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Worms: Armageddon => Promotion Project => Topic started by: Free on January 22, 2013, 09:00 AM
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Someone suggested this idea on other thread and this is exactly the kind of "personal" side I want to bring to the table.
We take a handful of noobs who are motivated and willing to invest time into learning the game and then we follow their journey via streams, how he learns, league performance and even personal youtube videos. If MI agrees to the newbie league without us having to make an outside league, it would be even more perfect.
This sound like a good idea to you guys? I really like this idea and would be motivated to help those newbies out as much as I can. Teacher can learn a lot himself also by teaching a newbie.
Once we agree on the idea and the approach, we should spam the internets with the upcoming awesome promotion video and stream channel and get a line of newbies under our wings. Everyone could have their own apprentices and all the good stuff.
Is there anyone here already who feels he's a newbie and willing to go pro and agree that we could track and record his/her journey to the top. It makes an example to the bigger audience that everyone can do it, even if there are people who have been playing this game for years and years. Once you learn the weapon skills and roping, it's all about tactics, creativity and your mental strenght.
You can either send a PM to me if you feel shy about it or got some personal questions, otherwise just let yourself be heard on this thread.
There will be bigger spam once we get the vision together but we can already get started on it now. Give a shoutout if you want to go PRO and want guidance.
I did this with my little brother Neptune and he learned amazingly fast.
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Edited thread title, teached is wrong on so many levels. :D
Idea is good btw, I just don't know if there's enough people interested in getting taught by someone else. I enjoyed getting better by my own power. :)
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1. Never call it noob league or something like that!! To sign on it you have to realize that you are a damn noob that sucking compare to others, horrible politic
Something like Amateur League, or League B is exactly what should work imo
2. Newbie cant learn much by playing with another newbie, so they need teacher -> this means we need to make ppl interest in teaching others -> means we can make newbies and skillful people able to select "Trainer" and so, trainers will have own stats, and as much succesfully his pupil play as much pts he gain xD
I really would like to grab some newbie and teach him playing meanwhile watching his progress like I did with asbest some years ago
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I'm not getting the main idea behind this. Why they need a separate league? They can participate in the main league but play with each other. Why a whole new league for them? Also have you considered its activity?
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Haha yeah we would never call it a newbie league, beginner league or summing like that.
The main idea:
I put myself in beginners shoes, get motivated to go pro but realize its gonna take years and years to even reach to the playoffs, it really wouldn't motivate me to compete seriously because of the level of competition is too high.
If the level of competition is even, it would motivate me to play and learn more and make it easier for me to gain glory. If I'm a newbie looking for tus and Random is looking for TUS, most likely I wouldn't want to give him free points (unless I pick hysteria)
I've no idea about the activity and the beginner league isn't a thing of the today (imo) because we need a lot more audience and interest from newer players to consider starting the league. We can't know about the activity unless we try it out.
If your not okay with it, we can try it as separate league, with more simplistic points system.
My main picture is the eSport scene and in order to reach there we need to reach more and more newer players each day and make it easier for them to start competing so one day they could see themselves with the "big boys"
About teaching the new players, I, for one am very interested of teaching newer players who seem motivated and ready to put in the time and I'm sure there's plenty of others like this also. You could even give a shout-out if you'd be ready to take someone as your apprentice.
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Creating a new league is a matter of minutes for me. How does this thing work? What if Random00 plays a game and want to report it in the amateur league? system prevents him because of his stats? How do I draw the line for newbies and others? (also it is very hard to beat Random00 in Hysteria)
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dunno i was actually motivated because i played guys like random and found out they dont look down you even they are so much better. i remember uber/zippo/ crash explained my simple basics when playing them. ray always motivated me because he told me when he recognized some progress in my play. i guess its important not to seperate them from the better players, because u really learn from the diversity of players around.a private teacher is really great and helpful but nothing can replace the field experience vs different well skilled opponents. if you watch the played games u will find out beginners always find other beginners to play, no need for a seperate league imo.
but great effort free keep it up.
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I see ur point Peja, but ur one of the exceptions to the rule. Motivated by nature. But in reality most ain't.
I haven't got a idea (yet) how we would know who's beginner and who's not so that creates a problem. Someone could just make a new account and win all and take the fun away from real beginners who want to a even field of competition.
Let's keep discussing though, maybe we can come up with something.
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I can teach you how to notch, mod your keyboard, practice fingerroll, 2hand taps, twitching and differences in arrowkey behavior.
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Newbie league is a great idea, but if we grouped them all into one league, how would chelsea find opponents for singles (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/images/smilies/hmmm.gif)
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I can teach you how to notch, mod your keyboard, practice fingerroll, 2hand taps, twitching and differences in arrowkey behavior.
Taking applications now!*
*25 Euro each session, no success guaranteed
Lol, and i'll be taking a 5 Euro fee for my copyrighted 2hand taps :P
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the idea of a minor league was mine, originally. and free already explained very well what we both think about this.
i think that we should get prepared for a ranked system, having 2 separate leagues. we could set a specific target, for example if someone ends a season with xxx overall points, the next season will climb up to the main league. or just every player that reaches playoffs can choose if playing again the minor league or if going up to the major.
dunno, these are just some raw ideas, help me developing something intelligent :D
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anyway this is a long term project. it would be stupid to have a minor league now. we have to reach a good number of new incomers first of all.
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Well let me know when it is OK to have one then.
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Newbie league is a great idea, but if we grouped them all into one league, how would chelsea find opponents for singles (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/images/smilies/hmmm.gif)
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Newbie league is a great idea, but if we grouped them all into one league, how would chelsea find opponents for singles (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/images/smilies/hmmm.gif)
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Chelsea would sign up in the new league for sure. Fame is fame, simple ;).
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I like your idea Free, I have always been motivated about teaching (I teach drummers, teach math and programming, worms would be another great thing) and this idea makes sense in my head, I also had similar ideas, just never really invested any time into it.
If you want to talk about it, share some thoughts, catch me in a PM!
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I was writing a longer answer to this thread, but it got deleted and maybe it was for the better. I must say in all honesty that I think this is an utterly ridiculous idea. I think that you Free, should use your enthusiasm and creativity on something outside of this game.
Firstly, I don't understand your use of the word Pro. What is and who are the "Pro" players of WA? Are you a pro? It's a wording I don't think belong to this game or community. Secondly, why would anyone invest their time in watching how newbies learn how to play this game at all? It's beyond my imagination, and I can't believe someone would use their sparetime to watch how newbies learn the way to play an odd game through streams, games, youtube channels and what not. I think you're living in a bubble Free, and you have to get out of it.
You're talking about this big audience, awesome promotion videos, streaming channels and what not, but I'll say it straight out because you need to hear it: nobody would give a big f@#! about it. I can give you credit for your good intentions and belief, but you really have to get your head out of your arsehole Free. This is a horrible idea.
Why do we play computer games? Besides having a bit of fun, it's about exploring the game, expanding your knowledge of the game, and creating relationship with people from all over the world. This is something that you have to do on your own. You shouldn't be taught by others on how to do it, it just doesn't make any sence to me. It's the whole fun of playing the game.
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Hahah, that was harsh xD
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Newbie league is a great idea, but if we grouped them all into one league, how would chelsea find opponents for singles (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/images/smilies/hmmm.gif)
xDDDDDDDDDD lfmao... I am Newbie now, who wants to teach me?
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you all need psychologists.
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Crazy, I totally agree with you. Before your post, I was going to reply with only "lol" to not be too offensive but I thought it would be too offensive anyways. Free is doing his best and I totally respect that but I don't see any point in doing it.
The whole idea would be nice but there is something missing first: people who would like to be "pro".
The only way to make this game attractive is to bring money or to do a major update (but let's face it, we all be 40 when WA 4.0 will be release (and even wa 4.0 might not attract so many new persons, nothing against dc and cybershadow but it's soo much work and i can't possibly imagine them having the time and for free..).
And bringing money ? We don't speak about $10 or $20 but big numbers here and well so many people tried it never happened for good. Make a league where you have to pay ? Only 15 people will play it.
Best way to promote this game is being polite, helping noob, not booting them without an explanation and pointing them to TuS and other woms websites.
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when i frst started playing w2... i had pros help me, teach me to shadow, spike, etc...
i can only imagine others had the same experience when starting out??
it seems now people are not interested much in helping noobs, not even leading them in the right direction, like TUS for example... nevermind teaching them...
if free and ray find the time to help a newb out, then thats great.. i myself ALWAYS give newbs a direct link to tus, and explain to them its a league game.. i try not to boot them without that...
crazy, i dont think the "pros teaching the newbs" would be a 6 months course until the newb is competing with the best, lol.. would just be a half hour warmer, teaching him moves, and taps, etc...
not rly sure why u were so harsh, theres nothing wrong with what free is doing... i think its great.
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I hate to say this, but I agree with avirex. :D :-*
Crazy, I think Free might have gone a little too far with the idea (streaming, separate league and whatnot) but these were just random ideas. The main point is what avirex said: when he started out, there were people teaching him the moves, same with me! There were guys who introduced me to schemes, to roping moves, tricks, and without them, I probably never would have learned all this and never would have become the ultimate best worms player ever in the history. Or somewhere close to that. ;D
Okay, obviously that's a joke. Anyway! What I see is that nowadays, there are a lot less people who are learning the ways to play like we did, and that's not because they are not willing, in my opinion, it is because the gap between new players and older players became a lot bigger and because neither are there "teachers" nor is there a really good, introductory, explanatory resource on the web to learn from.
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Well yeah, avi and Ray do have point, I am pretty sure it was eliteboyz(TheSheriFF) who taught me my 1st moves, and even he was just a kid back then, how the hell is a kid more polite than adults of today lol...
But it isn't just WA's fault, it's the general attitude of people playing online, look at comments in YouTube videos, people are growing up recognizing this as the normal thing to do these days, being online was better when "the popular people" of Facebook/reality stuff etc thought anyone who used the internet was a geek...
WA was simpler in 1999 lol, less choice of schemes/maps, with more choice comes more fuss I guess...
But obviously Free went too far with the idea, to be honest, I think this game would lose it's charm if we ended up with a million players anyway...
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Yea, this is all true, that's why we need a gathering like this sort even more! :)
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Ok who's ready to teach me how to rope? :D
I met some French guy ( don't remember the name tbh ) was playing trick race, and he invested good 15 minutes in trying to teach me, there are good guys out there ^^
The initiative to help newbies is good, I myself always show newbies the way around my game ( Medal of Honor ), as I'm an old expert at it, I hate to see anyone struggling with the basics, and I eventually try to help him/her out.
So keep it up :)
Maybe you can change this from a league for newbies to a competition between elites? for example: we get 8 teachers, and 8 students, a random draw and every Master gets a Padawan.
After a month of training, a little league could be made for the newbies, and the winner's master is granted the title: Jedi Master. lol
Ok that was a bit Geeky, lets just give him an honorary title :)
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Indeed, that was really geeky. :D But yea, like that idea too. I think for now, we can arrange some games through IM, or here on the site, on the forums, we could meet in #AG and play some games.
I'll have a talk with Free and see if we come up with anything useful.
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always at disposition for tips about roping, if you catch me in AG.
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I remember helping lots of newcomers back in the time as well (I admit my level isn't really high, I only taught them the bases I knew - some players start going online by barely knowing how to use rope to move through what we'd consider a negligible distance). What I do hate with some of them, though, is them not understanding something as simple as "this is a league game, you can only watch it" when I host TUS games in #AG: they desperately team in over and over; I feel sorry for them when I have to kick them due to that.
Back on topic, I'd really like others to teach me tips and especially strategies, at least in ground schemes.
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I remember helping lots of newcomers back in the time as well (I admit my level isn't really high, I only taught them the bases I knew - some players start going online by barely knowing how to use rope to move through what we'd consider a negligible distance). What I do hate with some of them, though, is not understanding something as simple as "this is a league game, you can only watch it" when I host TUS games in #AG: they desperately team in over and over; I feel sorry for them when I have to kick them due to that.
Back on topic, I'd really like others to teach me tips and especially strategies, at least in ground schemes.
My tip is: play.
And please stop using fancy grammar, it looks really weird with all those mistakes.
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I could play 24/7, I'd not learn much without actual tips (especially when it comes to roping).
And nice hypocrisy with the grammar comment, there's much worse around. I wonder why you still aren't on my TUS ignore list like the other lousy trolls, I should fix that immediately. Even my Maths teacher is funnier than that when trolling.
Edit: Now, can an actual person offer his/her help, please?
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Best advice I can give you ltk is play lot of league game and try to focus on each of them. Watch again your replay at the end of it to see what could have been done better.
If elite scheme look for example if you could have ss before/rope.. If T17 look if you could have used girder to block or played more aggressively/ collected more create...
There are also some nice tutorial around.
Plus watch a lot of replay from very pro such as random or mablak and try to find out what made the difference in their game (could be a tele pile/an early ss). I believe that you've enough basic knowledge to see it.
Finally, there are scheme around that really help to improve for ground scheme. I can tell you two that would help you have an advantage on your opponent if you practice hard on them: ssr and br.
Hope it helps.
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guys, you look really nerd in judging your own english
My tip is to have 2 screens. The left one is for porn videos.
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Thanks a lot for the tips fada. :) (I'd be even more motivated if some people could guide me from time to time though.)
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i had a similiar idea years ago, but making newbie clans. everybody that was interested could make a clan with only newbies in it and train them to get better and let them clanner vs other newb clans. would have needed an own league, tho. i was totally into it and had my clan TbC (twistahs beginner clan) with a few people in it. was very fun, tbh. the idea didn't get much of recognition and i think there was only 1 more newbie clan from i think toxidus? not sure, was a few years ago. my idea has defenitely potential and makes really fun, but people don't seem to dare spending there time on it, dunno..
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guess cuz only few ppl are honest enough to state they're nabs. (prolly said before lotta times here, idk.)
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I'm a newbie, despite being a wormer since 2012. I'd like to get trained to be better.
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I'm a newbie, despite being a wormer since 2012. I'd like to get trained to be better.
Sent you a PM. :)
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I think that pro "teaching" would fill someone's ego more then it would help newbies learn anything.
6 months ago I played only shopper. Then discovered boom, aerial, big rr, ttrr, battle, darts..
And improving each day just by playing. So, who wants to learn - it can be learnt pretty fast.
Play some big rr against sid, some boom vs husk, battle race vs wally and kory... and you'll get why ppl call them pro's.
Tutoring school is nerd and totally not necessary ;)
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Nice story but rly you learn faster with teacher, take any skill.
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Well, whole beauty in playing worms is to find out shit by yourself.
And not be a pupil that goes right,left and up when teacher say him to do so..
But everyone is entitled with their opinion so.. Do your thing guys :)
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I've been playing for over a decade and suck ! but it's fun so who cares =D
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Too bad that no pro taught me how to properly TTRR. ;D
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First rule for incomers: avoid chelsea, godmax, taner, ytrojan, asbest, tobi, ...
Second rule: never and never enter start playing elite. They will noobash u instead of help
And third rule: #Help channel can help for how to play various scheme. (Avoid StepS and Elite scheme help)
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...If MI agrees to the newbie league without us having to make an outside league
Wouldn't be a sort of "div2"? a very 'f' old and proven concept for leagues? (which btw I agree to apply, specially when the difference of experience (not skills) between some players are like 15 years or more)
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I have rope speed tricks as my weakness. Other than that, I don't need NEW-PRO lessons.