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Game #236970, reported by Lupastic, Viewed 1365 Time(s)

Allround #24, Rope #25
Singles
June 05, 2023, 07:56 AM
Winner
Lupastic
Hungary MOLCR
Below Average 1414 in Roper before the game. Gained 41|23 points more
Loser
Free
Finland TdC WAR ea
Absolute Beginner 1029 in Roper before the game. Lost 22|23 points more
  

Game Rate
0 / 5
Total Members Voted: 2
Players history
1 - 0
1 - 2
2 - 0
6 - 7
Information Game scheme: Roper
Scheme pick: Both pick (Like a 3rd game)
Watch The Game Replay(s):
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Game Map(s)

ROPER-03 by angus
1920 x 696, BIT, 2.42 KB, Downloaded 48 time(s)

Game Chat(s)
[TdCxFree] hf
[Lupastic`uwu] oh wow I start everything
[TdCxFree] top hiding? xD
[Lupastic`uwu] ;3 all-in
[TdCxFree] thats pretty gay ngl
[TdCxFree] especially when u start also
[TdCxFree] lol
[TdCxFree] ask any oldschoolers, top hiding is unsportmanship
[TdCxFree] imagine if i start and just top hide from the start?
[TdCxFree] huge disadvantage on 2nd player
[Lupastic`uwu] not sure about that :W it all depends on crate spawns
[TdCxFree] it is
[Lupastic`uwu] sometimes this tactic is bad to follow, for example now our healths are equal
[TdCxFree] nope
[TdCxFree] its just gay, simple
[TdCxFree] ask any oldschool roper
[TdCxFree] lol
[TdCxFree] yea dont ask me to tus in the future, i dont respect this
[Lupastic`uwu] omg xD

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Offline Kradie

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2023, 05:07 AM »
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The problem isn't hiding on top, the problem is the amount of RNG in Roper with crate distance from the worm every turn
Normally in ZaR there is no feet on an Island making the RNG more concentrated. This is why IMO that it is less luck based.

Also what exactly is the problem with ''Incredible players lose because they got unreachable crates than their opponent''? That's almost like saying ''Incredible players lose because their opponent got Armageddon / better weapons''. I know this statement was for roper exclusively but I just wanted to make this comparison. Perhaps that these schemes IMO are more fun for some people because of the RNG elements. Of course I sympathize with the fact that better players can lose as a result of RNG because I guess it can be aggravating. But wasn't there somebody that said (mostly in relation to T17 Island) that at least this setup could give beginners an easier time? To create hope?

This also makes me wonder if hypothetically Roper and its variation never existed until recently: Would it be accepted as a league scheme?
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Offline TheKaren

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2023, 04:50 PM »
Also what exactly is the problem with ''Incredible players lose because they got unreachable crates than their opponent''? That's almost like saying ''Incredible players lose because their opponent got Armageddon / better weapons''.

That's 100% spot on, it is like saying incredible players loser because their opponents got better weapons in Team17. It happens all the time, it's why I will never enjoy Team17 as a player.

Perhaps that these schemes IMO are more fun for some people because of the RNG elements. Of course I sympathize with the fact that better players can lose as a result of RNG because I guess it can be aggravating. But wasn't there somebody that said (mostly in relation to T17 Island) that at least this setup could give beginners an easier time? To create hope?

I remember HHC saying some years ago, he enjoys Roper because of the luck factor. Also yes, there are those who believe RNG is an important aspect of competitive gaming.

I on the other hand personally believe any competitive event worth it's salt should be as skill based as possible, elimitating luck entirely if possible.

Unfortunately when I made the recently Artillery Cup, I forgot to update the Aerial scheme to eliminate crate drops, it was too late by then so had to roll with it. If there is a next time, there won't be crates.

Offline Mega`Adnan

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2023, 05:08 PM »
If opponent is hiding on top, just pile with it?



Adnan, you are Mega, not Micro and not even faint  :D So fight till the end please.

Offline Free

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2023, 11:23 AM »
If opponent is hiding on top, just pile with it?

This is what I mean by starter having too big of an advantage then if top hiding becomes normalised, you can't pile because the starter will in theory make every cr8 (except on very hard maps) and if you pile as 2nd player you literally lost in theory if all cr8s are made.

The biggest problem is that how boring roper would become then, imagine.

Offline Mega`Adnan

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2023, 04:52 PM »

This is what I mean by starter having too big of an advantage then if top hiding becomes normalised, you can't pile because the starter will in theory make every cr8 (except on very hard maps) and if you pile as 2nd player you literally lost in theory if all cr8s are made.

The biggest problem is that how boring roper would become then, imagine.

True.
But only thing I would do is to keep piling on top until that opponent gets hard crate, then I can backfire the same tactic on that opponent.



Adnan, you are Mega, not Micro and not even faint  :D So fight till the end please.

Offline TheKaren

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2023, 05:12 PM »
True.
But only thing I would do is to keep piling on top until that opponent gets hard crate, then I can backfire the same tactic on that opponent.

Any map where that's actually possible, isn't even worth playing in the first place, I think.

Offline TheWalrus

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2023, 05:37 PM »
Piling someone who has significant HP lead when they hide at the top would actually make it way easier for them.

Offline Kaleu

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2023, 09:49 PM »
Haha I lived long enough to see people problematize classic Roper again, now with mediocre quantity of players... There were much better roper variations like W2 Roper / W2 Roper  with x2 worms, with no rules, improved FD and gravity.
Even Senator's balanced roper scheme was better but noone couldnt care that much to change it or keep playing it. I remember we had an experimental season for that.

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Offline TheWalrus

Re: Game #236970, reported by Lupastic
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2023, 09:54 PM »
Haha I lived long enough to see people problematize classic Roper again, now with mediocre quantity of players... There were much better roper variations like W2 Roper / W2 Roper  with x2 worms, with no rules, improved FD and gravity.
Even Senator's balanced roper scheme was better but noone couldnt care that much to change it or keep playing it. I remember we had an experimental season for that.

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2092/
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3376/
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3377/
i liked senators roper scheme, but yeah people dont like change even if its good