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Title: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 11, 2018, 12:09 AM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: sock on June 11, 2018, 12:28 AM
Yeah, it's hard to enjoy roper with crate luck.

I don't enjoy time trial rope race that much anymore.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Husk on June 11, 2018, 07:43 PM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Xrayez on June 11, 2018, 08:15 PM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

Yeah, even if there's luck involved, it's always constant, unlike skills that improve with more practice time.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 12, 2018, 08:11 AM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

I do play to improve myself. YOU have a shit mentality if you're coming into this thread and making assumptions and generally being a sanctimonious ass totally unprovoked... acting like you possess the correct mentality. Come on man, that's just dick behavior, juvenile, and uncalled-for. 

While I do play for fun, and for improvement, I also do play to win. I think it's natural to be a little disappointed when taking a loss, especially when luck has anything to do with it. While things like crate luck can piss me off, not playing to my potential pisses me off even more. The other day I played a couple of ropers with Dibz/Blitz, the first ropers I'd played in ages. I wasn't surprised that I lost... I was rusty and Dibz is a very good roper. The first game I lost easily. The second one I nearly won (literally one turn away from winning) until I made a mistake and also had some bad crate luck. I was just commenting on how I used to love roper but now I prefer Big RR because I feel it has far less luck involved and is more interesting in general.

I'm not salty that I lost. I don't take Worms seriously anymore (and haven't in a long time), but that's not to say that I don't want to win. Having fun and playing to win are not mutually exclusive. If you aren't playing Worms to win I don't even see the point in playing, and it's also kinda disrespectful to your opponent. Nobody wants to win because the other guy wasn't trying. If I didn't enjoy Worms I wouldn't play it, simple. I've been on WormNET since day one having fun and wouldn't be still playing basically 20 years later if I didn't find it enjoyable, lol.

To get back on topic, there's certain schemes that I used to find very entertaining but these days I don't really care for them. Roper is one example. T17 is another. It's not that I don't have fun playing T17, I play to win, and if your opponent gets aqua sheeps and other useful items while you uzis and shit, it can be really annoying. Crate luck is why I also like playing WxW's with 1 HP crates instead of random weapon crates. I prefer zook/mine/drill/lg only. Last but not least I have to mention Intermediate. I have fun playing it, but it still pisses me off due to the 1 HP sudden death option... so I don't play it that much anymore.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Anubis on June 12, 2018, 11:17 AM
BnG
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: h3oCharles on June 12, 2018, 02:57 PM
Battle Race, Holy War, Chute Race (wdca only)
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: sock on June 12, 2018, 03:53 PM
I like all the classic schemes to be honest and still do.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Asbest on June 12, 2018, 04:19 PM
Warmer and TTRR
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheWalrus on June 12, 2018, 04:54 PM
I like all the classic schemes to be honest and still do.
yeah there is nothing in classic league i dont like except shopper, or any scheme 2v2, the game has passed me by, though.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Husk on June 12, 2018, 06:10 PM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

I do play to improve myself. YOU have a shit mentality if you're coming into this thread and making assumptions and generally being a sanctimonious ass totally unprovoked... acting like you possess the correct mentality. Come on man, that's just dick behavior, juvenile, and uncalled-for.

the thing is skunk3, this isn't the first time and not the last time u complain about luck, so yeah, YOU have a shit mentality

even if there was bad crate luck in the 2nd game between you and dibz, there were still 100 things u cuda done better, so instead of looking at luck, look at the possibilities u cuda done better

ofc you try to win, but winning and losing happens, you can't avoid losing, hell, if u want to improve you must fail/lose, you can focus on the bad luck you had, but i think it's more smart to focus on the good things my opponent did to win

you using the intermediate 1 hp sudden death as a example of luck just shows how out of touch you really are, i used to think it was luck aswell, but it's actually skill, you have all the information on your screen and if you pay attention you know when the sudden death starts

overall your mentality is bad, i'd say shit
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheWalrus on June 12, 2018, 06:50 PM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

I do play to improve myself. YOU have a shit mentality if you're coming into this thread and making assumptions and generally being a sanctimonious ass totally unprovoked... acting like you possess the correct mentality. Come on man, that's just dick behavior, juvenile, and uncalled-for.

the thing is skunk3, this isn't the first time and not the last time u complain about luck, so yeah, YOU have a shit mentality

even if there was bad crate luck in the 2nd game between you and dibz, there were still 100 things u cuda done better, so instead of looking at luck, look at the possibilities u cuda done better

ofc you try to win, but winning and losing happens, you can't avoid losing, hell, if u want to improve you must fail/lose, you can focus on the bad luck you had, but i think it's more smart to focus on the good things my opponent did to win

you using the intermediate 1 hp sudden death as a example of luck just shows how out of touch you really are, i used to think it was luck aswell, but it's actually skill, you have all the information on your screen and if you pay attention you know when the sudden death starts

overall your mentality is bad, i'd say shit
i was totally with you 100% until intermediate 1 hp argument, this was the strongest cheat in wa2.exe, i really doubt its skill unless you sit there with a stopwatch, its nice to have the vague prompts as to when SD is starting but it really isn't exactly indicative of the exact moment SD starts.

Seriously though Vince, just have fun, this game has no competitive aspect anymore, not like you were active in any league ever, anyways.  Stop taking yourself so seriously man, you seem hyper committed to always being disappointed or let down.  That's no way to live life.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 12, 2018, 06:55 PM
Had some good times playing darts tours few years ago. Every night 4-6 ppl would compete and try to get highest scores in big variety of maps. Pretty active mini league, organised leaderboards, 200+ different throws/playstyles, all players similar in skill..

Now, like rest of the community, I hate the scheme.. But can't say it was never fun!


Stop taking yourself so seriously man, you seem hyper committed to always being disappointed or let down.  That's no way to live life.

What he said.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: h3oCharles on June 12, 2018, 08:44 PM
i was totally with you 100% until intermediate 1 hp argument, this was the strongest cheat in wa2.exe, i really doubt its skill unless you sit there with a stopwatch, its nice to have the vague prompts as to when SD is starting but it really isn't exactly indicative of the exact moment SD starts.

Seriously though Vince, just have fun, this game has no competitive aspect anymore, not like you were active in any league ever, anyways.  Stop taking yourself so seriously man, you seem hyper committed to always being disappointed or let down.  That's no way to live life.
Show him NormalNoNoobs, he might enjoy it
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 13, 2018, 09:27 AM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

I do play to improve myself. YOU have a shit mentality if you're coming into this thread and making assumptions and generally being a sanctimonious ass totally unprovoked... acting like you possess the correct mentality. Come on man, that's just dick behavior, juvenile, and uncalled-for.

the thing is skunk3, this isn't the first time and not the last time u complain about luck, so yeah, YOU have a shit mentality

even if there was bad crate luck in the 2nd game between you and dibz, there were still 100 things u cuda done better, so instead of looking at luck, look at the possibilities u cuda done better

ofc you try to win, but winning and losing happens, you can't avoid losing, hell, if u want to improve you must fail/lose, you can focus on the bad luck you had, but i think it's more smart to focus on the good things my opponent did to win

you using the intermediate 1 hp sudden death as a example of luck just shows how out of touch you really are, i used to think it was luck aswell, but it's actually skill, you have all the information on your screen and if you pay attention you know when the sudden death starts

overall your mentality is bad, i'd say shit


When was the last time I really complained about luck? Can you actually cite a time without rummaging through past posts? I honestly can't remember personally but surely it has to be years ago since I've barely posted to these forums in comparison to most of the people on here. (264 posts vs. your nearly 7,000 posts!) Besides, I'm not COMPLAINING about anything at all. You don't seem to understand the difference between complaining and stating a preference. I simply said that I do not like playing roper anymore because of the luck / tedium element. That's it... nothing more, nothing less. Pointing out luck elements in a particular scheme does not equate to complaining. You keep trying to dissect my statements and accuse me of this and that while also being a straight-up asshole and saying that I have a shit mentality. I've said nothing here to have prompted your anti-Skunk tirade and the irony of the whole situation is absolutely hilarious. 



Everyone can always do better in games. You keep making very broad, generic statements / suggestions as though you are telling me something that I haven't considered, as though I don't know how to play the game when I've been around longer than you. Can you understand why this doesn't make any sense to me? As far as the game with Blitz goes, I already said that I made a mistake during the game, so why make redundant, obvious suggestions?

Finally, I am aware that you can strategize in Intermediate for 1 HP sudden death mode. This isn't news to me, I've been playing the damn scheme for ages. The reason why I don't like Intermediate or any scheme with 1 HP sudden death is because once SD kicks in, it makes me feel as though my efforts up until that point have been kinda worthless....basically just positioning. I just don't like that sudden death option. It's not that I can't plan ahead or adjust to it - I just think it's stupid and not fun, therefore I prefer to not play schemes with that sudden death mode. That's not to say that I don't / won't play Intermediate... I'd just prefer to play something else. Am I not allowed personal preference?

One thing that I will complain about is the very nature of what it feels like to engage on TUS with certain regular posters. It is a very high school, clique-y, wolf pack, popularity contest sort of vibe around here, which is why I barely posted to this site or even checked it out for years. The core TUS crowd (some of them, not all) is so incestuous in a manner of speaking and up each other's asses that anyone who isn't a part of that 'inner circle' is seen as an outsider and gets picked on like the new kid in the lunch room, lol. If you don't like me for whatever reason, that's fine, but there's no need to personally insult me or my intelligence unless I attack you first. I think that a lot of people view me in a bad light because of that one time I trolled the f@#! out of TUS for a day or two a long time ago. I find it funny and sad that basically nobody even understood that I was intentionally trying to aggravate people just to see if they would actually get butthurt or of they could identify a blatantly obvious troll attempt for what it is. The humor and ridiculousness that used to be a staple part of the W:A experience has been gone for a long time now, and that's why I think a lot of people don't feel like playing anymore. Furthermore, I personally think that TUS (both the leagues themselves and the 'inner circle') are the primary reason why the fun has been sucked out of the game... and that is not an attempt at trolling, I'm being dead serious.
 
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 13, 2018, 09:35 AM
I played my first roper in ages the other day and it kinda reminded me why I stopped playing them to begin with. Years ago I was obsessed with roper and played it non-stop. Now I can't stand them because it's so dependent on crate luck and also there's usually 1-2 hides that are the best on the map and people just stick to the same hides over and over until crate luck determines a winner. These days I much prefer Big RR because there's no luck involved.

Do you guys have any schemes that you used to really enjoy, but don't like playing anymore?

why do u care if ur opponent wins by crate luck? try to enjoy just improving urself, then u'll be the winner, u have a shit mentality. try to enjoy the game than to win, crate luck u can't change but u can always improve

I do play to improve myself. YOU have a shit mentality if you're coming into this thread and making assumptions and generally being a sanctimonious ass totally unprovoked... acting like you possess the correct mentality. Come on man, that's just dick behavior, juvenile, and uncalled-for.

the thing is skunk3, this isn't the first time and not the last time u complain about luck, so yeah, YOU have a shit mentality

even if there was bad crate luck in the 2nd game between you and dibz, there were still 100 things u cuda done better, so instead of looking at luck, look at the possibilities u cuda done better

ofc you try to win, but winning and losing happens, you can't avoid losing, hell, if u want to improve you must fail/lose, you can focus on the bad luck you had, but i think it's more smart to focus on the good things my opponent did to win

you using the intermediate 1 hp sudden death as a example of luck just shows how out of touch you really are, i used to think it was luck aswell, but it's actually skill, you have all the information on your screen and if you pay attention you know when the sudden death starts

overall your mentality is bad, i'd say shit
i was totally with you 100% until intermediate 1 hp argument, this was the strongest cheat in wa2.exe, i really doubt its skill unless you sit there with a stopwatch, its nice to have the vague prompts as to when SD is starting but it really isn't exactly indicative of the exact moment SD starts.

Seriously though Vince, just have fun, this game has no competitive aspect anymore, not like you were active in any league ever, anyways.  Stop taking yourself so seriously man, you seem hyper committed to always being disappointed or let down.  That's no way to live life.


I do have fun. What gave you the impression that I am not having fun playing Worms? The game still has a competitive aspect but it's just not based on leagues. I've never understood why people think that nothing you do in-game matters unless a league score is there to back it up. As far as my league days go, I was never active in TUS at all. By the time TUS was even a thing I was burned out on playing in that way. I told you about this a long ass time ago. I used to play a ton of pre-TUS clanners and singles stuff but that was ages ago. I don't understand what is giving you the impression that I am taking myself too seriously here, or that I am in need of counseling? Go back through the thread. I haven't complained about anything at all. I just wanted to start a topic to get people talking.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 13, 2018, 10:01 AM
Besides, I'm not COMPLAINING about anything at all. You don't seem to understand the difference between complaining and stating a preference. I simply said that I do not like playing roper anymore because of the luck / tedium element.

That's why ppl started replying you with so much negativity. You make new thread every time you change opinion about something, and it's annoying cause you change it more often than I switch my underwear.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 13, 2018, 10:05 AM
Besides, I'm not COMPLAINING about anything at all. You don't seem to understand the difference between complaining and stating a preference. I simply said that I do not like playing roper anymore because of the luck / tedium element.

That's why ppl started replying you with so much negativity. You make new thread every time you change opinion about something, and it's annoying cause you change it more often than I switch my underwear.

What on Earth are you talking about? How many threads have I even started on TUS? I BARELY even post to this site, man. Maybe you're confusing my posts to TUS with my posts to Steam forums for other Worm titles? Facebook groups? What is it? For that matter, I don't even change my mind that often, and if I do change my mind about something Worms-related, I try to at least explain why. I don't see how any of this deserves negativity thrown in my face.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Anubis on June 13, 2018, 01:57 PM
There are two ways to reply to any thread on the internet.

1. You stay on topic and reply what the thread is about.
2. You attack the thread creator.

90% of the time people choose 2. And that is not unique to TUS or W:A or anything. I frequent many forums way bigger than worms and it always boils down to debates and arguments over the most useless things, mainly opinions which have formed over the course of years or even decades and thus are very unlikely to change. I have come to the conclusion that online interaction with strangers is just a clown fiesta and people just want to be "right" to boost their ego. You can literally check anyone on these forums, including me, and you find this typical human behavior.

The easiest way to get along online is to just have no opinion at all. People even trust you way more if you are neutral on everything because they think you don't care anyway.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Kradie on June 13, 2018, 03:44 PM
We seek opinion from others to validate our status. If the opinion of others aren't satisfactor to our own, we can feel threatened. Therefor we can act on our own justice, even if it seems cruel, it is just to seek order to our own stabilization- This is essential in controlling the chaos within us.

To have opinion, or not to have? We still seek confirmation or belonging from entities around us. So the inextricable everlasting quest of superiority complex will always corrupt. There's no escaping the cycle of vanity.  The only thing one can do is to accept, accept that being wrong is totally fine.

Then again, much here is totally subjective and should not be taken serious.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheWalrus on June 13, 2018, 04:56 PM
We seek opinion from others to validate our status. If the opinion of others aren't satisfactor to our own, we can feel threatened. Therefor we can act on our own justice, even if it seems cruel, it is just to seek order to our own stabilization- This is essential in controlling the chaos within us.

To have opinion, or not to have? We still seek confirmation or belonging from entities around us. So the inextricable everlasting quest of superiority complex will always corrupt. There's no escaping the cycle of vanity.  The only thing one can do is to accept, accept that being wrong is totally fine.

Then again, much here is totally subjective and should not be taken serious.
You post like a drunk Leo Tolstoy, I love it
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: j0e on June 13, 2018, 11:35 PM
We seek opinion from others to validate our status. If the opinion of others aren't satisfactor to our own, we can feel threatened. Therefor we can act on our own justice, even if it seems cruel, it is just to seek order to our own stabilization- This is essential in controlling the chaos within us.

To have opinion, or not to have? We still seek confirmation or belonging from entities around us. So the inextricable everlasting quest of superiority complex will always corrupt. There's no escaping the cycle of vanity.  The only thing one can do is to accept, accept that being wrong is totally fine.

Then again, much here is totally subjective and should not be taken serious.
You post like a drunk Leo Tolstoy, I love it
Agreed. Best post I've read on these forums in months.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Senator on June 14, 2018, 01:46 PM
Rope schemes. Used to be the only reason for playing Worms.

Still, Roper > WxW
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Zalo on June 14, 2018, 02:20 PM
Besides, I'm not COMPLAINING about anything at all. You don't seem to understand the difference between complaining and stating a preference. I simply said that I do not like playing roper anymore because of the luck / tedium element.

That's why ppl started replying you with so much negativity. You make new thread every time you change opinion about something, and it's annoying cause you change it more often than I switch my underwear.

What on Earth are you talking about? How many threads have I even started on TUS? I BARELY even post to this site, man. Maybe you're confusing my posts to TUS with my posts to Steam forums for other Worm titles? Facebook groups? What is it? For that matter, I don't even change my mind that often, and if I do change my mind about something Worms-related, I try to at least explain why. I don't see how any of this deserves negativity thrown in my face.

1. sensei, you don't need to change your underwear simply because you wouldn't have anything inside it anyway.
2. The guy has made barely 266 posts compared to your cancerous spamming (1970 posts) and you even dare to talk to him like that? That's the reason why people are leaving TUS. Your arrogance is poisoning this place.

Thread time:
3. I loved playing aerial in past. I was fortunate enough to get 1 Gold from Aerial Tournament. Sadly, there was one arrogant streamer with Russian accent who started making a big deal out of Aerials and completely ruined the fun that I had with this scheme.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 14, 2018, 02:29 PM
Hahah. **Pills forgotten!**
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: MarianRV on June 14, 2018, 02:45 PM
2. The guy has made barely 266 posts compared to your cancerous spamming (1970 posts) and you even dare to talk to him like that?
Based on that logic Husk would be cancer  :o
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: nino on June 14, 2018, 05:21 PM
Elite  ;D
 
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 15, 2018, 03:47 AM
Besides, I'm not COMPLAINING about anything at all. You don't seem to understand the difference between complaining and stating a preference. I simply said that I do not like playing roper anymore because of the luck / tedium element.

That's why ppl started replying you with so much negativity. You make new thread every time you change opinion about something, and it's annoying cause you change it more often than I switch my underwear.

What on Earth are you talking about? How many threads have I even started on TUS? I BARELY even post to this site, man. Maybe you're confusing my posts to TUS with my posts to Steam forums for other Worm titles? Facebook groups? What is it? For that matter, I don't even change my mind that often, and if I do change my mind about something Worms-related, I try to at least explain why. I don't see how any of this deserves negativity thrown in my face.

1. sensei, you don't need to change your underwear simply because you wouldn't have anything inside it anyway.
2. The guy has made barely 266 posts compared to your cancerous spamming (1970 posts) and you even dare to talk to him like that? That's the reason why people are leaving TUS. Your arrogance is poisoning this place.

Thread time:
3. I loved playing aerial in past. I was fortunate enough to get 1 Gold from Aerial Tournament. Sadly, there was one arrogant streamer with Russian accent who started making a big deal out of Aerials and completely ruined the fun that I had with this scheme.

I've played less than 10 Aerial games ever, but I know that I'm not a huge fan of it. I like Hysteria but for some reason I am not overly fond of Aerial, but I suppose that it could grow on me if I played it more. I am trying to branch out and force myself to play schemes that I rarely play just for balancing and practice. I played a few Elites earlier today and did surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 03:53 AM
I used to enjoy this game and this community, reading stuff like this makes me glad I escaped.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 15, 2018, 05:21 AM
I used to enjoy this game and this community, reading stuff like this makes me glad I escaped.


You should play the game anyway. If TUS irks you, just ignore the site. I largely ignored this site for many years, as you can see by my post count. All in all, there's only a handful of players who I truly cannot stand. Everyone else is fine, even if people can be dicks sometimes. (Myself included.) Most of the people who I dislike the most don't seem to post here very much anymore from what I can tell. I've tried tons of games and nothing keeps me coming back like W:A. I have tried all of the most popular new games and nothing hooks me. W:A is always fun even if I get burned out on it sometimes and need a break. If a bunch of older players came back and started playing frequently it would be even better.

I've been having a lot of fun these past ~2 months or so. My only real complaint is the lack of old schoolers. There's some promising newer players though but who knows if they will stick around. I think my time zone is the main reason why I don't see too many people.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 12:12 PM
I had actually typed out like 3 different posts(I mean the one above that ended in 1 sentence) and deleted all of them thinking what's the point, someone will just moan and miss the point entirely lol.

But I agree with most of what you said in this thread Skunk, and Anubis and Zalo.

Certain people in this very post are a huge part of why I don't really do much anymore here, can't really do anything without being criticized for it one way or another, even when you host a free Twyst Tournaments with cash prizes for people in your own time, you still get bitched at for not being good enough...

I still go online for the odd game here and there, i'll never be fully into this game again, ever, unless some sort of miracle happens and everybody is fun and open minded again.

I used to go online and have people like Marco talk to me about spirituality and the pineal gland, that guy is one of my personal heroes, sent me on a path of life that I love...

Everybody that plays now, they talk about meaningless garbage, RAPE RAPE RAPE etc... (Or i'm just unlucky with who I play lol?)

Everytime I try to get people talking it's absolute bollux... XanKriegor has been an absolute legend speaking with me since I left on Discord, he is a real friend speaking about real passions and hobbies etc. Nino as well, he's been really cool chatting as well, hoping to visit nino within the next few years :)

So now I surround myself around positive people, it's amazing, i've truly never been happier :)


1 thing I will make clear, this game has been one of the most important parts of my life and I wouldn't change it for the world.

One of my favourite things to do is go to a pub, find an old person sitting alone, and hear their life stories, one of the most amazing experiences, old people know so much...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 15, 2018, 02:24 PM
Certain people in this very post are a huge part of why I don't really do much anymore here

Ppl in thread by now: skunk3, old sock, husk, xrayez, anubis, themadcharles, asbest, thewalrus, sensei, kradie, joe, senator, zalo, marian, nino.

Now stand behind your words for once and englighten us. Which of these ppl affected you in any way and are the reason you're not playing anymore? What was that big injustice that was dealt to you and couldn't ever be fixed!?

What's with all the self-pity on these forums? Are you guys actually think any of these, mostly 30+ year old ppl, give a flying f@#! about how fragile you are? Do we all should agree with your posts and opinions whenever you say something? Do we need to keep our mouth shut because we could, help me god, hurt anyone's feelings? Is this a community forum or a ballet reherseal?

Every idea/thread that brings something inovative and is well thought out will get applauded and supported. This community is not cancer. Never was, never will be.
Handful of same ppl just want to represent it that way over and over again. Give up.

Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 02:58 PM
One of the big reasons is you Sensei.

For example, I tried getting into Rocket League with you and Sniper, you both f@#!ing ignored me on Steam messaging service, yet few minutes later you are streaming, you act like my friend and talk all nice on your stream, but still ignore me in private, says a lot about your character. (This happened 3 times before I gave up and moved on.)

To put it simply, you're a selfish dick.

P.S. Not to mention you going after everyone on forums for anything, attacking them instead of the topic they raised.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Kradie on June 15, 2018, 03:07 PM
Certain people in this very post are a huge part of why I don't really do much anymore here, can't really do anything without being criticized for it one way or another, even when you host a free Twyst Tournaments with cash prizes for people in your own time, you still get bitched at for not being good enough...

I am going to assume that you feel this way about me. We did have some interesting chats on snooper, but elsewhere there weren't much effort made in keeping in touch. Perhaps this is my fault too, I didn't want to intrude, you seem very busy.

A general note to everyone, I don't just play ZaR, but it is the scheme that I enjoy the most. I'm not perfect, nor am I liked much, but the people I hang with, are genuine good decent people, that can accept the indifference.

So maybe you are thinking now ''Well, I don't like Kradie much, does this make me a bad person?'' Hell no. there are people I don't like too.But to accept and tolerate is a better option than toxicity.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: STRGRN on June 15, 2018, 03:08 PM
Gonna have to agree with komodo here, but sensei still has a good point, with the whole fragility thing. You shouldn't always blame your problems on others and care about what others think of you
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 15, 2018, 03:18 PM
?? You stoped playin wa cause sniper and me were doin some competitive duos in rocket league?

You had 1hr in that game, snipe and me had 500+. You really think it would be fun for any of us to play ranked together? Cmon man, be realistic. You can't get affected by those kind of stuff.

Double standards dude.. You wouldn't ruin your bng stats to play duos with some newbie, but expect ppl to do it for you. That's school example of selfish ;)

Kinda proved my point of these self-pity meaningless posts ppl tend to write on tus. No head, no tail.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 04:19 PM
No Kradie, you are one of my favourite people on WA.

You are enthusiastic, intelligent, very helpful, and use the English language very creatively! We've had some pretty deep and fascinating conversations in #AG, I always thanked you for your time, I wish more people were like you.

Sensei, by the point I gave up I already became good flying in the air doing tricks n stuff, I have a natural talent to get amazing at anything I like, very fast.

And who said we had to play ranked? And if that was the case, YOU COULD HAVE f@#!ING REPLIED AND SAID THAT!

It's the fact you ignored me, then when on to play, it's just disrespectful, you didn't try to encourage me or help me get into the game at all, you kept it all to yourself. Maybe even "Sorry dude, i'm gonna play some Ranked matches with Sniper, maybe another time we can do some fun games and you can learn". But nope, you literally ignored me.

Yes, I wouldn't risk my BnG stats, but I still play COUNTLESS HOURS of funners with people who showed a keen interest to play and learn, you, alone pretty much ruined Rocket League for me, just like all the people on WA that have been shunned and turned away because of similar experiences!

Prove me wrong, I dare you! I don't hate you or anything, I just realize you are pretty selfish that way, and choose to avoid you now.

Also, STRGRN, why do you think I walked away and made myself happy lol, at the end of the day, Sensei lost out on a great friendship, and potential partner who has incredible abilities at gaming, I just went on to do other things with people who actually care.


P.S. - It also shows a lot about a persons personality when they can't even notice, take in, and understand key statements like "One of the big reasons", "For example," etc... It's actually worrying, and seems to happen a lot around here.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Aladdin on June 15, 2018, 05:37 PM
Kradie :-*
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 15, 2018, 07:20 PM
This community is not cancer. Never was, never will be.

Wrong. (Just look at how people ran off Jonno from Team17, for example!)

There are many people who are absolute assholes around here. As I said, most of them don't seem to post anymore but TUS has been no stranger to cancerous jerks in years past... and the worst part about that is the fact that these twats are often supported in what they say by others in their incestuous clique, or at the very least, nobody speaks out about them. TUS has birthed (or at least further solidified) an 'inner circle' of players who suck the fun out of the game in myriad ways. For example, look at Husk's posts in this thread. That sort of behavior should rightfully be condemned because it is uncalled-for and just plain rude. In fact, if he were a decent person he would apologize.

I don't involve myself with cliques and never have. I play with everybody, I talk to everybody, and I often take time to teach noobs. Too many people on TUS are elitist, condescending, and rude.




Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 15, 2018, 08:25 PM
Just look at how people ran off Jonno from Team17, for example!

He was here to promote new t17 title and try to trick ppl to spend money on it.
After his job was done, no one saw him ever again. There wasn't "knife on the neck" needed for that guy to leave this place, lol. Phony and no-name, is it possible anyone still mourning him?

Try and get back ppl like cueshark, lacoste - for entertaining you tube videos and compilations..
Map makers, wormkit module developers...

Just typed jonno in search on tus. He's mentioned 8 times in last 2 years.
5 times by you skunk3.


Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 08:59 PM
Skunk, I do agree with you on how Husk 1st responded to you, but honestly I think you both over reacted a bit, Husk is a Worms Armageddon legend, I think you should be more patient with him.

He's poured, imo, I could be wrong, at least 15k hours into this game, a fair bit of that included towards this very community, he's on my top 5 list of best players of all time for his variety of skills across every single scheme invented, his loyalty towards his friends, clan, and this community, and i've seen pretty much everything from almost everybody.

He does however have a very blunt way of speaking to people, which does offend some people, but I feel he's a good soul and will always treat him with the respect he deserves even if he pisses me off beyond belief with something(which he never has btw).


Anyway, I miss Darts the most.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 15, 2018, 09:11 PM
Skunk, I do agree with you on how Husk 1st responded to you, but honestly I think you both over reacted a bit, Husk is a Worms Armageddon legend, I think you should be more patient with him.

He's poured, imo, I could be wrong, at least 15k hours into this game, a fair bit of that included towards this very community, he's on my top 5 list of best players of all time for his variety of skills across every single scheme invented, his loyalty towards his friends, clan, and this community, and i've seen pretty much everything from almost everybody.

He does however have a very blunt way of speaking to people, which does offend some people, but I feel he's a good soul and will always treat him with the respect he deserves even if he pisses me off beyond belief with something(which he never has btw).


Anyway, I miss Darts the most.

I have to carefully consider what I'm going to say here because I don't want anyone getting butthurt. First of all, I don't feel as though I overreacted whatsoever. I didn't insult him. I didn't act like a child. All I did was stand up for myself because if you don't correct people in their asshole behavior they will continue to act in that manner. It's like dog training. He needs to know that his attitude is NOT okay, ever. I have no patience for anyone who acts like that, here or IRL. I also don't give a damn about his (in your eyes) "legend" status. I too easily have 15k hours into this game or more, but the difference is that I haven't given a crap about league play for well over 10 years. I am a very solid all-arounder too but I don't want to get into that because people will try to argue and ridicule and mock and challenge, blah blah blah. I'm not going to make any self-aggrandizing claims because it's not relevant and I know what happens. Being good at the game and/or having a good league record doesn't give one carte blanche to be a prick, especially to me because league records mean absolutely nothing at all in my eyes.   


Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 15, 2018, 11:28 PM
Yeah except Husk isn't a big league fanatic really, he plays casually and does very well, at least seems like it to me lol.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Ryan on June 16, 2018, 12:07 AM
Husk was a very competitive allrounder at FB.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 16, 2018, 12:18 AM
Yeah he is, but it comes naturally, I never saw him brag or trash talk or ever mention how good he is at anything, always great sportsmanship, a very humble player.

I just imagine, Husk is that good just casually flowing along, imagine if he went full on?

And as usual, skunk, I never asked how good you were or think you are, everytime I mention how good I think someone is you mention your own talents and "if, but, coulda, woulda..." well,  the simple fact is, Husk has been around and proved himself, you haven't, to anybody it seems, and I don't mean to offend, that's just how it is, or at least looks to many of us.

I know for a fact I could equal or top Mablak if I could be arsed, but I can't, he could, and did... Same goes for a lot of people lol.


Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Ryan on June 16, 2018, 12:20 AM
This has gone massively offtopic.

I used to enjoy TTRR. These days I could never have a tense game  :(
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 16, 2018, 12:22 AM
Yeah, sorry, it's completely my fault, it's an interesting topic though, couldn't help myself...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: sock on June 16, 2018, 04:51 PM
Yeah, it is hard to have a tense game in TTRR for me now.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 17, 2018, 03:41 AM
What are you guys meaning by "tense game?"

Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Ryan on June 17, 2018, 07:56 AM
Close game.

Even funner RRs would be tense if all players in the game were near evenly matched.

Though nothing would beat a tense clanner/tourny final.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 17, 2018, 08:53 AM
Gotcha… although I don't understand why some people feel that a game has to be for rank for it to be exciting. As long as I have good competition I feel tension. I think that the added stress from it being a ranked game kind of saps the fun out of the whole experience, but obviously I'm the minority here. :) To each their own.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Mega`Adnan on June 17, 2018, 12:03 PM
Bungee Shopper, Bungee Race, Kaos.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 17, 2018, 01:45 PM
Though nothing would beat a tense clanner/tourny final.

This, I think I can safely speak for many players when we all agree we miss good Clanner competition the most...

skunk, I agree with you, I enjoy tense funners as well, but it's hard to find people like that.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 17, 2018, 07:08 PM


skunk, I agree with you, I enjoy tense funners as well, but it's hard to find people like that.

It is no more or less hard than finding people to play single/clanner ranked games. *shrug*
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Anubis on June 18, 2018, 12:10 AM
Though nothing would beat a tense clanner/tourny final.

This, I think I can safely speak for many players when we all agree we miss good Clanner competition the most...

skunk, I agree with you, I enjoy tense funners as well, but it's hard to find people like that.

Clanners will always be the best thing about W:A leagues, too bad it's the easiest scene to lose, singles can survive with little players but clanners really can't. Honestly, FBCL was my favorite time of Worms in hindsight. Great activity, fierce clanner competition and still many new blood pouring in as well as hundreds of oldies to play with. I would relax in warmers and wait for my clan mates to show up and find clanners. I doubt I will find a better gaming experience ever. It was the perfect package for both, competition and funners. Early-mid TUS clanners were also great but I wasn't much around in the beginning due to other games that caught my attention, my personal fav. time will always be FB.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 18, 2018, 12:17 AM
To be honest, I think i've enjoyed most eras of WA equally, apart from right now obviously lol.

I think the best times for Clanners were WACL, FB and TUS up until about 1-2 years ago.

I think it's easier to find a funner these days because I only really play Big RR now, to be honest I wish we could hand down our skills to newer players so that people could BnG/Rope as well as I could, and others could pass on Elite skills etc, of course this is a ridiculous unrealistic fantasy lol.

Coming to think of it, I can't even remember when the last League game I ever saw hosted in AG was now...

I used to believe there was something we could do to bring the activity back, I honestly don't know now...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 18, 2018, 03:47 AM
I wish we could hand down our skills to newer players so that people could BnG/Rope as well as I could

With all due respect, i'd look for roping skills elsewhere.
Let us know when you guys start giving away your knowledge to younger generations. Will be fun day.
This peasant community can't wait for touch of gods....

 ::)

Haha, sry komo.. just can't resist sometimes. All this time thought it was you, but it's probably me.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sbaffo on June 18, 2018, 09:19 AM
I wish we could hand down our skills to newer players so that people could BnG/Rope as well as I could

With all due respect, i'd look for roping skills elsewhere.
Let us know when you guys start giving away your knowledge to younger generations. Will be fun day.
This peasant community can't wait for touch of gods....

 ::)

Haha, sry komo.. just can't resist sometimes. All this time thought it was you, but it's probably me.



Komo is michael jordan, the others are newer players
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 18, 2018, 02:21 PM
That's cool, let's see you get voted as one of the top 10 roper/warmer players of all time and talked about during the best era of roping amongst people like Jmoberg, marco, Fatal, Saltyk9, Wargod, Oijogja, Ropa, TheSheriff etc. ;)

I've already proven myself and beat many of the top players of all time just as much as they beat me.

I just don't play as much as I used to so obviously not as good as I used to be, notice I said "could", not I am right now ;)

And yes, I think i'm pretty bad right now lol, but I can still teach people and help them to enjoy the game...  I'd love to prove myself again but there isn't really any attraction to...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 18, 2018, 04:46 PM
How come we never see guys like mablak,ryan, salty, sock, masta, dibz.. touching sky with their noses and self-promoting of how skilled they are/were?
Literally, I never seen any of their posts going toward that direction. And we're all familiar with their capabilities.

Ropa came in discord last night and was pretty toxic, but can agree with that guy on one thing: fachades!
Stop talking about yourselves in superlatives even if it's deserved, cause that's not a way to gain/maintain respect. It tend to do complete opposite.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Husk on June 18, 2018, 05:10 PM
well skunk3 i know u r a longtime player so ofc u know all the things i wrote... in my head i tried to write like "yo dude remember this" but it came off as "yo dude you don't know this" so yeah i know what i wrote wasn't news to you, it just came off stupid

i guess i over reacted because blaming luck/team mates is a huge problem for me in league of legends/overwatch/rocket league so i'm trying to fix my own way of thinking

about topic... elite... TEL especially... yeah...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: HHC on June 18, 2018, 05:52 PM
Lol, I kinda like those fights on RocketLeague. It's a good stress reliever.

Ooo, to think of all the 13 year old kids whose mom I called literally every single word in the urban dictionary.. good times, good times.





Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 18, 2018, 05:54 PM
Actually Sensei, you brought it up, not me, look, all I said was:

"to be honest I wish we could hand down our skills to newer players so that people could BnG/Rope as well as I could, and others could pass on Elite skills etc, of course this is a ridiculous unrealistic fantasy lol."

I was using myself as an example because of my known expertise and experience, why is that a bad thing? It's not like i'm rubbing it in anyones face going NAH NANA NAH NAH!

Your words, and don't deny it, were basically saying my skills are not worthy enough for anyone to learn, I am defending myself with facts to prove you wrong, that's part of my personality I can't help it, I tell the truth, I don't worry what it sounds like to other people, that's their insecurity not mine.

I have spent countless hours helping people to improve their roping(and anything else I have knowledge in, even just how to host lol)... And you just come here, with your usual b***h attitude and start nonsense...

Even Anubis, who is highly regarded by hundreds of players as the best warmer roper of all time, said I was a huge inspiration to him learning how to tap fast and control it, I was able to impress him and hopefully that made him achieve something which made him feel good about himself, and yeah I take a lot of pride in having such a meaningful comment from such a highly regarded player, so who gives a f**k about you when you have THAT horrible attitude lol.

Isn't it funny, how yet again, I said something that was positive(would be cool to pass on our skills) and yet again you turn it negative...

I wish you could have just said a bunch of people you think their skills would be useful to pass down, show your perspective instead of complaining about someone elses, I don't think you will ever learn to co-exist with people this way.

Edit:

I'm showing you this because I actually want you to realize I don't go around bullshitting making stuff up, since you essentially said i'm not good enough for people to gain value from my skills etc.

I fully realize there are some great players missing, and I didn't get the chance to play everyone I wanted, and imo I was not near my best either, but it's still a pretty good run having focused solely on BnG for so many year then switching straight to this, you can watch my games if you want, most of the time I had pretty good form:

(https://i.imgur.com/2I2yF30.png)

Could you say you could do that?

Call me what you want, but at least I can back my words up.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Husk on June 18, 2018, 06:11 PM
it's been long time to see so many players post in tus forums, so this topic is pretty good lol, now if there was just something to change this same activity into ag xD

new TEL season?!?!?!?!? new.... something!??!?!?! let's all start practice mole shopper and we'll learn new skills...
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 18, 2018, 06:13 PM
Lol I suck now, but i'm down for some clanners, Chelsea and I were looking some nights ago but nobody was there :(
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Sensei on June 18, 2018, 06:37 PM
Haha, it's cool komo. Never said you're bad, just tend to respect some other players way more than you. Just a subjective individual opinion, you as a legend shouldn't care about it.. ;)

Thx for sharing stats tho, enlightning experience. Completely ignored point of my previous post and last 2 sentences, but ok.


Husk, afraid it's not bound to happen, but if you guys have a plan to revive it, I'm at your disposal. You'll all have free pts in elite matches at least :D
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: TheKaren on June 18, 2018, 07:28 PM
Haha, it's cool komo. Never said you're bad, just tend to respect some other players way more than you.

That's cool lol, you shoulda went with that the 1st time ;)

I ignored those last 2 sentences because my posts are not false, deceptive or full of illusion etc, which is what the word facade* means.

I quite clearly backed up what I said, sooooo...

Everything I say is the truth, if you think otherwise, prove me wrong, or stop complaining about it lol.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: sock on June 18, 2018, 08:33 PM
I remember in the past posting in forums, whatever league it was, and nobody would give me the time of day.
Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: skunk3 on June 18, 2018, 09:10 PM
I remember in the past posting in forums, whatever league it was, and nobody would give me the time of day.

That's how it's been for me forever lol... some people think that if you don't play ranked then you're just a scrub and not worth consideration. Honestly, some of the most epic matches I've ever had with people were who either rarely play for rank or don't at all. There's plenty of players who don't play for rank who are just as good as league players, but that's just my opinion.

As far as past players not self-aggrandizing... ehhh, I dunno about that. :) They might not have posted publicly about it here but I have definitely had some ego-fueled conversations with some of the people mentioned in this thread (and plenty of others), but that's old news and I don't care. I think that a certain degree of egoism comes with playing a game for so many years and competing at a high level. The good news is that ego tripping seems a LOT less prevalent than it used to be. I don't know if that's due to the fact that activity has died down a lot or if people have simply just matured to a point by which they don't feel the need to act in such a way.

These days I am simply happy to just play and practice and work on weaknesses, and hopefully have some cool conversations while doing so.

Title: Re: Schemes that you USED TO enjoy?
Post by: Anubis on June 19, 2018, 11:09 AM
I remember in the past posting in forums, whatever league it was, and nobody would give me the time of day.

That's how it's been for me forever lol... some people think that if you don't play ranked then you're just a scrub and not worth consideration. Honestly, some of the most epic matches I've ever had with people were who either rarely play for rank or don't at all. There's plenty of players who don't play for rank who are just as good as league players, but that's just my opinion.

As far as past players not self-aggrandizing... ehhh, I dunno about that. :) They might not have posted publicly about it here but I have definitely had some ego-fueled conversations with some of the people mentioned in this thread (and plenty of others), but that's old news and I don't care. I think that a certain degree of egoism comes with playing a game for so many years and competing at a high level. The good news is that ego tripping seems a LOT less prevalent than it used to be. I don't know if that's due to the fact that activity has died down a lot or if people have simply just matured to a point by which they don't feel the need to act in such a way.

These days I am simply happy to just play and practice and work on weaknesses, and hopefully have some cool conversations while doing so.

That's not entirely true, for example saltyk9 never really played singles or clanners because he simply enjoyed warmer and rr more. But if he choose to play he was a damn scary opponent, sure he would do a trick or two in roper that was unnecessary and might lose him the game but he was a speed demon that could get any cr8 and still hit you. His BnG was also pretty decent afaik as well as T17. I was always glad to have him around in NBR or ToP as a potential partner to play with even though he would let other members step forward to play the competitive side of the clan. It's true that league stats back you up more reliably. But that is true IRL as well. Street Basketball "pros" all have great players but are not regarded as best basketball players of all time because they have no organized leagues that are broadcasted. Would they hold up in the NBA? Maybe, are they the best? No, because they can't prove it.