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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: skunk3 on May 14, 2019, 07:35 PM

Title: 3.8
Post by: skunk3 on May 14, 2019, 07:35 PM
So what is the most recent news regarding the new patch? There has been news of 3.8 being released "very soon" for ages now. Can anyone explain what the hold-up is?

I briefly spoke to CS about 2 weeks ago and he said that it should be coming very soon and that he was going to be transferring servers or something.

All I know is that we have been waiting on this update for a ridiculously long time. I made a post similar to this maybe 6 months ago (?) and still nothing has happened. Is it vaporware? Is it ever going to actually happen? Is there some sort of financial hurdle? Is the problem on Team17's end? I just want some clear answers and a clear ETA.

What, precisely, is the problem here?
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 14, 2019, 08:32 PM
This was announced earlier today:
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 15, 2019, 02:30 AM
Don't worry about it skunk, as long as Epic doesn't buy Worms like they did Rocket League... Just as I was getting into that game again  :D
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 15, 2019, 02:59 AM
Don't worry about it skunk, as long as Epic doesn't buy Worms like they did Rocket League... Just as I was getting into that game again  :D

Eeh. Know I shouldn't ask, but lemme know how game being bought by Epic affected you going back to it, in any way!?

As you'd say: elaborate pls.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 15, 2019, 04:23 AM
I was playing Rocket League for the past month, joined a gaming organization, being taught by a GC, then heard the news Epic bought Rocket League, immediately uninstalled Rocket League, left the organization, told the GC thanks for the help and kindly told them why.

I don't like Epic, remember my thread about Bethesda? Epic are 100x worse imo, sad thing is, I used to love Epic Games back when they were making stuff like Unreal Tournament, loved that game! But these days they are pretty much everything I hate about the gaming industry, from the content they produce, to the way they conduct their business overall.

I have to finish watching RLCS because i'm supporting Vitality but when it's finished probably won't have anything to do with it... I have some great rewards I was gonna sell as well but f**king Epic now selling shit on RL so I can't even do that now...
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 15, 2019, 09:01 AM
You can sell rewards via steam, like you could do all this time. Game has not even changed platform yet.
As I've heard, even when it changes, ppl on Steam that already bought it will have option to choose playing only vs other steam players and not have anything to do with epic in future. (like now where you can play only vs pc and not console)
Everything will stay the same, if not better (more players, better servers, higher competitivity level and more money spent in e-sports)

I'm not really happy to hear changes cause Epic could found a way to mess with trading and that's only thing that interests me about RL.. Although, you're being dramatic again and no one, except you, knows why.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: WTF-8 on May 15, 2019, 10:51 AM
This was announced earlier today:
if this means HB and WormNAT finally became usable, I hope it'd also be announced somewhere where more people can see it

now only if it was possible to notify everyone who left because of the lag
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Korydex on May 15, 2019, 10:55 AM
This was announced earlier today:
if this means HB and WormNAT finally became usable, I hope it'd also be announced somewhere where more people can see it

now only if it was possible to notify everyone who left because of the lag
I don't think lags were so severe for many people to leave
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
Lmao Sensei, you ask me to elaborate, then call me dramatic... You're insane dude.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: skunk3 on May 16, 2019, 06:44 PM
So do we have any sort of a solid ETA regarding 3.8?

From what I've heard, 3.8 has been more or less 'finished' for a very long time now. Personally, I'd be fine if 3.8 never came out but I just want to know what the deal is, definitively. I hope that people don't assume that I am 'entitled' by what I am saying, because that isn't the case. I'm a patient dude but the wait for 3.8 has been absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Kradie on May 16, 2019, 07:53 PM
My little birds have said that Deadcode has lost motivation and interest to further the development of 3.8 for many months. I dunno for how long though. It is likely we will not see anything soon. 3.8 seems like vaporware like 4.0 now.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: lacoste on May 16, 2019, 07:58 PM
If you spoke to one of the devs and you got your answer, precise or not, what else are you trying to achieve? I mean you have already reached to the most reliable source.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 17, 2019, 03:55 PM
I was just thinking... Epic has such a huge impact on me, anything they touch I can quit, like, I get urges to play Rocket League but resist...

I wish Epic would buy all tobacco companies...
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2019, 05:11 PM
You're irrational.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 18, 2019, 06:30 AM
You're irrational.

Not really, there is a ridiculous amount of evidence of shady stuff Epic does out there, reddit alone would keep you busy for months...

I guess it depends if you value morals or not.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 18, 2019, 06:59 AM
I don't care about Epic or any other company for that matter.

You're dramatically quitting great game you're enjoying to play, before even hearing anything about platform transfer. As said in post before, last news I've heard was that ppl that bought game on steam will have option to decline any connection to Epic or their players. So, basically, nothing will be changed at all.

Psyonix made millions by selling dlcs, ingame keys/crates.. But server issues were always last thing on their schedule to worry about. You didn't have problem with that.

Epic will make millions doing same thing, but will surely focus more on listening to community and fix every malfunction game has, while promoting its competitive scene far more than Psyonix ever could/wanted. You seem to have big problem with that.

And that's why, dear Komo, I see you as irrational individual.

Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheMadCharles on May 18, 2019, 11:16 AM
time is uncountable.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: KinslayeR on May 18, 2019, 07:21 PM
I think, today was a good weather
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 18, 2019, 09:41 PM
If you think that is dramatic, then you are easily amused Sensei lol.

As I said, there is a mountain of evidence of the shady stuff Epic games does, I haven't saw evidence of Psyonix doing anything the likes of which Epic has, and if I did, I would feel the same way about them.

I wouldn't associate with an evil person just because they donated to charity.

I'm honestly not bothered if you think I am irrational, by the very definition of the word, I know i'm not.

You honestly seem like a fanboy of Epic, but then again, you were or still are a Fortnite player  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: KinslayeR on May 18, 2019, 10:14 PM
if we talk about epic

Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2019, 12:45 AM
As I said, there is a mountain of evidence of the shady stuff Epic games does

Haha, you said this 2 or 3 times already. Please enlighten us and share couple of reddit "evidences" that makes this company so criminal and bad! I'm all ears.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: j0e on May 19, 2019, 04:35 AM
We last heard about 3.8 from Deadcode in January of this year, which is actually good compared to the usual regularity of news. Those posts were really long (especially the changelog) and probably time-consuming to put together. IMO it would be better to get short Twitter-style updates once every 2-4 weeks or whatever, even if they're cryptic and unexplained. For example: "Still alive" or "Crunched some code today, fixed a bug". Leaving us guessing is bad, since guesses can so easily become credible rumours, which in theory could have negative consequences, depending who hears/interprets/spreads them.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: The Extremist on May 19, 2019, 08:06 AM
IMO it would be better to get short Twitter-style updates once every 2-4 weeks or whatever, even if they're cryptic and unexplained. For example: "Still alive" or "Crunched some code today, fixed a bug". Leaving us guessing is bad, since guesses can so easily become credible rumours, which in theory could have negative consequences, depending who hears/interprets/spreads them.

This is all I ever wanted. I could wait another 5 years for the next update, as long as there was steady communication.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Lancelot on May 19, 2019, 10:09 AM
I think in the future the patch lacks an important component.
I can not say exactly what I mean.
Perhaps one of the developers did not have enough motivation or time to complete their work.
Therefore, the patch has not yet been published. :(
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: skunk3 on May 19, 2019, 10:36 AM
Personally I don't care if 3.8 ever gets released because I think the game is fine the way it is, aside from HostingBuddy/WMDB issues... plus I don't think 3.8 is going to bring back any old schoolers anyway, to be honest. What bugs me is knowing that there is a patch out there that is supposedly complete or near complete and having no idea when or even if it will be released. If not, just let us know. If yes, give us an occasional update as to what is going on and try to provide a best guess regarding ETA. That's all I am asking for. We've heard rumors about 3.8 for a VERY long time now.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: j0e on May 19, 2019, 02:20 PM
Personally I don't care if 3.8 ever gets released because I think the game is fine the way it is, aside from HostingBuddy/WMDB issues...
You should care. Version 3.8 is going to work out of the box a lot better for new players. It has windowmode support (better than ever) built in, so that means nobody has to download D3D9wnd to fix crashes/etc and annoying resolution changes. There's also a new scheme format so nobody will have to download Rubberworm in order to play with extended features. The new scheme format immediately gives everyone way more editing control, and lays the necessary groundwork for possible future updates. Plus whatever else I forgot about since reading that changelog in December. Most importantly it's a sign of life. Right now the latest news update a player sees when signing into Wormnet is from 2012.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 19, 2019, 04:06 PM
As I said, there is a mountain of evidence of the shady stuff Epic games does

Haha, you said this 2 or 3 times already. Please enlighten us and share couple of reddit "evidences" that makes this company so criminal and bad! I'm all ears.

Why? It would take me the better part of a day to put together a proper post with some of this information, and even then you would probably just say "TL;DR" or some other ignorant bunch of rubbish similar to what you usually post when coming face to face with such information.

It's like all the people who know the shady practices of diamond manufacturers, sweatshops etc... Foreign countries taking advantage of shitty laws making people work ridiculous hours for shocking low pay, yet they are happy to ignore this and still use the product...

However I should know better than to post such things on a forum where nobody ever gave a f**k  ???
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2019, 05:20 PM
So, ppl working for low salary is shady bussines. Ok. Thanks for your contribution Komo! You're very smart and shouldn't waste more time on us!
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Anubis on May 19, 2019, 05:23 PM
As I said, there is a mountain of evidence of the shady stuff Epic games does

Haha, you said this 2 or 3 times already. Please enlighten us and share couple of reddit "evidences" that makes this company so criminal and bad! I'm all ears.

Why? It would take me the better part of a day to put together a proper post with some of this information, and even then you would probably just say "TL;DR" or some other ignorant bunch of rubbish similar to what you usually post when coming face to face with such information.

It's like all the people who know the shady practices of diamond manufacturers, sweatshops etc... Foreign countries taking advantage of shitty laws making people work ridiculous hours for shocking low pay, yet they are happy to ignore this and still use the product...

However I should know better than to post such things on a forum where nobody ever gave a f**k  ???

I boycott Epic store, I will wait for Borderlands 3 for Steam on April 2020. :)
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Kradie on May 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
We last heard about 3.8 from Deadcode in January of this year, which is actually good compared to the usual regularity of news. Those posts were really long (especially the changelog) and probably time-consuming to put together. IMO it would be better to get short Twitter-style updates once every 2-4 weeks or whatever, even if they're cryptic and unexplained. For example: "Still alive" or "Crunched some code today, fixed a bug". Leaving us guessing is bad, since guesses can so easily become credible rumours, which in theory could have negative consequences, depending who hears/interprets/spreads them.

I am not signing up for Twitter or any other social media app, just to see an update posted once in or twice a year.

We have already been guessing due to lack of proper communication from the developers. I am sure people lose interest and motivation to further development as time goes on. This can be of numbers of reasons such as life priorities, families and whatnot. But if such ''guessing'' is accurate, a simple forum post would suffice on TuS, instead of transferring over to social media. So if my little birds are correct, then you can kiss your 3.8 update a long good bye, because it is likely not happening any time soon. Then again, perhaps that was the idea to begin with, for us to think that hmm...

We're only a handful of active people that are actually passionate about the game, most newcomers are just casual fans reliving their childhood. Why would developers even bother updating for mere 100 people or so? 
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheKomodo on May 19, 2019, 07:10 PM
So, ppl working for low salary is shady bussines. Ok. Thanks for your contribution Komo! You're very smart and shouldn't waste more time on us!

Not sure if you are just dumb as f**k, or trolling, but obviously that's not what I said.

Your reply here, is a perfect example of why trying to explain something in detail to you is a waste of time.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: CyberShadow on May 20, 2019, 01:06 PM
You know you can just hop into #worms or Discord and ask me what I'm working on any time :)

Currently, I'm working on some WormNET patches, mainly related with the server migration, but also some related things that have queued up. Also I am upstreaming some changes to some software we use internally for development. I don't expect this to take more than a few days.

Deadcode wants to fix some RubberWorm things, maybe he can answer with more detail.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: TheMadCharles on May 20, 2019, 08:13 PM
You know you can just hop into #worms or Discord and ask me what I'm working on any time :)
I'm always skeptical to tag you guys in case you are busy and want to focus
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: The Extremist on May 20, 2019, 11:34 PM
I am not signing up for Twitter or any other social media app, just to see an update posted once in or twice a year.

You don't need to sign up for Twitter to read it, but in any case, there's already a fine outlet for status updates called TUS.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Kradie on May 21, 2019, 01:55 PM
I am not signing up for Twitter or any other social media app, just to see an update posted once in or twice a year.

You don't need to sign up for Twitter to read it, but in any case, there's already a fine outlet for status updates called TUS.
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But if such ''guessing'' is accurate, a simple forum post would suffice on TuS, instead of transferring over to social media

OP of this thread voiced his concern that there were lack of any status updates of 3.8. That's what I gathered so far. Yes, we know about the fine outlet for status called TUS. ::) My guess is answering to all of these inquiries aren't that black and white. Sometime people can get a little excited and impatient, which is understandably too.

You know you can just hop into #worms or Discord and ask me what I'm working on any time :)

Currently, I'm working on some WormNET patches, mainly related with the server migration, but also some related things that have queued up. Also I am upstreaming some changes to some software we use internally for development. I don't expect this to take more than a few days.

Deadcode wants to fix some RubberWorm things, maybe he can answer with more detail.

Well, I am not always on discord group, and you and Deadcode seem very busy so I never bother to say anything. I am guessing there's a lot on your plates already anyway.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: CyberShadow on May 21, 2019, 05:02 PM
I would much rather take a minute to answer some questions now and then than see threads like these go on for many pages... and with talk about how we don't communicate enough with the community, sheesh.

Usually in video game companies, developers are completely forbidden from talking with anyone outside of the company about anything, and all communication needs to be done by assigned and properly trained spokespersons ("community managers"). All information then usually flows in only one direction - out of the company and only on strictly defined schedules, and players have no choice but to sit and wait until the next PR announcement happens on the company's whim. But, this is not the situation that we are in. Our agreements with Team17 do restrict us in what we can do in many ways, but our duty remains primarily to the community. Or, at least, that's how I feel anyway.

Since I'm here, let me share with you what I did yesterday:

- Fixed a bug in HostingBuddy where if you or someone else attempted to team in, or someone else said something, or anything else that caused a packet to be sent in your direction while the map is still loading for you, the entire connection would freeze forcing players to exit and re-enter the game.
  - The bug was introduced in this commit (https://github.com/cybershadow/ae/commit/3f0a77f), which unbroke activation of a feature that had been accidentally deactivated. However, said feature was buggy, which caused the HB problem.
  - Now that said feature works properly, this works better than ever before - while the map is loading, you can team in and get chat lines even before the map finishes loading
- Fixed connecting to MyWormNET2 with certain IRC clients
- Fixed HostingBuddy/etc. not seeing the rank/flag on the staging server (MyWormNET2)
- Improved rank/flag detection on startup, thus fixing another cause of "I don't see your rank/flag" messages from HostingBuddy
- Fixed connecting to MyWormNET2 (and the staging server) via IPv6
- Fixed whitespace getting unnecessarily stripped on MyWormNET2 (and the staging server), thus causing services to mis-detect WA users as using a snooper

as well as more progress on the things I mentioned in the previous post, which I'll continue working on today.
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: sock on May 21, 2019, 05:43 PM
Cool to see you and Deadcode still responding and working for the community!
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: Alby87 on May 21, 2019, 06:48 PM
Wait, you mean that with MyWormnet2 server rankings are back?  ;D
Title: Re: 3.8
Post by: The Extremist on May 24, 2019, 05:39 AM
Y'know, May 31st is the 20th anniversary of WA's North American launch. Would be nice if something official (or semi-official) happened on the day, however small...