Will you be more active on WA when 3.8 comes?

[skunk3]

I wish someone would just ban that Shadow-The-Worm guy because he posts nothing but nonsense.

Anyway...

I respect the hard work involved with the 3.8 update but I feel that it's far too late coming. If this update came out several years ago it might be a bit different but nowadays W:A is nothing like it used to be. I almost feel bad for those involved with making this happen because they put in so much time and effort making an update that won't be appreciated nearly as much as it should be. Rarely do I see any familiar names on WormNET unless they are snooping / afk. There's nothing about this update that I think will entice inactive veterans to start playing again, and to be honest, I don't care about playing games with random noobs; especially those who don't speak English or understand basics like scheme rules. So on one hand I am pleased to know that an update is incoming, but on the other, any happiness is instantly washed away by the recognition that the update isn't likely to bring back the "good ol' days" of W:A and the experience is essentially going to remain the same.

[Sensei]

It's never too late for an update. Most of the ppl that left, left because of personal reasons.
Ppl that were active in ranked tus games were there just for money last few years when numbers were still good.
Did you all forget how Asbest got dozens of newbies to get involved in league and play vs him, just so he can get enough pts for spot in playoffs. All that for 10$!
I know it's Asbest and he's not a real mirror of the Worms scene, but he wasn't the only one active just because of the money prizes. And that's the truth. These ppl would leave either way, 3.8 out or not.

I'm quite tired of posts that goes like: "I'm grateful for our community devs and appreciate their work, but.."

You gotta understand that there's no "but's" when you're receiving an update for a game 20 yrs old that's abandoned by its developers for last ~18 years.

[lovEvilution]

Agree Sensei. Well said. No buts... show some damn appreciation!

[TheKomodo]

Well Sensei, you make a good point...

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

[Kradie]

Happy to be part of this game and the community. Witnessing new updates, and transition into a new era of WA.

Worms Armageddon should have a timeline of its different periods. Beginning, 3.5 Update, Color update, CE league, and so on.

I call this Modern Era, ever since 3.7...

[lolicon-guy]

Sensei, I can not agree.

A game isn't like your typical straight-to-point software; whether you think it makes some or no sense, it's just that most people think of it as "it's just the media", with all pros and cons from the concept. If you ask me, and considering CyberShadow seems generally focused on the networking part and derivates, I would have prefered that DeadCode focused on the "visible" changes more than the internals (i.e. I get it you'd want a "clean environment" before doing "major" stuff such as WWP's backwards port, but don't forget, albeit WWP was made on top of WA, it was without DeadCode's fixes!).
The sad fact is, that unless you're making a PacMan-kind of short game, it's inhuman to be alone taking proper care of the whole codebase in a short time, and expect just everything to be nice and tight. That includes hobby projects, or else they get stuck for a long time. Compatibility on newer systems is always welcome, but otherwise, if a function works well and respecting target system/specs, you have to let it go, unless you couldn't avoid needing a speed-up or an optimization somewhere. For every game I've seen its code so far, they all have a collection of rubbish code somewhere anyway.
Not saying what DC "should" do, I'm just trying to point out a functional workflow or something like that. Please don't be pedantic at taking me literally, you know what I actually mean.

Either that and/or an artblock (i.e. lack of money, personal issues), I can't find any other reason for slow updates. I "should" be thankful that there's a dev willing to submit updates at all, butt I'm part of the public so I'm free to at least analyze whatever official info I get and maybe comment it; the self-imposed deadlines have been missed twice if I'm correct? I'm not anyone to judge because I'm being cynical AF here, but I can tell by experience that's a big no-no, feels like the dev has some serious issue and should get help, perhaps not precisely with the code. Don't get me wrong, nothing personal against DC of course, but this all is outright weird, everyone sees it, people wants to comment on it.

So yes, all together I find it completely fine to have "but's". For one, it is completely fine to question or wonder about missed promises. I can't talk for others, but when I point out those "but's", is because I actually worry. I worry when a person can't meet their own goals. The people who comments the ISSUE, deep down they worry. Everyone worry about things they love and hate, even a killer psychopath does because he needs a reason to act. See, I know I'm not entitled to anything; it's free, personal work, and I'm a nobody to him, therefore I couldn't have the same expectations as I would on a professional product. It's fully personal, even if behind Team17's curtain. But have some empathy, I don't care if none of this affects me, why else would anyone read any news anyway? And if I actually wanted to meddle, he can be found in the chat. Please don't tell me how "should" I think.

With good vibes, I hope DC gets a better time in his life.

[skunk3]

It's never too late for an update. Most of the ppl that left, left because of personal reasons.
Ppl that were active in ranked tus games were there just for money last few years when numbers were still good.
Did you all forget how Asbest got dozens of newbies to get involved in league and play vs him, just so he can get enough pts for spot in playoffs. All that for 10$!
I know it's Asbest and he's not a real mirror of the Worms scene, but he wasn't the only one active just because of the money prizes. And that's the truth. These ppl would leave either way, 3.8 out or not.

I'm quite tired of posts that goes like: "I'm grateful for our community devs and appreciate their work, but.."

You gotta understand that there's no "but's" when you're receiving an update for a game 20 yrs old that's abandoned by its developers for last ~18 years.

Respectfully, I disagree on some points.

While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again. Had this update come out years ago it could have possibly enticed people to come back to the game, or stay active, or at the very least stay active longer than they normally otherwise would have due to life. My opinion on the matter is that at this point the update will do little to nothing in terms of getting older players to come back, and tbh that's all I really care about. I'd take a bunch of old buddies being consistently active again over this update any day because W:A is ultimately all about the community. No matter how well the game gets updated, it really doesn't matter to me if AG is full of afk snoopers and random noobs every time I log on.

I also don't believe that those who were active with ranked play were doing so only for the money. In fact I'd bet that the money had little to nothing to do with it, especially when we are talking about such small prizes. Besides, people were playing ranked for years and years before any sort of a cash prize was ever offered. As far as Asbest goes, who would possibly deign to know the mind of a sad, Russian troll?

I think that 'buts' are entirely permissible because we are talking about personal opinions and feelings. I absolutely respect the hard work of everyone who maintains W:A to this day. However, I think it's too little, too late. That's just my opinion though, and to state or even infer that people shouldn't be allowed any 'buts' on this topic is just an attempt at controlling behavior, or at best shaming people.

[j0e]

Respectfully, I disagree on some points.

While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again. Had this update come out years ago it could have possibly enticed people to come back to the game, or stay active, or at the very least stay active longer than they normally otherwise would have due to life. My opinion on the matter is that at this point the update will do little to nothing in terms of getting older players to come back, and tbh that's all I really care about. I'd take a bunch of old buddies being consistently active again over this update any day because W:A is ultimately all about the community. No matter how well the game gets updated, it really doesn't matter to me if AG is full of afk snoopers and random noobs every time I log on.

I also don't believe that those who were active with ranked play were doing so only for the money. In fact I'd bet that the money had little to nothing to do with it, especially when we are talking about such small prizes. Besides, people were playing ranked for years and years before any sort of a cash prize was ever offered. As far as Asbest goes, who would possibly deign to know the mind of a sad, Russian troll?

I think that 'buts' are entirely permissible because we are talking about personal opinions and feelings. I absolutely respect the hard work of everyone who maintains W:A to this day. However, I think it's too little, too late. That's just my opinion though, and to state or even infer that people shouldn't be allowed any 'buts' on this topic is just an attempt at controlling behavior, or at best shaming people.

The particular people you miss may or may not come back, but you can still log on most times of the day and find a decent match. Your opponent might not speak English, and you might not recognize their nicknames, but there are lots of good players who still play. You sometimes have to be willing to face noobs in order to find them - there are a lot of aliasers, or simply good players with plain and unfamiliar nicknames. This is fine with me since I play for the game itself, not the social aspect. I think with 3.8 this activity can only improve. I think seeing such a big update will instill appreciation and commitment into the minds of many players, especially those who had not tried Rubberworm before.

One possible next step I've mentioned before: if someone were to make an auto-translate wormkit module using Yandex's free translate API, we could fully remove those communication barriers and really open this game up to the world. Unicode support (for Chinese etc) could be added by replacing the native chat window with an identical-looking overlay, which should be possible now that W:A is windowed.  Or hot-swapping character-set sprites might be possible with a wormkit module. Either of those would be so offensively hacky they would disgust Deadcode enough that he might add it officially in the next patch .

People looking for other skilled players can also join the Discord server https://discord.gg/8ENjbd or use Steam friend lists to organize games. Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games. Also remember that just because the game has become boring for you doesn't mean it's actually dead. This new update should spark lots of creative new schemes, especially with StepS' scheme creation contest (with cash prizes).

[Sensei]

Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. 

While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again.

I don't know where you're getting all this negativity from. It feels like you, me, and couple of other ppl around here doing same conversations over and over again. "Interesting/fun/skilled players are gone" Cmon dude. What you're saying right now is outright lame! You're living in some kind of a 'last century WA bubble', not letting anyone come close to it cause it may burst eventually.. If you really believe in words you just said, then you're delusional as well.
LilScrappy - couple of weeks ago this was just a name I knew from few of our twitch big rr/aerial sessions when he would jump in and chat about WA. Then I started seeing him in games every night and we got to talk. I mentioned poker one night and he revealed he's playing poker for living. Week after I see him hosting Big RR tournament on TUS with 200$ prize pool. Not interesting enough for you?

Legion was a nick never to be seen around Wormnet, until 2019. Then he started joining community chats/games, he made a program that lets you make your own Big RR map in few clicks.. Not to mention he's one of the scariest big rope racers in the game right now, especially when it comes to challenges. Not skilled enough for you?

Cueshark is a grown ass man,40+, got kids to feed.. came back to wa recently and enjoying every minute he gets to play it. Making new schemes, posting new youtube vids.. Voice chatting, drinking beers and having good time with anyone who's online. Not to mention guy is a fkn community legend. I also bet he's more thrilled to see a total newbie getting interested in WA after 20 yrs, than to play again with any other legend from old era.  Not fun enough for you?


I see you come online, host a game in 2 seconds and close it in next 10 seconds. 12 seconds of your lobby time is not actually "i'm looking for some fun time, so came to socialise on wormnet" kind of style. You keep distancing from community while also keep saying everyone suck nowadays. I don't see any sense of you keep playing WA with this attitude. Personally, I would be long gone if feeling this way.

Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games.

We're getting some great numbers there and lot of newcomers getting interested in the game. Community is where props need to be given, not me! Appreciate your words, nevertheless.
 

[lolicon-guy]

Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. 

Meh

Please don't be pedantic at taking me literally, you know what I actually mean.

"Why you have to be a d"... *cough* I'm not the one trolling here.

[LilScrappy94]

People come and go, but the game is still alive.

The community always been great, many people bring their personal touch to it, trying to build things.
I remember worms-league.com, blamethepixel ... Many many projects has been done and many are still to come.
This is not what i call a dead game or community

I play many games, as a casual for some, profesionally for others. Worms community is one of the best when its about creativity.

cheers guys, 3.8 is coming soon 

[Kradie]

I've been telling people to stop living in a bubble, and just meet new active players. At first I thought LilScrappy aka DawgyStyle was just another alias, but I was wrong! Game still strong!

Back in the days when an update came, people were hyped and just happy to get it. Today, new and current people can be hyped and appreciative over new update, just like old times. So I think this 3.8 update will hold us together. So in 10 years time, maybe today's current players will complain about WA not being the same So who cares, time marches on.

[skunk3]

Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. 

While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again.

I don't know where you're getting all this negativity from. It feels like you, me, and couple of other ppl around here doing same conversations over and over again. "Interesting/fun/skilled players are gone" Cmon dude. What you're saying right now is outright lame! You're living in some kind of a 'last century WA bubble', not letting anyone come close to it cause it may burst eventually.. If you really believe in words you just said, then you're delusional as well.
LilScrappy - couple of weeks ago this was just a name I knew from few of our twitch big rr/aerial sessions when he would jump in and chat about WA. Then I started seeing him in games every night and we got to talk. I mentioned poker one night and he revealed he's playing poker for living. Week after I see him hosting Big RR tournament on TUS with 200$ prize pool. Not interesting enough for you?

Legion was a nick never to be seen around Wormnet, until 2019. Then he started joining community chats/games, he made a program that lets you make your own Big RR map in few clicks.. Not to mention he's one of the scariest big rope racers in the game right now, especially when it comes to challenges. Not skilled enough for you?

Cueshark is a grown ass man,40+, got kids to feed.. came back to wa recently and enjoying every minute he gets to play it. Making new schemes, posting new youtube vids.. Voice chatting, drinking beers and having good time with anyone who's online. Not to mention guy is a fkn community legend. I also bet he's more thrilled to see a total newbie getting interested in WA after 20 yrs, than to play again with any other legend from old era.  Not fun enough for you?


I see you come online, host a game in 2 seconds and close it in next 10 seconds. 12 seconds of your lobby time is not actually "i'm looking for some fun time, so came to socialise on wormnet" kind of style. You keep distancing from community while also keep saying everyone suck nowadays. I don't see any sense of you keep playing WA with this attitude. Personally, I would be long gone if feeling this way.

Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games.

We're getting some great numbers there and lot of newcomers getting interested in the game. Community is where props need to be given, not me! Appreciate your words, nevertheless.

Those who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.

I enjoy the game itself with the various schemes, but what really makes Worms special for me is the community of people who I have gotten to know over the past 20+ years. Every time someone becomes inactive for whatever reason, I find that my enjoyment of the game diminishes little by little.

When I log onto WormNET I rarely see any familiar names that aren't snooping. Rather than join an Intermediate hosted by some unknown Argentinian, I typically just host up a Big RR for myself to practice. I'll play a few games and log off. It doesn't take long to scan the player list, so there's no need to sit around in AG longer than a few seconds. I am not distancing myself from anyone nor am I insulting anyone aside from random noobs, lol.

I used to get so sick of people spamming chat with "(fill in current league/ladder name) NE1?" and people trying to set up clanners and stuff. Ironically, I'd actually love to see that kind of commitment again, even if I don't personally enjoy playing in leagues.

[Kradie]

Those who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.

So let me get this straight....  In skill wise, everyone has to rope super duper fast like saltyk9, Anubis, Mablak, Fudo, Noentity,, and so on to make them interesting? A human being at decent skill level can be much as interesting in WA as any  other high skilled human. There aren't much ropers around with high speed as it once were, but that doesn't make people boring. Same goes for land schemes.

Instead of emphasizing how much you miss the past, wish things were like the past, try instead to be some sort of a mentor to the current generation wormers. Show interest, show moves in various of schemes that they don't know about. Impress them with your knowledge and moves. Yes it can be tiring, boring, and so on. Some might not even care and just quit, I have dealt with that a lot and it is frustrating.

Many on Worms don't even know about this update, and once it will be released, people will be shocked, that a 20 year old game got a new fresh update! I am sure it will help WA in some capacity to gain interest of others. WA still sells well on Steam too, so it's not like it is dying. So don't give up hope! Get out off your bubble and seize the opportunity

[skunk3]

Those who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.

So let me get this straight....  In skill wise, everyone has to rope super duper fast like saltyk9, Anubis, Mablak, Fudo, Noentity,, and so on to make them interesting? A human being at decent skill level can be much as interesting in WA as any  other high skilled human. There aren't much ropers around with high speed as it once were, but that doesn't make people boring. Same goes for land schemes.

Instead of emphasizing how much you miss the past, wish things were like the past, try instead to be some sort of a mentor to the current generation wormers. Show interest, show moves in various of schemes that they don't know about. Impress them with your knowledge and moves. Yes it can be tiring, boring, and so on. Some might not even care and just quit, I have dealt with that a lot and it is frustrating.

Many on Worms don't even know about this update, and once it will be released, people will be shocked, that a 20 year old game got a new fresh update! I am sure it will help WA in some capacity to gain interest of others. WA still sells well on Steam too, so it's not like it is dying. So don't give up hope! Get out off your bubble and seize the opportunity

No, that is not what I said or even inferred. Skill speaks for itself. As far as 'interesting' players goes, what I meant by that is personality. Having a cool / funny personality is far more important in other players (IMO) than being skilled is, because if someone can make me laugh or chat on thought-provoking topics, that'll keep me entertained. One of my favorite W:A players of all time wasn't a pro-level player at all, but he was absolutely hilarious and in every game I played with him I was laughing so hard that I didn't give a crap about winning or losing... that is a sure sign that one is having fun.

I have 'mentored' countless players over the years. I've paid my dues many times over as far as that goes. Hell, I even did some of that last night. However, would I rather play some matches with unknown newbies or see AG once again full of familiar names? No contest. I don't see my stance on this as being negative per se; it's more a matter of me simply being honest. No matter how much I love W:A gameplay, without the right people around it just isn't nearly as fun as it could be.

As I have said, I am glad that we are getting an update and I respect the work put into making it happen. I just think that the update isn't going to address what *I* consider to be the real problem(s) of the current state of W:A. Bug fixes and feature implementation is cool and all but until the old schoolers start becoming active again en masse the game will remain a pale shadow of its former self. I truly hope that this update brings some people out of retirement but I doubt that will be the case.