It's impossible to try your best at something you hate, only when you really enjoy something you will unlock your potential.

This is also a pointless way to live life doing things you hate which you can easily avoid, we obviously disagree here.

"pick the scheme he hates the most." - Why would you want to encourage negativity?

I don't understand picking the opponent's weakest scheme when that means hardly any points and an unbalanced game, though (when u don't need to improve your winning ratio). People just want a worthless win on their record or what?

We are talking about someone playing only schemes they like, not choosing the schemes they have the best chance of winning.

Now Komo says that he enjoys BnG even if his opponent sucks but at least for me there's no fun if there's no real opponent. I don't usually pick my opponent's weakest scheme but a scheme where I'm a slight favorite. I get an exciting game and good points.

Again, we are talking about doing what you like, not what you succeed at most, yes I enjoy BnG even if my opponent sucks so long as they are happy enough to play, I would never force someone to play BnG if they hated it too much, there are always other people who will play.

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2016, 09:32 AM »
That's ridiculous...

"try your best even if u hate the scheme." - It's impossible to try your best at something you hate, only when you really enjoy something you will unlock your potential.

This is also a pointless way to live life doing things you hate which you can easily avoid, we obviously disagree here.

"pick the scheme he hates the most." - Why would you want to encourage negativity?

that questions the whole idea of picks (it's not like I am for or against). Wouldn't be 'eliminating' schemes, one by one, out of 8 simply the best ? It really makes sense to me.

In potential 2 games, once the first player starts from eliminating schemes, giving himself more influence, and for the second time the other player starts from eliminating schemes, giving more influence to him. It's common sense to me.

let's say that since there are

t17
bng
hysteria
shopper
elite
wxw
ttrr
roper

somebody liking rope starts first (having possibility of eliminating 4 schemes, compared to the other person - 3) he eliminates bng, etc... then somebody who utterly can't stand rope, can eliminate wxw, ttrr, roper, leaving with the roper fan with the final choice which may be Shopper I believe (and it's fine, you don't have to be particularly pro at this)

as people find more people keen on roping they can end up with wxw since they both are into that kind of a game. Come on, so many people choose it so it surely can end up as the pick from both players, same with ttrr, roper. To me it is highly entertaining to watch and surely can be chosen by both.

Lets say now that utterly ground person starts first, and that rope fan can eliminate what makes him boring to play giving him a choice of 3 eliminations

It works in 3 ways:
- people stop endlessly avoiding particular scheme without consequences
- people stop playing only one scheme
- people enjoy what they play

SIMPLICITY
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 10:08 AM by Zalo »

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2016, 09:57 AM »
I agree with pretty much everything you said Peja but not this:

your next step will be to telling me: only to sign up for a clanner once i have the allround lineup. did you ever wonder why your clan is winning this league since years? its because you are the only clan to have the luxury being able to that,

Perhaps the previous few Seasons have been especially bad for activity, but cfc isn't the only clan with a kinda all-round lineup, there have been various clans in the past 1-2 years with 3-4 players who together(like us) make up for every scheme.

cfc are just stronger because we have one of the best all-rounders of all time, 2 scheme specialists, and the other players are very good at different schemes too, more importantly many of us have stuck with cfc for many years, unlike others who jump from clan to clan every few months, just like CF we have learned to play together and hone our tactics over many years, especially daina/lalo who are the best 2 player team i've ever saw.

Maybe if some of the current players could get along better and had more loyalty they could be the next CF/dt/cfc in their prime, if a few join a clan which has already stood the test of time and settle in

Sbaffo, dibz, Lukz, Almog, Senator, VoK, walrus and some more, are very strong players, but they are split up into different clans, imagine them in the same clan??

Almog doesn't play Clanners though, but if he did and paired up with the guys above, damn...

Some mergers could be nice.

its a matter of talent, let me show you the last finals:

season 41: rr and wxw vs hhc
season 42: free and dibz vs ryan and daina rr, avirex sbaffo vs daina lalo defaults
season 43: chelsea is playing wxw for dt
season 44: cfc playing with b squad yet style is overmatched in ropes
season45: csongi kins are no match in defaults, espcecially not in bng
season 46: somewhat close on paper against dt, still 3:0, having the free win in bng means a lot if the other pairings are close, prolly the closest final in terms of talent.
season 47: no pos
season 48: l3x being overmatched despite winning the eS luck combo of hysteria/t17
season 49: no playoffs

just like the cavs wont beat the warriors, none will win cfc, unless you guys start to underperform a lot or playing b lineups.  you can still kill the remaining active clans to form a formidable opponet, it just shows this league is dead and prolly wont recover in the near future.

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2016, 10:29 AM »
Lol, the bit with Chelsea made me laugh :D

its a matter of talent

It's more about years of practise and effort than talent, for example HHC has been playing longer than daina/lalo, but daina/lalo trained harder to win games, HHC is a good all-rounder but is more about fun, when you don't take the game as seriously you will never improve enough, it's all fair and square though because other clans do actually have players who cover all schemes, it's up to them to practise and enjoy :)

Obviously cfc are not unbeatable, there are clans there with the potential to be better than us as a whole, someone/something better always comes along eventually, besides we still lose games in all schemes often enough :D

Edit - Also, Chelsea may suck at Rope, but he's VERY good at Hysteria/Shopper/Team17, enough to be helpful, if dt played the right guys for right matches
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 10:30 AM by Komito »

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2016, 10:45 AM »


That's ridiculous...

"try your best even if u hate the scheme." - It's impossible to try your best at something you hate, only when you really enjoy something you will unlock your potential.

This is also a pointless way to live life doing things you hate which you can easily avoid, we obviously disagree here.


Lol man, i often agree with u, but sometimes u talk like a total kiddo... if u dont enjoy playing schemes that u are obligated to play when u agree on playing tus classic then....


DONT PLAY TUS CLASSIC AND GTFO PLAYING FUNNERS FFS... IS IT REALLY SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

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Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2016, 10:47 AM »
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season 41: rr and wxw vs hhc

No excuse, HHC should be able to play all schemes by now if he cared enough to win playoffs. He doesn't give a f@#! so you're asking cfc to give him members so they can be competitive while not giving a f@#!. That's why communism only works in Canada, everywhere else you have people feeling entitled yet not feeling entitled enough to try for themselves.

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season 42: free and dibz vs ryan and daina rr, avirex sbaffo vs daina lalo defaults

fair match.

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season 43: chelsea is playing wxw for dt

Isn't Chelsea a top TUS singles player? If he can't rope then he's been allowed to abuse the system for ages then


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season 44: cfc playing with b squad yet style is overmatched in ropes

Who is cfc B roping squad?

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season45: csongi kins are no match in defaults, espcecially not in bng

Again, top TUS singles players. Mediocre system gives mediocre players.

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season 46: somewhat close on paper against dt, still 3:0, having the free win in bng means a lot if the other pairings are close, prolly the closest final in terms of talent.

free win in bng? Because Komo plays? That's ridiculous and he'll say so himself.

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season 48: l3x being overmatched despite winning the eS luck combo of hysteria/t17

oh shit l3x got overmatched by cfc, worms gonna worm.

It's not cfc's fault there's a lack of competition, its the competition's fault. Do you imagine Peja how good you'd be if you played instead of posting? Do you imagine how that weirdo who played Moles for an arbitrary virtual rank instead practiced in becoming a good clanner player?

There's no will to become good. The only will in this league is being accepted/having somewhere to lay dead.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 11:12 AM by Aerox »
MonkeyIsland, my friend, I know your english is terrible and your understanding of society limited. However, in real life, people attack and humiliate others without the use of a single bad word. They even go to war with lengthy politeness. You can't base the whole moderation philosophy of a community based on the use of bad words and your struggle with sarcasm and irony. My attack to Jonno was fully justified and of proper good taste.
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Offline TheKaren

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2016, 10:58 AM »
if u dont enjoy playing schemes that u are obligated to play when u agree on playing tus classic then....

You aren't obligated to play them though, as previously posted in this thread you can ask for specific scheme in lobby while searching TUS, but you can't ask for TUS ne1 then refuse scheme, you must make your intentions clear before starting.

Let me also point out, I support playing all schemes these days, it just took me a while to get the addiction of making specific schemes a priority out my system a bit :D Still think it's ok to pick your favourite schemes the most though :)

Offline Peja

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2016, 11:17 AM »
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Do you imagine Peja how good you'd be if you played instead of posting?

i am prolly top 5 in league games played in the history of this league, my ceiling is just f@#!ing low  ;D
the current cfc core will dominate this league until they stop playing or tus stops to exist. feel free to mock me anytime if am wrong.

Offline HHC

Re: Please explain this to me
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2016, 11:22 AM »
Maybe the question is not why I suck so much, but why the guys in cfc are so good?

Takes about 2 years of training to reach that level, but also the dedication to keep trying for many years, and the focus to become the very best. It's a quality that not many people possess.