The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: skunk3 on July 17, 2021, 11:06 PM
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Activity in the game is slowing to a trickle compared to what it once was.
There's hardly any long-time players who are active anymore. Most of the people in AG are snooping (2/3rds at least) and the people who are in there are just random noobs. Clanners are dead. I rarely see any sort of ranked games hosted for any league. I've been busy this summer but I've also tried to make time to play WA when I can and every time I sign on (no matter the time of day) it's a disappointment. I haven't checked TUS in long time and from what I can tell, even this forum is half dead. It looks like the same posts that I saw last time I logged in here are still at the top with hardly any new replies. At this rate it makes me wonder how much longer the servers will even be running.
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That's unfortunate that you see it this way. I see it differently. I always manage to find or arrange games with people. Though at times it can be difficult setup games, but that doesn't mean imo that the game is dead. It all depends on what time you go on, and not everyone likes the same schemes.
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lol skunk I have met you like 3-4 times in the game and even there you were doing nothing else, but b*tching for hours about how dead the game and the activity is. if you truly think so, why are you coming back, and keep playing it? :-X only for this? to point out something so pointless?
I mean I just don't understand this.. :D
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lol skunk I have met you like 3-4 times in the game and even there you were doing nothing else, but b*tching for hours about how dead the game and the activity is. if you truly think so, why are you coming back, and keep playing it? :-X only for this? to point out something so pointless?
I mean I just don't understand this.. :D
I think you are being a little hyperbolic there. "bitching for hours?" Really? I might have commented once or twice about how there's hardly any activity and that is it, so please stop exaggerating and being a drama queen. Was I really hanging out in AG bitching about dead the game is?
I hop on WormNET when I can hoping to find good matches with skilled players and to have fun. Also, isn't a bit hypocritical of you to comment on this if it is so "pointless?" What is the point of your comment?
Being able to simply find a game is not the same thing as the game being active. There doesn't have to be literally zero games hosted and nobody joining lobbies for the game to be practically dead. It seems like with every month that goes by there's less and less people playing, and even at certain parts of the day when the game is at its most 'active', it's nothing in comparison to how active the game used to be. At almost any hour of the day when I log on to WormNET, more than 50% of the names in AG are snoopers or bots, and frequently that number can be more like 65-75%. Of course that doesn't account for people in games, but still. I just want people to start playing this again because modern gaming is super boring. I have a very powerful PC / GPU and most newer online multiplayer games suck. I have almost 600 games in my Steam library but I'd give them all up to keep WA.
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iam 4 days without shit cos no time!!!
porra it!!!
ahhh i miss waking up. peeing, then start to play... no shower!!! eat / drink everything in the room! then it is 04:00 am, time to sleep!! ;D ;D ;D
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I am in a BIG RR z with a few others right now. WA doesn't feel dead.
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I think these numbers speaks for themselves in regards to WA online player activity.
https://steamcharts.com/app/217200#7d
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actually I see groups of newbie hungarian players coming every week, some of them are even streaming WA content to their already popular youtube channels, many of them are buying the game via Steam, etc.
so yeah I remember having more players around back in 2012, and now obviously we have less, as it would happen with any online game.. losing players as the years go on. this is called: non-b*tching attitude ;D
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Actually, WA is more active, even competitively than it has been in the past few years this year.
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I think these numbers speaks for themselves in regards to WA online player activity.
https://steamcharts.com/app/217200#7d
lol those numbers probably include people playing offline or anyone who just has the game open for any reason, or even people who opened and then closed the application - not people who are in AG looking for a game. 137 players this past hour? Yeah f@#!ing right. Those Steam numbers are a straight-up lie.
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Actually, WA is more active, even competitively than it has been in the past few years this year.
That doesn't reflect my experience on WormNET lately at all, or this whole year in general. I just logged in a short while ago and there were 5 people in AG who weren't snoopers or bots, and I can't even be sure if some of those people weren't snooping. I know that it's late in Europe right now but still...
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It doesn't need to reflect your experience.
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I think these numbers speak for themselves in regards to WA online player activity.
https://steamcharts.com/app/217200#7d
keep in mind that these numbers are only for steam users, and it doesn't matter if they are connected to wormnet or not, they may as well be idle in the main menu. you also need to add up data from before August 2012, as well as CD and GOG releases, and any potential pirates
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I think it's partly because of me but I feel the same way and even started to play offline more often because it's much easier to start playing.
Sometimes it's boring to play for fun with randoms or league with the same handful of players. Hundreds of players that I loved to play with left and that's why it feels so empty.
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Hundreds of players that I loved to play with left and that's why it feels so empty.
For me clanners were the most fun thing to do, and since clanners are still very inactive, I don't even play WA anymore.
Although, i'm still very involved as a spectator and streamer, WA is more active this year than it has been in the past few years thanks to the new update and surge in competitive activity.
Still, I need clanners to personally thrive as a player.
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I think these numbers speak for themselves in regards to WA online player activity.
https://steamcharts.com/app/217200#7d
keep in mind that these numbers are only for steam users, and it doesn't matter if they are connected to wormnet or not, they may as well be idle in the main menu. you also need to add up data from before August 2012, as well as CD and GOG releases, and any potential pirates
Even if you grant they are steam users, that doesn't cut against Kradie's objection to Skunk.
Skunk said the game is slowing to a trickle compared to what it once was. Kradie's graph showed upward trending activity over time, although it looks like it's going through a slight downswing right now.
Suggesting users could be idle in menus and that affecting the data doesn't go through as an objection, either. You'd have to consistently levy that factor across the data and explain why people are hardly ever idle in menus (when the graph shows low activity) and why people are routinely idle in menus (when the graph shows high activity). Good luck showing an argument for that intuition lol. If idle menu time was controlled for I see no reason why we wouldn't suspect the activity data on the graph to still trend upward.
Unless there's better data out there, seems like Skunk's claim is obviously false, unless your notion of "slowing to a trickle" is actually "trending upward".
And by the way, that's ^ compatible with the claim that activity overall is lower than what it was pre-steam prime era. But Skunk specifically made a claim about the direction activity is trending.
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Something to consider also is that with a lot of countries relaxing their COVID protocols, a lot of people might now be going out to bars, pubs, parks and just generally socializing in a way they haven't been able to for a year and a half. I expect most games have taken a bit of a hit of late (though they'll be back soon, for a number of reasons).
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As someone who has previously forecast the death and downturn of worms years ago, I must say wa has far outlived my projections. Although there is little to no actual growth, and a downturn in community engagement, activity on the server is still quite good. NA activity hours is quite dead, however, and that’s when I would play typically, so I could see how skunk would feel the game is dead. Euro (peak) hours seem to still be really active.
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As someone who has previously forecast the death and downturn of worms years ago, I must say wa has far outlived my projections. Although there is little to no actual growth, and a downturn in community engagement, activity on the server is still quite good. NA activity hours is quite dead, however, and that’s when I would play typically, so I could see how skunk would feel the game is dead. Euro (peak) hours seem to still be really active.
^ with this, I agree. walrus and me were talking about playing some tus matches but we just keep avoiding each other, the usual time he is online, all the EU countries are long asleep already : > and vice versa the days and nights.
you NA people are missing a lot of activity and players there..
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and by the way in my opinion, the only thing that makes this game truly dead at the moment, is the childish-toxic behavior of immature pathetic 30-40 years old men that we have around. we have tonnes of people playing this game still, however in the past few weeks I started to understand and see clearly why hundreds of players have already quitted this game (and this community, and the tus leagues) in the past few years :) and I'm not even wondering why they did so..
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NA activity hours is quite dead, however, and that’s when I would play typically, so I could see how skunk would feel the game is dead. Euro (peak) hours seem to still be really active.
Do you think that has anything to do with American young culture? It seems to me that younger gamers from America are more prone to 'popular culture' than places such as Eastern Europe and Southern America, and maybe that a 22 year old game is simply "sad" and "lame" to them? Kinda like how kids are usually embarassed or put off by their parents fashion and music tastes lol.
You know what i'm getting at lol?
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NA activity hours is quite dead, however, and that’s when I would play typically, so I could see how skunk would feel the game is dead. Euro (peak) hours seem to still be really active.
Do you think that has anything to do with American young culture? It seems to me that younger gamers from America are more prone to 'popular culture' than places such as Eastern Europe and Southern America, and maybe that a 22 year old game is simply "sad" and "lame" to them? Kinda like how kids are usually embarassed or put off by their parents fashion and music tastes lol.
You know what i'm getting at lol?
I agree to some extent, I just think the average attention span of a USA teenager is tiny. There hasn’t been a single NA player come up and become really good in a long long time, despite USA representing a large sect of online gamers. There are an incredible amount of choices, and it seems people don’t have the patience to meet the worms learning curve. The only good NA wormers (shyguy, wza, saltyk9, Mablak, etc) all picked this game up 10+ years ago.
Also I think a good point to be made is that many players we see play this game because of inferior hardware, whereas USA players have typically benefitted from better and more available hardware components and thus playing newer games.
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i've been around... roping with skunk a few games.... kradie kicks me from his roper games....
i'll dl snooper and idle it
but yea most of the time i'm playin series x or csgo/watchin twitch idk lol
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There's been many Death of Worms Armageddon threads here on TUS, and oddly enough I don't think I ever related to this idea that WA online is dying. Just Imagine if all of the lurkers here on TUS, discord, and snooper, would just get online on Wormnet to host or look for games. But Instead I think they might spend their time looking for 1 or 2 particular people to arrange and play with.
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@biscojoe and @Kradie, I've deleted your last posts. Please keep the forums clean.
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The mole and mole forts culture a la 3 pizza Danger is very much alive!
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I think it's partly because of me but I feel the same way and even started to play offline more often because it's much easier to start playing.
Sometimes it's boring to play for fun with randoms or league with the same handful of players. Hundreds of players that I loved to play with left and that's why it feels so empty.
Lately I've been playing offline too, a lot. I can find games just fine (not easily like, say, two years ago, but not that rarely either), but it's more than not either Kaos, Shopper, rinse and repeat. I'm getting bored of that... Let's play together sometime and not just play at the same time, alone! :)
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I log on to WormNET at all times of day and never see much activity. Obviously, I am not saying the game is completely dead, but it is far from active IMO. Most of the time, the user count in AG is in the 40's or below, and as before, half (or more) of that number tend to be snoopers or bots and of the people who are actually in AG looking for a game, the vast majority of them are no-name noobs... and I am not saying that to be a jerk about things at all. It just is what it is and I am basing this on my own personal experience only. WA definitely saw a bit more activity last year thanks to the update and Covid, but the update didn't have the effect that many of us hoped, which is bringing long-time players out of hibernation. I don't think that WA will truly die anytime soon, but it's definitely not growing regardless of what those bogus Steam stats say. This game is old and niche and I can understand that. I'd be willing to bet that most 'gamers' don't really have an interest in playing something this old when there's shiny new stuff to sink time into on PC and consoles. I've been around as long as anyone in this game (literally day 1) and I have seen this game through every transition. Right now it is stagnant as f@#! and things are looking bleak to be honest. I used to get annoyed by AG being spammed by people looking for ranked games and clanners and now I'd kill to have that scene back. I miss the days when it was so busy that RH and AG both would be packed full of people arranging games. I guess I wouldn't care as much if I could only find some newer games that I actually want to play but I've come to realize that most modern games bore me or at best tend to have very limited replay value. I want the old schoolers to come back and start playing again and I want the people who lurk to actually play because I'm not trying to play shoppers and "normal" (f@#! off) and kaos with rando noobs lol. It's just not fun. Also, the vast majority of these newer players can't rope worth a f@#! so there's no challenge there either.
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Worms Armageddon is active enough, it might not be what you specifically want, however it's still active and highly competitive with great players.
The Intermediate community is thriving right now, CWT/ONL and those 80hp scheme Tournaments I was doing recently were awesome, Mole Shoppers are very popular and having a healthy amount of competition in various events(some hosted outside of TUS as well), there has been a few Hysteria Cups that were very active and organized.
You could always work your way through the TUS Big RR Challenges and see how you stack up against everyone else. Shtaket beat 6 of Mastas records earlier this year!
Whenever i've been online for a game, there has no issues finding people to play with using the schemes I enjoy, there were also some Challenges I done myself!
There is always something to do in this game, if you can't find it, it's your fault tbh. You're pretty fussy with what you play and who you play it with, that doesn't help your situation.
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Worms Armageddon is active enough, it might not be what you specifically want, however it's still active and highly competitive with great players.
The Intermediate community is thriving right now, CWT/ONL and those 80hp scheme Tournaments I was doing recently were awesome, Mole Shoppers are very popular and having a healthy amount of competition in various events(some hosted outside of TUS as well), there has been a few Hysteria Cups that were very active and organized.
You could always work your way through the TUS Big RR Challenges and see how you stack up against everyone else. Shtaket beat 6 of Mastas records earlier this year!
Whenever i've been online for a game, there has no issues finding people to play with using the schemes I enjoy, there were also some Challenges I done myself!
There is always something to do in this game, if you can't find it, it's your fault tbh. You're pretty fussy with what you play and who you play it with, that doesn't help your situation.
"Active enough" is completely subjective I guess. It's not active by my definition of of the word at all (or historical WA notions of what active means), and it's only even somewhat "active" at very specific times of day - basically evening in most of Europe. At just about any other time it's pitiful. (The time of this post, for example.)
I have no interest in working on challenges. If it's not an actual online match vs. a real person I can't be bothered. Playing the same map offline over and over again trying to get a perfect run is not my idea of a fun time (not to mention I'm sure it would destroy my hands), but kudos to people who enjoy that sort of endeavor. I'm also not fussy regarding what I play or who I play with. There's some schemes that I won't bother playing, but most of those are schemes that never get hosted anyway, like bungee race or something equally stupid. I also don't want to play with noobs who have no idea what they are doing. I don't mind taking the time to teach newcomers who have questions, but trying to enjoy a good match full of noobs and quitters quickly gets tiresome and I think most would agree.
I guess I also don't want to take the time to involve myself with various forums and groups just to be able to set up good matches. I've never been much for forums or even leagues. I can't remember the last time I checked the CWT or ONL corner of the internet. I barely check TUS. I just want there to be quality players in AG when I log on, ready and willing to play. Of course I know that is a lot to ask for these days but a man can dream. My experience lately with WA has been pretty boring because I can only occasionally get on during 'peak hours' because of work, and when I have a day off, the last thing I want to do in the middle of a nice summer day is sit on my ass indoors in front of a computer screen. I'll just continue to log on when I am able and hope for the best.
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skunk, your attitude towards this game and collective community in general feels pretty abysmal, you are such a downer about this game and act pretty ignorant and selfish towards people.
Your opinion of the definition of the word "active" is irrelevant, as by the actual English definition of the word in every dictionary there is, this game is active, and also engaging, that is not an opinion, it is not subjective, it's a fact.
"Active enough" is subjective though, and is true for myself and other people. Though i'm not going to deny i'd happily welcome even more activity!
Also, Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what the word active means. It's definitely not at it's peak, and it likely never will be again, nobody is arguing that. It might not be active in such a way that satisfies you, and there are parts of the game and people that are gone I wish would come back, that's life though, people move on, people adapt.
The game is still active though, that isn't even up for debate, it's literally a fact.
All these things you personally think are stupid, are parts of the game that are active and lots of other people enjoy.
It's your own problem you don't enjoy playing with inexperienced players. Quitters are sometimes frustrating though i'll give you that, though that isn't exclusive to this game, that happens everywhere in life.
It's your problem you don't enjoy playing offline to submit your times against others around the world, then again.
It's your problem you can't accept there is a vast galaxy of adventures and possibilities outside the world you are living in(metaphorically speaking of course).
People still make maps, even Mablak is posting world record runs for missions and deathmatch! People are streaming the game on Twitch including myself, the r/worms subreddit often has people asking about the game, Sensei has that massive Discord channel which has thousands of people, Deadcode & CyberShadow are still updating the game. People are playing Cups, Tournaments, Challenges, CWT will begin within 2 months and should be great! lalo told me the Southern American communities have a private Discord where they organize Elite Tournaments with each other and Adun streams them on Twitch often. Apparently there is a massive Russian community of wormers as well who play among themselves, sometimes some pretty big YouTubers streaming Worms matches.
These are all things which add to the activity of the game.
Every time i've logged on to WormNET in the past year there has always been multiple games hosted, and i've seen a healthy variation of schemes hosted, i've seen Ropers, Big RR, WxW, Shopper, Mole Shopper, Normal, BnG, Bungee, Kaos, Darts, Team17, Elite, TTRR, Warmer and the list goes on... Granted most of the games hosted are casual, though that still adds to the games activity.
Here is an idea, you could create your own Discord channel, with the express purpose of inviting all the people you like playing games with, so you can organize games with people that you deem good enough.
The main point being, just because things aren't the way you personally want them to be, doesn't mean the game is dead, or that it sucks, or that people are stupid, or that noobs are worthless.
You are not more important or better than everyone else, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Technically the game will never die because you can just rope around by yourself if you're bored... in terms of finding someone "on par" with your skill and roping... that can be hard... or when you host games and people quit on you, that can suck. It's just like Counter-Strike 1.6, that games been dead for a long time and people still play it... or they play 5v5 pick up games, yea it takes a long time to get 10 people into the server maybe but it happens... worms is an easier game to play by yourself then a first person shooter multiplayer game. It's definitely not what it once was... but I enjoy the games I play from time to time with skunk, I think he's really the only one I'll rope with or that is online and actually engages in conversation when you're playing... most don't... i get it most don't understand english either... it's hard with the timezones of the community, which is what makes the game itself awesome, the community of people from all over the world. Idk, it's all how you view it... but when you've played something from the start, it's never going to be the same. Shit, I remember when WormNET had ranks up and everything when you logged on... Ropers Heaven just packed with ropers... like roping was the meta during a time in worms, it was sick. I'm just glad to still be tappin' my spacebar and roping around. it's pretty sick on 1440p 165hz lol, you go to think that you used to play any scheme really on like 1024x768 max on a monitor that weighed more then yourself :D
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I think he's really the only one I'll rope with or that is online and actually engages in conversation when you're playing... most don't...
Maybe you and skunk simply don't relate to people you refer to as "most don't", and they purposely remain quiet because you don't say anything that's interesting or engaging to them? We're not all compatible with each other, especially with differences in age and culture.
It's like this story I heard Terry Crews talk about being a parent, as a very athletic and strong male type, who was into sports and stuff stuff, he struggled to connect and bond with his son, his son who is very nerdy and interested in technology and stuff, and he realized they were drifting apart, he was trying to encourage his son to take up his hobbies and his interests and his son wasn't interested.
Then it all changed for him when he realized that wasn't working, and to form a more meaningful bond with his son he should focus on trying to take an interest in his songs hobbies, now Terry Crews and his son do live streams on Twitch together, he's a major PC enthusiast now.
Maybe, this game and the community just don't relate to you anymore and you are beating yourselves up over it instead of either moving on, or embracing the changes.
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I think he's really the only one I'll rope with or that is online and actually engages in conversation when you're playing... most don't...
Maybe you and skunk simply don't relate to people you refer to as "most don't", and they purposely remain quiet because you don't say anything that's interesting or engaging to them? We're not all compatible with each other, especially with differences in age and culture.
It's like this story I heard Terry Crews talk about being a parent, as a very athletic and strong male type, who was into sports and stuff stuff, he struggled to connect and bond with his son, his son who is very nerdy and interested in technology and stuff, and he realized they were drifting apart, he was trying to encourage his son to take up his hobbies and his interests and his son wasn't interested.
Then it all changed for him when he realized that wasn't working, and to form a more meaningful bond with his son he should focus on trying to take an interest in his songs hobbies, now Terry Crews and his son do live streams on Twitch together, he's a major PC enthusiast now.
Maybe, this game and the community just don't relate to you anymore and you are beating yourselves up over it instead of either moving on, or embracing the changes.
I guess you misread what I said or I f@#!ed up how i pronounced it lol. I meant he's really the only one I'll rope with because nobody is online. at least on my time zone. he's also one of the OGs that still ropes this game. I've left snooper open for days.. in #ropersheaven and #ag... nobody hosts roper games (anything rope related) or BnG for the most part... i don't see any increase in community size, it just stays where its at which is cool. the games playable not saying it isn't... and i'm someone who loves change btw, so.. if the game is changing, cool. lol. i'm not even complaining, i love roping when i get the time too or if people are around even if i don't know who they are, it's fun. or i'll just do some offline games by myself, who cares? lol
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I guess you misread what I said or I f@#!ed up how i pronounced it lol.
I think he's really the only one I'll rope with or that is online and actually engages in conversation when you're playing... most don't...
You added "or" and "most don't".
Still, I was simply elaborating on possibilities, and giving examples.
I meant he's really the only one I'll rope with because nobody is online. at least on my time zone.
Yeah that's fine to pick and choose who you play with, the problem is how skunk complains about it, the way he blames everyone else and looks down on other people as if they are beneath him. If he simply said he doesn't like what Worms Armageddon has became, that's fine. If he could vent without insulting other people and acting superior.
We were all noobs at one point.
I've left snooper open for days.. in #ropersheaven and #ag... nobody hosts roper games (anything rope related) or BnG for the most part...
Granted I haven't actually physically played any games myself in the past few months, though i've been streaming a lot of Intermediate and spectating a lot of games even when i'm busy working on my own stuff, and I can assure you, there are still people hosting Big RR, Warmer, Roper, ZaR Roper, TTRR, WxW games, it's definitely not as much as it was many years ago, though still enough that I always find a game when online.
If I could honestly be bothered, i'd record it and prove it lol, i'm too lazy for such a little point though.
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https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/how-long-will-wa-survive-27800/
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https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/how-long-will-wa-survive-27800/
there were many more threads like this. here's 3 more started by skunk :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/who-actually-still-plays-32541/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/questions-for-those-who-are-inactive-stopped-playing-31655/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/active-31345/
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https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/how-long-will-wa-survive-27800/
there were many more threads like this. here's 3 more started by skunk :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/who-actually-still-plays-32541/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/questions-for-those-who-are-inactive-stopped-playing-31655/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/active-31345/
These types of threads are popular. :D
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there were many more threads like this. here's 3 more started by skunk :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/who-actually-still-plays-32541/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/questions-for-those-who-are-inactive-stopped-playing-31655/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/active-31345/
:D
2017 - 2018 - 2019 and now 2021, what happened to 2020...
Oh yeah...
So yeah I guess we'll see him again in 2022. ::)
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skunk, your attitude towards this game and collective community in general feels pretty abysmal, you are such a downer about this game and act pretty ignorant and selfish towards people.
Your opinion of the definition of the word "active" is irrelevant, as by the actual English definition of the word in every dictionary there is, this game is active, and also engaging, that is not an opinion, it is not subjective, it's a fact.
"Active enough" is subjective though, and is true for myself and other people. Though i'm not going to deny i'd happily welcome even more activity!
Also, Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what the word active means. It's definitely not at it's peak, and it likely never will be again, nobody is arguing that. It might not be active in such a way that satisfies you, and there are parts of the game and people that are gone I wish would come back, that's life though, people move on, people adapt.
The game is still active though, that isn't even up for debate, it's literally a fact.
All these things you personally think are stupid, are parts of the game that are active and lots of other people enjoy.
It's your own problem you don't enjoy playing with inexperienced players. Quitters are sometimes frustrating though i'll give you that, though that isn't exclusive to this game, that happens everywhere in life.
It's your problem you don't enjoy playing offline to submit your times against others around the world, then again.
It's your problem you can't accept there is a vast galaxy of adventures and possibilities outside the world you are living in(metaphorically speaking of course).
People still make maps, even Mablak is posting world record runs for missions and deathmatch! People are streaming the game on Twitch including myself, the r/worms subreddit often has people asking about the game, Sensei has that massive Discord channel which has thousands of people, Deadcode & CyberShadow are still updating the game. People are playing Cups, Tournaments, Challenges, CWT will begin within 2 months and should be great! lalo told me the Southern American communities have a private Discord where they organize Elite Tournaments with each other and Adun streams them on Twitch often. Apparently there is a massive Russian community of wormers as well who play among themselves, sometimes some pretty big YouTubers streaming Worms matches.
These are all things which add to the activity of the game.
Every time i've logged on to WormNET in the past year there has always been multiple games hosted, and i've seen a healthy variation of schemes hosted, i've seen Ropers, Big RR, WxW, Shopper, Mole Shopper, Normal, BnG, Bungee, Kaos, Darts, Team17, Elite, TTRR, Warmer and the list goes on... Granted most of the games hosted are casual, though that still adds to the games activity.
Here is an idea, you could create your own Discord channel, with the express purpose of inviting all the people you like playing games with, so you can organize games with people that you deem good enough.
The main point being, just because things aren't the way you personally want them to be, doesn't mean the game is dead, or that it sucks, or that people are stupid, or that noobs are worthless.
You are not more important or better than everyone else, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Why do you like arguing nonsense? Why do you feel that you must try to 'win' any conversation you engage in? This post has absolutely nothing to do with you but as always, you make it your holy duty to argue because you have no life.
My attitude about this game is based upon what I've seen with my own eyes. Every time you log on there's multiple games hosted? Well good for you! Many times when I log on there's no games hosted, or maybe one of something simple like a shopper. The game is frequently 'dead' by any reasonable understanding of the term. Of course we can argue semantics but that's pointless. Your opinion of my attitude is just your opinion, and your opinion sucks the vast majority of the time lol. Just look at a few of the 12,000+ posts you've made over the years and re-read a lot of the retarded shit you've said. You're a smug twat who tries to do or say anything you can to make yourself look better while putting others down.
I furthermore have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to me acting ignorant and selfish towards people. How am I acting selfish? How am I being ignorant? If me wishing that the game was more active and more full of old school players, then yeah... I'm definitely selfish. Guilty as charged! If me being ignorant means that I am unaware of ranked activities hosted on various forums, then I'm also guilty as charged there. Aside from that, I have no clue what you are talking about.
If you consider WA to be active, then good for you. I don't. 90%+ of the time I log on to WormNET there are less than 40 people in #AG and of those ~40 people, probably 2/3rds of them are snoopers and bots. Of course this doesn't reflect anyone who might be in the middle of a game, but still... that's not what any reasonable person would consider active, both in terms of historical WA activity and for most online multiplayer games in general. "Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what active means" - you. Why the f@#! would it not? You make no sense. The fact that the game is active is not "literally a fact." That's just... wrong.
As far as me not caring about offline challenges and stuff goes, that's simply my prerogative. It's not fun to *me.* I don't care about speedrunning deathmatches or doing time trials. That's not a "problem" but rather a matter of preference. I am not shitting on anyone for being into those sorts of things. All I said is that I'm not into it; not that other people should be ashamed about enjoying it.
I shouldn't have to organize an external site/forum/channel to arrange games. If people spent half as much time actually playing WA as they do lurking in such places, the game would be way more active and fun. People need to take that activity/chat to AG and make the game feel more alive. Then again, that's just my opinion.
Playing with random/noob players isn't fun, personally. They either quit or pose little to no challenge. Where's the fun in that, when the outcome is a foregone conclusion? Also, a lot of them barely speak English so there's that also. I don't mind playing with newcomers in a teaching context but for general gameplay fun it just doesn't work. Also, the list of games you claim to see hosted is far more variety than what I see whenever I get on. Hardly anyone hosts ropers aside from Kradie and his silly ZaR ropers or those Zillians hosting w2 ropers. I haven't seen anyone host a BnG in ages, nor a Bungee, Darts, Elite, TTRR or Warmer. Those basically never get hosted.
I never said that just because I don't like something then it doesn't exist. That's stupid and you're simply being disingenuous for the sake of winning an argument that you are engaged in with yourself because you are being you.. in other words, finding arguments where they don't exist and upping your post count.
All I want is what is best for the game - more in-game activity, more of a feeling of community, etc. I want old school players to actually boot up the game and play. I am not unhappy that new people are discovering the game and playing... in fact, I think it's great. However, what I don't like is logging on to WormNET and seeing almost nothing but randoms from Bumf@#!istan who keep hosting and joining the same handful of beginner schemes. I am glad that when *you* join AG you seem to see so much more activity and variety than I do. More fortunate timezone in general, I guess? All I know is that most of the time when I have a chance to play, the game isn't nearly as active as you make it out to be, and the scheme variety is also far more limited. Just sayin'.
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Why do you like arguing nonsense? Why do you feel that you must try to 'win' any conversation you engage in? This post has absolutely nothing to do with you but as always, you make it your holy duty to argue because you have no life.
You are the one that goes out of his way and comes here every year complaining, I enjoy discussing the positives of this game and it's community, while you dwell on your own subjective negatives. This entire thread isn't about me, it it literally about your perspective as you are the one who is unhappy and complaining. I am literally giving you information you could use to adapt and enjoy the game more.
I furthermore have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to me acting ignorant and selfish towards people.
Of course you don't, that is literally the definition of ignorance. Thank you for proving my point.
"Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what active means" - you. Why the f@#! would it not? You make no sense.
"Why the f@#! would it not?" - The definition of the word "active" has absolutely nothing to do with this game or it's past.
The fact that the game is active is not "literally a fact." That's just... wrong.
It is literally a fact that this game is active, this is not a debate.
I shouldn't have to organize an external site/forum/channel to arrange games.
Yeah skunk, blame the rest of the world for your lack of effort, that'll teach them!
If people spent half as much time actually playing WA as they do lurking in such places, the game would be way more active and fun. People need to take that activity/chat to AG and make the game feel more alive. Then again, that's just my opinion.
You sound like a dictator, people generally don't like dictators, they sound like dicks.
It's the same attitude I had while complaining about b2b not being as active as they used to be, blaming everyone else, instead of realizing they were all moving on doing different things, have different attitudes and I was stubborn.
Since then i've moved on, became more open minded, adapted, and feel much better for it.
Playing with random/noob players isn't fun, personally. They either quit or pose little to no challenge. Where's the fun in that, when the outcome is a foregone conclusion?
This is the exact kind of attitude i'm talking about... Hopelessly negative...
This absolutely sucks that I have to go here and use my own history though I will to prove a point, the only reason i'm going there is because you constantly go there comparing yourself to other people.
Nobody that I know of has ever considered you a top player at anything, you've always said you have no interest in Leagues so unfortunately we don't have League statistics to prove how low you are compared to the top players. Which is ridiculous as you constantly complain about not enough challenge yet you always avoided the very thing which presented the best challenge in the entire history of the game - Leagues.
Saying funners are just as serious is complete faff, there is never any pressure because nobody remembers who won and who lost, there are no playoffs, no records, nothing, without this pressure it's too easy.
You view "noobs" and "strangers" as posing little to no challenge, and quite honestly I look at you the same way regarding roping schemes.
You're too slow in Big RR and TTRR to beat any highly skilled player, you're too slow to win WxW on the longer maps that the highly skilled players play on, Roper is 50/50 and your best chance where even the best can lose to much lesser skilled ropers if the crates are lucky enough.
When it comes to Warmer, guys like myself, Mablak, Anubis, SaltyK9, Shadymilkman, Oijogja, Marco, FlowingWater, TheOne, Volrin, Wargod, Ropa, Tenchi, Jmoberg and others were so much more skilled than you, faster than you, more consistent than you,
Since you like to talk about how much "more active" WA used to be, back then you wouldn't be considered a threat in statistically recorded competitive games such as you find in a league.
The way you view other people as being little to no challenge can be compared to the difference in highly skilled players against you simply because you weren't on their level.
Look at this page - https://worms2d.info/Warmer, look at the notable players, is your name there? No.
This is all irrelevant though, i'd still play with you because it's fun just to play against other people regardless of how skilled they are! You will never improve if you don't push yourself.
Yes while you can learn and improve by playing better players in more challenging scenarios, you will also improve in roping schemes simply by challenging yourself and pushing yourself further, trying to beat your own previous performances, this is something you can do alone, so you can definitely do it with any other players regardles if they are better than you, or worse than you.
Playing with random players and noobs contribute to keeping the schemes we like and cherish active. Nobody is an expert at anything the first time.
The mere fact that you write off strangers and noobs does not help the situation you so desperately want to improve... To put it simply, your actions contradict your wishes.
Also, a lot of them barely speak English so there's that also.
They don't have to speak English to play the game.
Corujao even has a translator app installed on Discord so we can have a perfectly fine conversation about various things even though his English isn't great.
That guy is a inspiration! More people could benefit from imitating his enthusiasm!
I don't mind playing with newcomers in a teaching context but for general gameplay fun it just doesn't work.
People get better with practise, practise can be achieved through casual gameplay, that is fun to a lot of people!
Also, the list of games you claim to see hosted is far more variety than what I see whenever I get on.
Do you actually hang around a lot though? Do you only come on at specific times? Do you try different timezones?
To be honest I have absolutely no idea how long you wait for games, how you look for games, or what times you pop in on, as for me, I sit with 2 computers on so I can monitor #AG and Discord on my laptop, while playing other video games, studying, or watching something on my PC.
So not only do I constantly find games to play and enjoy them, while i'm in an active game i'm looking for and organizing games for when i've finished the current game in advance!
A lot of people these days organize games with their friends or specific interests via apps like Discord, welcome to the future.
The game is more active in the hours that are during early morning or late night for you, we all agree that your timezone is about the most inactive, though there are still ways you can find more games, or either host them yourself and learn to appreciate noobs.
Hardly anyone hosts ropers aside from Kradie and his silly ZaR ropers or those Zillians hosting w2 ropers. I haven't seen anyone host a BnG in ages, nor a Bungee, Darts, Elite, TTRR or Warmer. Those basically never get hosted.
Well, I started playing again about a week ago and i've already played a healthy amount of BnG, Big RR, TTRR, Hysteria with various people already, not to mention i've hosted a successful Tournament for the alternative to Intermediate scheme "80hp" earlier, which has some of the best players in the community like Dario, Albus, Rafka, Korydex participating, we even Mablak commentating and he is eager to join the 80hp Cup!
I've hosted several BnGs late at night in the past 2-3 nights and it's mostly people who have never played before, I don't even complain about them throwing sitters and 5s shots without LG or minimum bounce, it's just nice to see them play for a while, even if they quit because well, I have no mercy and I absolutely destroy them lol, some of them are inspired by seeing top players blow their minds, and when they are treated with respect and friendliness while witnessing something awesome, they are more likely to stay and ask questions and take it up as a hobby.
I've hosted almost a dozen Big RRs myself, and saw dozens more hosted via HostingBuddy and manual hosting.
Even in the past month i've seen multiple Darts games reported, and saw a few casuals hosted, although this is one of the least active schemes of all i've mentioned.
I've only seen a couple Bungee Races, though that is generally one of the least popular schemes ever.
ZaR Roper is still a Roper scheme, and it's a good scheme, w2 Roper is in my opinion the best "Roper" variation and the w2 guys are incredibly good!
Looking at the general activity of TUS in the past month alone:
Intermediate, Elite, Team17, Roper, Big RR, Darts, Abnormal, Aerial, Bungee Race, Kaos, Mole Shopper, Forts, Golf, WxW, Jetpack Race, BnG, Mine Madness, i've actually stopped scrolling now and that was only down to 19th July. That's like, just in 2 weeks.
I never said that just because I don't like something then it doesn't exist. That's stupid and you're simply being disingenuous for the sake of winning an argument...
I never said you did say that, so you are acting stupid there for thinking I did.
Read it again, carefully:
"You are not more important or better than everyone else, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist."
The point is that you don't like all those things that you've literally just went ahead and said you don't like or don't want to do or feel like other people should make the effort, and that does not mean the game is not active. Such things as using Discord to organize games, playing Challenges offline.
I don't care about winning an argument, I care about telling the truth and challenging your constant negativity, and i'll never stop challenging your constant negativity.
All I want is what is best for the game - more in-game activity, more of a feeling of community, etc. I want old school players to actually boot up the game and play. I am not unhappy that new people are discovering the game and playing... in fact, I think it's great. However, what I don't like is logging on to WormNET and seeing almost nothing but randoms from Bumf@#!istan who keep hosting and joining the same handful of beginner schemes. I am glad that when *you* join AG you seem to see so much more activity and variety than I do. More fortunate timezone in general, I guess? All I know is that most of the time when I have a chance to play, the game isn't nearly as active as you make it out to be, and the scheme variety is also far more limited. Just sayin'.
To begin with, there is absolutely no need for that racist and homophobic comment regarding what country someone is from and the sexual act you used as a play on words.
What is best for the game is very subjective depending on who you ask.
Let's say we're talking about activity and worthy challengers as those are 2 of your most repeated complaints over the past few years, added to the fact you just said you want more of a feeling of community.
Like, please explain to me how you hope to achieve that by not wanting to play people based on their level of skill and lack of understanding English?
You know what, there are lots of players from various countries whose English has improved over years of playing videos games and interacting with English speaking players.
You also don't need to speak another language to compete in TUS.
Not only are you unfortunate because of your timezone, you make things 10x worse by just being the way you are.
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wtf
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Komo, I truly don't want to come off as rude right now but you have GOT to get a life, buddy. I'm just going to reply to a few things, and probably not in order.
It is abundantly clear that we have very different opinions on basically everything and you put way too much stock into leagues. You remind me of someone who is perpetually stuck in a 'high school' sort of mentality. Your appeals to popularity or this worms 'inner circle' make me f@#!ing laugh. You seriously sound like a stereotypical 'mean popular girl' in some cheesy movie who tries to act like some sort of gatekeeper. You also have no current actual gauge of my skill level for any scheme because we essentially never play vs. each other (I think the last time was probably 2 years ago?), so all you are doing is just baselessly talking shit as per usual. FFS look at your post count, my guy. I can't hang in Big RR? lol... name 5 people who can consistently beat me in Big RR or WXW, and I am talking about people who are actually active. Before you do, I will just point out that your selections will probably be based upon no factual information, and possibly untrue to boot. I'm not bragging or trying to make any claims - all I am saying is that your opinions are flaccid because anyone who knows anything about the state of Big RR today knows where I'm at. I'm not unbeatable, but I can give ANYONE a run for their money and I am more than happy to prove that. In fact, the only player who I think might have a winning record on me in Big RR is probably Dibz, but even that isn't by a huge margin. As far as warmer goes, who gives a crap? I never even cared about warmer when it was popular lol. I joined a warmer contest and just flagpoled for my entire turn just to show how dumb I thought warmers were. The state of roping within the modern WA scene is what I predicted would happen a very long time ago - branching away from warmers and constantly trying to do named tricks and more about robotic efficiency and consistency. I play WA more often than most of the people who lurk on these boards and on Discord and I'm not even THAT active anymore compared to back in the day. In the last year I think I've seen one warmer hosted...maybe? Warmers are a relic of the past dude, and so is TTRR. I'm not saying they never get hosted. Sure, they probably do rarely here and there (not when I'm around) but they are exceedingly rare in any case and any attempt to argue to the contrary is just plain false unless they just so happen to only get hosted when I'm sleeping or at work, which I nonetheless doubt. And darts? Yeah, haven't seen one of those in years. 99% (an estimate, obviously) of the games I see hosted in AG are Kaos, Intermediate, Shopper, Mole Shopper, WXW, Big RR, Supersheeper, and Hysteria. Anything other than those is pretty damn rare.
We can also argue the definition of 'active' until we're blue in the face but if you consider a user count of ~40-ish in AG (with half of them being snoopers) 'active' then I don't know what to tell you. I've been in AG at all times of the day recently and in years past and it's seldom poppin' off anymore. I've not liked snooper programs ever since they hit the WA scene. I understand that some people like such tools but I don't because it pulls people out of the game. Furthermore, I'd argue that my attitude is not "hopelessly negative," but realistic. Your inferred claim that league stats is the only real indicator of skill is totally absurd and I couldn't care less if nobody you know has ever considered me a top player at anything. First of all, imagine giving a shit about being a top WA player in 2021. lmao. Second, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one. Third, not everyone is a sweaty tryhard EVERY game they play. Some people play for fun and like to get a buzz on and play with friends. Sometimes I am hyper-focused and play to win and other times I'm just mindlessly playing some Worms while I work on several other things at once. As far as the noobs go, I'm not dissing them for being noobs. Everyone was a noob at some point. All I am saying is that if I have time to game I would much rather spend that time playing against people who I know are going to be skilled. That's not to say that I don't play with any noobs. It's just not as fun (unless they chat and are cool to talk to) and I think anyone with a shred of sensibility would agree with that. As far as the list of old rope pros that you mentioned, only one of them is even somewhat active anymore. The rest of them haven't been around for years or even more than a decade at this point and I am sure that a lot of people probably don't even know who some of them are. I've also played with a few of them when they 'came back' to the game (for a very short time, obviously) and they were not nearly as good as they once were.
Of course people don't have to be able to speak English to play the game, but if I am going to befriend them and get to know them via long chats in-game, they have to be able to read and write English to a decent degree because the only other language I know is Spanish and I'm pretty shit at it.
"racist and homophobic comment" - go virtue signal to someone who cares lol.. wank wank
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Please add some space in between your text. Currently it looks pretty jammed together and bad. :-\
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I'm looking for funners or leagues matches in great part of the day. But the few games I play is with people I already know from leagues. It's not being easy to find new people.
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died after 2004
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alive and kicking, thanks for your input jiddy.
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since i started to play i never seen skunk but he said he would delete all his 700games out of steam to keep w:a :-X
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since i started to play i never seen skunk but he said he would delete all his 700games out of steam to keep w:a :-X
I still play fairly often. I took a break for a while to get into Elden Ring, but that's about it. Also, it's summer and I tend to game less when the weather is nice. I don't usually stick around in AG for too long. If I see it's dead I am not going to wait around for people to show up. I get on WormNET at random times of the day and no matter what time I get on, it's always pretty much dead despite what anyone might say. There might be a few people here and there playing cups or whatever but let's be honest - this game is on life support lol. (And has been for a very long time.)
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died after 2004
I'd say 2007-ish, but yeah. The 'glory days' of WA were definitely 99-07 IMO. Ever since then there's been little revivals in popularity but they never last too long and weren't as active as back then.
It is now a year after I originally wrote this post and my opinion hasn't changed one bit, and in fact the average user count that I see on WormNET is even less than it was a year ago, and I am going into the game at all times of day, including 'peak' hours. It's basically a ghost town. Kaos/mole/shopper. No-name noobs. Old schoolers nowhere to be found. No chatting in AG going on. In short, I was right then and I'm right now.
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Skunk 🦨 is on life support. When the skunk press space it stinks, so you better collect a health crate when you see one.
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died after 2004
I'd say 2007-ish, but yeah. The 'glory days' of WA were definitely 99-07 IMO. Ever since then there's been little revivals in popularity but they never last too long and weren't as f@#! as back then.
It is now a year after I originally wrote this post and my opinion hasn't changed one bit, and in fact the average user count that I see on WormNET is even less than it was a year ago, and I am going into the game at all times of day, including 'peak' hours. It's basically a ghost town. Kaos/mole/shopper. No-name noobs. Old schoolers nowhere to be found. No chatting in AG going on. In short, I was right then and I'm right now.
I WAS there from 2002 to 2007. All I could see was Intermediate and Forts games to which I was joining out of lack of choice. 1-2 people played those schemes regularly and soon I said goodbye to it. I then returned in 2013, seeing some update advertised on Ytube. That was also when Prince (Egypt) introduced me to Worm Olympics, because he needed a teammate. I also realised that my favourite schemes were in those Worm Olympics as well (Plop War, WfW, Aerial, Mine Madness) and that made me fall in love with this game like never before. I then met NouS, Mycy, Mazinger and all the other people who were so down-to-earth, that they were digging corridors underground, just like me.
Skunk, it doesn't hurt to play in clanners or in 2vs2 matches, or else how possibly you could share memorable moments with other people from this game?
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died after 2004
I'd say 2007-ish, but yeah. The 'glory days' of WA were definitely 99-07 IMO. Ever since then there's been little revivals in popularity but they never last too long and weren't as f@#! as back then.
It is now a year after I originally wrote this post and my opinion hasn't changed one bit, and in fact the average user count that I see on WormNET is even less than it was a year ago, and I am going into the game at all times of day, including 'peak' hours. It's basically a ghost town. Kaos/mole/shopper. No-name noobs. Old schoolers nowhere to be found. No chatting in AG going on. In short, I was right then and I'm right now.
I WAS there from 2002 to 2007. All I could see was Intermediate and Forts games to which I was joining out of lack of choice. 1-2 people played those schemes regularly and soon I said goodbye to it. I then returned in 2013, seeing some update advertised on Ytube. That was also when Prince (Egypt) introduced me to Worm Olympics, because he needed a teammate. I also realised that my favourite schemes were in those Worm Olympics as well (Plop War, WfW, Aerial, Mine Madness) and that made me fall in love with this game like never before. I then met NouS, Mycy, Mazinger and all the other people who were so down-to-earth, that they were digging corridors underground, just like me.
Skunk, it doesn't hurt to play in clanners or in 2vs2 matches, or else how possibly you could share memorable moments with other people from this game?
Been there, done that. If all you saw in 2002-2007 was fort and intermediate, I have no idea what to say but maybe you had bad luck? Back then there were so many more schemes hosted than that.
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instead of bitching about how dead this game is, we should say a f@#!ing hallelujah that WA is still around and being played in 2022 and will be in 2023 too ;) I've seen a couple of times what time periods you come up to AG and look for a game and that is GMT 6 am- until 10 am usually :) you do know that we, europeans are usually asleep or at work these times, right? that is the "ghost-town" you see from the US at that period. I think you have never seen the peek of players and activity before..? :D
I think you should go back and play Rocket League skunk, and leave WA for the players who actually play it..? ::)
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you do know that we, europeans are usually asleep or at work these times, right? that is the "ghost-town" you see from the US at that period.
You actually hit the spot there Lupa
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instead of bitching about how dead this game is, we should say a f@#!ing hallelujah that WA is still around and being played in 2022 and will be in 2023 too ;) I've seen a couple of times what time periods you come up to AG and look for a game and that is GMT 6 am- until 10 am usually :) you do know that we, europeans are usually asleep or at work these times, right? that is the "ghost-town" you see from the US at that period. I think you have never seen the peek of players and activity before..? :D
I think you should go back and play Rocket League skunk, and leave WA for the players who actually play it..? ::)
Maybe you missed the part where I specifically mentioned that I get on WA at all times of day, including 'peak European hours.' It doesn't matter what time of day I get on, the game is dead as f@#! and most veteran players are nowhere to be found the vast majority of the time.
I guarantee that I play WA far more than you do.
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instead of bitching about how dead this game is, we should say a f@#!ing hallelujah that WA is still around and being played in 2022 and will be in 2023 too ;) I've seen a couple of times what time periods you come up to AG and look for a game and that is GMT 6 am- until 10 am usually :) you do know that we, europeans are usually asleep or at work these times, right? that is the "ghost-town" you see from the US at that period. I think you have never seen the peek of players and activity before..? :D
I think you should go back and play Rocket League skunk, and leave WA for the players who actually play it..? ::)
Maybe you missed the part where I specifically mentioned that I get on WA at all times of day, including 'peak European hours.' It doesn't matter what time of day I get on, the game is dead as f@#! and most veteran players are nowhere to be found the vast majority of the time.
I guarantee that I play WA far more than you do.
You care too much about people that doesn't play anymore. They simply don't matter anymore, and the game is just fine without them.
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You care too much about people that doesn't play anymore. They simply don't matter anymore, and the game is just fine without them.
Didn't you know Kradie? You can't possibly matter to skunk, if you don't play for at least 20 years, or ideally for 25 years (since Worms 2 first demo release). Before this happens you are just some new meaningless rookie, who doesn't contribute to any "gold days of WA" because your body's spine is not twisted enough for you to be proclaimed "veteran of WA" :-[
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skunk3 is correct regarding the drop of activity but at the same time, those of us who stayed don't care. So what? We're still enjoying the game.
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I probably arrange about 80% of my games on discord, i think a lot of other players also use discord to find games. This has a big impact on AG activity as fewer people use it in the community to find matches.
This probably doesn't help for old schoolers coming back and thinking there is little activity, or new players unaware of the discord worm servers.
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20+ years number of terrains was ~30. Now we have 60+ (?)
20+ years game was turn based. Now we have realtime feature.
And that's just 2 things from top of my mind that players did in last year. Not bad for a dead game. Activity is not the best, we all see that. But community is far from dying.
Skunk, these veterans stories.. Come on man. You've been saying same shit for a decade now. 90% of people you're wishing to come back were some stoned 16 yr olds, like you were back then. You had fun and at some point it stopped and life moved on. Stop glorifying them.
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Worms isn't dead, Mablak and ruffledbricks still breaking new ground on speedrunning:
People still creating content, great activity for a 22 year old game!
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im trying to get various tournament-oriented discord servers to host tourneys. this also means involving none of you nor most of TUS infrastructure (I will most likely use challonge), because I don't want to bring in elitism or ruin the fun with sweaty tryhards
if someone gets salty over the last sentence, this will prove the point
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im trying to get various tournament-oriented discord servers to host tourneys. this also means involving none of you nor most of TUS infrastructure
And you came to TUS to post that ::)
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"game is only random noobs" and i'm sure you're being so nice to them and encouraginh them to learn and play more
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The problem on activity is that nowadays the lil putos does not want play WA..only PS5 ou new PC games... and us when are around 40..yes iam 39 now hauhauha mostly dont have time to play as b4, well atleast me, my life is f@#!ing busy! work / wife / kid / travel and others stuff, but ill show WA to my lil prince very soon ae.
WA gave me something that i think was the best thing. Gringos Friends and Learn english for free cos king xD
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my life is f@#!ing busy! work / wife / kid / travel and others stuff, but ill show WA to my lil prince very soon ae.
will be waiting for your child to grow older and face us in big rr, roper, elite, jetpack race, boom race etc P: :D
everyone make sure that ur kids will be using the language filter when joining wormnet and parental supervision while playing xD
registration & moderation on wormnet should be available as well!
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skunk3 is correct regarding the drop of activity but at the same time, those of us who stayed don't care. So what? We're still enjoying the game.
In all my time of playing WA I think I might have seen you on WormNET less times than I can count using my 2 hands unless you are going by some alias I am not aware of.
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20+ years number of terrains was ~30. Now we have 60+ (?)
20+ years game was turn based. Now we have realtime feature.
And that's just 2 things from top of my mind that players did in last year. Not bad for a dead game. Activity is not the best, we all see that. But community is far from dying.
Skunk, these veterans stories.. Come on man. You've been saying same shit for a decade now. 90% of people you're wishing to come back were some stoned 16 yr olds, like you were back then. You had fun and at some point it stopped and life moved on. Stop glorifying them.
I don't really care about extra terrain themes. They are cool and all but that doesn't address the core of the problem.
Also, realtime is a feature that barely ever gets used. It was popular for a short time and that's it.
Little by little the community is dying. Of course the game isn't completely dead (as in zero players) but it's a far cry from what it used to be. The level of competition is nowhere near as high and the average skill level 'per capita' isn't as high either. This is because most of the best players no longer play and that's just a simple fact. I'm sure WA is still thriving for those who like Kaos, Mole, and Shopper though. ::) It is the people who make the in-game community fun and engaging and now there just really isn't much of what I'd consider a community because most of the cool/funny/skilled/dedicated players are gone. Yeah, I'm aware that we have this forum and various Discord channels but that's no substitution for being in-game and interacting with people. That's just how *I* feel about it, anyhow.
This is my favorite game of all time and it just really sucks to jump on WormNET and see nobody but a small handful of random noobs. Most of these new players either can't figure out how to use in-game chat or are too lazy to do so, so there's no getting to know people and develop friendships in a lot of cases. WA back in the day felt way more connected than it is today and that's why I bring it up so often.
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and it is true--- but what can we do about it ?`pay a influencer to spread w:a to humanity^ if u do so maybe more new players than worms ever had
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Anyway without the so called 'noobs', WormNET would be even more desert, at least they keep the server active and it shows there is still an interest in the game. Don't forget that everyone was a noob before becoming a top player. When I came back in december 2020 I hoped WormNET was still a thing, and when I came back I still remembered how to play shopper, how to do some stuff and eventually decided to stay there and even met some people.
I am not saying that "now is better than before", but let's not forget that keeping a server alive costs money, and every newbie that comes even to play with other friends newbie still shows activity. Any of us can still show them how many things you can do with this game and, on a long run, they could become more interested, as I became when I came here for the first time ever (and in the past, for newbies it was even tougher).
I instead like the fact that the community is not so big but not so small either. I admire the old players (still around or not) who were so talented and I wish I could become like some of them, and I like enthusiastic newcomers that came for an occasional game and had become an active member of the community :)
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I will always repeat that the main problem will always be the hosting issue. Without solving this, the game will not grow, because you can't even play with your own friends easily. It's just not very attractive to say to people play a game that you can't even have fun with your own gameplay style as a host. Team17 is the real problem. I think only if the company do something or maybe if the devs talk to them and reach an agreement things would change significantly.
Right now I do support any update to the game, like new terrains, new scheme options, real time, soundbanks played for every player (without needing to download packs), etc... All effort by volunteer and free work of the devs is amazing, these updates will keep me playing and interested on this community, but all of that will not solve the problem of not being able to host. It is like having a cancer in the face and use a make up to hide it.
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Activity in the game is slowing to a trickle compared to what it once was.
There's hardly any long-time players who are active anymore. Most of the people in AG are snooping (2/3rds at least) and the people who are in there are just random noobs. Clanners are dead. I rarely see any sort of ranked games hosted for any league. I've been busy this summer but I've also tried to make time to play WA when I can and every time I sign on (no matter the time of day) it's a disappointment. I haven't checked TUS in long time and from what I can tell, even this forum is half dead. It looks like the same posts that I saw last time I logged in here are still at the top with hardly any new replies. At this rate it makes me wonder how much longer the servers will even be running.
Skunkeee ;p
I guess life just goes on and most ppl dont have so much time for games as they used to, still love wa but havent played in a long while.
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[Well I've started playing after taking a bit of a break it is a mixed bag of toxic people, and patient people but the thing i don't understand is why people join then leave immediately or only play a few turns, even just playing through one round is ok but people aren't making the community any better. Handle is grogu853 also if you want to play i post on discord and i play anything except RR and shopa
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hey grogu85 :D WELCOME to tus. yes thats because the people you play with are maybe noobs.. here you find much different minded people to play with but it can be a bit hard for you in the beginning to keep up with =) i hope the others notice you and welcome you too and give you some discord servers for example
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most of the old active players like 35 + most be married kids jobs no time to play
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hey grogu85 :D WELCOME to tus. yes thats because the people you play with are maybe noobs.. here you find much different minded people to play with but it can be a bit hard for you in the beginning to keep up with =) i hope the others notice you and welcome you too and give you some discord servers for example
Thank you and maybe some are noobs but I'm going to try to set up a custom game T17 with cak rules - the attack from rope obviously.