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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: ShaggY on March 09, 2016, 07:55 PM
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After two weeks looking for a keyboard, after a wrong purchase, finally I received my expected keyboard, COUGAR 200K.
I have tested and I can say that this is the best keyboard I have ever used to play, and probably the best keyboard, cost / benefit of the current market.
It is very beautiful and fits well to the notebook as you can see in the picture, the keyboard features rubber that prevent the keyboard from slipping. The keyboard also does not touch on notebook keyboard. He adapted very well.
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nice shaggy :D
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I used to use the Cheetah, you have the Cougar, who has the Panther??
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Friend and me are gonna order 2 of these. Doug, et us know flaws of the kb if there are any.
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I didn't notice any flaws so far, one of the coolest things in that keyboard is the large keys, especially the enter key. It's a standard keyboard.
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Glad you like it dude, now let's roper :)
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Re-opening this topic that Doug posted since he asked me too based on my decisions about certain keyboards I've used lately :P
For anyone interested in getting a good keyboard for worms, or gaming in general. I will give my 2 cents on what keyboards are nice and what I didn't like about some. Note that this is all user preference and everyone has a feel for different things so one keyboard might not work best for others and vice versa.
Keyboards used (earliest to latest)
1.) old school ps/2 logitech access multimedia rubber dome kb - this kb was amazing for roping... just wayyyyy too old and tons of input lag, key presses and double taps were good though. Wish they made PS/2 only gaming boards :P
2.) steelseries 6gv2 - this was my first entry level mechanical gaming kb with Cherry MX Black switches. I liked it, but always missed the feel of rubber dome/scissor switch keypresses that you get off a laptop feel. The switch (black) also has a heavy spring so it takes longer to reset after bottoming out the key, which helps with double taps. For a mechanical keyboard, it's cheap and simple, around $90.. so it's a good entry level mech board if you want to go down that path. And has a USB to PS/2 adapter :)
3.) corsair K95 RGB Vengeance - second mechanical keyboard, great for first person shooters and such or if you just want your keyboard to look fancy with backlighting etc. I've been roping on this keyboard for a few months. The switches are Cherry MX Reds, which are linear just like blacks, but have a lower actuation force and lighter spring. I like Blacks a lot more. The feel of a mechanical keyboard is totally different than a rubber dome/scissor switch keyboard.
4.) Logitech K740 Illuminated - Idk why everyone hypes up this keyboard, I experienced issues with it, but it is good nonetheless because of it's scissor switches, at least that's why I think so. I tried 2 different K740's as well and both had same results in the input lag and delayed response of arrow key control. I also experienced keylock on certain keys which is no good for gaming. The F keys above the numbers up top are way too small so it's very hard to press them with memorization in tense moments. The enter key is very small too, not my liking. Some people love this keyboard for the scissor switch keypresses (which resemble basically what a rubber dome keyboard is, membrane keys). I liked the keyboard simply for that purpose, the scissor switches... which leads me to my next keyboard that I will be using and why.
5.) Cougar 200K - Recommended to me by Doug. He currently uses this keyboard and loves it. He has told me the cougar 200k is a beauty, compact, low price, and totally playable. Best part about this keyboard (I have read reviews) is that it provides a very large Enter key, decent sized F keys, and it is gaming oriented which has a 19 key anti-ghosting, so anti-ghosting (no input lag either on the keyboard) is on the important keys, such as Shift+WASD+Space+Arrows+TAB and some more that I forget off the back of my hand. The keyboard uses scissor switch type mechanism just as the K740 does, but without input lag and ghosting and bigger F keys. It's very inexpensive in the USA, I paid $30 + shipping for the keyboard. For a budget keyboard, this is the one to go too.
So in summary, I just wanted to give a little report on the keyboards I've used and such so wormers can kind of get a feel of what they could buy if they are looking to upgrade their equipment. It's basically what you want in a keyboard, scissor switch or mechanical. All on personal feel and taste.
Cheers,
biscuits
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Seems Logitech has now build-in on-purpose key-ghosting in newer versions of their "cheaper" keyboards (so customers have to buy more expensive gaming-keyboards…). A lot of amazon reviews say so – almost was about to buy K740…
My Cougar 200K should arrive tomorrow =) hope I will get my TUS-points to raise over 1000 with it ;)
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4.) Logitech K740 Illuminated -I tried 2 different K740's as well and both had same results in the input lag and delayed response of arrow key control.
Nah man, you said this at the weekend and I told you it was nonsense, maybe your PC/setup is forcing some weird issue with the keyboard, or it's simply the way you press it that makes it seem slow? When I visit Liam down in England he's fast as hell with his keyboard but I feel like the same thing happens to me that you said happens to you, but I know it's because the way I press the keys differently from him, and he has a mechanical, the ones I don't like so much.
I can assure you there is no "input lag" or "delayed response" in the k740, at least no more than the standard time it takes for any computer to receive any keyboard, but you make it sound like it's ridiculously slow which is most certainly is not!
Now I would consider myself a slow tapper because my roping is based on timing/doing the right thing at the right time instead of spamming spacebar like most people seem to do these days, and yet i've been accused of using script/finger rolling/using multiple spacebars since I got the k740...
Personally speaking it has the fastest response i've ever seen and i've tried tarantula and other crap people suggested.
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Beautiful kb man, saw some reviews and im planning to buy this one too considering its very affordable to us brazilians, good choice.
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Definitely looks like a nice affordable keyboard. Might have to give it it try. As of tomorrow ill need to figure out what keyboard to buy.
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Definitely looks like a nice affordable keyboard. Might have to give it it try. As of tomorrow ill need to figure out what keyboard to buy.
corsair!
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Definitely looks like a nice affordable keyboard. Might have to give it it try. As of tomorrow ill need to figure out what keyboard to buy.
corsair!
Yea that's on my list!
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Yeah what is that input lag and why do u think Cougar 200k doesn't have it? Anti-ghosting just means u can press certain keys simultaneously.
Cougar 200k is a budget kb after all so it might be less durable.. but for that price it's worth a shot I think.
I'm looking forward to hearing how good it is for roping (Doug has no experience from K740 or mechanical kbs).
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Has anyone tried Trust GXT 280 for WA and other games?
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Yeah what is that input lag and why do u think Cougar 200k doesn't have it? Anti-ghosting just means u can press certain keys simultaneously.
Cougar 200k is a budget kb after all so it might be less durable.. but for that price it's worth a shot I think.
I'm looking forward to hearing how good it is for roping (Doug has no experience from K740 or mechanical kbs).
Input lag is when you press a key and the key press is delayed for a quick second or less, it's noticeable if you're looking for it, and I definitely experienced it on 2 K740's even with a fresh reformat of Windows (it wasn't my computer either since its brand new, i7-4790k). Input lag is definitely in the 740 from my experience so, whatever people want to say about it is all gravy but I've used and tested and have came to realizing it has it lol. Also the key lock on a $70 keyboard is annoying. As previously mentioned, high priced keyboards aren't the greatest. Only good thing about the K740 is the scissor switches, period, that's what makes roping on it feel nice, lol.
The 200K won't have any input lag from reviews I've read and from what Doug has told me. It's a gaming oriented keyboard so that's a plus, but I'll test it, worse comes to worse I return it if it does, which I highly doubt it will. Just because a keyboard is $30 doesn't mean it's going to be bad dude, lol. I'm using a $200 mechanical board right now and absolutely hate it and think it blows for roping. Price plays no factor in feeling good on the rope in this game.
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biscuits, I believe that you believe the k740 has this "input lag" you are talking about, but i'm still calling bs on it from my experience.
I've used around 12 or so keyboards for roping since 1999 and the k740 has by far the fastest response I can remember, however, here is a funny thing, have you tried how different keyboards react with different settings in WA advanced settings?
I've found the feeling/timing varies with different settings with different keyboards, that issue along with other hardware/software settings throughout your whole PC, as well as different monitors, can make the world of difference.
But I am totally unconvinced the k740 has "input lag", mainly considering I own one myself and the results are mindblowing to me, literally I was like "woah wtf!!!" when I 1st tried it after avirex told me how fast it was.
I am not calling you a liar, I just think there are underlying conditions beneath your problem.
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Meh, maybe you're just used to the feel of it from using it so long.
I'm pretty knowledgeable (computer savvy) so I know it's nothing on my end. I run with V-sync off always for every game I play. I also run on a BenQ 144hz monitor refresh rate 1ms response, as smooth as possible, paired with a i7-4790k, Nvidia GTX 970 and 16gb RAM so it's not my PC man lol.
I'm glad you enjoy it, I just simply didn't. Tried and tested and no Bueno for me. A $70 keyboard shouldn't have key lock anyways :P it's a great keyboard for typing but I wasn't satisfied with its performance in games, as I said, I liked one thing about it, the scissor switches, the F keys are way to tiny and the enter key.
Both TOMT and sock have used the k740 as well and both disliked it. TOMT has told me the same thing that I am stating about the input lag, even ask him mate, lol.
I'm not arguing over a keyboard tho, you like the k740, that's all that matters. it's not for everyone :)
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But I am totally unconvinced the k740 has "input lag", mainly considering I own one myself and the results are mindblowing to me, literally I was like "woah wtf!!!" when I 1st tried it after avirex told me how fast it was.
maybe in newer versions? As said - the newer versions even have keylock build in on purpose…
The 200K won't have any input lag from reviews I've read and from what Doug has told me. It's a gaming oriented keyboard so that's a plus, but I'll test it
Soon the forum will be full of 200K reviews XD
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aik: when it comes to a keyboard, it's not about the brand name or whatever really. It comes down to how you want the layout of the keyboard to look (which is why I liked the 200K) and the most important factor of it all is the key switch mechanism used. Some people prefer high raised keys that are mechanical switches, some prefer laptop style flat keys like scissor switches which are very silent and double tap fast. I really think those are the only 2 switch types on the market worth the time now a days. it's all what you want in the keyboard, there is no "best" brand.
As long as there's anti-ghosting somewhat, you're good to go
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here is no "best" brand.
sure – bought it for the same reasons… just noticed, that manny guys here are about to buy 200K - or got it lately ^^
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I'm waiting for someone, who'll build an only-for-worms-keyboard/controller =)
Maybe with Teensy ( https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/ )? Maybe I should be that person ;)
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Or just rope with a touch screen :P imagine that haha
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Or just rope with a touch screen :P imagine that haha
It's about what you like ;P
But I honestly crave for a working roping game on mobile devices... it's just… yeah the touchscreen thing ;)
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Meh, maybe you're just used to the feel of it from using it so long.
literally I was like "woah wtf!!!" when I 1st tried it after avirex told me how fast it was.
You really just said that after I said that 1st? Cmon man, can't you at least read my post before replying to it?
I can adapt to any keyboard but the point is my initial experience with the k740 was "Holy sh*t this is fast!!!".
I'm pretty knowledgeable (computer savvy) so I know it's nothing on my end.
I have eyes, and a brain, so I know there isn't an issue with the keyboard, point being, being computer savvy or not doesn't changes someones eyesight and ability to judge time.
Seriously though, I am not arguing whether anyone likes the k740 or not, it's honestly not my business.
What I disagree with, is you saying something that isn't true, mine doesn't have input lag, period, this isn't debatable.
However after reading what aik said about newer/older models, i've only had mine for about a year or something, perhaps I have an older model that is better than the one you had? I could accept that :)
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However after reading what aik said about newer/older models, i've only had mine for about a year or something, perhaps I have an older model that is better than the one you had? I could accept that :)
Well – I don't know that for sure. Never got to test it. Just based on amazon reviews – and they didn't metion lag, just "2-key-then-ghosting".
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Maybe I just had a newer model of it that had some kind of weird lag. Idk. I mean either way regardless I just disliked the keyboard because of the small F buttons, was hard to find them especially thru memorization. To each their own, whatever makes you happy, use it brothers! I'm not hating on anything, just saying my personal experience. But I feel like the hype on that keyboard is a lil too big... the only nice part about it is the scissor switches as I stated lol... scissor switches are low profile and you can tap them quick cause they bounce back very fast compared to mechanical, since they are basically a rubber dome switch (or beefed up rubber dome).
Cheers ;)
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I mean either way regardless I just disliked the keyboard because of the small F buttons, was hard to find them especially thru memorization.
That, we can definitely agree on, the F keys are kinda small, THAT took some getting used to, I feel comfortable with it now.
But I feel like the hype on that keyboard is a lil too big... the only nice part about it is the scissor switches as I stated lol...
Well, only a dozen or so ropers have claimed the k740 is really good, so I wouldn't say it's big hype or whatever, but the results of those who use these keyboards to their full potential speaks for itself.
But then again, you have to try all types of keyboards for a long time until you really know what you are best/most comfortable with, it can be an expensive and timely experience figuring this out, but worth it in the end if you have enough passion for the game.
Take gaming out of the equation, i'd still pay £70 for this keyboard, it's the most comfortable typing keyboard i've ever used which is very important to me, plus the lights are pretty :D
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I'm waiting for someone, who'll build an only-for-worms-keyboard/controller =)
Maybe with Teensy ( https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/ )? Maybe I should be that person ;)
If you are into electronics, take a look at Makey Makey (https://www.google.pl/search?q=makey+makey&tbm=isch) - it's a USB device which lets you connect any kind of trigger to the arrow keys and spacebar: regular switches, touch sensors, IR motion sensors etc.
I was going to try making a touch roping keyboard out of it when I was still playing worms, but in the end wasn't comfortable with splurging 50 euro on what might've ultimately turned out to be an useless toy ;)
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wasn't comfortable with splurging 50 euro on what might've ultimately turned out to be an useless toy ;)
Ye… no toy thing. A Controler/Keyboard, that ist really well suited for W:A ;)
btw: Don't whant to make this thread a build-your-own-keyboard-thread ^^ if someone does, he will open a thread for this i hope…
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@Caye:
I appreciate your effort to look crazy, practise pays off man well done!
Reading your post was like watching someone stuck in a loop with a piece of paper that has "please fold" written on both sides.
You say the keyboard is great, yet you say it's stupid, while at the same time being a keyboard time-of-death psychic, i'm impressed.
One mans trash is another mans treasure, what is useless for one person is a godsend for another.
People can decide themselves what they can and cannot afford to buy, so yeah, it might seem stupid for you, but it's the best damn £70 I ever spent on a keyboard, and when this keyboard decides to die i'll replace it.
Speaking of which, since your a psychic you can alert me a few days before it does ascend to keyboard heaven so I can order another one ;)
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Once i had a tweaker that could set USB sample frequency from standard 125 Herz to 250, 500 and 1000. Would be nice to read about outcome of this experiment.
Old tool for same purpose for Ps/2 port was called "ps/2 rate"
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Of course it's a good keyboard. It costs more than 100 bucks, how can it not be? I don't think Logitech directly rips people off, of course it's great.
It's just silly to read you justify the purchase over and over. It's almost as if you are totally aware of how much of a waste of money it really is.
Because it is. Like buying a continental GT is a waste of money if your goal is to drive. If your goal is to type silently, fast and with comfort, there are keyboards that match the led logitech in that regard that cost half the price. And as far as durability goes, let's not even go there.
It's a terrible keyboard recommendation for anyone that considers money to be an actual thing. If you don't care about price then you're judging products in your own magical way. But fact remains, it's a really bad keyboard for its price, mainly because the led technology is not cheap nor practical in any way, shape or form.
i bought my 100$ keyboard with LED's so I could save money on my electric bill over traditional keyboard backlighting.
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I'm planning to buy cougar 200k. Let us know is it worth it biscuits.
Right now pretty satisfied with 10$ Genius SlimStar i250. Remapped space cause of keylock. Still got some weird "input delays" (afaik). F keys are hard to find cause playing in dark. But after some time, easy to get used to. Keys are really great to type on. Big enter as well, which is nice to have.
Would like to buy new kb just cause I want to rope on normal space again.
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Haha, love your comparisons with touareg and bigfish games.
But didn't quite get the rest of the post.
It's not dark that bothers me, just a position of F keys. Can't seem to get used to it like with previous keyboard.
Tho, kb with lights could be the solution. And Cougar 200k seems to be best buy atm.
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Using Cougar 200K now. Approved. Nice keyboard.
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Of course it's a good keyboard.
Then what's the problem?
But fact remains, it's a really bad keyboard for its price
That is your opinion, it isn't a fact.
I think it's great for it's price, I recommend it to anyone who can afford it, and I always will regardless of your opinion.
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Using Cougar 200K now. Approved. Nice keyboard.
you said this about the corsair k95, and also the k740, ill wait until the honeymoon period is over for your full review.
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It's a really good keyboard imho for $30. Scissor switch kb is nice to have on top of a mechanical dude. Why not have best of both worlds? :) 1 for worms 1 for other shizzle
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The 200K doesn't work with Linux without a special driver and also doesn't work in many UEFI/BIOS at all because it uses a non-standard USB protocol. It also doesn't work with OS X.
There's more information about that issue here: http://swoogan.blogspot.de/2014/09/azio-l70-keyboard-linux-driver.html (the AZIO L70 uses the same weird protocol).
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The 200K doesn't work with Linux
Nooooooooooooooooo! If I'd known that earlier…
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The Linux driver is available here: https://bitbucket.org/Swoogan/aziokbd (you should be able to install it without using another keyboard, the only keys not working without that driver are the Ctrl, Alt, Menu and Windows keys).
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Phew – just a few secs of panic ^^ (but should have guessed)
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
IBM rapid access probably are a fortune nowadays. vintage electronics are chic now, PC, NES, SNES, ect. I wanted to buy yoshi's island for SNES and its more than a new xbox one game :o
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
no way biscuits, the rapid access is a beast, it never ghosts, weighs about 7 pounds, and has a springloaded spacebar. this keyboard could survive a nuclear blast what more could you want?
While looking for it i realized i never had a rapid access, i had this thing:
(http://www.dansdata.com/images/ibmboard/ibmboard_360.jpg)
So i dunno about rapid access, but this one ^ is amazing
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Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
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in 1999 keyboards where much better. They used single keys and single circuits. Ghosting didn't exist, it's a term we had to invent recently. You can take every single key out of an old IBM, throw them in water, clean em, and put them back.
Please remember that "modern mechanical keyboards" only exist because people tried to emulate the scarce model M and then the gaming industry was born in the form of specialized gear and such and now we have key switches with funny names and such.
Yup, you're right. 17 year old technology was better than modern day technology. *Insert sarcasm here*
Believe what you will, use what you like. Lmao.
I can take every single key out of my $200 Corsair K95 as well. Hell, I can even change the switch from Red to either Blue/Brown/Black, whatever I want. Unfortunately it's not a PCB-mounted keyboard, it's plate mounted so it requires a lot more work that I wouldn't do since I'm not professional with desoldering. I can also remove my keycaps with ease off a mechanical and clean the keyboard when in need. You have no idea what you're talking about in terms of keyboard performance, that's like using your car analogy... my 1999 Nissan Maxima drives better than my 2011 Dodge pick-up truck. Sike.
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
I bought it because the very old IBM mechanicals have the best reputation of all kbs ever built, I had one of those beasts and thought the rubber dome version from IBM might be good quality as well, which turned out to be true. I don't give a f@#! about how a kb works or looks or which plug-in connector it uses. I need performance, not luxury. I have spent more money than you ever will on kbs, and the fact I did is the reason I can reasonable compare them all.
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
I bought it because the very old IBM mechanicals have the best reputation of all kbs ever built, I had one of those beasts and thought the rubber dome version from IBM might be good quality as well, which turned out to be true. I don't give a f@#! about how a kb works or looks or which plug-in connector it uses. I need performance, not luxury. I have spent more money than you ever will on kbs, and the fact I did is the reason I can reasonable compare them all.
Cool, still doesn't draw attention to my eye as being a "performance" keyboard considering how old it is. I'll stick with my Corsair K95 and Ducky Shine's ;) Cherry switches shit on your IBM keyboard, lol. You're a retired roper right? I'd like to see you 1v1 someone on a mechanical cherry board. Would be interesting.
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
I bought it because the very old IBM mechanicals have the best reputation of all kbs ever built, I had one of those beasts and thought the rubber dome version from IBM might be good quality as well, which turned out to be true. I don't give a f@#! about how a kb works or looks or which plug-in connector it uses. I need performance, not luxury. I have spent more money than you ever will on kbs, and the fact I did is the reason I can reasonable compare them all.
Cool, still doesn't draw attention to my eye as being a "performance" keyboard considering how old it is. I'll stick with my Corsair K95 and Ducky Shine's ;) Cherry switches shit on your IBM keyboard, lol.
Except I own my very own cherry blue switches mechanical kb and I outperform it with the old one... *sigh*
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
I bought it because the very old IBM mechanicals have the best reputation of all kbs ever built, I had one of those beasts and thought the rubber dome version from IBM might be good quality as well, which turned out to be true. I don't give a f@#! about how a kb works or looks or which plug-in connector it uses. I need performance, not luxury. I have spent more money than you ever will on kbs, and the fact I did is the reason I can reasonable compare them all.
Cool, still doesn't draw attention to my eye as being a "performance" keyboard considering how old it is. I'll stick with my Corsair K95 and Ducky Shine's ;) Cherry switches shit on your IBM keyboard, lol.
Except I own my very own cherry blue switches mechanical kb and I outperform it with the old one... *sigh*
Lol, you just proved my point right there. You own a bunch of "Blue" Cherry switches which are the worst switches, period. Try some reds/blacks/browns then respond.
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The difference is negligible, you are trying REALLY hard to justify your purchase, live your dream.
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The difference is negligible, you are trying REALLY hard to justify your purchase, live your dream.
If you would pull up a google website or something or had any clear knowledge of Cherry switches, you would know that buying a "Blue" switch on a keyboard for roping or gaming in general is a no-go. So you sir, wasted money on a mechanical for shit reasons. Unless you enjoy just typing. Try a linear switch like red/black and rope on it then respond. Hands down, do that then talk to me. Till then, you're just wasting oxygen.
Let me guess, you bought a razer product? LOL
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The difference is negligible, you are trying REALLY hard to justify your purchase, live your dream.
If you would pull up a google website or something or had any clear knowledge of Cherry switches, you would know that buying a "Blue" switch on a keyboard for roping or gaming in general is a no-go. So you sir, wasted money on a mechanical for shit reasons. Unless you enjoy just typing. Try a linear switch like red/black and rope on it then respond. Hands down, do that then talk to me. Till then, you're just wasting oxygen.
You are retarded. (and can't read)
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Yes I'm retarded but you bought a Cherry MX Blue switch(and it's probably a razer) keyboard. HAHA! Please man... please... *end of discussion*
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It's not a razer, and I bought it for the typing pleasure, you never even read my initial post in this thread.
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It's not a razer, and I bought it for the typing pleasure, you never even read my initial post in this thread.
Okay, so you're comparing a switch intended for typing over an old IBM keyboard and saying it's better than a red/black linear switched keyboard? Makes no sense. Anyways, use what you want dude.... whatever floats your boat. lol.
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It's not a razer, and I bought it for the typing pleasure, you never even read my initial post in this thread.
Okay, so you're comparing a switch intended for typing over an old IBM keyboard and saying it's better than a red/black linear switched keyboard? Makes no sense. Anyways, use what you want dude.... whatever floats your boat. lol.
The technical differences between the switches is minor, the biggest difference is the required pressure to activate and tactile and audible feel. You bought it because it had a big price tag, not because it's better. Deal with it.
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It's not a razer, and I bought it for the typing pleasure, you never even read my initial post in this thread.
Okay, so you're comparing a switch intended for typing over an old IBM keyboard and saying it's better than a red/black linear switched keyboard? Makes no sense. Anyways, use what you want dude.... whatever floats your boat. lol.
The technical differences between the switches is minor, the biggest difference is the required pressure to activate and tactile and audible feel. You bought it because it had a big price tag, not because it's better. Deal with it.
Tactile and audible feel. Cool. Yea your blue switches have tons of tactile and audible feel. If you had any clue on Cherry switches, or keyboards in general, you would know that Blacks and Reds have no tactile feedback, no clicks, low actuation (meaning you don't have to bottom out the key for it to register) and spring back faster. No need to argue this with you though, you have not one slight clue about keyboards. I'd love to rope against you. I guess that's why Nonentity (masta) uses a Cherry Red board? He's pretty good on the rope, wouldn't you agree?
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It's not a razer, and I bought it for the typing pleasure, you never even read my initial post in this thread.
Okay, so you're comparing a switch intended for typing over an old IBM keyboard and saying it's better than a red/black linear switched keyboard? Makes no sense. Anyways, use what you want dude.... whatever floats your boat. lol.
The technical differences between the switches is minor, the biggest difference is the required pressure to activate and tactile and audible feel. You bought it because it had a big price tag, not because it's better. Deal with it.
Tactile and audible feel. Cool. Yea your blue switches have tons of tactile and audible feel. If you had any clue on Cherry switches, or keyboards in general, you would know that Blacks and Reds have no tactile feedback, no clicks, low actuation (meaning you don't have to bottom out the key for it to register) and spring back faster. No need to argue this with you though, you have not one slight clue about keyboards. I'd love to rope against you. I guess that's why Nonentity (masta) uses a Cherry Red board? He's pretty good on the rope, wouldn't you agree?
I am just a regular pleb that plays default, don't rope sorry bro.
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Caye man, you may be booksmart, but you definitely don't have common sense.
One of the main ways of achieving this is by cheapening production costs.
Yes, that's true, but you cannot assume this for every f**king product in the world.
While it's true in general things tend not to last as long as they used to, i'd rather have an awesome keyboard that lasts 3-5 years that some piece of sh*t that lasts forever, haunting me for eternity.
While there may be keyboards that are similar to the k740(I mean most keyboards are similar, they are keyboards it isn't rocket science), they are not the k740, they don't look exactly the same, they don't feel exactly the same.
You talk about budgeting and cheap versions, you think some shitty $10 ripoff of the k740 will be as good and last as long? Please, you may be able to fool some people, but I have personally tested close to 100 keyboards and k740 stands out a mile, for me, for my personal taste, why can't you just respect that?
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So no one is going to tell Biscuits from the BRB community that he is embarrasing himself talking roping and keyboards with Anubis?
Does he even know that the Cherry switches were invented to emulate the Model M?
@Komito
You have used one hundred keyboards? How does the K stand out by a mile? In what sense?
So far you haven't compared the K740 to any other keyboard nor explained why it's better. All you're doing is waving the opinion card over and over again. If you're so proud of having an opinion of your own, why don't you share it? It almost seems as if you can't. Why is it better than keyboards of similar pricetag like a Das Keyboard or an Endurapro?
We know you love keyboard, you're super happy, your best 100 bucks ever spent etc, can you tell us why it's good in comparison to a keyboard that costs half the price, lasts twice as long and gives the same performance?
I've played this game longer than Anubis, you obviously don't even know who I am cause you're garbage at this game anyhow. Also, Anubis doesn't even rope 1 space 1 finger, so yeah idk what you're trying to say but I'd love to shit on any of you with my mech board.
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'd love to shit on any of you with my mech board.
Oh.. you love mechanical again? Good to know. You said it's shit like...5 days ago.
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'd love to shit on any of you with my mech board.
Oh.. you love mechanical again? Good to know. You said it's shit like...5 days ago.
What's shit is your BnG skills for someone who's on welfare and can't afford good computer accessories and toots his horn about being amazing at the easiest scheme in the game lmao
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Relax Biscuits. Take a deep breath, gather all your kb's in one place, put a big picture of yourself on monitor screen and start jerking off.
Isn't that what makes your life worth living? :)
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Relax Biscuits. Take a deep breath, gather all your kb's in one place, put a big picture of yourself on monitor screen and start jerking off.
Isn't that what makes your life worth living? :)
Nah actually weed sex $$$ and live concerts of jam bands I like is what makes life worth living you wouldn't know cause you don't listen to good music nor have any swag.
Nerd. Keep binge drinking your alcohol, probably drowns out the pain of your life being so bad, lmfao
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You have used one hundred keyboards? How does the K stand out by a mile? In what sense?
I admit, it's probably closer to 50 or 60, many of which have been used at friends houses, testing then sending back because I didn't like it, i've only ever stuck to about 10 or so models I liked.
I don't know the technical stuff as much as you seem to, but what I do know is none of that matters because I know what works for me and you could be the smartest being in the universe and your opinion still means nothing towards my personal experience.
So far you haven't compared the K740 to any other keyboard
I don't have to.
All you're doing is waving the opinion card over and over again.
So what you are saying is that I am guilty of doing the same thing you are? Most of what you say is purely opinion also, am I a criminal for that? Sorry!
Why is it better than keyboards of similar pricetag like a Das Keyboard or an Endurapro?
If you can find me a keyboard that is a 100% clone of the k740, cheaper, then i'll shutup and admit you are correct, if you can't, then YOU shutup and admit you talk sh*t, if you can't be bothered looking, then shutup anyway.
Also, Anubis was a f**king cheater, imo he might have looked the best, but he was not as good as you think.
@biscuits - Just because you guys can't agree doesn't mean you must lower the standards of the arguement to who is the oldest/best player, it's childish and pathetic...
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So you have an opinion but are unable to explain it.
I already have explained my opinion, perhaps not in a way suitable for you to understand the way I feel, but it's still there even if you don't see it.
But we are talking about hardware here, not abstract feelings of preference.
Actually the whole topic is people expressing their personal preferences so people have a larger base of reviews to take into consideration when purchasing something themselves, anyone who bases their purchased based on 1 opinion or 1 review is pretty careless.
if you haven't compared it then why do you insist in rating it?
So i've tried dozens of keyboards and you think I won't compare them to each other? How do you think I decide which one is best for me in the 1st place, cmon man please tell me you aren't really that ignorant?
Where have I waved the opinion card lol?
One example, you saying "it's when you invent reasons that it looks stupid, and when directly asked you seem unable to give any either way.", that's an opinion not a fact lol.
I could go and pick out each sentence you said that was an opinion not a fact but what would be the point, you would argue it then i'd argue it and well that's just silly :)
May I ask, what is your career?
I do not have a career as of yet, although aiming to have a career in the audio industry, things like sampling for companies, mixing engineering, music production, releasing songs, teaching are some of the things I am interested in, I studied down in London with a private tutor in 2013 who constantly teaches and supports.
Currently I work nightshift in a supermarket which makes enough money to live and support my main goal, and is brainless enough so I can spend as much time on other things as possible.
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Not much love for the Steelseries 6gv2.
I have had the keyboard for near enough 2 years - but I haven't had the k740 or any of the other keyboards mentioned in this thread.
Clear case of never had the "right" keyboard?
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Have you tried the K800? I'd prefer wireless. Do you think any wireless keyboard can be good for roping? I'm concerned about input lag. My current bluetooth keyboard/mouse all-in-one sucks so badly it's not even fun playing simple schemes like Team 17.
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Have you tried the K800? I'd prefer wireless. Do you think any wireless keyboard can be good for roping? I'm concerned about input lag. My current bluetooth keyboard/mouse all-in-one sucks so badly it's not even fun playing simple schemes like Team 17.
I had a wireless keyboard once, if definitely had lagg. I could type out a sentence fast then watch it start to appear when I looked up. Might have been fine to rope with but I doubt it.
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Have you tried the K800? I'd prefer wireless. Do you think any wireless keyboard can be good for roping? I'm concerned about input lag. My current bluetooth keyboard/mouse all-in-one sucks so badly it's not even fun playing simple schemes like Team 17.
If there's another radio device nearby (router, cell phone etc.), any wireless keyboard/mouse will lag due to frequency interference. They only work fine in "quiet" environments ;)
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Have you tried the K800? I'd prefer wireless. Do you think any wireless keyboard can be good for roping? I'm concerned about input lag. My current bluetooth keyboard/mouse all-in-one sucks so badly it's not even fun playing simple schemes like Team 17.
If there's another radio device nearby (router, cell phone etc.), any wireless keyboard/mouse will lag due to frequency interference. They only work fine in "quiet" environments ;)
That makes sense then cause my phone was always next the the computer.
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Hmm.. I usually have my phone next to the keyboard. Thanks for the info.
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I think some people are mislead about keyboards and this game. Mechanical keyboards aren't optimal for WA at all, not to say people can't rope well with them, I've got a Das 3 with MX Browns and they're considered a great all rounder for typing and "gaming", unlike blues which have an uneven release / activation point, if you can ride the activation point on Browns / Reds etc you can have as fast response as any keyboard, but the thing is it's too hard on Cherry switches. I did use red o-rings on it for a while a long time ago but I find 1 it turns a mech feel back into a squishy rubber dome and 2 although it does slightly reduce the key travel I found it didn't help at all with performance.
The key travel is far too long, the spacebar is clunky and wobbly, I've had the Das for 6 years and still can't reliably ride the actuation point because of this. I think they do fine for FPS gaming where WASD etc works fine, but for fast / accurate tapping I'd use something else. The Cherry switches are designed for good typing feel and offer no advantage whatsoever over a standard membrane KB. Of course when they go mainstream in this day and age gaming companies are going to take advantage of it and make it seem like the next best thing, just like 12000 dpi mice running @ 2000hz.
As for PS/2 and USB, PS/2 are technically better (I ran the Das on it for the sake of NKRO, and why not if I have a PS/2 port) as it's interrupt driven over USB polled, so if it's possible to use PS/2, aside from hot plugging it's better regardless, but you won't notice any difference in latency when gaming, wireless I'd avoid everywhere (input, network etc) if you care about stability and latency.
While I'm nowhere near the best roper I like to have a setup for as close to zero lag as possible for gaming in general, like using a CRT monitor with high refresh rate, I have a custom minimal windows XP disk just for WA and Quake that's tuned for lowest latency (Vista, 7, 8 and 10 all have input lag and high DPC latency). I mod all sorts of things to make them better, it's just a hobby really to aim for perfection.
With keyboards I think the scissor switch will always be most optimal default because of the low travel as long as keylock doesn't interfere, I tried roping with mouse clicks before which worked ok for response (I modded the switches inside to fast responding ones) and felt quite natural as I use WASD for movement but I found the clicks just weren't smooth like a keyboard and it felt still a bit slow.
I've tried the paper ball method under the membrane of rubber dome - this one is probably the best mod you can do, but it has to be done right, as you can make the keyboard as responsive as you like (even touch sensitive) but I think you have the get a good hard wearing object underneath that isn't going to shift over time for it to be reliable. This method could probably be unbeatable if you took the time to set it up right.
Standard rubber domes I find vary loads in how sensitive they are, some are lower travel and soft, some are really stiff either by default or where the domes have aged, but they're still in general better than mechanicals because of how fast the dome snaps back.
Last year I switched my Das to a HHKB Pro-2 which has Topre switches and it's USB, I've dental banded them (sort of similar to o-rings on cherry, but they don't affect the feel of the key when bottoming out) which reduces the key travel slightly, I find the Topre amazing for response as they're a mix of spring and dome and make no contact on actuation, they also bounce back really fast with very low tolerance (no wobble / rattle), basically they blow Cherry out of the water for typing feel and key response (makes Cherry feel like a cheap toy).
I've never tried Alps switches so can't comment on them, also buckling springs I haven't tried in so long but I'm pretty sure they're crap for anything other than typing because of how stiff they are, also the Model M has I think very low key rollover (2 or 3 I think) although the Model F has NKRO and also better switches.
Just thought I'd share some of my thoughts on keyboards and stuff, basically in terms of maximum possible tapping speed and timing accuracy, I would say the #1 keyboard for WA would be a decent modded one with an optimal object under the membrane to make it touch sensitive. As long as keylock doesn't come into effect either that or naturally the next best thing would be a low profile scissor switch board.
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Model M keyboard is the perfect keyboard if you use 1 finger only, the control and activation point is ridiculous accurate. If you twitch or fingerroll however, it can't handle high speeds as well as others due to the buckling spring tech. Also, the contacts on Model M are insanely responsive, unfortunately it's a pain in the ass to remove the keys to get access to them.
In terms of modding, it does not matter what tech a kb uses because the best mod is tapping directly on the contact without any sort of object, however it requires 1. big contacts (such has the Model M, IBM rapid access, some Logitech etc.) 2. small fingers, if your fingers are too big you simply can't hit it and 3. even then you need a lot of practice to hit the keys. It took me a couple of months to even get good at this method of tapping but it's the best you can get in terms of responsibility , reliability and accuracy.
So, in the end the best mod, is to not mod, kinda. Simply remove all the bells and whistles and enjoy the inner life of your kb and get accustomed to it.
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I think some people are mislead about keyboards and this game. Mechanical keyboards aren't optimal for WA at all, not to say people can't rope well with them, I've got a Das 3 with MX Browns and they're considered a great all rounder for typing and "gaming", unlike blues which have an uneven release / activation point, if you can ride the activation point on Browns / Reds etc you can have as fast response as any keyboard, but the thing is it's too hard on Cherry switches. I did use red o-rings on it for a while a long time ago but I find 1 it turns a mech feel back into a squishy rubber dome and 2 although it does slightly reduce the key travel I found it didn't help at all with performance.
The key travel is far too long, the spacebar is clunky and wobbly, I've had the Das for 6 years and still can't reliably ride the actuation point because of this. I think they do fine for FPS gaming where WASD etc works fine, but for fast / accurate tapping I'd use something else. The Cherry switches are designed for good typing feel and offer no advantage whatsoever over a standard membrane KB. Of course when they go mainstream in this day and age gaming companies are going to take advantage of it and make it seem like the next best thing, just like 12000 dpi mice running @ 2000hz.
As for PS/2 and USB, PS/2 are technically better (I ran the Das on it for the sake of NKRO, and why not if I have a PS/2 port) as it's interrupt driven over USB polled, so if it's possible to use PS/2, aside from hot plugging it's better regardless, but you won't notice any difference in latency when gaming, wireless I'd avoid everywhere (input, network etc) if you care about stability and latency.
While I'm nowhere near the best roper I like to have a setup for as close to zero lag as possible for gaming in general, like using a CRT monitor with high refresh rate, I have a custom minimal windows XP disk just for WA and Quake that's tuned for lowest latency (Vista, 7, 8 and 10 all have input lag and high DPC latency). I mod all sorts of things to make them better, it's just a hobby really to aim for perfection.
With keyboards I think the scissor switch will always be most optimal default because of the low travel as long as keylock doesn't interfere, I tried roping with mouse clicks before which worked ok for response (I modded the switches inside to fast responding ones) and felt quite natural as I use WASD for movement but I found the clicks just weren't smooth like a keyboard and it felt still a bit slow.
I've tried the paper ball method under the membrane of rubber dome - this one is probably the best mod you can do, but it has to be done right, as you can make the keyboard as responsive as you like (even touch sensitive) but I think you have the get a good hard wearing object underneath that isn't going to shift over time for it to be reliable. This method could probably be unbeatable if you took the time to set it up right.
Standard rubber domes I find vary loads in how sensitive they are, some are lower travel and soft, some are really stiff either by default or where the domes have aged, but they're still in general better than mechanicals because of how fast the dome snaps back.
Last year I switched my Das to a HHKB Pro-2 which has Topre switches and it's USB, I've dental banded them (sort of similar to o-rings on cherry, but they don't affect the feel of the key when bottoming out) which reduces the key travel slightly, I find the Topre amazing for response as they're a mix of spring and dome and make no contact on actuation, they also bounce back really fast with very low tolerance (no wobble / rattle), basically they blow Cherry out of the water for typing feel and key response (makes Cherry feel like a cheap toy).
I've never tried Alps switches so can't comment on them, also buckling springs I haven't tried in so long but I'm pretty sure they're crap for anything other than typing because of how stiff they are, also the Model M has I think very low key rollover (2 or 3 I think) although the Model F has NKRO and also better switches.
Just thought I'd share some of my thoughts on keyboards and stuff, basically in terms of maximum possible tapping speed and timing accuracy, I would say the #1 keyboard for WA would be a decent modded one with an optimal object under the membrane to make it touch sensitive. As long as keylock doesn't come into effect either that or naturally the next best thing would be a low profile scissor switch board.
Cool story. But yeah sorry mechanicals are better than whatever you described and Windows XP is garbage, majority of people can't even use Windows XP on their PC's because their motherboard doesn't support XP drivers... lmfao... an OS has nothing to do with improving your skill and if you think so then yeah ummmm cool bro. I'd also prefer my BenQ 24" widescreen at 144hz that smokes your CRT monitor that is limited to 1024x768 while I rope on 1080p. Also, the DAS and HHKB are probably the 2 worst mechanical keyboards you could buy, along with a razer.... if you're buying those brands out of the majority of well respected and better build quality brands you definitely have no idea what you're talking about haha (and im not talking bout gaming company brands). As far as your "analogy" or whatever it was about 1200 DPI mice... some people benefit from high DPI if they play games on resolutions higher than 1080p... or just general use of their PC on a large monitor. Hence why most mice are sold at 400/800/1600/3200, to give the customer an option or be able to switch. Just like mechanical keyboards, they not only offer good cherry switches, you're able to swap them if your board is PCB mounted, or you're able to replace ABS keycaps with PBT keycaps. You can do whatever you want to your board opposed to staring at a piece of shit that just lags and has keylock. Sorry but it's 2016.
Also, I've tested scissor switches side by side with my mechanical... and it wasn't better. It's all personal preference dude.... I like high keys and some other people don't and some do, it's a matter of taste of what you have the feel for with being comfortable. There is no best keyboard to use. Period. But what I will say is that mechanicals are the best thing on the market and will stay that way. Cherry switches blow your paper method out of the water and your 1999 keyboards you think are good cause they are Ps/2 hot wired when you have no understanding that the vast majority of USB keyboards poll at a 1ms response time... lmao... sorry I don't enjoy having 2 key roll over on those shitty old keyboards. You can disagree with that all you want, I don't give a shit. Lmao.
Model M keyboard is the perfect keyboard if you use 1 finger only, the control and activation point is ridiculous accurate. If you twitch or fingerroll however, it can't handle high speeds as well as others due to the buckling spring tech. Also, the contacts on Model M are insanely responsive, unfortunately it's a pain in the ass to remove the keys to get access to them.
In terms of modding, it does not matter what tech a kb uses because the best mod is tapping directly on the contact without any sort of object, however it requires 1. big contacts (such has the Model M, IBM rapid access, some Logitech etc.) 2. small fingers, if your fingers are too big you simply can't hit it and 3. even then you need a lot of practice to hit the keys. It took me a couple of months to even get good at this method of tapping but it's the best you can get in terms of responsibility , reliability and accuracy.
So, in the end the best mod, is to not mod, kinda. Simply remove all the bells and whistles and enjoy the inner life of your kb and get accustomed to it.
Model M is not great for double tapping, it's very tactile and clicky and has a lot of hysteresis, it also only has 2KRO. So your Model M (which is a mechanical keyboard, lmao) is basically like a Cherry Blue... lmao? Please get an understanding of computer parts/accessories. You probably bought your PC pre-built.
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Sorry Biscuit but you don't seem to know much of what you're talking about. The Das 3 (not the newer models) is extremely well built, also the HHKB doesn't creak at all and is one of the best built and also has high quality PBT caps, hardly the _worst_. Also regarding the keylock / rollover you keep on about, the Das 3 has NKRO (can press all keys at once), the HHKB has 6kro but can be modded to have NKRO too. Both of which are completely good.
As for USB polling, keyboards don't poll @1000hz (1ms), some mice do by default, and if they did it wouldn't make a difference as it's not a constant movement, like a mouse pointer, so if anything 1000hz is worse as it cains more CPU needlessly, polling, at any rate is worse than PS/2 for this regardless as PS/2 is a much more direct input method. I'm just stating a fact here, I use USB myself and even said it doesn't make any difference in real world performance, just on paper. So if you have a keyboard that supports PS/2 and have a PS/2 port, you might as well use it for the sake of it. Also the joke about stupid high dpi mice was just me saying how lame marketing can be, I know high(er) dpi mice can be useful for high res but they also jitter a hell of a lot @ high dpi's it's just marketing numbers for the gaming crowd to look cool.
Windows XP is old yes, but does have a lot lower latency and also with anir's mouse accelfix has the best pointer ballistics of any Windows OS. I have studied this for about a decade, you will find some people notice it wether they are gamers or audio people, XP has the lowest latency and jitter, it's a much more minimal and raw OS than the newer ones so if you play DX9 games it's the best option.
Your BenQ would not smoke my CRT, that's insanity. My CRT does up to 2048x1536 @ 80hz but can do up to 160hz at lower resolutions, but the refresh rate isn't half of it, the CRT has absolutely 0 input lag and probably better contrast / colours than almost anything else.
As for what Anubis said, he is right about using bare contacts. This isn't much different to the "object under the membrane" method, which just makes it more comfortable as you have a key to tap, but it can still be tuned to be touch sensitive literally but ideally for speed and control you want something instant like this without anything in the way, like tapping your finger on the table and roping like this.
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Sorry Biscuit but you don't seem to know much of what you're talking about. The Das 3 (not the newer models) is extremely well built, also the HHKB doesn't creak at all and is one of the best built and also has high quality PBT caps, hardly the _worst_. Also regarding the keylock / rollover you keep on about, the Das 3 has NKRO (can press all keys at once), the HHKB has 6kro but can be modded to have NKRO too. Both of which are completely good.
As for USB polling, keyboards don't poll @1000hz (1ms), some mice do by default, and if they did it wouldn't make a difference as it's not a constant movement, like a mouse pointer, so if anything 1000hz is worse as it cains more CPU needlessly, polling, at any rate is worse than PS/2 for this regardless as PS/2 is a much more direct input method. I'm just stating a fact here, I use USB myself and even said it doesn't make any difference in real world performance, just on paper. So if you have a keyboard that supports PS/2 and have a PS/2 port, you might as well use it for the sake of it. Also the joke about stupid high dpi mice was just me saying how lame marketing can be, I know high(er) dpi mice can be useful for high res but they also jitter a hell of a lot @ high dpi's it's just marketing numbers for the gaming crowd to look cool.
Windows XP is old yes, but does have a lot lower latency and also with anir's mouse accelfix has the best pointer ballistics of any Windows OS. I have studied this for about a decade, you will find some people notice it wether they are gamers or audio people, XP has the lowest latency and jitter, it's a much more minimal and raw OS than the newer ones so if you play DX9 games it's the best option.
Your BenQ would not smoke my CRT, that's insanity. My CRT does up to 2048x1536 @ 80hz but can do up to 160hz at lower resolutions, but the refresh rate isn't half of it, the CRT has absolutely 0 input lag and probably better contrast / colours than almost anything else.
As for what Anubis said, he is right about using bare contacts. This isn't much different to the "object under the membrane" method, which just makes it more comfortable as you have a key to tap, but it can still be tuned to be touch sensitive literally but ideally for speed and control you want something instant like this without anything in the way, like tapping your finger on the table and roping like this.
I know exactly what I'm talking about and you're completely clueless. Please save yourself the trouble. I'll smoke you in a roper/wxw/TTRR on my mech board while you "think" you use all the right shit, lmao... Your CRT smokes my BenQ? doubt it. Das or HHKB? Who cares if they have NKRO why would you even bring that up every keyboard on the market pretty much has NKRO, at this point you're basically comparing those 2 brands to a razer kb, it's shit. As I said, you have not one slightest clue about decent mechanical board brands if you're going with a Das or HHKB, lmao. I've used anirs accelfix on WinXP before as I play CS competitively... sorry but it's nothing but mouse raw input. Please man, you really don't have a clue.
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Raw input is supposed to get rid of mouse acceleration and bypass the mouse settings in control panel. The actual pointer code from Windows still comes into play so regardless if you use raw input or not, accelfix still takes effect.
Anyway I'll leave you to your own opinions on the keyboards / monitors etc. You probably would annihilate me in a rope game yes, I only come to talk about the hardware.
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Raw input is supposed to get rid of mouse acceleration and bypass the mouse settings in control panel. The actual pointer code from Windows still comes into play so regardless if you use raw input or not, accelfix still takes effect.
Anyway I'll leave you to your own opinions on the keyboards / monitors etc. You probably would annihilate me in a rope game yes, I only come to talk about the hardware.
Sorry but you're wrong again. Raw input disables mouse acceleration, yes. Bypasses the mouse settings in CP? Yeah, it makes the notch stay on 6-11 for 1:1 movement... it completely bypasses the operating systems mouse movement and takes raw mouse data hence why you don't need a MarkC mouse fix or CPL mouse fix if you even know what those are.
You don't know much about hardware either "mate"
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MarkC and CPL are registry fixes, anir's is a patched system file. Take any game that uses raw input, without anir's fix and with, it feels different. Lots of people have said it too. I don't know if you have access to an XP system to try it, you probably don't or don't care but it's diferent with the fix, easiest way to test is compare to any Windows higher than XP all using raw input they all feel different when shaking the mouse you can feel how laggy it feels.
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All I read in this topic is useless information that proves no practical experience. You don't care about NKO, ghosting etc. because you can simply plug-in the same kb twice, one for taps only the other for arrows which overrides any issues you may have. Then I read that he can't even fingerroll let alone 2 hand taps, so his physical skill is limited anyway which makes this discussion completely pointless, he will never experience limitations of his roping in the same magnitude I would feel them. I don't even know a single person in this community that still can perform the art of 2 hand taps, I think fudo was the last after Komo suicides his roping skills for BnG. While they barely have any real value they are the only way to test the responsiveness of a kb at maximum possible human speed.
Buy what you want, but I can not take you seriously.
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Ok Im with Komo the K740 rocks!!!
Best keyboard for my roping apart from my laptop keyboard, but I don't want to break the laptop so the K740 it is. ;D ;D ;D
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All I read in this topic is useless information that proves no practical experience. You don't care about NKO, ghosting etc. because you can simply plug-in the same kb twice, one for taps only the other for arrows which overrides any issues you may have. Then I read that he can't even fingerroll let alone 2 hand taps, so his physical skill is limited anyway which makes this discussion completely pointless, he will never experience limitations of his roping in the same magnitude I would feel them. I don't even know a single person in this community that still can perform the art of 2 hand taps, I think fudo was the last after Komo suicides his roping skills for BnG. While they barely have any real value they are the only way to test the responsiveness of a kb at maximum possible human speed.
Buy what you want, but I can not take you seriously.
There are only two people in the top tier of precision-oriented uncompromising consistent fast-tapping WA ropers: Anubis and Mablak. Everyone else who can compete with them in raw rope race completion speed has a long-rope style with more inconsistent bursty tapping when necessary. His roping style may look impossible, but Anubis has been verified by eyewitnesses (d4rk, I think? some cool German guy anyway) to actually tap how he does. In terms of evaluating keyboard consistency and quality specifically for WA roping, I'm certain Anubis has the right impressions. I trust him.
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All I read in this topic is useless information that proves no practical experience. You don't care about NKO, ghosting etc. because you can simply plug-in the same kb twice, one for taps only the other for arrows which overrides any issues you may have. Then I read that he can't even fingerroll let alone 2 hand taps, so his physical skill is limited anyway which makes this discussion completely pointless, he will never experience limitations of his roping in the same magnitude I would feel them. I don't even know a single person in this community that still can perform the art of 2 hand taps, I think fudo was the last after Komo suicides his roping skills for BnG. While they barely have any real value they are the only way to test the responsiveness of a kb at maximum possible human speed.
Buy what you want, but I can not take you seriously.
There are only two people in the top tier of precision-oriented uncompromising consistent fast-tapping WA ropers: Anubis and Mablak. Everyone else who can compete with them in raw rope race completion speed has a long-rope style with more inconsistent bursty tapping when necessary. His roping style may look impossible, but Anubis has been verified by eyewitnesses (d4rk, I think? some cool German guy anyway) to actually tap how he does. In terms of evaluating keyboard consistency and quality specifically for WA roping, I'm certain Anubis has the right impressions. I trust him.
100% Agree but you forgot Maciej aka Puciej :D
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Duckyshine its all what i need ! :D
(http://i9.aijaa.com/b/00132/14138094.jpg)
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Thinking to get a not so expensive Turkish layout keyboard, for WA and other games. How's those three?
Trust GXT 280
Zalman ZM-K400G
Logitech G103
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It's just Amazon's shitty pricing, I've seen some Logitech G9's for £300, even saw a regular keyboard for something like £25,000
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G105 is not really same as Trust here. Those three around 80-100 Lira here, G105 is 150-160. Looking for a good keyboard for WA and other games, that has Turkish layout model and not really above 100 lira. I use one key for roping.
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anyone knows if the cougar200k has any keylock? hows the feel of the keys?
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anyone knows if the cougar200k has any keylock? hows the feel of the keys?
No keylock and all who tried it have positive thoughts. It's probably best buy nowadays.
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Guys, DO NOT BUY THE COUGAR 200K!! I ordered two of them for Daina and me and this our story.
After paying 88 USD for both and around 60 more between the shipping and taxes, we had to go to Chile to collect our keyboards because you can't ship a shit to Argentina without getting robbed by the goverment.
At first glance the keyboards look really nice an are comfortable. Once you plug them in they will display the backlight which you can switch to breathing light and 8 or 7 different colours.
Daina ropes with the key ''|'' while I rope with the comma and colon. Both of us couldn't find any keylock whatsoever. You can rope without any problem and the arrows keys are pretty sensitive, I could move the aim sight notch by notch so this works perfect for bng, elite or hysteria.
The real problem is the following: the poor quality of the keyboard. One of them had its keys falling out after few strokes lol, imagine yourself merrily roping in the last turn of a wxw clanner just to discover you are missing your spacebar because it is not there anymore.
The other keyboard does not have its keys falling out but I guess it won't take much time until it does, but of course it has another problem which is a lot bigger. I was trying to write an url on my browser and I had some letters missing, I wrote those letters in the keyboard of my laptop and everything went back to normal, I was like wtf. So after pressing every single key of the Cougar in the notepad I could find out that the letters U, H and N don't work AT ALL.
This keyboard is a total waste of money and time, I have had 5 USD keyboards a lot better than this crap. Luckily, I still have with me my sturdy Tt Challenger keyboard with its stupid and useless fan. It has 0 keylock, you can put a paperball under the keys and will not dissapoint you after 1 day of use. Next time we go to Chile I'll get one for Daina and burn this Cougar scam.
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cmon, its called the cougar 200k, told me everything i needed to know about it lol
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200k stands for 200 keystrokes, breaks after reaching that. 8)
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i give u two ultimative keyboards ... the corsair k70 (bought patent for the german cherry switches wich are the BEST in the world or ever made) the keyboard has 16million colours u can
chose random or free same is the qpad mk90 but without cherry switches cause of corsairs expensive attack
so (http://www.corsair.com/~/media/corsair/landing-pages/2014/k70-rgb/k70-rgb_landingpage_1200-v3_01.jpg?la=en-us)
(http://www.hardwareluxx.de/images/stories/newsbilder/pmoosdorf/2015/QPAD-MK90-rainbow-lowres.jpg)
both keyboards have older versions wich are more cheap but lighted in 1 colour
test em give em back if no ok
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I would buy that just to read "Cougar" on my kb auhauhau it's not a waste of money man.
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Lalo, sounds like you didn't get screwed by a cougar ( :D ), but the company that was selling their stuff.
Did you and Daina experienced same problem on both kb's or?
Bunch of other wormers said it's a best buy shit out there. Kinda weird to see post like this after their reviews.
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I would only buy kbs with 32 million colors. 16 is not enough.
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Bunch of other wormers said it's a best buy shit out there.
who? ???
4-5 told me they're using it and it's great for that price. Googled around and found out not only wormers are satisfied with it.
Biscuits is enough tho. That guy isn't doing anything except buying kb's. If he says it's good - guess it should be.
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Bunch of other wormers said it's a best buy shit out there.
who? ???
4-5 told me they're using it and it's great for that price. Googled around and found out not only wormers are satisfied with it.
Biscuits is enough tho. That guy isn't doing anything except buying kb's. If he says it's good - guess it should be.
wouldnt trust biscuits he changes kbs like peji his moods xD
bet he used it once and liked it lol
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Friend just informed me that "Cougar" arrived. We unwrapped it, tested for keylock/ghosting.
I plugged external disc and tried W:A. Roping on it feels comfortable and precise.
On first glance, must say, really good buy. Finally convinced.
I'll write here if he experience any negativities next few days.
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Friend just informed me that "Cougar" arrived. We unwrapped it, tested for keylock/ghosting.
I plugged external disc and tried W:A. Roping on it feels comfortable and precise.
On first glance, must say, really good buy. Finally convinced.
I'll write here if he experience any negativities next few days.
Don't forget pls :-\
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All I ever need
(http://i67.tinypic.com/1109hki.jpg)
This is my laptop keyboard, Dell Inspirion 15
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Bah, rabbit.. those arrow keys+enter makes me feel claustrophobic :-X
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Took awhile to get used to. I do rope on 1, 2, 3, 5 on numpad as arrows to get rid of keylock. The low profile space is great to twitch on. I would love this keyboard with the low profile space but have high profile arrows.
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Just found what I need
(http://i66.tinypic.com/s6svap.jpg)
Think I might buy this and give it a go.
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oh yeah the half assed down and up arrow is very difficult to rope on, I tried that sometime xD the enter could be bigger, but I guess u remapped it?
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Yea I remap the laptop arrows to the numpad and use my pinky for enter.
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k m8 I cudn't find that enter! xD I need it to be huge =P
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has anyone tested the corsair k65?
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Friend just informed me that "Cougar" arrived. We unwrapped it, tested for keylock/ghosting.
I plugged external disc and tried W:A. Roping on it feels comfortable and precise.
On first glance, must say, really good buy. Finally convinced.
I'll write here if he experience any negativities next few days.
Don't forget pls :-\
Week later he's still amused by this kb quality for that price. No negativites.
I'm waiting for that croatian company gets more of them in stock, and will purchase one right away.
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has anyone tested the corsair k65?
I have a Corsair Vengeance K70 and it is fantastic. Cherry MX Red switches, and looks sexy in the dark due to the backlighting. The only negative about it is that I seem to be less able to "flagpole" on demand vs. before I got it... I played on a cheap piece of shit Dell kb for years before getting my Corsair. I dunno if it is the keyboard or just my rusty fingers, but flagpole-ing definitely feels like it is harder to do than it was before. (Like when I am in a rope race and want to extend upwards through a narrow climb.) I am fairly certain that it is me and not the kb though.
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has anyone tested the corsair k65?
I haven't tested it but just to inform: The K65 RGB is tenkeyless meaning it has no numpad. Whilst the K70 RGB is full size. There is also the K95 RGB which is full size plus dedicated macro keys. I believe the K70 RGB is available in red/brown/blue cherry mx switches but the K65 RGB is available in only red.
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has anyone tested the corsair k65?
I have a Corsair Vengeance K70 and it is fantastic. Cherry MX Red switches, and looks sexy in the dark due to the backlighting. The only negative about it is that I seem to be less able to "flagpole" on demand vs. before I got it... I played on a cheap piece of shit Dell kb for years before getting my Corsair. I dunno if it is the keyboard or just my rusty fingers, but flagpole-ing definitely feels like it is harder to do than it was before. (Like when I am in a rope race and want to extend upwards through a narrow climb.) I am fairly certain that it is me and not the kb though.
It is not you, you also gain different amount of power through pumps/climbs with different.
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Can anyone tell me which kb is better between logitech illuminated and steelseries apex raw? I've discussed it with senator (who has both of them) but think i'll need more opinions
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I would also require a second opinion if my main source was someone who randomly stacks on expensive pieces of hardware for no apparent reason.
Luckily his main source is not like that :) I had used Logitech Illuminated (recommended by many wormers) for a year and wasn't satisfied with its arrow key accuracy. Then TOMT recommended me Steelseries Apex (he had tested Logitech Illuminated too). Illuminated and Apex are similar type of KB (low profile, non-mechanical, different switches though) so I knew what I was looking for. I still wouldn't have bought Steelseries Apex if I hadn't found it for a fair price (47 USD shipped). Apex has definitely more precise arrow keys but fast tapping is slightly easier with Illuminated so I'm not sure which one to use. Maybe I should plug in both and use one for space and the other for arrow keys ;D
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Speaking of Steelseries, has anyone tried Steelseries 6gv2 with Cherry MX Red switches?
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Speaking of Steelseries, has anyone tried Steelseries 6gv2 with Cherry MX Red switches?
If your getting the steelseries 6gv2 im pretty sure black switches are the way to go.
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Speaking of Steelseries, has anyone tried Steelseries 6gv2 with Cherry MX Red switches?
If your getting the steelseries 6gv2 im pretty sure black switches are the way to go.
Afaik they are technically the same switch. The only real difference is that blacks have heavier springs, reds are much lighter.
So what are really pros and cons of each switch model in WA and also at other things? I don't have much experience with mechanical keyboards.
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Steelseries 6gv2 black switches > logitech illuminated k740.
I am now in a position to advise of that.
Happy to demonstrate if you are not convinced.
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Not feeling confident over a mechanical kb for worming... i've had got razer blackwidow and key profile were way too high, whilst i logitech illuminated are lower, was looking for steelseries apex cuz it's a membrane kb so i guess key profiles should be lower. Dunno about this steelseries 6gv2...
Therefore i'm undecided about these keyboards:
-Logitech Illuminated (the current one i'm using).
-Steelseries apex raw.
-Steelseries 6gv2 black switches.
-Cougar 200k (which got me curious for the cheap prize and the scissors keys).
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Steelseries 6gv2 black switches > logitech illuminated k740.
I am now in a position to advise of that.
Happy to demonstrate if you are not convinced.
Hi, have you tested both red and black switches for 6gv2? Just to make sure if one of them is clearly better.
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Steelseries 6gv2 black switches > logitech illuminated k740.
I am now in a position to advise of that.
Happy to demonstrate if you are not convinced.
Hi, have you tested both red and black switches for 6gv2? Just to make sure if one of them is clearly better.
also can you explain me what the f@#! are red and black switches? xDDD
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Steelseries 6gv2 black switches > logitech illuminated k740.
I am now in a position to advise of that.
Happy to demonstrate if you are not convinced.
Hi, have you tested both red and black switches for 6gv2? Just to make sure if one of them is clearly better.
also can you explain me what the f@#! are red and black switches? xDDD
Speaking of Steelseries, has anyone tried Steelseries 6gv2 with Cherry MX Red switches?
If your getting the steelseries 6gv2 im pretty sure black switches are the way to go.
Afaik they are technically the same switch. The only real difference is that blacks have heavier springs, reds are much lighter.
So what are really pros and cons of each switch model in WA and also at other things? I don't have much experience with mechanical keyboards.
http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/an-introduction-to-cherry-mx-mechanical-switches/
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Dunno how anyone, who used low profile keys for some time, can even consider to switch on mechanical kb..
Or mechanicals have wide range of choice nowadays?!?
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Dunno how anyone, who used low profile keys for some time, can even consider to switch on mechanical kb..
Or mechanicals have wide range of choice nowadays?!?
Infact i'm afraid to switch from logitech to a mechanical one, i feel like i may not like it and regret it
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Dunno how anyone, who used low profile keys for some time, can even consider to switch on mechanical kb..
because they're faster sigh
go watch any typing championship or similar and see if you spot a membrane
This is a game, not a typing championship, and in rope games taps are not the only things that matter.
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john stockton avatar :-*
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I gotta agree with Caye on this one. *ducks*
It really doesn't matter too much what keyboard you own or use. As long as it doesn't suffer from ghosting/keylock, you will be fine. I can see how those used to playing with "low profile" keyboards might need an adjustment period after buying a mechanical, but overall I feel as though they would prefer a mechanical over something with membrane switches for gaming and not. I actually like the travel distance on my spacebar, although some people might say that it's too far. (Mechanicals are also just more of a pleasure to use in general due to the feel and the sound. I feel like I can type faster on a mechanical because you feel every single keystroke..) Before I got my fancy schmancy gaming keyboard, I was using a $2 thrift store Dell PS2 keyboard with membranes for YEARS. I also had a super old PC and positively ancient monitor which only supported an 800x600 resolution, and yet I still managed to be very competitive. It's not really what you have so much as what you're used to. My Corsair kb is USB rather than PS2 and I feel no latency whatsoever.
I don't think that there's any definitive "best" keyboard for Worms because I am sure that if we looked at video footage of our hands and the hands of other players, we would see that we all do it a bit differently. Just pick a keyboard and stick with it. Eventually your muscle memory is going to adapt.
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You wanna rope? here's the big news: any of those keyboards is going to allow you to rope to your full potential. There is no secret to the game nor hardware that makes you magically better. Now, if you want to f@#! the rope, scroll the shit and go nuts get a mechanical. But if you have never used one don't bother, stick to whatever looks good on your table like Komo did.
I don't agree here. Your roping depends on you, ofc, but hardware mostly makes difference. Roping from a cheap logitech with an illuminated one has been an important upgrade to my worms carreer. I've had previously a razer blackwidow, but i didn't like it for WA, and it's mechanical, how comes i didn't like it? Not everyone sticks to your idea, and you don't have to be rude to say it that way. I've never seen you in ag roping nor seen any replays of you, may i know who the f@#! gives you the right to write like that
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IAM THE BEST
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Steelseries 6gv2 black switches > logitech illuminated k740.
I am now in a position to advise of that.
Happy to demonstrate if you are not convinced.
I've seen some reviews, and looks cool but i don't know about black switches,would try a red one but i can't find it here in Italy...
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I've had previously a razer blackwidow and it's mechanical
how comes i didn't like it?
I once bought an american pizza, it was pizza, how come I didn't like it?
scroll the shit and go nuts get a mechanical
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john stockton avatar :-*
I knew you'll be first to notice! :-*
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I didn't buy razer only for WA, i used to play LoL too years ago, and i was fine with it, wasn't good enough tho for wa
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Anubis is by far the best roper in this thread
Maybe when it comes to warming. When it comes to actual ropers and racing, no.
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I'm just disagreeing with you. Anubis was a hell of a warmer roper back in the day, but best overall roper? Nah.
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Warmer ≠ Overall roper player (WxW, Roper, TTRR)
That's what he meant i guess. How about you btw, have you ever competed?
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he has, under another name ofc
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Anubis is by far the best roper in this thread
if you were really disagreeing, you'd actually need a point or some sort of intelligent counter-argument, a name would suffice really, you're not doing any of that just adding to the noise ::)
I made a clear point about how this thread should be used most efficiently, that is, listening to those that actually know what they're talking about, and highlighted those that posted in this thread. You forgot to read the last 3 words of a 9 word message, twice, and are making me go back and forth explaining you that you can't just take words out of context fabricate imaginary arguments in your head and come here pretend you're having a discussion ;D
plus, why should we trust the dude that never played competitively, or rather, never competed?
I never bothered making an 'argument' as I was sharing an opinion and didn't feel the need to qualify what I said. Anubis isn't the best overall roper in this thread. I'll keep my opinions on who is best to myself. You misinterpreted what I typed. I didn't fail to read those 3 words. You're just assuming stuff and trying to make an argument where there isn't one.
Who are you, btw? You're talking about me as though I'm some random newcomer, yet you're either on here as an alias, or you're just some random noob. I sure as heck have never seen your name on WormNET. I've started playing W:A on launch day, bud.
As far as never competing, that isn't true. I played a lot of ranked/competitive matches (both solo and clanner) back in the day. I was playing ranked matches well before TUS existed.
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Husk, are you pissed off at me because I whooped your ass in that roper the other day? FFS man all you do is just follow me around on the boards and say snarky shit. Get a grip.
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Husk, are you pissed off at me because I whooped your ass in that roper the other day? FFS man all you do is just follow me around on the boards and say snarky shit. Get a grip.
dude I wasn't talking about u
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I'm not trying to fool anyone. Anyone who matters knows me. Why would I make up stuff... so I can impress some alias on a forum I barely give a crap about? (No offense, people...)
Just learned how to rope? That's hilarious. I'm inactive as hell and can still obliterate 95% of wormnet. Not bragging, just simple fact.
I also never defended membranes over mechanical... once again, you misinterpreted what I said. Is English not your native language? You sure seem to struggle with it, you insignificant nobody.
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I'm inactive as hell and can still obliterate 95% of wormnet. Not bragging, just simple fact.
Nah skunk3. You're a good roper, but a bit better at bragging than actual roping.
If you said number like 50 I wouldn't interfer , but 95.. That's a bit LOL-ish ;)
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I'm inactive as hell and can still obliterate 95% of wormnet. Not bragging, just simple fact.
Nah skunk3. You're a good roper, but a bit better at bragging than actual roping.
If you said number like 50 I wouldn't interfer , but 95.. That's a bit LOL-ish ;)
I'd say it's pretty accurate based upon all of the games I've played since I've been back. I've played a LOT of ropers, wxw, big rr, etc... I am too lazy to check replay files and whatnot but I'm sure my win rate is over 90%, and I'm not talking about playing random noobs. Devilage did give me a painful loss in a 2vs2 roper and SiD raped me in Big RR (he was my primary rival before I went inactive), but overall I've been kicking butt. I dunno why I am constantly underestimated even though I beat other vets all of the time and I've been around forever. I also dunno why people think that if I don't have a TUS record to back myself up, I'm just talking shit when I have proven myself over the years on many occasions to be one of the best... *shrug*
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Btw, we all know Caye is Ropa. It's blatantly obvious.
(btw ropa in case you forgot, I was always a better roper than you)
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I'm inactive as hell and can still obliterate 95% of wormnet. Not bragging, just simple fact.
Nah skunk3. You're a good roper, but a bit better at bragging than actual roping.
If you said number like 50 I wouldn't interfer , but 95.. That's a bit LOL-ish ;)
I'd say it's pretty accurate based upon all of the games I've played since I've been back. I've played a LOT of ropers, wxw, big rr, etc... I am too lazy to check replay files and whatnot but I'm sure my win rate is over 90%, and I'm not talking about playing random noobs. Devilage did give me a painful loss in a 2vs2 roper and SiD raped me in Big RR (he was my primary rival before I went inactive), but overall I've been kicking butt. I dunno why I am constantly underestimated even though I beat other vets all of the time and I've been around forever. I also dunno why people think that if I don't have a TUS record to back myself up, I'm just talking shit when I have proven myself over the years on many occasions to the best of the best... *shrug*
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/58/60/d65860722e96e26d300f6968078fb9a7.jpg)
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skunk3 - I think you are a good strong Roper however feel like you big yourself up a bit too much, you're good, but destroy 90% of modern Ropers? No way man cmon lol...
You could beat bout 50% of WA players easily, about 45% you have the skill to win but in no way would it be a walk in the park, you would have to make sure you don't make many mistakes, and there is about 5% which imo you wouldn't beat on a good day(of course you could still beat them tho in some situations).
Now, personally I don't like ropa much these days, he's arrogant and obnoxious, looks down on people weaker/less privileged than him, but at the end of the day facts are facts and he's one of the most versatile and stronger Ropers WA has ever seen, he was able to alias most players without a problem, that takes talent lol.
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I'm inactive as hell and can still obliterate 95% of wormnet. Not bragging, just simple fact.
Nah skunk3. You're a good roper, but a bit better at bragging than actual roping.
If you said number like 50 I wouldn't interfer , but 95.. That's a bit LOL-ish ;)
I'd say it's pretty accurate based upon all of the games I've played since I've been back. I've played a LOT of ropers, wxw, big rr, etc... I am too lazy to check replay files and whatnot but I'm sure my win rate is over 90%, and I'm not talking about playing random noobs. Devilage did give me a painful loss in a 2vs2 roper and SiD raped me in Big RR (he was my primary rival before I went inactive), but overall I've been kicking butt. I dunno why I am constantly underestimated even though I beat other vets all of the time and I've been around forever. I also dunno why people think that if I don't have a TUS record to back myself up, I'm just talking shit when I have proven myself over the years on many occasions to the best of the best... *shrug*
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/58/60/d65860722e96e26d300f6968078fb9a7.jpg)
Lmao the irony on this photo. xd
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skunk3 - I think you are a good strong Roper however feel like you big yourself up a bit too much, you're good, but destroy 90% of modern Ropers? No way man cmon lol...
You could beat bout 50% of WA players easily, about 45% you have the skill to win but in no way would it be a walk in the park, you would have to make sure you don't make many mistakes, and there is about 5% which imo you wouldn't beat on a good day(of course you could still beat them tho in some situations).
Now, personally I don't like ropa much these days, he's arrogant and obnoxious, looks down on people weaker/less privileged than him, but at the end of the day facts are facts and he's one of the most versatile and stronger Ropers WA has ever seen, he was able to alias most players without a problem, that takes talent lol.
Being good at aliasing doesn't mean good as in actually winning games. Ropa at his best was still inferior to me, and that's just the facts. I'm not saying I'd win every single game but overall I was definitely the better roper. Years ago we played quite a bit and although Ropa was pretty good, I was simply better. He doesn't suck by any means. I think that my claim still stands though, especially if I am sober and actually giving a crap that day. I've been on WormNET all night waiting for someone to challenge me so I could back up my words, and not a single person has stepped up. In that time I've won an elite, a hysteria, a wxw, lost one wxw due to 2 of my worms getting killed on the first turn due to plops beyond my control, won an intermediate, and won 2-3 big rr's. Still waiting for some serious competition.
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Ropa isn't "good" at aliasing, he's known as the best at aliasing some of the best Ropers of all time.
"Ropa at his best was still inferior to me" - Do you have any evidence of this? Do you have any record of beating him over and over again? No, because it didn't happen lol.
I don't care about how good you are now, i've seen you rope in your prime and i've seen Ropa rope in his prime and my moneys on him ;)
Also, when oldschoolers get into conversations about the greatest Ropers of all time, both Warmer/Pro Roper, Ropa gets mentioned a lot, i've never seen anyone recall you as a roping legend...
Now, I think you're alright skunk3, so don't be taking this as a personal attack towards you, you said some stuff I think is crazy talk and wanted to give my side of the story.
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skunk3 - I think you are a good strong Roper however feel like you big yourself up a bit too much, you're good, but destroy 90% of modern Ropers? No way man cmon lol...
You could beat bout 50% of WA players easily, about 45% you have the skill to win but in no way would it be a walk in the park, you would have to make sure you don't make many mistakes, and there is about 5% which imo you wouldn't beat on a good day(of course you could still beat them tho in some situations).
Now, personally I don't like ropa much these days, he's arrogant and obnoxious, looks down on people weaker/less privileged than him, but at the end of the day facts are facts and he's one of the most versatile and stronger Ropers WA has ever seen, he was able to alias most players without a problem, that takes talent lol.
Being good at aliasing doesn't mean good as in actually winning games. Ropa at his best was still inferior to me, and that's just the facts. I'm not saying I'd win every single game but overall I was definitely the better roper. Years ago we played quite a bit and although Ropa was pretty good, I was simply better. He doesn't suck by any means. I think that my claim still stands though, especially if I am sober and actually giving a crap that day. I've been on WormNET all night waiting for someone to challenge me so I could back up my words, and not a single person has stepped up. In that time I've won an elite, a hysteria, a wxw, lost one wxw due to 2 of my worms getting killed on the first turn due to plops beyond my control, won an intermediate, and won 2-3 big rr's. Still waiting for some serious competition.
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Still waiting for some serious competition.
Cut the crap skunk3. If you wanted a serious competition you would now ask 10-15 good tus ropers to play a game against you. And you know they're just going to make you butthurt, so that's why you've been avoiding those league games.
I can't stand when ppl talk about themselves in superlatives, especially when it's not deserved.
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My penis is bigger than yours, my dad is stronger than yours, the ball is mine and I decide who plays, my car is faster than yours, I am better than you....ngue ngue ngue
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Still waiting for some serious competition.
aehaehahehae
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Also, when oldschoolers get into conversations about the greatest Ropers of all time, both Warmer/Pro Roper, Ropa gets mentioned a lot, i've never seen anyone recall you as a roping legend...
xD
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Ropa isn't "good" at aliasing, he's known as the best at aliasing some of the best Ropers of all time.
"Ropa at his best was still inferior to me" - Do you have any evidence of this? Do you have any record of beating him over and over again? No, because it didn't happen lol.
I don't care about how good you are now, i've seen you rope in your prime and i've seen Ropa rope in his prime and my moneys on him ;)
Also, when oldschoolers get into conversations about the greatest Ropers of all time, both Warmer/Pro Roper, Ropa gets mentioned a lot, i've never seen anyone recall you as a roping legend...
Now, I think you're alright skunk3, so don't be taking this as a personal attack towards you, you said some stuff I think is crazy talk and wanted to give my side of the story.
I know this because we've been in the same clan before on one or two occasions and played countless games vs. each other. Like I said before, all you guys care about is a TUS record to back up your statements, as though games that aren't for a ranking don't count, which is garbage. What was the last clan we were both in.. HEX, maybe? I can't remember as it's been several years. As I said, Ropa wasn't bad by any means but I always had an edge on him. Period, bottom line. The reason why you're siding with Ropa is because he has always been more active on this site, whereas I opted to completely ignore TUS for quite some time. In fact, the ONLY reason why I initially started posting here was to talk about W.M.D.. These days people act like if you don't have a 'presence' here and a record to point to, your claims are null and void, and it simply doesn't work that way.
I would likely not get mentioned in a "greatest ropers" conversation as my rope style is boring to watch. I don't do unnecessary pumps and triple kicks and shit like that. I used to have people literally criticize me every day about the way I roped because I strove for efficiency and consistency over raw speed and flashiness... and it paid off. I win. A lot. I'm not saying that I'm the best or anything idiotic like that. All I'm saying is that:
A: there aren't a whole lot of W:A players who can consistently beat me in rope-based schemes, at least based upon the competition I've had since I've been back (and tbh I'm only playing to roughly 80-85% of my potential right now)
B: I was/am(?) a better roper than Ropa, but of course I cannot empirically prove that claim, so people are just going to be dismissive about it, which is fine
I do take this as a personal attack on me. You're extremely biased in this situation. Honestly, the flak is really disappointing. For all of the years I've spent playing this game and for all of the times I've destroyed 'legends,' I still get no respect whatsoever, like I'm some random noob talking ungrounded shit. Sad, really. Even when I was ultra-active, I still got no respect.
I'm not even mad... I'm disappointed.
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You're just a mediocre player, and ppl see you like that. Why are you so delusional about your skill and desperate to get some respect from the community?
Respect for what exactly?
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Who is Skunk?
Btw, there is another person who claims to be THE BEST!!!!!! and this person is... ASBEST MISHA.
Period.
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skunk? i only recognize this:
(http://b3.img.mobypicture.com/e77824df260dd617df5dc1ab2057dc60_view.jpg)
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Who is Skunk?
(https://doowansnewsandevents.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/skunk2.jpg)
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Who is Skunk?
(http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1248838/278601722/stock-vector-cute-skunk-cartoon-presenting-278601722.jpg)
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how many playoff games have you been in, singles or clanners and how many have you won since 1999?
If we include WWP, the answer is still 0.
You are using the fallacious reasoning that involvement in ranked cups/leagues makes one iota of difference when it comes to personal skill. If your argument is "where's your record," that's no argument at all.
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You're just a mediocre player, and ppl see you like that. Why are you so delusional about your skill and desperate to get some respect from the community?
Respect for what exactly?
How would you know? The answer is quite simply that you do not. You're just making unsubstantiated claims. When was the last time you even played me?
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Anyway this has gone far off-topic and I do not want to derail any further. Anyone who wants to test me is more than welcome to challenge me at any time.
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The reason why you're siding with Ropa is because he has always been more active on this site, whereas I opted to completely ignore TUS for quite some time.
What? Did you even read what I wrote? I don't even like Ropa, I like you... How the hell can that be biased supporting the person I don't like?
I do take this as a personal attack on me. You're extremely biased in this situation.
*sigh*
I'm not even mad... I'm disappointed.
You clearly are mad, not the fun kind, the deranged kind :D ;)
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Psh Caye, I spend 50 Bucks on 10 IBM Rapid Access 2 ps/2 kbs on ebay 6 years ago to last me a lifetime for W:A. Let them buy overpriced vanity items for roping. The LEDs probably emit an aura to tap faster. :D
Fun fact:
My "Gamer" kb is nowhere near as responsive as the good old IBM kbs from 2000. I only use it for typing because it has a nice feel to it.
I have a hard time believing that. The keyboard probably has ghosting out its ass. You probably bought the keyboard cause you're a "Ps/2" fanboy which has no impact over a USB connection these days. lol. There are plenty of gaming keyboards that have USB to Ps/2 adapters as well. The reason it feels more responsive for you is most likely cause you like rubber dome keys, lol. Has nothing else to do with it.
Very hard time believing that a mechanical keyboard in this modern day is less responsive than a product from 1999. And the keyboard price is only like $40 on Amazon btw.
Also their are plenty of good keyboards on the market that are priced at about 80-100 with no LED backlighting but you pay high for well... quality. And Cherry switches
no way biscuits, the rapid access is a beast, it never ghosts, weighs about 7 pounds, and has a springloaded spacebar. this keyboard could survive a nuclear blast what more could you want?
While looking for it i realized i never had a rapid access, i had this thing:
(http://www.dansdata.com/images/ibmboard/ibmboard_360.jpg)
So i dunno about rapid access, but this one ^ is amazing
OMG MY KEYBOARD!!!
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Hey guys, I was in the middle of a tus game and my up arrow got broken and flew across the room :-X. So, I need a new KB again lol. I don't blame the keyboard this time, but me, I gave it some punchs this season :D.
Any word about Razor Cynosa? Found it brand new for a cheap prize and includes a mouse too.
Or any other keyboard for a reasonable prize? I don't want to spend more than 100$ for a kb.
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Hey guys, I was in the middle of a tus game and my up arrow got broken and flew across the room :-X. So, I need a new KB again lol. I don't blame the keyboard this time, but me, I gave it some punchs this season :D.
Any word about Razor Cynosa? Found it brand new for a cheap prize and includes a mouse too.
Or any other keyboard for a reasonable prize? I don't want to spend more than 100$ for a kb.
Most people will recommend against razor as the tend to break and stuff up. Do you like high profile keys or low profile?
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http://imgur.com/a/aeBE9
my battlestation and my Ozone Strike Battle, a red switch mechanical keyboard, is very smooth for roping.
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Got me a corsair k70. Fits well on the laptop :)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2aj1fv6.jpg)
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Nice! I bought a K70 with red switches in January, mine has different looking keys :o Looks like they changed it since then
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Nice! I bought a K70 with red switches in January, mine has different looking keys :o Looks like they changed it since then
i have same as barman (K70, red switches) and my keys look different as well, i wonder why. also mine has blue LED's since they were 10$ cheaper on amazon.
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This one says it has cherry MX speed switches ment to be new :) - https://www.pccasegear.com/products/35425/corsair-gaming-k70-rapidfire-mech-keyboard-cherry-mx-speed
Great kb but like all mech soo loud. Think I'll be sticking to the laptops nice quiet kb unless I sound proof my house...
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Got me a corsair k70. Fits well on the laptop :)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2aj1fv6.jpg)
That's my kb! :)
I think that it feels alright on the whole, but I have noticed that it is not entirely free of keylock. I don't remember exactly how I've activated it, but it's happened before. Also, the up/down arrow action feels a bit weird compared to my old kb. Try flagpoling up narrow climbs in ttrr and you'll see what I mean. It's definitely a joy to type with but TBH I actually prefer my old, non-mechanical, $2 thrift store Dell kb that I used to play with for years. Unfortunately, it's totally wrecked after so many years of abuse.
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do you guys know this kb?
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/d/B00T1P8HTG/ref=mp_s_a_1_77?qid=1465241493&sr=8-77&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=red+switches&dpPl=1&dpID=41Cnh1lReaL&ref=plSrch
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That looks good, ANO but it is about the same price as the Steelseries 6gv2
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That looks good, ANO but it is about the same price as the Steelseries 6gv2
I'm getting it tomorrow :)))))
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I heard this one is pretty good: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnYXsY/cooler-master-keyboard-sgk4011gkcr1us
As far as I know Masta aka Nonentity using tenkeyless version of that model.
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I just can't get over the noise these mechanical kb's put out. :-X
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but that has res switches.. the steelseries has black ones... even though lolita seems to be fragile for my country style... steelseries with red swtitches are too expensive .. are blck se good for roping?
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I just can't get over the noise these mechanical kb's put out. :-X
my mx reds are quiet, did you get browns or blue? if so thats your problem right there.
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(http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/107/46a87r.jpg) (http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/4198/YqeYQo.jpg)
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but that has res switches.. the steelseries has black ones... even though lolita seems to be fragile for my country style... steelseries with red swtitches are too expensive .. are blck se good for roping?
You can find the 6gv2 in red and black switches for the same price in Chile. I got the black switch and Daina is buying the red. I feel the black switch kinda stiff , not easy to get used to.
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I just can't get over the noise these mechanical kb's put out. :-X
my mx reds are quiet, did you get browns or blue? if so thats your problem right there.
Mine says cherry mx speed, says they are new. I think ill just stick with my laptop kb nice and quiet :)
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I just can't get over the noise these mechanical kb's put out. :-X
Because you're not used to it yet ;)
After a while, you'll stop pressing the keys all the way to the bottom.
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Hmmm yea I should prob stick with it, but I think ill wait until I get a desk in the spare room.
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but that has res switches.. the steelseries has black ones... even though lolita seems to be fragile for my country style... steelseries with red swtitches are too expensive .. are blck se good for roping?
You can find the 6gv2 in red and black switches for the same price in Chile. I got the black switch and Daina is buying the red. I feel the black switch kinda stiff , not easy to get used to.
uuu, thx
here they cost a lot the red ones... I will try to check on more websites then... maybe I find something.
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I have found the Corsair k65 Red Switches at a good price. Someone has this?
https://www.amazon.fr/Corsair-CH-9000040-FR-Performance-r%C3%A9tro%C3%A9clairage-m%C3%A9canique/dp/B00EE3KHK2/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1465288852&sr=1-1-fkmr1&keywords=corsair+red+switches
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It's the same as the K70 minus the numpad. Also differently colored (the K70 has an all black aluminium finish).
Anyway, much recommended. Premium feel and easy to clean. I'm not planning to replace my keyboard in less than 10 years ;)
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It's the same as the K70 minus the numpad. Also differently colored (the K70 has an all black aluminium finish).
Anyway, much recommended. Premium feel and easy to clean. I'm not planning to replace my keyboard in less than 10 years ;)
thank you Barman, it sounds good!
I didn't think about the numpad, I use it only for worms ahaha... mmm, it might be annoying to use the chat
ah no everything I need is there... mm I think I am gonna take it.
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Cougar200k arrived last week. Just tested it in few funner rr's.
It's great for typing and have some great additions. For example, by pressing "FN+Q" you can change frequency of keyboard. 1x, 2x.. (test it by typing long text and erase it with backspace.. it will do it by different speed. It's possible that could be helpful ingame for faster response too)
But tbh, not very satisfied with cursor keys. Even tho it's great to be able to rope without any kind of keylock or other known bug, cursors are important for every rope scheme and they just feel weird on this product. Tried friend's 200k and it didn't seemed like that at all. Now i see why lalo and daina weren't satisfied.
Gonna give it few more tries, just wanted to write first impressions.
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Ahh... in the end I took it!
Corsair k65 vengeance.
I found it on Amazon, for 60 Euros... it was used, but in very good cond. I only found 2 red dick hair...
It is in alluminium, it's sexy.
It's very responsive, it's lovely. The only problem is that is noisy, I basically cannot use the spacebar if my GF or my dog are too close uahuah it looks like a terrorist attack if I tap with that. But spaces work well too.
My previous KB was a g11, with space modded with elastic and other spaces modded with paper and replaced with smaller keys. It was good, I thought it was very good, but this is definitely another level.
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Ahh... in the end I took it!
Corsair k65 vengeance.
I found it on Amazon, for 60 Euros... it was used, but in very good cond. I only found 2 red dick hair...
It is in alluminium, it's sexy.
It's very responsive, it's lovely. The only problem is that is noisy, I basically cannot use the spacebar if my GF or my dog are too close uahuah it looks like a terrorist attack if I tap with that. But spaces work well too.
My previous KB was a g11, with space modded with elastic and other spaces modded with paper and replaced with smaller keys. It was good, I thought it was very good, but this is definitely another level.
Buy the blue o-rings, they make it nice and quiet like a normal kb. I've done it for mine I have steel series 6gvt.
You buy them here http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-accessories/cherry-mx-rubber-o-ring-switch-dampeners-125pcs.html
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I have tried them, the sound doesn't change too much and I didn't like the feeing :(
did you try to record the sound and compare them?
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Well I put them on every key. It wasn't that much difference but still a lot better. I find it as loud as the membrane I used to use now. As for the feel you need to press down hard and hold all keys to get them in place. I was used to it after a day or so
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Why do you buy audible mechanical kbs but don't like the sound of it?
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I like the feel not the sound. Now I like the feel and the sound.
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Why do you buy audible mechanical kbs but don't like the sound of it?
I love the sound! But I can't use the spacebar in the evening as I don't live alone... I should move everything into my music room, it's underground auhuaha nobody would hear me... but I am lazy...
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I like the feel not the sound. Now I like the feel and the sound.
There are actually switches that are tactile but not audible. :P
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I like the feel not the sound. Now I like the feel and the sound.
There are actually switches that are tactile but not audible. :P
Ah well I'm happy with it anyway :)
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Yeeeeeeeeee! Got my Cougar 200Kb today. No more complaining about 2-key-rollover – from now on it's all 100% my fail (if i fail…)
So far i like it – the feel is even a bit too much in the mechanical direction (ye i know not realy, just don't know how to describe it…) for me - i like a latop keyboard feel ^^
Only downside so far: I can't map the light-Key to anything else and I don't need it for light...
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OK… it did last 3.5 month. Spacebar damaged – and I'm not that of a heavy player…
So I can't recommend Cougar200K at all.
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OK… it did last 3.5 month. Spacebar damaged – and I'm not that of a heavy player…
So I can't recommend Cougar200K at all.
Yeah. Has it's flaws for sure. Still using one, but wouldn't recommend it anymore for price above 15-20€.
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Think I'm going for that Logitech everyone recommends…
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For ttrr you want Steelseries 6gv2
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For ttrr you want Steelseries 6gv2
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For ttrr you want Steelseries 6gv2
Best kb ive ever bought
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I can recommend some mechanical keyboards.
Cherry MX Black switches are probably the best for roping, though typing for extended periods may become fatiguing depending on the way you type.
Leopold make nice keyboards. They have plenty of layouts to choose from and come with PBT keycaps (which are higher quality than your standard ABS keycaps). Here is an example: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1402
More layouts here: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=search_list&s[match]=all&s[search]=PBT+Black+Cherry+MX&s[title]=Y&s[cid]=1&s[subcats]=Y&s[mid]=50
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@Jengu
remove the "url" tags so your 2nd link displays properly
you've over-thought it a bit
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The BBCode parser needs updating. ;)
I don't think I overthought anything as someone who likes keyboards.
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haha I take my words back
at least it's copypastable now
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got a £5 quid one keyboards a keyboard
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Anyone used this keyboard before?
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/34894/cooler-master-masterkeys-pro-l-rgb-mech-keyboard-cherry-red
My current keyboard doesnt have lights hard to see unless i have lights on. Asking about general gaming use not just worms
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Anyone used this keyboard before?https://www.pccasegear.com/products/34894/cooler-master-masterkeys-pro-l-rgb-mech-keyboard-cherry-red
My current keyboard doesnt have lights hard to see unless i have lights on. Asking about general gaming use not just worms
Most mechanical keyboards are functionally identical. The main differences are build quality, keycap quality, and switch type. I would argue all backlit keyboards come with poor quality keycaps but most people haven't experienced anything different.
If you are asking about Cherry MX Red switches, then yes, they are suitable for gaming. They will likely feel noticeably lighter than the MX Black switches you are used to. I have read that RGB switches can feel different to their non-RGB counterparts. With that in mind and assuming you want a full-size keyboard, this one should suit your needs: http://www.coolermaster.com/peripheral/keyboards/masterkeys-pro-l-white/
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cooler-Master-MasterKeys-Pro-L-Series-White-LED-Mechanical-Wired-Keyboard-TS-/262939237628
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Hahahah skunk being really delusional in this thread :DDD
Anyways, has anyone good rapper tried Steelseries 6gv2 with red switches yet? Even better if one could compare how it feels compared to black switches. I suppose red's are better once you get used to it.
Currently I'm using Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with blue switches and it's definately not made for roping.
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Hahahah skunk being really delusional in this thread :DDD
Anyways, has anyone good rapper tried Steelseries 6gv2 with red switches yet? Even better if one could compare how it feels compared to black switches. I suppose red's are better once you get used to it.
Currently I'm using Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with blue switches and it's definately not made for roping.
The keyboard itself doesn't make much of a difference. MX Red switches are approximately equal to MX Black switches when it comes to roping. Use what you think you would prefer.
I answered this question in more detail in one of your threads: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/gaming-central/steelseries-6gv2-black-or-red-switches-30601/msg257552/#msg257552
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Thanks for the thread, I thought I asked this question earlier but then I just thought I was too baked and remember wrong. :D
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Yea i like my black switches though ive never used red before. Keen to give them a go.
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What about brown switches?
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What about brown switches?
i like browns, they are a more clicky red switch, seems good for roping, i didnt like the keyboard that had them though so i dont use them anymore
to me, cherry reds are the best for roping
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Hahahah skunk being really delusional in this thread :DDD
Anyways, has anyone good rapper tried Steelseries 6gv2 with red switches yet? Even better if one could compare how it feels compared to black switches. I suppose red's are better once you get used to it.
Currently I'm using Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with blue switches and it's definately not made for roping.
If I remember correctly, lalo used both black switch and red switch version of 6gv2.
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My Apex
(http://)
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Cant see it.
Is it Apex Raw (300) or ApexM800?
How does it feel to ur old kb (which one was it).
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Oh yea, I cant see pic either TOMT ;)
Btw ... Did you buy it to play defaults? You dont need a new KB to play rope ;D
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I have apex raw and its worst kb ever :S
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I'm showing off my OLD Apex 350 8)
Yeah I lost the link now too...
It took me almost half a year to get used to it, but I like it!
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Yy i broke my cougar k120. Now i bought this one: http://www.roccat.org/fi-FI/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/Ryos-Series/Ryos-MK/
Was cheap only 65€
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http://blog.wooting.nl/flaretech-the-optical-keyboard-switch/
This might be the future for roping, I might get one, it sounds very interesting. Can't get any faster than light, so, this tech right there will unleash 100% performance. Pretty pricey though, 160. :x
Though as of right now it's limited to USB which means 1ms minimum refresh rate, can't get lower than that on USB. Gotta wait for Ps/2 version. :)
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Asus Strix Tactic Pro. (cherry mx brown switches)
I see all over the web price is between 120-150$ or keyboard is out of stock.
One of the stores here having some kind of a sale. It's ~70$.
https://fenix.hr/tipkovnica-asus-strix-tactic-pro-us-hr-znakovi
Not in the mood to spend money for pc parts atm, but this sounds like really good offer.
Anyone tried it?
Using cougar k200 atm, not really satisfied. Probably will smash it in the wall after few more fails in rr due to Unresponsiveness of keys.
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Cougar keyboards are the worst experience I have had in my gaming life, I shared it here and you guys still keep wasting your money on that pile of crap, wtf!
As every decent roper has said already here, you can never go wrong with either mx black or red. Both mechanisms are linear which make them fast and very responsive for taps. On the other hand brown/blue switches offer resistance when you press the keys, making it nice for typing but impossible for roping.
Let me insist. Get a red switch steelseries.
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Cougar keyboards are the worst experience I have had in my gaming life, I shared it here and you guys still keep wasting your money on that pile of crap, wtf!
You actually bought it cause bunch of us were speculating about 200k in this very thread haha :)
But yeah, after few months of using it - gotta say I've expected lot more of this kb.
Space key is really shit!
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Space key is really shit!
+1
mine broke after 3 month – and I'm not a very heavy player…
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Okay, so here is some shit of my desktop, kbs and other stuff
This is razer tarantula (propably best kb for roping, f@#! mechanical shits and other useless kbs) - this is how I "prepaired" her only for roping games (I use 2 kbs, one just for worms, and another one for working, chroming, writing etc..) This kb has nice driver where u can change any key only for this kb so another one stay "normal"..
(https://preview.ibb.co/fD5B2w/DSC_0516.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eoDaUb)
Monitor AOC G22 + Logitech speakers 5+1
(https://image.ibb.co/j358FG/DSC_0517.jpg)
Another kb for normal stuff and other games - Logitech g105 - very comfortable + blue lights, together with mouse razer deathadder and razer tarantula kbs looking great
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Mouse razer deathadder
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View on razer taranula
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Generall view on desktop
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Look from my window this morning, winter is coming.. wait, winter is here
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Parking after 10 beers?
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I would be too embarrassed to share those photos. :D
It makes me appreciate my own setup more. At least you have a decent view.
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Here is the perfected keyboard.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/perfected-keyboard-best-layout-infrared-switch#/
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Here is the perfected keyboard.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/perfected-keyboard-best-layout-infrared-switch#/
Oh, that has a split spacebar?
This is the wet dream of worms players, finally a keyboard that caters to maciej fanboys and the finger roll pros!
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Yeah, and infrared switches instead of metal to metal contacts which makes it faster than any other KB solution. Unfortunately it comes out 10 years too late or I would buy one. No point anymore for a dead game now. :D
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Infrared switches sounds like something that would not last long as metal to metal..
And it would be impossible to change when broke.
Am I right?
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I guess infrared means metal contacts are replaced with infrared light which gets interrupted by the plastic button. If it is, it will last forever. Just remember mouse buttons and optic sensors - which lasts longer?
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The keyboard is fully modular anyway, if you scroll down you can see that you can replace the switches very easily if one broke.
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IF it ever broke :D
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If someone still wants to buy a keyboard for WA, I can recommend Cougar 300K. No joke. :) https://cougargaming.com/products/keyboards/300k/
You can get it from Caseking.de (https://www.caseking.de/cougar-300k-gaming-tastatur-de-layout-gata-695.html) for 34,90 euros.
Taps are as good as with Logitech K740 but this keyboard has better arrow key control. No input lag and better anti-ghosting. I'm using Q as space. Haven't really tested the space bar but it's a bit loud. Personally I like this KB more than a mechanical KB because I can do double taps easier. With mechanical KB fast taps fail sometimes. I have Steelseries 6Gv2 and Logitech K740 but Cougar 300K is my choice for now.
The only downside is that when you enable game mode (1000hz polling rate and enhanced anti-ghosting), F keys become macro keys and you need to press FN + F key. You can just use standard mode but there's also a workaround for game mode. Enable Num lock and then F1-F8 are the same as Numpad's 1-8 and you can remap them to F1-F8. You can't still use F9-F12 so this workaround is only for rope games. You can enable/disable game mode by 1 click. Another issue may be durability.
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Taps are as good as with Logitech K740 but this keyboard has better arrow key control.
Could you back that up with some evidence please?
I don't doubt the taps are as good, many keyboards are, but the arrow control on the logitech k740 is the best i've ever used personally.
Is that based on personal experience, or are there technical statistics stating this or something?
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Just my personal experience. I can tap pretty much the same way as with K740 whereas with 6Gv2 I struggle sometimes.
Didn't you say you use different keyboard for default schemes because K740's arrow keys are too sensitive?
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If someone still wants to buy a keyboard for WA, I can recommend Cougar 300K. No joke. :) https://cougargaming.com/products/keyboards/300k/
> *sees the product page*
> "ESC key becomes MR key"
no thx
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how about soldering yourself a keyboard?
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Just my personal experience. I can tap pretty much the same way as with K740 whereas with 6Gv2 I struggle sometimes.
Didn't you say you use different keyboard for default schemes because K740's arrow keys are too sensitive?
Oh right, by arrow control I thought you meant it has a quicker reaction time for roping.
Yes, I use a different keyboard for default schemes because I need a slower reaction time on arrows for changing the aim by 1 notch when needed, cuz the arrows on the k740 are pretty rapid.
But when it comes to roping, the quicker the better it seems for me.
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It depends on which scheme you want the keyboard for.
For league ttrr you want something reliable and for me that is steelseries gv2.
It probably isn't the best for tapping but I tried the logitech illuminated (TOMT sent me it after warmer competition) and it was very "tappy" and not so reliable.
Infact, I am not the best at warmer but the steelseries was good enough to get the turn I wanted and I couldn't blame it for any fall.
The only question is black switches vs red; I have only tried black.
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In my experience I've found that the 'best' kb is what you're the most used to.
I've tried several over the years and my favorite kb ever was a thrift store Gateway or Dell kb ($1, can't remember brand) with membranes. It fell apart after a year of playing but it was better than my K70 that I have now when it comes to roping. I'm not going to bother having multiple kb's for gaming. I've also never noticed any real difference between USB and PS/2 keyboards, although I know on paper that PS/2 is supposedly superior. Also, lots of people (including myself) play via laptops, so USB is practically a requirement. Now that I am used to them, I greatly prefer mechanical kb's for the overall feel, gaming or not.
As long as the kb is full size and doesn't have keylock, anyone can get good at using it for any scheme. The main advantage IMO that 'gaming' kb's offer is that they tend to be of a higher construction quality and last longer. I barely play W:A anymore due to being in and out of the hospital but this K70 I have has been used extensively for quite a period of time and it doesn't show any signs of wear aside from just being generally dirty. I don't remap my keys and my spacebar feels exactly the same now as it did the day I bought it.
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I'll stand by the Logitech K740 for life now... Bit expensive but best keyboard I ever bought.
I tap pretty damn hard at times, you can twitch tap on this SO good, and it's lasted me like what 3 years now or something... Definitely got my moneys worth out it, and it's still clean!
The only other keyboard I thought was amazing was the one where I could do double handed taps after kicks perfectly and can't even remember what it was called or to be honest what it even looked like...
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It depends on which scheme you want the keyboard for.
For league ttrr you want something reliable and for me that is steelseries gv2.
It probably isn't the best for tapping but I tried the logitech illuminated (TOMT sent me it after warmer competition) and it was very "tappy" and not so reliable.
Infact, I am not the best at warmer but the steelseries was good enough to get the turn I wanted and I couldn't blame it for any fall.
The only question is black switches vs red; I have only tried black.
I have tried both, using red currently.
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I want to try those infrared switches, seems ideal for roping
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It depends on which scheme you want the keyboard for.
As an lover of aerial and big rr, I totally agree with this.
For using jetpack through map ruins - nothing is better than kb with low profile keys and great responsitivity.
Even ttrr is less demanding than that and can be played with any keyboard, as long you get rid of keylock.
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4. Logitech k120. I tried this keyboard at work and it seems fine. It has keylock but I don't think it's an issue since it's easy to bypass it. Build quality is not great but who cares? It has 1 year warranty and only costs 10$. I'd recommend it to everyone who doesn't wanna spend too much money on a keyboard for worms.
Well, what are you gonna say now Senator? ;)
Edit: What do you mean "bypass it"?
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Check keylock with this: https://drakeirving.github.io/MultiKeyDisplay/
(hold all 4 cursors and start pressing other keys/letters. When you find 1 or 2 that can be pressed - remap space on them using wk_remapkeys module)
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The only question is black switches vs red; I have only tried black.
if you ever thought that black were limiting you due to weight, you might be interested in reds
oh, and Cherry MX isn't the only line of switches as their patent expired a long time ago. Some of the notable switch clones are from Gateron, Kalih (Razer) and Outemu
I want to try those infrared switches, seems ideal for roping
Besides being able to change actuation force, I don't think it'll give a better advantage over other players in WA
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Anyone has tried Cherry MX Silent Reds? If so, what are your opinions?
you should check out this channel btw
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The only question is black switches vs red; I have only tried black.
if you ever thought that black were limiting you due to weight, you might be interested in reds
oh, and Cherry MX isn't the only line of switches as their patent expired a long time ago. Some of the notable switch clones are from Gateron, Kalih (Razer) and Outemu
I want to try those infrared switches, seems ideal for roping
Besides being able to change actuation force, I don't think it'll give a better advantage over other players in WA
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Anyone has tried Cherry MX Silent Reds? If so, what are your opinions?
you should check out this channel btw
I definitely think the black and blue switches aren’t ideal for roping, needed by more force to depress the switch is probably negligible, but every little bit counts with speed, as the reds are a lighter switch.
Charles - I would agree with your assertion on the actuation force, but I think the part you are overlooking is the 0.1 MS response time on the switches, far superior to anything out there. If there was a way to customize the actuation distance, it would make the ultimate switch.
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huh, nevermind, didn't made enough research lol
oh, and here's a review of a Wooting One, it's important to keep in mind that the person reviewing has a lot of vintage keyboards
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Can't believe there's ppl out there which, on purpose, purchase kbs with small enter.
I mean, that's probably most used key and you want it to be 2x smaller. That's masochist.
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EDIT1: there's also a 3rd type of enter, which is named (by mechanicalkeyboard subreddit) big a$$
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Charles - I would agree with your assertion on the actuation force, but I think the part you are overlooking is the 0.1 MS response time on the switches, far superior to anything out there. If there was a way to customize the actuation distance, it would make the ultimate switch.
It all depends on the firmware. Making a keyboard with 0-1 ms delay is not that hard. Most commercial keyboards have significantly more delay than that however.
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Any of you got one of those "E-Blue" mechanical keyboards?
Some pretty good deals I could find now on cyber monday. And by the reviews on internet, they make quality products.
Thinking between 2 models: EKM 757 (outemu or kailh switches(?)) or EKM 770 (optical "light strike" switches)
Lemme know if you ever used one for roping.
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Thinking between 2 models: EKM 757 (outemu or kailh switches(?)) or EKM 770 (optical "light strike" switches)
I'd say get light strike switches (keyboard itself doesn't matter too much). I compared them with Cherry MX Red and they turned out to be significantly faster. 0.2 ms response time, key lifespan 100 million keystrokes and no key chattering make them objectively better than standard mechanical switches.
Yeah, was reading some stuff about response time. And it's only 20$ more expensive. +lightning is only 1 color, not one for each row. Cheaper kb looks like you're typing on fkn christmas tree. Although, not on sale anymore so I'm not in a rush. Could possibly even wait for next price drop which could happen in late december.
Thx for answer.