Is that allowed use in legue games?
I hope we won't get to that point one day, where one player uses it, and the other doesn't, but he/she still needs to accept the other using it
How about create a new module for darts scheme, "wkDartsStart" where manual placements is off, but instead all worms are placed piles on a specific spot of a map where it says "Start".you can use wkTerrainSync for that and use a mission
Just my idea. :)
Yes. That would be a problem. I will transcribe here what I said in discord. The problem I see with using this module in leagues would be the combination of this module with gibberish worm names, while the opponent doesn't have the module. But, I have a principle that names to confuse the opponent should not be allowed in leagues, just as blank names are prohibited. Knowing the team order of the oponnent is critical in some schemes. I don't think it's fair to use gibberish worm names to confuse the opponent. Plus, there's also the fact that it's bad for streamed events. How commentatores can pronounce names like that?
It's pretty hilarious complaining about the module. Team order has always been available in the replay file for any would be cheater to exploit. This module just exposes that "cheating" in the open.
So in effect being against wkWormOrder is doing more to defend cheating than fight against it.
I think it would be nice if there were an option in W:A to disable any other online players' customizations in your game client locally. It would solve the gibberish worm names problem, as well as being able to hide obnoxious graves or flags. Obviously it takes away from the social/creative aspect of worms a bit, but at this point I feel like team names are kind of just noise for me.
While I am aware you can extract information from a replay file, is it possible to do it during an actual game, or only after?
there are other ways to get the opponent worm order, in about 10 seconds with no programming knowledge and leaving no trace. If people REALLY want to cheat like this they'll find a way but these things come down to trust and hopefully respect for competitive play.
CPU 5ZeplinFluteStreptoFrankTeabag Mr Meeker
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thrombosis1New Text DocumentCPU 4WarpedJarvisSandraHarryCleetusFreemanBirianiBenneyJust quickly tested there. Started a cpu only game and printed the replay file out while they were running in the background. Got this:Code: [Select]CPU 5ZeplinFluteStreptoFrankTeabag Mr Meeker
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Didn't even need to format it lol :D
As a streamer, I won't stream any matches knowing someone is doing that stuff.
As far as i'm concerned, it degrades skill and the mere fact some people think it's ok is concerning.
I want to help encourage and support a professional, disciplined environment which encourages skill at the highest level, not the opposite.
As I said earlier, either everyone does it, or nobody does it.
Just make everyone use the same team then?
Adnan, this specific point is different for all maps so it should be specified by the first worm placed.
The replay format is publicly documented on Worms Knowledge Base and does not contain any data regarding the utilized WormKit modules or other technical aspects of runtime environment. So the proposed idea cannot be policed with the current stock version of WA.
However, I have an idea and technical knowledge how to implement a wormkit module that checks the integrity of WA's virtual memory space that could be used in online games to ensure that no modifications to .exe file or private wormkit modules are used. The integrity could be automatically verified by all parties participating in the match and also embedded in custom section of .WAgame replay and submitted replays could be automatically verified by TUS. This would prevent or at least significantly hamper cheating in league games.
On the other hand, seeing violent reactions from league players to even the simplest and harmless quality of life improvement made me realize that WA's competitive scene is just better left off alone.
violent reactions from league players to even the simplest and harmless quality of life improvementCrab bucket mentality, "I suffer and so must you". Clearly their habits (which would get them laughed out of a hotseat party) are the only correct way to experience the game.
I can already extract turn order from replay files by means of a simple command. And since it's already possible, then how about adding the possibility to show opponent's turn order? Nice module by the way!
Here it is (Linux only):Code: [Select]cd ~/WA/User/Games && strings "$(ls -Art | tail -n 1)" | tr "\n" " " | xclip -sel c
What it does is it changes directory to Games, finds the most recent file, extracts strings from it, and copies them in the clipboard.
See how easy it is to obtain such information? No wormkit modules or programming skills required. It can even be assigned to a keyboard shortcut for convenience.
The ignorance here is shocking. :o🪞 (If you can't see it, its the mirror emoji)
Maybe it's harmless to some of you, maybe some of you don't care about the integrity of competitive gaming. I do, and others do as well.Maybe its a big deal to you, maybe you have a hyper sensitivity about change and reduction of tedium. I don't, and others don't as well.
What I see, are people who want the easy way out, who are not prepared to go the extra mile that hundreds of players have in the past few decades, making things "easier" is not always the best thing to do.What I see, is someone who has gotten used to tedious aspects being worked around in archaic and tedious ways and is unwilling to accept that its the 21st century now and people can and do want to maximize their time spent trying to have fun, actually having the fun.
The issue isn't that some people want QoL improvements. Any QoL improvement made because a few people want something made easier is forcing their QoL improvements on everyone.The issue is that some people want QoL improvements. Because apparently any QoL improvement that a few people want should be denied and they should be forced to play in the same way as everyone else.
The sheer ignorance and disrespect of someone saying "Just because I use it, doesn't mean you have to use it" is absolutely selfish! Why should anyone get an advantage over people who want to play naturally because they simply don't want to put the effort in or simply don't enjoy it?The sheer ignorance and disrespect of someone saying "Just because I wont use it, means that you shouldn't be able to" is absolutely selfish! Why should everyone be forced to endure aspects of the game that they dislike when they can instead focus on what they do like simply because you refuse to?
Also saying "If everyone has it, it makes it fair", again, the problem isn't even about what's fair, it's that many people who don't want it will be forced to accept it!If everyone has it, it does make it fair, again, the problem is that some people feel entitled to dictate how others play their own copy of the game and then have the cheek to talk about not wanting to be forced.
If we could separate this module from competitive games reported in Leagues, including Cups, Tournaments, or anything else with a professional spirit, i'd be on your side quicker than you could blink.There is no separating this one. It is trivially wide open via the replay file as well as apparently several other ways. It has been this way for some time and is the state of things as they are currently. But only for a select few. This is entirely unfair and crying out against this module's clearly good faith effort to bring in some transparency demonstrates distinctly that this has nothing to do with integrity for you.
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Ah yes. Still yet continuing to ignore the most important point. I guess that really does settle it then :D
Discussing it is not an answer to it.
You are clearly only concerned with potentially having to change.
I have no issue with you being a luddite, but forcing others to be one as well is nasty.
it is kind of sad to see that active players no longer want to engage on archaic methods (such as memory, or whatever).
If the majority of the playerbase wants to make the game easier, we should let them be, but as they have the right to do so, others should be allowed to know and discriminate.
I admire those who have a good memory like you for these things. But I, and many other players I know (very good), use some paper, etc., to write down what the enemy uses. I don't understand why this is sad. The game is the same. The fun is the same. It makes no difference to me whether the person uses memory or writes down information on paper.
It's not about making the game easier, in my opinion. Nothing is going to change. There will only be a transfer of something that was done on paper etc., to be an in-game option.
it is kind of sad to see that active players no longer want to engage on archaic methods (such as memory, or whatever).
I admire those who have a good memory like you for these things. But I, and many other players I know (veteran and also very good players), always made notes of what the enemy used. I don't understand why this is sad. The game is the same. The fun is the same. It makes no difference to me whether the person uses memory or writes down information on paper, software, app etc.If the majority of the playerbase wants to make the game easier, we should let them be, but as they have the right to do so, others should be allowed to know and discriminate.
It's not about making the game easier, in my opinion. Nothing is going to change. There will only be a transfer of something that was done on paper etc., to be an in-game option.
It does make a difference to you, if it didn't you wouldn't be asking for a module to do it for you!
Komito, why don't you let the players decide this? If my opponent allows me to use the module I use it. That simple!
Wtf Albus, you just said it doesn't make a difference, then you say it does, make up your mind!
If it was that simple, to actually trust people wouldn't use it to have an advantage, then I wouldn't be protesting against it.
the conclusion being people can already use 3rd party software to see worm orders.So you finally admit that people can already do it. Even in leagues, even in secret.
You aren't even using the word luddite correctlyThat's funny, the first definition basically says "Komito of WA" :D
It makes no difference in the skill level of the game and whoever dominates a scheme will continue to dominate.
So you finally admit that people can already do it. Even in leagues, even in secret.
Yet you are still insisting that this module should not be able to do it even in the open for all to see? What?
Do you just get off on trying to control the lives of others or something?
the first definition basically says "Komito of WA" :D
Yes, it does make a difference in the skill level of the game, you just don't want to acknowledge that.
If you assume that taking notes on paper etc., involves skill (I don't agree), then your conclusion is correct.
If you assume that taking notes on paper etc., involves skill (I don't agree), then your conclusion is correct.As i've already explained, which you constantly keep ignoring. You still have to pay attention, you need to wait until they cycle through the worms, you need to write it down and make sure you didn't do it wrong, you can still make an error.
I never denied it in the first place. You're in a bubble.Never said you denied it. And what you on about bubbles?
Yes, I still insist this module should not do it, this module is even worse than doing the memory thing. The memory thing still takes effort. Unless you combine that with a script that prints it to your screen as well, then that's even worse.Memory thing was not what I meant. I mean the simple and easy thing to print out the order from the replay file.
You are the one trying to force change, change that affects everyone, not me, I ideally want a solution that makes everyone happy.What you want is apparently to be the center of the attention and to make others unhappy.
No, it doesn't, it also still doesn't change the fact you used it incorrectly.Wew, you dont say? Also, no I didn't.
Keep digging cgar...This is irrelevant, are you literally just here to troll?
I thought you were talking about write down the weapons used by the enemy.
Regarding the sequence of worms, some players memorize or write down the team of players they play often (many league players use the same team). Regarding players that keep changing teams (some, with the intention of confusing the enemy), the team order can be obtained from the game's replay file. It has been said that there are very easy ways to get this. So something that can be done so easily, for me, doesn't involve skill.
Never said you denied it. And what you on about bubbles?
Memory thing was not what I meant. I mean the simple and easy thing to print out the order from the replay file.
What you want is apparently to be the center of the attention and to make others unhappy.
It is already available to all, so no, I am not trying to force people to suddenly know worm order. I am advocating that it should be out in the open. That would be a change I guess, is your disdain for change so severe that even introducing transparency is deplorable?
Wew, you dont say? Also, no I didn't.
This is irrelevant, are you literally just here to troll?
Albus, what is it about manual work that you don't understand is a skill? Why are you blatantly refusing to accept the truth?
Fair enough ok, you don't like it, it's boring for you, that I can accept, that's fine!
Though when you say "for me, doesn't involve skill", you are refusing to acknowledge the truth.
how do we know if the person does this or if use notes, get the information in the replay file etc.? We will never know.
Well, I was under the impression it was impossible to access the replay file while a game is still active, though now it appears that might be wrong?
So, I don't have the knowledge to answer that, i'd also like to have this confirmed.
Well, I was under the impression it was impossible to access the replay file while a game is still active, though now it appears that might be wrong?
So, I don't have the knowledge to answer that, i'd also like to have this confirmed.
I can get this information during the rounds. But I was informed that it is possible even during the match. Personally I don't know how.
Komito, I've been using the same team since last year. How will we know if a individual has the ability/skill to get my team's order by watching the worm cycle or if he doesn't have my team previously noted down? The only way to avoid this would be for me to have to create a new team before every game. It woukd be extremely boring. And even then, this person can see the order using the game replay (during the round - as some people say it's possible - or between rounds, which I can do in few secs).
Do you mean, you get this information during the course of a game, from inside the game, by writing it down on Whatsapp like you showed before? That's fine, it was also cool to see Darios notations!
Otherwise I'll feel like I'm studying and not playing a game to having fun.
I don't like taking notes while playing, that's all. I just want to focus on the game. Wear the headset, and get fully immersed in the game. I don't want to have to divert my attention to something outside of the game.
Again, I don't care about League of Legends, Dota, or any other game for that matter.
While I relate to the notion of game immersion, previous conversations i've had with you contradict a lot of the things you are saying here. To me you come across as someone who wants to achieve as much as possible with as little effort as possible. That seems to be the general consensus of this thread to be honest, which I would sympathize with more if it was directed towards casual games only, not competitive ones though.
I never said you said that I denied it.I never said you said that I said that you denied it. You sure you aren't just here to troll?
I specifically asked if this was possible during a match and the conclusion was the replay file is locked during the match so you cannot access it. Or was that an inaccurate conclusion?Whats this? All too happy to tell people to read the thread yet not doing it yourself? All too happy to call others ignorant yet not knowing that it is trivially easy despite the information being mentioned several times in this thread that you keep telling others to read???
My perspective, and my side of the argument is that instead of supporting unsavoury methods of getting an advantage by making something even simpler available to everyone, it would be wiser to prevent said unsavoury method in the first place.My perspective is that I don't like paper or having to leave the game to record things or rely on my terrible memory. And we have the technology to do it inside the game to save time and tedium and allow for more immersive play. And that I consider any argument whining about it taking skill away or that it's like cheating is null and void due to the fact that anyone who actually does want to cheat already has trivial access to the information for both teams in secret in multiple ways.
Just because other people do something, doesn't mean everyone else should.Just because other people don't want to do something, doesn't mean that nobody else should be able to.
Yes, you did.Seriously? Luddite [1]: a person opposed to new technology or ways of working.
telling people on Discord I was "hiding behing emoji's"(or something very similar, I don't want to join again to check)You don't want to login to check? That too much work for you? What happened to laziness is bad?
So from now on regarding this issue, I will continue to write my messages in a serious tone.I would appreciate this. When will you start?
I would sympathize with more if it was directed towards casual games only, not competitive ones though.
[...] you aren't even close to being right on a lot of those things [...]
[...] this entire thread has already reached a conclusion [...]
[...] I have closure on that, so i'm all good.[...]
Ah yes, your opinion differs, therefore I am just wrong.
And the thread has reached a conclusion because you have reached yours. Even though it was the wrong conclusion and you apparently just ignored evidence to the contrary.
No, you were just wrong.I proved it with evidence how am I wrong about it? Others also proved it, and improved it.
I didn't say the thread reached a conclusionNever said you said that
Though hey, feel free to continue chasing ghosts, I don't mind.More irrelevant nonsense. When was it you said that you would be more serious again?
You didn't prove anything regarding that specific point, you were wrong.
FoxHound, yes, I do memorize phone numbers and birthdays of people close to me, as well as important numbers such as my local GP and some others, though it has nothing to do with this game. It is useful to know these things not having to rely on technology to do the job for us, especially if you find yourself in a situation where you can't use your phone and need that information.
That's just common sense though in my opinion.
You clearly misunderstood the conversation cgar, we were already aware it's easy to get the order.
As far as I know, you can change your teams as much as you want, in TUS/ONL/CWT, so long as you follow a few basic guidelines, such as no blank worm names.
Though as we observed from tita last year, he changes his team every match, which means his opponents must pay very close attention every set of games.
Doing things manually and having them done automatically are 2 very different things.
Doing things manually and having them done automatically are 2 very different things.
Yes I know. And I understand that this is your biggest concern.
My biggest concern is that these modules can spiral out of control soon enough.
My 2nd biggest concern is the attitude and ignorance to be more concerned with luxuries than manual effort, which leads directly to concern number 1.
So we should talk and encourage programmers to create anti-cheat tools that detect private modules etc.
This discussion is going in circles.
Who decides changes here, TUS staff or players?
If TUS staff then have a private discussion and decide to ban these modules or not.
If players decide then make a poll so we can vote.
It is painful to read the same arguments repeated over and over again, for like 20 pages already. Stop this madness!
This discussion is going in circles.
It is painful to read the same arguments repeated over and over again, for like 20 pages already. Stop this madness!
Who decides changes here, TUS staff or players?
If TUS staff then have a private discussion and decide to ban these modules or not.
If players decide then make a poll so we can vote.
This actually gives me an idea to prevent cheating/abuse.The replay format is publicly documented on Worms Knowledge Base and does not contain any data regarding the utilized WormKit modules or other technical aspects of runtime environment. So the proposed idea cannot be policed with the current stock version of WA.
Quite frankly, the short conversation in this thread before has me a little concerned about how easy it is for skilled computer programmers to create and use their own modules to get an advantage in this game. Modules they make for private use only.
I believe there are ways to inspect replay files and detect if any extra module was loaded/used, am I wrong? Though the concern is, like avoiding real life police undetected, most replays are not checked on TUS if nobody raises an issue, or voices some concern about suspicious gameplay.
Would it be possible to develop some sort of code based algorithm which could scan games automatically as they are reported and compare them with a database of 'legal modules'. If anything new or illegal pops up, it would automatically send a message to a moderator or MonkeyIsland and it could be inspected further or deleted.
However, I have an idea and technical knowledge how to implement a wormkit module that checks the integrity of WA's virtual memory space that could be used in online games to ensure that no modifications to .exe file or private wormkit modules are used. The integrity could be automatically verified by all parties participating in the match and also embedded in custom section of .WAgame replay and submitted replays could be automatically verified by TUS. This would prevent or at least significantly hamper cheating in league games.
On the other hand, seeing violent reactions from league players to even the simplest and harmless quality of life improvement made me realize that WA's competitive scene is just better left off alone.
Who is League?
Who is League?
A League as in, any League people compete in.
Maybe also add an option to have your own team order printed into the lobby and chat. Then even those without can have the same benefit.
Casual players should not be hindered from getting this because someone wants to force tedium on everyone. Especially when it's already possible. The module should just be updated to show for all teams without a message to match what is already possible.
Maybe also add an option to have your own team order printed into the lobby and chat. Then even those without can have the same benefit.
If the opponent didn't have the module I would use a team like this: Worm 1, 2, 3 etc.
If the opponent didn't have the module I would use a team like this: Worm 1, 2, 3 etc.
Sure, that's your choice, though you would in turn be making it easier for them to keep track of, if you care about such a thing.
If the opponent didn't have the module I would use a team like this: Worm 1, 2, 3 etc.
Sure, that's your choice, though you would in turn be making it easier for them to keep track of, if you care about such a thing.
It wouldn't be fair for me to see their team as Worm 1, 2, 3 etc., and they don't see mine in the same way. Using a module like this, I would have a team like this for these situations.
I gave the idea too for the module only work (ie, you see the order of the enemy team) if your team were written like that, Worm 1, 2, 3 etc. Otherwise the module would not work.
Any player who doesn't want this should not be forced to use this because someone wants to impose their will on everyone.Any player who wants to use this should not be denied it because someone wants to impose their will on everyone
Especially when it's only already possible via 3rd party tools and shady methods, which we could possibly find ways to prevent instead of using that as the reason to extend that flaw.Replays files are neither shady nor 3rd party. The replay format would have to be changed to make this impossible. But if anything it should be made more open, not less. To allow for more creativity from the community. Especially if anything people make just gets them flack from you. People should be encouraged to make cool things for the community not driven away.
Rather than use a weakness as your argument, it would be best to fix that weakness so it doesn't already exist, if possible.Rather than refuse to acknowledge that this has been a common thing for people to do for years you want to instead suddenly lock everything down which will only serve to stifle people's creativity to make cool wormkits or make cool stuff surrounding replays. I am glad you are not an authority on this subject. Despite acting like you are
As i've said countless times, it's better to cater to everyone, rather than purely one side, give the people who want to use this the option to use it, while giving the players who don't want it the option to remain that way.Are you speaking about yourself? That is exactly what this module would do! lol. That's what the message about its use is for. There is no message when someone uses the replay method. Or wireshark or whatever.
Any player who wants to use this should not be denied it because someone wants to impose their will on everyone
The replay format would have to be changed to make this impossible.
But if anything it should be made more open, not less. To allow for more creativity from the community. Especially if anything people make just gets them flack from you. People should be encouraged to make cool things for the community not driven away.
Rather than refuse to acknowledge that this has been a common thing for people to do for years you want to instead suddenly lock everything down which will only serve to stifle people's creativity to make cool wormkits or make cool stuff surrounding replays. I am glad you are not an authority on this subject. Despite acting like you are
Are you speaking about yourself? That is exactly what this module would do! lol. That's what the message about its use is for. There is no message when someone uses the replay method. Or wireshark or whatever.
People can already do it so banning it to protect leagues is pointless.
How can you force somebody not to use something if you can't even detect if they're using it or not. In this case you can try to convince people, but not force them.
So yeah, if this thread will lead to changes like this, then it's good.
But you are against the existence of wkRemapKey? Are you against who uses it because it makes it easier, for example, roping with 2 buttons? Or do combos on hysteria?
But you are against the existence of wkRemapKey? Are you against who uses it because it makes it easier, for example, roping with 2 buttons? Or do combos on hysteria?
I personally like the wkRemapKey module. Though i'd happily support banning it if there were enough players providing good reasons to ban it.
I played WA for about 20 years without it, so it's no problem for me.
Do you think it's wrong use two buttons for roping? The game was originally designed for 1 button, correct? Two buttons makes tap faster. What do you think about that.
Yes, my opinion about 2 spacebars or more has always been clear, I don't like it.
So, do you think that those who use 2 buttons for roping have an unfair advantage over those who play the game in the way it was created (1 button only)? If someone creates a thread asking for the module to be banned for that reason, will you support it?
So, do you think that those who use 2 buttons for roping have an unfair advantage over those who play the game in the way it was created (1 button only)? If someone creates a thread asking for the module to be banned for that reason, will you support it?
I don't like it, though the reason why has nothing to do about the game being created that way because some keyboards literally have multiple spacebars.
Even though I don't like it, I can still respect people who take the time to train the skill required to get good at it.
So no, I wouldn't support banning it based on the fact there are keyboards with multiple spacebars already available to purchase.
From everything you've said so far, I find you very contradictory.
i've been a very experienced roper for over 20 years roping as standard. I can also rope without wkRemapKeys though
I can also play intermediate without modules that will track weapons and enemy team order (and use only pen and paper) and be quite good at it. But these modules will make the game more enjoyable for me, same thing that wkRemapKeys does to you: make more enjoyable roping with W/A/S/D.
I can also play intermediate without modules that will track weapons and enemy team order (and use only pen and paper) and be quite good at it. But these modules will make the game more enjoyable for me, same thing that wkRemapKeys does to you: make more enjoyable roping with W/A/S/D.
I knew you were going to say this, it is not the same though, they are not identical, they have substantial differences in usage and substantial impacts on how they affect the schemes that use them as well.
THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL.
Do you think this applies purely to Intermediate and Elite? You are being ignorant again. It applies to any scheme which exists or could exist where knowing turn order is part of the strategy.
Do you not realize there are many more schemes in Allround & Free Leagues which knowing turn order is important?
Again, ignorance. Do some research please.
Ok. Let's hear pro players from these schemes. I think it's good to hear the players of each scheme, as they would be the most affected.
I see cgar is still busy exaggerating and lying.
Again, ignorance. Do some research please.
"This example is fine because I say so. It does not matter that it is basically the same thing"
:D :D :D
Though there is no need to continue this discussion as nizikawa has already mentioned that he will be adding a feature which displays when someone activates this module, which means the very issue I had has been resolved.
I consider this a victory, and appreciate that nizikawa will be adding the feature.
As I said earlier, either everyone does it, or nobody does it.
For me, the ideal would be to implement a behavior identical to /arrows. The person would know you're using it. Surely there are people who wouldn't need or want to use it, then, there would be no way to make it mandatory for everyone.Just make everyone use the same team then?
Not necessarily. As the current module already does, it would just add a number, before the name, indicating the order of the team.
I can't speak for others, but in intermediate I feel that I have more chances of winning and I play more strategically when I play thinking about the sequence of the opponent's team. The point is that there are people who know much more practical methods of getting it and others who do it in a more laborious way. Whoever can get it easier and faster, in my opinion, has a certain advantage. A module that shows the sequence of both teams and behaves like /arrows, will only legitimize and make explicit something that is already done by many (more discreetly) and will increase the level of playing in certain schemes in my opinion. Additionally it will be something positive for the streams.
[...] your points, so yet again you are lying [...]Komito, the sole arbiter of truth.
[...] everyone else, so yet again you are lying [...]
[...] there is no need to continue this discussion as nizikawa has already mentioned that he will be adding a feature which displays when someone activates this module [...]Wew, look at you finally catching up with what has been said from the beginning. Not like people have been saying that from page 1 at all. No, not at all :D
[...] I consider this a victory, and appreciate that nizikawa will be adding the feature. [...]
[...] Now I can put this discussion and your lies to rest. :) [...]
When I said that, nizikawa had already talked about this possibility in discord. Would be very unfair use this module in secret.
My idea to handle the controversial features is to make them behave similar to /arrows command. A /me message gets emitted when the enemy worm order / weapon tracking is enabled, so other players are aware of this in the general chat.
Do you not realize there are many more schemes in Allround & Free Leagues which knowing turn order is important?
Again, ignorance. Do some research please.
Though there is no need to continue this discussion as nizikawa has already mentioned that he will be adding a feature which displays when someone activates this module, which means the very issue I had has been resolved.
I consider this a victory, and appreciate that nizikawa will be adding the feature.
I wasn't following the dedicated Discord thread.
wkTerrainSync allows making custom missions with custom worm spawn points, team weapons, scheme settings, events etc. Each .WAM mission file is bound to .PNG/.BMP/.BIT/.LEV file sharing the same name. So for each map you can use a different WAM file with spawn points matching the map. The module itself is easy to use, custom missions work in online games and only the host needs to have .WAM file installed (provided that all other players have wkTerrainSync installed).
I believe that TheMadCharles has created some mission templates that can be used for this purpose.
But I believe that this huge discussion, which lasted for days, could have been avoided if you were looking for more information just as me in that situation.
Even in the first version of wkWormOrder (which shows only YOUR team's sequence), nizikawa had already suggested the possibility that the module would behave similarly to /arrows.
(https://i.imgur.com/91YkT4j.png)
So, just as I recognize that I should have done more research before making that statement about the schemes that would be impacted by the module, I think you could have done more research and avoided this whole discussion.
The way you released the information on the ONL channel was totally reckless:
(https://i.imgur.com/Sl0tBEE.png)
You spoke in a derogatory way, creating some kind of bias on people about a module that hadn't even been published yet and not knowing all the details behind the idea (for example, that this could behave like the /arrows command).
Shortly after you said these things in the ONL discord channel, SIBASA had said this:
(https://i.imgur.com/OpZok44.png)
I assume you didn't see it either. All this debate would not have been necessary.
Though, I'm more and more impressed by how disloyal Komito can be at times, influencing others negatively without even understanding what the module would be like, yet he spent days debating something he doesn't know about. Outrageous and awkward.
Thus I would be extremely ashamed to defend tradition and how the game was meant to be played when I use modules that make my life easier like remaps but refuse to provide the same accessibility to others and make excuses that I can use 2 keyboards simultaneously, this shit is hilarious, people won't buy that excuse never ever. Beautiful mental juggling you made up there. I'm out of here, not replying anymore. Cya. :D
Shortly after you said these things in the ONL discord channel, SIBASA had said this:SIBASA is not the creator of the module, therefor it is not official confirmation. So this discussion is entirely relevant for those who had wished to achieve the conclusion which has now been met.
(https://i.imgur.com/OpZok44.png)
I assume you didn't see it either. All this debate would not have been necessary.
The way you released the information on the ONL channel was totally reckless:That is the ONL Discord, until the owners and moderators of ONL Discord decide we're not allowed to mock each other and have a laugh, i'll continue to do so, just as everyone else who acts in a similar fashion in locations not related to TUS.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sl0tBEE.png)
You spoke in a derogatory way, creating some kind of bias on people about a module that hadn't even been published yet and not knowing all the details behind the idea (for example, that this could behave like the /arrows command).
If you saw this message from SIBASA, wouldn't it be simpler to have just asked about this possibility (and confirm if this would be official) right at the beginning of this whole long debate? We would clarify for you that this was being thought from the beginning. What would be the point of creating these modules and not letting people know you are using it? I thought it was something so obvious it was implicit. Too bad we all wasted a lot of time on something that wasn't meant to be debated.
I don't agree with that way of speaking.
It was clear that, at this time, you didn't have the whole idea of the module (eg, that it would send a message mentioning its use). Now that you know, you're not against it anymore. So why prejudge something with such strong words if you don't know the whole idea yet?
I don't agree with that way of speaking.Albus, what you agree with doesn't concern me in a place where you don't decide the rules. If you have a complaint about my behaviour in the ONL Discord server, please make a complaint to the moderators of the ONL Discord server. I will accept all consequences.
In my opinion, someone, especially in your position (streamer, moderator on TUS), should be more polite and contained with words in any public place related to the game.
Nizikawa said that, in September 9, you contacted him and he explained to you that the module could warn other users that it was being used:
(https://i.imgur.com/xJBNBxf.png)
So, why didn't you end this discussion days ago?
CHEATERS REJOICE!!! IMMA REMOVE THE WARNING AND COMPILE IT FROM SOURCE NOW!! MWAHAHHA!!! CHEATERS WIN KOMITO LOSE!!!You made an account to say this? Petty.
Version 1.1.0 has been released.
- added /order command to show order of all worms. the use of this feature should be discussed with other players beforehand. upon enabling, a /me message is sent to all players to inform about the feature being used
- added /owner command to toggle showing owner name of teams
- added {hp} tag to custom team display format - it calculates the sum of HP of all worms belonging to the team
Download available in the first post and on my github.
Nizikawa said that, in September 9, you contacted him and he explained to you that the module could warn other users that it was being used:
So, why didn't you end this discussion days ago?
It's not the only point to discuss, i've already said this, do you even read what everyone writes, or only the people you agree with?
Though there is no need to continue this discussion as nizikawa has already mentioned that he will be adding a feature which displays when someone activates this module, which means the very issue I had has been resolved.
I consider this a victory, and appreciate that nizikawa will be adding the feature.
The way you released the information on the ONL channel was totally reckless:
(https://i.imgur.com/Sl0tBEE.png)
You spoke in a derogatory way, creating some kind of bias on people about a module that hadn't even been published yet and not knowing all the details behind the idea (for example, that this could behave like the /arrows command).
That is the ONL Discord, until the owners and moderators of ONL Discord decide we're not allowed to mock each other and have a laugh, i'll continue to do so, just as everyone else who acts in a similar fashion in locations not related to TUS.
I don't agree with that way of speaking. Your words are aimed at the work of others and to people who, even if you don't agree, are thinking about things that will be useful to others.
It was clear that, at this time, you didn't have the whole idea of the module (eg, that it would send a message mentioning its use). Now that you know, you're not against it anymore. So why prejudge something with such strong words if you don't know the whole idea yet?
Albus, what you agree with doesn't concern me in a place where you don't decide the rules. If you have a complaint about my behaviour in the ONL Discord server, please make a complaint to the moderators of the ONL Discord server. I will accept all consequences.
This is an issue because you can have confusing worm names and change them every game and still be aware of your own worm order.
This is an issue because you can have confusing worm names and change them every game and still be aware of your own worm order.
Shouldn't that be prohibited in the first place? It might be simpler just to forbid this "tactic" of confusing the opponent by using gibberish worm names. Both blank names and gibberish worm names should not be allowed.
This is an issue because you can have confusing worm names and change them every game and still be aware of your own worm order.
Shouldn't that be prohibited in the first place? It might be simpler just to forbid this "tactic" of confusing the opponent by using gibberish worm names. Both blank names and gibberish worm names should not be allowed.
That would be too hard to enforce.
I've shared my thoughts in discord on this matter.
Its massively cheating and a total shame this module has been released. Frankly wreckless to the competitive league scene for worms.
Using your memory is a key skill of this game. There is a big difference between using paper and pen aids to support you, which are prone to human error and take some attention away from the turn/game. Having a tool that automates this for you, gives you enemy worm order, or even your own on screen is a massive advantage and creates an uneven playing field.
Worms is a turn based strategic game, this module is cheating in the same degree as an aimbot. Because aiming is all about memory too.
I personally feel anyone using this module in any leagues should be banned and games voided.
Looking forward a wormkit module that plays every game for me and wipes my ass
There are people who might prefer to play with it. I am particularly looking forward to the module that tracks enemy weapons. Even though it's not allowed in leagues, I'll have more fun in funners with these modules. I will be able to switch between windows, do other things, and still know what the opponent used.That's going a little to far, no? There's a reason you can't view the opponent's weapon wheel during their turn, and if it is out there, people will surely use it to gain an advantage on their opponent. I've stayed mostly out of this discussion, but if this is allowed, it becomes increasingly difficult to determine where the blurred line of fairness once was.
But, honestly after seeing all these different threads to the same talk about a quality of life module.
ADDENDUM: My whole post is based on only one player having access to these features and it not being widely disseminated among the community.
you just ruined the whole online gaming a bit nizikawa, and you also managed to put oldtimer and newbie players in a situation in which they are seriously thinking of rather not even playing any games anymore other than races (or schemes where you play with 1-2 worms)
thanks bro 'priciate it :D
the community got even thinner by this. but hey, at least you don't need to waste too much paper and pen at your home anymore :) ;D
hero of 2021 <3 :-*
Wow what a cynical and unnecessary thing to say -- what makes you the authority on what's "ruining online gaming"? It seems to me that nizikawa has been trying to work with the community to make things better, and even though releasing some modules prematurely may seem naive, you really won't please everyone when making new modules. If anything I think it's a good motivator for competitive WA to get more serious about what's considered cheating and to shed some light on some issues surrounding modules in general. How about instead of you just complaining about the situation, try to come up with and suggest solutions to the arguably bigger problem of the ease of cheating on w:a in general.
you just ruined the whole online gaming a bit nizikawa, and you also managed to put oldtimer and newbie players in a situation in which they are seriously thinking of rather not even playing any games anymore other than races (or schemes where you play with 1-2 worms)
thanks bro 'priciate it :D
the community got even thinner by this. but hey, at least you don't need to waste too much paper and pen at your home anymore :) ;D
hero of 2021 <3 :-*
and Syc, I think you are the one whom I have seen somewhere doing a... weapon tracker module? :D really :D :D you really want to make this game as dumb as possible
how more committed you could be. :)
I have taken your suggestions into consideration and as result I was able to develop a new, improved wormkit module to address the issues of wkWormOrder just for you.
I hope you will enjoy using this new module.
Could you please provide more detail on the updates you've made to address the possible cheating?
I believe the module should be banned across all league games and competitive games and players using it should have their games voided. I also believe you shouldn't be allowed to agree to use the module. (I've said all this on discord..)
Could you please provide more detail on the updates you've made to address the possible cheating?
Did you see the name of the attachment? :DI believe the module should be banned across all league games and competitive games and players using it should have their games voided. I also believe you shouldn't be allowed to agree to use the module. (I've said all this on discord..)
So, I am forced to memorize the name of the worms and the sequence of all my teams because you consider this an important "skill"? If yes, I think I'm in the wrong game. Me and my opponent, if we want, can't we see our teams from 1 to 8?
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?
I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.
tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?
Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme :o
So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.
By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.
tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.
It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.
If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.
If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?
Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme :o
So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.
By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.
tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.
It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.
If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.
If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?
It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.
You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.
Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).
QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).
QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).
QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).
Albus - I think the key element is the 'Any' program to cheat.
gg
It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.
You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.
my arguments and supporting evidence for feeling like Albus has cheated are in the CWT discord for everyone to see. This is based off conversations he had in the ONL discord with Dario.
I have given my views on why computer-aided modules that do things for you automatically are in my opinion are cheating. I've explained why I think its different to visual aids which are still cheap, but not cheating because they a visual aid still requires human use.
There is a difference between automation and human use, also this wormorder module also gives you the opponents worm order straight away, before any research or even them going through their whole team of worms, you see it right from the start. There are two situations I believe you can cheat with the module and Albus has admitted to using it in one of those situations, he has yet to answer my second question.
I don't want to repeat myself again and again. I clearly asked Albus 2 questions about him giving himself an advantage over another player 'Dario' with the use of a computer program.
The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".
The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".
The definition of authority does not apply to you here. What MI decide I will respect. I'm waiting for his decision. What you say to me doesn't matter. You have zero impartiality towards me.
The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".
The definition of authority does not apply to you here. What MI decide I will respect. I'm waiting for his decision. What you say to me doesn't matter. You have zero impartiality towards me.
That was aimed at everyone, as general information.
However, it doesn't matter what MonkeyIsland decides, you were literally cheating, that is not something you can debate, you even admitted you were doing it because you deceived Dario. If MonkeyIsland decides these modules are allowed, you were still cheating at that moment. What happens in the future can not change the past.
I personally believe you did not realize you were cheating especially after being called out on it and still trying to defend it as being ok, it was still, literally by definition, cheating.
The sooner you realize that, and make an effort not to deceive people, then you will gain respect again regarding this issue.
It does matter. I am asking for retraction because you attack my honor. If retraction is not done, I will not be left in a toxic environment where people offend me.
I'm not interested in what you say. You have publicly demonstrated enmity and partiality towards me. I don't value anything you say. It would be like accepting a judge in a case where one of the parties is his brother. I trust MI's best judgment on this. What he decides I will accept.
It does matter. I am asking for retraction because you attack my honor. If retraction is not done, I will not be left in a toxic environment where people offend me.Albus, these things literally happened, all we are doing is telling the truth.
Komo It's funny seeing you like to call other people cheaters and stuff but in the past you clearly enjoyed quite a lot your close to flawless BnG clanners with barman when you and people clearly knew that he was notching, for me and some that is cheating too and you can't change my mind ez pz league points. 8)
Nice try though donnie, though as usual you are wrong, i've only ever played 3 BnGs with barman and they weren't even clanners.
QuoteNice try though donnie, though as usual you are wrong, i've only ever played 3 BnGs with barman and they weren't even clanners.
Really man? It's easy to play fool with Albus regarding TUS past history as he was not around as much as us but that aint happenng with me. I could assume you forgot being in AeF with barman but you proved to be a liar in the last few days (telling us you didn't know about /order feature when nizikawa pmed you before the release about that), you proven to be willing to do anything to not confess guilty or wrong so whatever you say man.
From now on I encourage people to not to take your opinions seriously thus I would kindly ask MI to discharge you from any administrative role on this site as your attitudes do not convey credibility and isn't in any form impartial, this is dangerous.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-152164/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-149429/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-146076/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-145843/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142719/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142417/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-141835/
(https://i.imgur.com/VYXDQt6.png)
And those were the BnG games I found in the first 15 pages, can't worry to search for more, and for the record I just blocked you on TUS forums, dishonest prick.
QuoteNice try though donnie, though as usual you are wrong, i've only ever played 3 BnGs with barman and they weren't even clanners.
Really man? It's easy to play fool with Albus regarding TUS past history as he was not around as much as us but that aint happenng with me. I could assume you forgot being in AeF with barman but you proved to be a liar in the last few days (telling us you didn't know about /order feature when nizikawa pmed you before the release about that), you proven to be willing to do anything to not confess guilty or wrong so whatever you say man.
From now on I encourage people to not to take your opinions seriously thus I would kindly ask MI to discharge you from any administrative role on this site as your attitudes do not convey credibility and isn't in any form impartial, this is dangerous.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-152164/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-149429/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-146076/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-145843/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142719/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142417/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-141835/
(https://i.imgur.com/VYXDQt6.png)
And those were the BnG games I found in the first 15 pages, can't worry to search for more, and for the record I just blocked you on TUS forums, dishonest prick.
you just ruined the whole online gaming a bit nizikawa, and you also managed to put oldtimer and newbie players in a situation in which they are seriously thinking of rather not even playing any games anymore other than races (or schemes where you play with 1-2 worms)
thanks bro 'priciate it :D
the community got even thinner by this. but hey, at least you don't need to waste too much paper and pen at your home anymore :) ;D
hero of 2021 <3 :-*
Thanks for your valuable input, Lupastic.
I have taken your suggestions into consideration and as result I was able to develop a new, improved wormkit module to address the issues of wkWormOrder just for you.
I hope you will enjoy using this new module.
I know you've changed a lot, certainly for the better, and I think you've learned from your mistakes, but are we just going to ignore the fact you used a program years ago to cheat during league games? If komo is dishonest and a hypocrite, you are surely every bit as dishonest and also a hypocrite, if not more so, he didn't use a 3rd party program. The point is, if modules/programs whatever exist to gain an edge, people will use them, you certainly used xspeed or whatever the hell it was called to try to get away with an unfair edge.QuoteNice try though donnie, though as usual you are wrong, i've only ever played 3 BnGs with barman and they weren't even clanners.
Really man? It's easy to play fool with Albus regarding TUS past history as he was not around as much as us but that aint happenng with me. I could assume you forgot being in AeF with barman but you proved to be a liar in the last few days (telling us you didn't know about /order feature when nizikawa pmed you before the release about that), you proven to be willing to do anything to not confess guilty or wrong so whatever you say man.
From now on I encourage people to not to take your opinions seriously thus I would kindly ask MI to discharge you from any administrative role on this site as your attitudes do not convey credibility and isn't in any form impartial, this is dangerous.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-152164/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-149429/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-146076/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-145843/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142719/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-142417/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-141835/
(https://i.imgur.com/VYXDQt6.png)
And those were the BnG games I found in the first 15 pages, can't worry to search for more, and for the record I just blocked you on TUS forums, dishonest prick.
Here's a simple trick I use to remember my own turn order. I take a random 8-letter word, let's say 'Absolute', and use every letter as a starting letter for worm names. Example: 1. Anthony 2. Brian 3. Samuel 4. Olly 5. Luke 6. Underdog 7. Tony 8. Elias.
Memory is still required, but it is much easier to remember 1 word rather than 8 worm names. That way I can still play leagues in case wkWormOrder gets banned.
Or is it cheating too?!
Here's a simple trick I use to remember my own turn order. I take a random 8-letter word, let's say 'Absolute', and use every letter as a starting letter for worm names. Example: 1. Anthony 2. Brian 3. Samuel 4. Olly 5. Luke 6. Underdog 7. Tony 8. Elias.
Memory is still required, but it is much easier to remember 1 word rather than 8 worm names. That way I can still play leagues in case wkWormOrder gets banned.
Or is it cheating too?!
No it wasnt xspeed or whatever you think, please don't jump into the thread and assume things you don't know or witnessed if you can't bother to go back and read about it. I had 1 game void vs Random00 because I had a macro for "T" which made people uncomfortable seeing my worm thinking bubble popping up a lot (LOL), but I was like 13yo and didnt know english as good as today (still bad but works). So I just accepted the decisions, if it was today I would never accept that as this is something harmless.Fair enough, I haven't really investigated it myself, just heard this secondhand from your clanmate lalo years ago, I can't even remember the specifics. I thought it was xspeed, maybe not. This thread has been derailed and devolved into personal attacks, and it is getting nowhere beneficial. Someone did find a funny thread where you and komo were arguing about bng though, seems to also back up what you were saying about not using xspeed and using ahk only:
There was also this autohotkey script which was considered illegal but that was zippo who posted it in tus forums like months or years ago before people discovered about it, he sent the link to me. I also accepted the guilty because I couldnt bother to defend, 0 knowledge of english and I didn't care cause I played with 1 space most of the time. Then MI unblocked autohotkey again. Same case here, some people were ok with autohotkey and some doesnt.
Btw I call him dishonest because he is a LIAR, not because I think he cheats or notches, I don't care if he cheats, its not up for me to make justice and point finger, it's completely different.
Nice found, btw the script was not a macro, it just ignored when another key was hold, it's hard to explain you need to try it yourself, though it was just proven through the years to be a result of envy as the script didnt give any miraculous advantage as people tried to make it look like. Its funny and cringe to read my messages back then and the fuss people made about something so harmless.I'm sorry you feel that way, thought you had matured a little bit since then but I guess not. If you feel weird or upset about being called out for using well known exploits like AHK macros and the water module, perhaps you should have considered that before using them. We all have to be accountable for our actions, whether they be idiotic or hypocritical, and I am guilty of both at times.
By the way I edited my post and looks like you missed it, I won't have any chats with you or Komito because you are clanmates and for sure backing up each other. But the main reason is your opinion towards me calling me out cheater in public to strangers when I'm not around (check screenshot).
Edit: I found out you were accusing in my back without any chances of me defending myself as I don't make part of that server you were posting: https://i.imgur.com/n9csXwc.pngSo what was I dishonest about? You already admitted to downloading an illegal script and using it. I wasn't going to post these but here we go, even your own clanmates know you are cheating:
I can say you are a dishonest person too and you are going beyond the gray area here. You shoudlnt call someone out for using it when they clearly didn't think or know it was cheating, it would be a different story if the script/module was banned.
I'd risk and say you now look even more than dishonest person because you are disseminating stuff you can't bother to go back and read properly, you are literally influencing people that dont know me to think I'm a cheater.
Yeah, having a macro that presses T for me is so unfair advantage. I can't sleep at night thinking about how many matches I ruined back then, what a torture.Try being accountable for your actions without going into full victim mode? It's kind of hard to have a dialogue with you playing the victim of 'ol evil komo and walrus.
Whatever you guys say man. :)
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/cheater-7225/
I asked donnie what this "confusion" was about. And he showed me the repplay file:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-75884/
I want to understand, what's the problem with a macro that makes the worm send the question mark symbol? This doesn't interfere with anything.
I miss maciej and his fingerroll video ;DQuotehttps://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/cheater-7225/
LOL thanks for this I never saw this topic before, it's very funny to see this as Maciej was a joke in TUS and we were pretty much game enemies :D
TheWalrus. I don't consider myself a cheater as I didn't know I was cheating, I mean, the script was considered cheating later and I was very open to tell I was using it, never hided it.
And the T macro I just don't see how it is harmful to me or my opponent, don't know why it's cheating too.
What would happen if remaps go considered as cheating? 2 space roping considered as cheating? There is a very small barrier there to consider people cheaters. :)
Real cheaters are using crate spy, permanent laser sight, mine dud revealer, macros for hysteria combos.
lmao this is still going on? I can't believe people are still calling this thing a cheat lol.This program doesn't bother me that much anymore, but for competitive people will change their team after every match so downloading the team from a previous game is a null strategy.
So manually reordering your team before the match and using a piece of paper to store order is fine, but sparing yourself the tedium of using crappy paper in 2021 is apparently a heinous crime? 🤦♂️
I've said it before but maybe its been buried too much now. Getting the worm order of everyone in secret is trivial. It is as simple as printing the replay or using one of the other many other methods. ACTUAL cheaters will simply just use these methods instead of this nice honest one that posts a message if it is used to get the team order of the opponent.
So in effect, this module is more an ANTI CHEATING module. Not in the sense that it prevents it, that's currently impossible, but in the sense that it nudges people towards honestly getting the order instead of deceiving their opponent and getting it secretly in the shadows. Something that has been trivially possible for years and many actual legit cheaters will have been fervently exploiting.
lmao this is still going on? I can't believe people are still calling this thing a cheat lol.
So manually reordering your team before the match and using a piece of paper to store order is fine, but sparing yourself the tedium of using crappy paper in 2021 is apparently a heinous crime? 🤦♂️
I've said it before but maybe its been buried too much now. Getting the worm order of everyone in secret is trivial. It is as simple as printing the replay or using one of the other many other methods. ACTUAL cheaters will simply just use these methods instead of this nice honest one that posts a message if it is used to get the team order of the opponent.
So in effect, this module is more an ANTI CHEATING module. Not in the sense that it prevents it, that's currently impossible, but in the sense that it nudges people towards honestly getting the order instead of deceiving their opponent and getting it secretly in the shadows. Something that has been trivially possible for years and many actual legit cheaters will have been fervently exploiting.
for competitive people will change their team after every match so downloading the team from a previous game is a null strategy.
[...] you should stop encouraging Deadcode about including this noob feature [...]
[...] I saw you being extremely happy [...]
[...] why do you want to form the game in a shape that you prefer to play [...]
[...] you, with your small group of few friends [...]
mouthbreathers.
At this point to ensure fairness, I'd rather just have a rule that both sides need to state their team order before the match, which is something I'll do from now on either way.
And for most Inter / 80-normal matches, both sides already know each other's order anyway, so this wouldn't change much imo.
I just don't want to do this through a mod since people should be able to play league games with just the regular game, though showing team order would be fine if we wanted to do it as an official feature.
Well spoken! An alternative to stating team order at the beginning of a match would be registering a team file and having a rule that you'll use that team file throughout the cup, so that anyone can look up anyone else's team at any time. But really a scheme option would be best.
I wonder if nizikawa could add a feature to the module to print out your own worm order at the beginning of a match?
I can add a command to lobby or game chat - something like "/order print" would send a chat message with the order of worms belonging to you.
Doing this in game chat is effortless with current code, doing this in lobby requires some additional work.
I am disappointed, I looked through this whole thread in the hopes of finding a user with the "Muted" status so I could grab its image for discord, but noone was in mute or under observation, this is such a letdown
I am disappointed, I looked through this whole thread in the hopes of finding a user with the "Muted" status so I could grab its image for discord, but noone was in mute or under observation, this is such a letdown
I am disappointed, I looked through this whole thread in the hopes of finding a user with the "Muted" status so I could grab its image for discord, but noone was in mute or under observation, this is such a letdown
People who fap to old schoolers just loves to provoke newer players like us. They provoke our inventions, skills etc. telling us that we will always be wrong and they all always be right, no matter what.Lmfao. Spot on bro spot on :D
And then they be crying seeing dead Wormnet saying "Why is Wormnet dead? :("
Lmfao. Spot on bro spot on :D
newer players like us
Haha I was thinking that, "new player" who has played thousands of hours and for a decade. Face it adnan, you have matured into an 'oldschool' player along the way. No more noobnan ;D this guy pro now.newer players like us
10 years on tus and still noob? ;) :D