Hello....
I would like advice on a quick and responsive keyboard for Worms Armageddon.
Mechanical or not, whatever works best for roping and overall typing comfort is ok.
Backlight/RGB is not essential, however, media controls are to a certain degree.
When it comes to key switches, I have used romer-G and I quite liked them. But red switches, are bad for me.
Any thoughts and recommendations?
Thanks.
Ducky and Wooting.
Also check out Bloody, Cooler Master and Logitech. Why don't you like red switches?
that's subjective
-
oh, I forgot that optical switches are a thing lol
Optical switches are not faster than mechanical switches. Input lag is dependant on the firmware and MCU used.
-
Most manufacturers do not care about input lag. They are content with something that works. Bloody are an exception which is why you can feel the difference.
-
I should add switches that actuate closer to the top feel more responsive. This applies equally to both optical and mechanical switches. Even small differences can be noticeable.
Quote from: Jengu on July 26, 2019, 10:45 AM
Most manufacturers do not care about input lag. They are content with something that works. Bloody are an exception which is why you can feel the difference.
That's why old IBM kbs (mechanical or rubberdome) are so good. They still feel fastest to me to this date. Although I have only tested a handful of modern kbs (logitech, Qpad, cherry). Old IBM is so good when it comes to response time.
Quote from: Anubis on July 26, 2019, 11:50 AM
That's why old IBM kbs (mechanical or rubberdome) are so good. They still feel fastest to me to this date. Although I have only tested a handful of modern kbs (logitech, Qpad, cherry). Old IBM is so good when it comes to response time.
Yeah, even though I can rope really fast with this Logitech k740 and it's the best keyboard i've found in the past 10-15 years, the IBM keyboard I had when I 1st started is where I learned how to do 2 handed scrolls and could generally rope really fast, it might just be my imagination but I think I was faster because of that keyboard, it was a PS/2 connection, which generally felt faster.
(https://i.imgur.com/qDQeQMf.png)
lmao I love how Masta just casually beats all these runs (https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-629/) with a SNES controller
Laser switches bloody - just fire. K740 still good enough for roping. I loved keyboards on laptops also, dunno why but most of them really usefull for roping and have not lags.
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
Quote from: AduN on July 27, 2019, 11:45 PM
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
listen to adun
wormers keep on looking for a keyboard that will fix their timing mistakes
only practice makes you better, not keyboards
everyone is looking for a shortcut but there isn't one
Quote from: AduN on July 27, 2019, 11:45 PM
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
How do you mean "couple" of o-rings..
Isn't spacebar equipped with only 1 switch? Which would mean only 1 o-ring as well!?
2 o-rings, m8
at this point, you may as well look at mx silent red or healios
Quote from: TheWalrus on July 28, 2019, 01:17 AM
Quote from: AduN on July 27, 2019, 11:45 PM
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
listen to adun
wormers keep on looking for a keyboard that will fix their timing mistakes
only practice makes you better, not keyboards
everyone is looking for a shortcut but there isn't one
Long ago back in the early 2000, I used regular plastic keyboard for roping and never gave a thought to it. There were no words about what keyboard you had, it was just about how good you were. My roping was fine, and over time my skills Improved. It was a unconscious acceptance to adapt to what you had.
Four years ago I still used a normal cheap plastic keyboard, and then something happened to it, so I had to get a new one. I still didn't care and thought about expensive keyboards, latency, etc, so I got myself a wireless keyboard. It worked well, I was happy with it, I adapted and mastered to its full potential as I did with my predecessors. By then people were raging on and on about mechanical keyboards, it was on worms, and youtube etc. So I thought to myself ''Why the hell not?'' so I Invested in a mechanical keyboard, with romer-g switches and I was surprised over how much I Improved, and I found myself I could even Improve more.
Unfortunately, one of the key switches broke, I was forced with 2 options; 1. Order a new keycap, and switch, dissemble the keyboard, remove switch, place new switch in and solden it. 2. Buy new one. I took my bet on the latter, and Invested in a new mechanical keyboard with red switches. My skills were dramatically reduced, my roping abilities became unstable & slow due to the spacebar. The spacebar is somewhat wobbly and overly sensitive. It is difficult to gain momentum and maintain speed. Sometime the rope shoots twice in a millisecond, or unwillingly. Sure, one could argue ''That's something to master'', but to that I say ''No''.- I have already mastered roping to a certain extent that I can feel comfortable at.
So I decided first time in my life to use wkRemapKeys. I switched spacebar to ctrl and capslock. My skills improved to its former glory, stable rope, acceleration and scrolls. Confidence was restored, and I was happy. Still, I need to get used to it, it feels odd.
Perhaps it is not about the switches, but how the keyboard is put together. Regardless, spacebar is worthless for roping on my current keyboard. And in the end, it does matter what keyboard you use and how much time you are willing to invest to master it. It is not like a noob turns into the best roper around given the right keyboard, all equipment takes time to overcome its potential. No matter if it is cheap or not.
Thanks for the replies nice people, I will take your feedback into consideration when I decide to get another keyboard :)
Quote from: Kradie on July 28, 2019, 05:16 PM
Quote from: TheWalrus on July 28, 2019, 01:17 AM
Quote from: AduN on July 27, 2019, 11:45 PM
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
listen to adun
wormers keep on looking for a keyboard that will fix their timing mistakes
only practice makes you better, not keyboards
everyone is looking for a shortcut but there isn't one
Long ago back in the early 2000, I used regular plastic keyboard for roping and never gave a thought to it. There were no words about what keyboard you had, it was just about how good you were. My roping was fine, and over time my skills Improved. It was a unconscious acceptance to adapt to what you had.
Four years ago I still used a normal cheap plastic keyboard, and then something happened to it, so I had to get a new one. I still didn't care and thought about expensive keyboards, latency, etc, so I got myself a wireless keyboard. It worked well, I was happy with it, I adapted and mastered to its full potential as I did with my predecessors. By then people were raging on and on about mechanical keyboards, it was on worms, and youtube etc. So I thought to myself ''Why the hell not?'' so I Invested in a mechanical keyboard, with romer-g switches and I was surprised over how much I Improved, and I found myself I could even Improve more.
Unfortunately, one of the key switches broke, I was forced with 2 options; 1. Order a new keycap, and switch, dissemble the keyboard, remove switch, place new switch in and solden it. 2. Buy new one. I took my bet on the latter, and Invested in a new mechanical keyboard with red switches. My skills were dramatically reduced, my roping abilities became unstable & slow due to the spacebar. The spacebar is somewhat wobbly and overly sensitive. It is difficult to gain momentum and maintain speed. Sometime the rope shoots twice in a millisecond, or unwillingly. Sure, one could argue ''That's something to master'', but to that I say ''No''.- I have already mastered roping to a certain extent that I can feel comfortable at.
So I decided first time in my life to use wkRemapKeys. I switched spacebar to ctrl and capslock. My skills improved to its former glory, stable rope, acceleration and scrolls. Confidence was restored, and I was happy. Still, I need to get used to it, it feels odd.
Perhaps it is not about the switches, but how the keyboard is put together. Regardless, spacebar is worthless for roping on my current keyboard. And in the end, it does matter what keyboard you use and how much time you are willing to invest to master it. It is not like a noob turns into the best roper around given the right keyboard, all equipment takes time to overcome its potential. No matter if it is cheap or not.
Thanks for the replies nice people, I will take your feedback into consideration when I decide to get another keyboard :)
Amen to that, I have some real shitty kbs in the cellar that I grabbed for free/1$ each just to test them for roping from a flea market, and by god... a few of them are so bad I could turn Mablak into Peja instantly, it's magic. :D
Quote from: Anubis on July 28, 2019, 09:46 PMa few of them are so bad I could turn Mablak into Peja instantly
:D
I love how Peja is still the standard example of bad roping ahahaha.
If I recall correctly, he started getting much better though, but the # of times i've heard Peja mentioned in that kind of reference, it's a pro meme :D
-
Cherry MY! All hail the wet newspaper gods!
In all seriousness, though, I'd use a retro Alps SKCM keyboard. Use a PS2 to USB converter if you have a modern PC. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a Rubber Dome keyboard that is hindering my performance.
Quote from: Kradie on July 28, 2019, 05:16 PM
Long ago back in the early 2000, I used regular plastic keyboard for roping and never gave a thought to it. There were no words about what keyboard you had, it was just about how good you were. My roping was fine, and over time my skills Improved. It was a unconscious acceptance to adapt to what you had.
Four years ago I still used a normal cheap plastic keyboard, and then something happened to it, so I had to get a new one. I still didn't care and thought about expensive keyboards, latency, etc, so I got myself a wireless keyboard. It worked well, I was happy with it, I adapted and mastered to its full potential as I did with my predecessors. By then people were raging on and on about mechanical keyboards, it was on worms, and youtube etc. So I thought to myself ''Why the hell not?'' so I Invested in a mechanical keyboard, with romer-g switches and I was surprised over how much I Improved, and I found myself I could even Improve more.
Unfortunately, one of the key switches broke, I was forced with 2 options; 1. Order a new keycap, and switch, dissemble the keyboard, remove switch, place new switch in and solden it. 2. Buy new one. I took my bet on the latter, and Invested in a new mechanical keyboard with red switches. My skills were dramatically reduced, my roping abilities became unstable & slow due to the spacebar. The spacebar is somewhat wobbly and overly sensitive. It is difficult to gain momentum and maintain speed. Sometime the rope shoots twice in a millisecond, or unwillingly. Sure, one could argue ''That's something to master'', but to that I say ''No''.- I have already mastered roping to a certain extent that I can feel comfortable at.
So I decided first time in my life to use wkRemapKeys. I switched spacebar to ctrl and capslock. My skills improved to its former glory, stable rope, acceleration and scrolls. Confidence was restored, and I was happy. Still, I need to get used to it, it feels odd.
Perhaps it is not about the switches, but how the keyboard is put together. Regardless, spacebar is worthless for roping on my current keyboard. And in the end, it does matter what keyboard you use and how much time you are willing to invest to master it. It is not like a noob turns into the best roper around given the right keyboard, all equipment takes time to overcome its potential. No matter if it is cheap or not.
Similar story. I've used membranes my whole life for everything. Last 2 years it was Logitech k120. What a keyboard! For 15$ you get all you need.
15 days ago I joined the hype and bought first mechanical (hyperX alloy, cherry red switches)
Divided in opinion. In some situations i lost (speed, responsivity, tapping) but in some it was a major win (rope control, kicks, power spikes..)
There's situations where new kb just don't release the rope. That's why I mentioned responsitivity as a loss. And no, it's not the timing. It just stops. On a cheap membrane whenever i failed, i knew it's my fault.. But now I'm standing there and thinking wtf just happened. Not even going fast, just regular wall to wall attaches and slow climbs that all of us can do blindfolded.. I see my worm just smashing the wall when key is obviously pressed for rope release.
Don't know how and why, but it's happening at least once per game and it's bothering me. Will order o-rings and install them on switches hoping it will solve the problem, but not too optimistic.
For everything else, mech beats membrane easily.. But i'll purchase another logitech k120, just to have it around.. Advise you all to do the same. Awesome cheap product.
Quote from: TheMadCharles on July 28, 2019, 10:25 AM
2 o-rings, m8
Yeah, I've noticed adun already said couple of o-rings. My question was how and why couple if keyboards are equipped with 1 switch on space bar. Isn't it 1 o-ring per switch?
There's probably only a handful of mech keyboards that have layout with divided spacebar (2 switches).
couple of orings
Quote from: AduN on July 29, 2019, 02:31 AM
couple of orings
Adun, you crafty mothertrucker. I didn't know it's possible to put more than 1 per key. Will try this when they arrive. Thx
Quote from: TheWalrus on July 28, 2019, 01:17 AM
Quote from: AduN on July 27, 2019, 11:45 PM
cherry mx red switches and a couple of o-rings in space.
cheap and simple.
listen to adun
wormers keep on looking for a keyboard that will fix their timing mistakes
only practice makes you better, not keyboards
everyone is looking for a shortcut but there isn't one
I agree 100%. As long as the keyboard doesn't have keylock/ghosting or whatever, you can do just as well with a cheap keyboard as you can with an expensive 'gamer' keyboard. It is practice/experience/skill that makes the difference, not the keyboard. Having a good keyboard might make a tiny bit of difference but mostly it's just all in one's head. Besides, W:A is not very competitive these days anyway so spending a bunch of cash on an expensive keyboard JUST for Worms is kinda silly IMO.
-