*cough* Rafal *cough*

skunk, your attitude towards this game and collective community in general feels pretty abysmal, you are such a downer about this game and act pretty ignorant and selfish towards people.

Your opinion of the definition of the word "active" is irrelevant, as by the actual English definition of the word in every dictionary there is, this game is active, and also engaging, that is not an opinion, it is not subjective, it's a fact.

"Active enough" is subjective though, and is true for myself and other people. Though i'm not going to deny i'd happily welcome even more activity!

Also, Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what the word active means. It's definitely not at it's peak, and it likely never will be again, nobody is arguing that. It might not be active in such a way that satisfies you, and there are parts of the game and people that are gone I wish would come back, that's life though, people move on, people adapt.

The game is still active though, that isn't even up for debate, it's literally a fact.

All these things you personally think are stupid, are parts of the game that are active and lots of other people enjoy.

It's your own problem you don't enjoy playing with inexperienced players. Quitters are sometimes frustrating though i'll give you that, though that isn't exclusive to this game, that happens everywhere in life.

It's your problem you don't enjoy playing offline to submit your times against others around the world, then again.

It's your problem you can't accept there is a vast galaxy of adventures and possibilities outside the world you are living in(metaphorically speaking of course).

People still make maps, even Mablak is posting world record runs for missions and deathmatch! People are streaming the game on Twitch including myself, the r/worms subreddit often has people asking about the game, Sensei has that massive Discord channel which has thousands of people, Deadcode & CyberShadow are still updating the game. People are playing Cups, Tournaments, Challenges, CWT will begin within 2 months and should be great! lalo told me the Southern American communities have a private Discord where they organize Elite Tournaments with each other and Adun streams them on Twitch often. Apparently there is a massive Russian community of wormers as well who play among themselves, sometimes some pretty big YouTubers streaming Worms matches.

These are all things which add to the activity of the game.

Every time i've logged on to WormNET in the past year there has always been multiple games hosted, and i've seen a healthy variation of schemes hosted, i've seen Ropers, Big RR, WxW, Shopper, Mole Shopper, Normal, BnG, Bungee, Kaos, Darts, Team17, Elite, TTRR, Warmer and the list goes on... Granted most of the games hosted are casual, though that still adds to the games activity.

Here is an idea, you could create your own Discord channel, with the express purpose of inviting all the people you like playing games with, so you can organize games with people that you deem good enough.

The main point being, just because things aren't the way you personally want them to be, doesn't mean the game is dead, or that it sucks, or that people are stupid, or that noobs are worthless.

You are not more important or better than everyone else, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Why do you like arguing nonsense? Why do you feel that you must try to 'win' any conversation you engage in? This post has absolutely nothing to do with you but as always, you make it your holy duty to argue because you have no life.

My attitude about this game is based upon what I've seen with my own eyes. Every time you log on there's multiple games hosted? Well good for you! Many times when I log on there's no games hosted, or maybe one of something simple like a shopper. The game is frequently 'dead' by any reasonable understanding of the term. Of course we can argue semantics but that's pointless. Your opinion of my attitude is just your opinion, and your opinion sucks the vast majority of the time lol. Just look at a few of the 12,000+ posts you've made over the years and re-read a lot of the retarded shit you've said. You're a smug twat who tries to do or say anything you can to make yourself look better while putting others down.

I furthermore have no idea wtf you are talking about when it comes to me acting ignorant and selfish towards people. How am I acting selfish? How am I being ignorant? If me wishing that the game was more active and more full of old school players, then yeah... I'm definitely selfish. Guilty as charged! If me being ignorant means that I am unaware of ranked activities hosted on various forums, then I'm also guilty as charged there. Aside from that, I have no clue what you are talking about.

If you consider WA to be active, then good for you. I don't. 90%+ of the time I log on to WormNET there are less than 40 people in #AG and of those ~40 people, probably 2/3rds of them are snoopers and bots. Of course this doesn't reflect anyone who might be in the middle of a game, but still... that's not what any reasonable person would consider active, both in terms of historical WA activity and for most online multiplayer games in general. "Worms Armageddon history doesn't dictate what active means" - you. Why the f@#! would it not? You make no sense. The fact that the game is active is not "literally a fact." That's just... wrong.

As far as me not caring about offline challenges and stuff goes, that's simply my prerogative. It's not fun to *me.* I don't care about speedrunning deathmatches or doing time trials. That's not a "problem" but rather a matter of preference. I am not shitting on anyone for being into those sorts of things. All I said is that I'm not into it; not that other people should be ashamed about enjoying it.

I shouldn't have to organize an external site/forum/channel to arrange games. If people spent half as much time actually playing WA as they do lurking in such places, the game would be way more active and fun. People need to take that activity/chat to AG and make the game feel more alive. Then again, that's just my opinion.

Playing with random/noob players isn't fun, personally. They either quit or pose little to no challenge. Where's the fun in that, when the outcome is a foregone conclusion? Also, a lot of them barely speak English so there's that also. I don't mind playing with newcomers in a teaching context but for general gameplay fun it just doesn't work. Also, the list of games you claim to see hosted is far more variety than what I see whenever I get on. Hardly anyone hosts ropers aside from Kradie and his silly ZaR ropers or those Zillians hosting w2 ropers. I haven't seen anyone host a BnG in ages, nor a Bungee, Darts, Elite, TTRR or Warmer. Those basically never get hosted.

I never said that just because I don't like something then it doesn't exist. That's stupid and you're simply being disingenuous for the sake of winning an argument that you are engaged in with yourself because you are being you.. in other words, finding arguments where they don't exist and upping your post count.

All I want is what is best for the game - more in-game activity, more of a feeling of community, etc. I want old school players to actually boot up the game and play. I am not unhappy that new people are discovering the game and playing... in fact, I think it's great. However, what I don't like is logging on to WormNET and seeing almost nothing but randoms from Bumf@#!istan who keep hosting and joining the same handful of beginner schemes.  I am glad that when *you* join AG you seem to see so much more activity and variety than I do. More fortunate timezone in general, I guess? All I know is that most of the time when I have a chance to play, the game isn't nearly as active as you make it out to be, and the scheme variety is also far more limited. Just sayin'.

Quote from: skunk3 on July 17, 2021, 10:49 PM

I don't like ZaR roper personally but that isn't because the scheme is bad per se, but rather I also think that old school roper is boring these days. I loved it for many years and played more games of it than I could possibly recall, but as I continued along my wormy path I came to realize that I simply prefer other roping schemes. IMO, WxW on a challenging map and hp crates instead of weapon crates is more fun - even if it's zooks only. (Although I'm unhappy without drills!) Roper is fine and all but the crate luck and wind luck is completely bogus sometimes. These days I primarily play Big RR because there's no luck involved whatsoever. I don't mind playing Big RR with no chutes either, but adding a weapon(s) in RR? No. Absolutely not.

facts. Big RR/WxW are the most challenging/fun rope schemes... i'd say TTRR as well on a somewhat difficult map... i always struggled to keep steady arrow control on a tight TTRR map. ropers are fun but they are cr8 luck based big time for the most part, but being able to pull off runs with a hard cr8 or bad wind is pro asf.... they are still OG though just like BnG. any rope scheme i enjoy tbh unless it's a "shoppa" lol. i'm with skunk on that one, i'm not a fan of ZaR roper myself and i'm not putting down the scheme either, just don't dig it. i sure do miss the days of when hashtag Ropers Heaven was packed with wormers, not Anything Goes. oh wellz...

I am mediocre as f@#! when it comes to TTRR. I am super consistent but just not fast enough to hang with the fast guys from years ago. There's also really little point in even practicing TTRR anymore because there's not much of a individual or clanner ranked scene anymore. It's been probably at least a year since I've seen a TTRR hosted in AG. I also simply prefer Big RR because it doesn't come down to having one good turn, but rather many good turns. I always thought that it sucked that I could finish all 3 of my worms and lose to a guy who plopped 2 and finished 1 with a slightly better time. TTRR is definitely an extremely challenging scheme to master and kudos to the people who are amazing at it, but Big RR is my jam.

Actually, WA is more active, even competitively than it has been in the past few years this year.

That doesn't reflect my experience on WormNET lately at all, or this whole year in general. I just logged in a short while ago and there were 5 people in AG who weren't snoopers or bots, and I can't even be sure if some of those people weren't snooping. I know that it's late in Europe right now but still...

 

lol skunk I have met you like 3-4 times in the game and even there you were doing nothing else, but b*tching for hours about how dead the game and the activity is. if you truly think so, why are you coming back, and keep playing it? only for this? to point out something so pointless?
I mean I just don't understand this..

I think you are being a little hyperbolic there. "bitching for hours?" Really? I might have commented once or twice about how there's hardly any activity and that is it, so please stop exaggerating and being a drama queen. Was I really hanging out in AG bitching about dead the game is?

I hop on WormNET when I can hoping to find good matches with skilled players and to have fun. Also, isn't a bit hypocritical of you to comment on this if it is so "pointless?" What is the point of your comment?

Being able to simply find a game is not the same thing as the game being active. There doesn't have to be literally zero games hosted and nobody joining lobbies for the game to be practically dead. It seems like with every month that goes by there's less and less people playing, and even at certain parts of the day when the game is at its most 'active', it's nothing in comparison to how active the game used to be. At almost any hour of the day when I log on to WormNET, more than 50% of the names in AG are snoopers or bots, and frequently that number can be more like 65-75%. Of course that doesn't account for people in games, but still. I just want people to start playing this again because modern gaming is super boring. I have a very powerful PC / GPU and most newer online multiplayer games suck. I have almost 600 games in my Steam library but I'd give them all up to keep WA.     

Laptops are completely pointless unless you need to carry it with you all of the time for work, school, etc. For mobile web surfing we have our phones these days. For gaming, desktops are far better than laptops because they are more upgradeable, easier to service, easier to clean, have better cooling / air flow, etc. Unless you are a college student and/or have a job that requires it, I really don't see the point in owning a laptop anymore. To me they are as outdated as CD players.

I bought a copy of Worms Rumble from g2a for like $2.50.

I played it once for about 45 minutes and uninstalled it lol

@skunk3

Personally speaking, my opinions have absolutely nothing to do with what is socially acceptable, as I for the most part don't care what people think about me personally. A lot of the things I do, read, laugh about in life would make so many other people extremely uncomfortable, that doesn't mean to think they are weak, because understanding that we are not all similar, that we all have a different path in life, different genetics, different influences, different reactions, and many other different traits, is important and I try to respect that.

Not to mention i've had these views and opinions before the internet even started picking up momentum as a powerful interactive social media entity, i've never found it acceptable to act in such a selfish manner.

If you don't care if anyone gets offended or not, that's your choice, and while you might think that makes you tough or whatever, others will view you as a selfish and inconsiderate person.

The fact you label good manners, respect and kindness for others as such things like "wokeism" and "being a social justice warrior" is hilarious, these common values of caring and respecting your fellow man are shared around the world and have been around before even electricity was discovered and really have nothing to do with either of those labels.

I'm not religious but, I mean, look at the first lessons written in pretty much all bibles. "Respect thy neighbour".(The point here being the bible is VERY old, so these morals are not simply associated with trends on the internet in the year 2020+)

We are not born with toxic, negative personalities, we are not born racist, homophobic, bigoted, we are taught those things(if we are unfortunate, in my opinion), in fact, we humans are born with only 2 innate universal fears, the fear of loud sounds and a fear of falling. Feeling good feels good so i'd rather teach people positive traits rather than negative ones.

Anyway, MonkeyIsland is spot on when he says this website, and more specifically the off topic forum should be used for harmless(vanilla) subjects.

Just because most of the playerbase you interact with are adults doesn't mean there are not any children and adolescents currently active. If you don't care you may possibly have a negative impact on them, make them feel negative in any way, well frankly that's your right, nobody can forcefully change your behaviour, however that doesn't mean we should all feel the way you do and go around not giving a f**k if we hurt people, and of course you will be subject to scrutiny and judgement, just as we are from your side.

You look at people who care as weak, where as I believe it takes more courage and strength to openly show you care about stuff in todays world and put yourself out there, tell people how you really feel than keep it all locked up and act like you don't care because more often than not you will get shot down for being open and honest, people will try to take advantage of you, so someone who can put themselves out there has qualities I personally admire. Personally I think people who share your perspective(purely in this subject, not as an overall entity) as having primitive qualities in the evolution of the human mind.

Obviously people are going to be quite different in general. However, my point is simple: being offended by something that you read on the internet, that is not personally directed towards yourself, is weak. Not liking something is one thing. Being offended is a choice, and being offended by something impersonal is a stupid choice.

Am I selfish? Not at all. Inconsiderate? I'd argue no. I'm just honest. If I honestly express myself on a particular topic and my words are seen as harsh or even hateful, am I being inconsiderate? Should I just say nothing at all any time someone might not like what I have to say? What about all of the bullshit nonsense I see and hear from other people on a daily basis (IRL and not) that *is* deemed socially acceptable? Should I expect them to keep their thoughts to their selves also, or is it okay for them to say whatever dumb shit they want because it's 'politically correct'? Should I cry about how they are being inconsiderate of me?

I have no issue with respect, kindness, and manners. I fully support those ideals. However, that is not to say that some topics need to be frankly addressed. You can't leave a wound to fester. You have to clean and treat it, or problems will spread.

When it comes to the notion of "respecting" your fellow man, that doesn't mean openly accepting everything they do and support. In a modern context I can see how people might see it that way, but back in those days all it meant was not f@#!ing each other other by killing, stealing, raping, etc. Basic codes of conduct that are conducive to a somewhat safe and prosperous society, in other words. However, that being said, they surely were not taking into account the kind of deviancy and degeneracy that plagues us today and there is a lot of scriptural evidence out there to back that assertion up. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is one such example.

As far as not being born with prejudice, that is absolutely true. However, people aren't just taught prejudice, it is also learned if that makes sense. People can have very different ideals than their parents or primary social group. They can come to their own conclusions based upon their own experiences and studies. In many cases, views that are seen as 'fringe' are typically labeled as such by the masters of the society because they aren't helpful in regards to furthering their social conditioning goals... not because they are objectively wrong or arguably immoral. Do you not see the globalist agenda going on? Do you not see the intentional, methodical destruction of tradition and identity that is happening? Doesn't matter.

You talk about courage. What takes more courage - openly expressing unpopular opinions or expressing opinions that are supported and championed by corporations, social media, and scripted mainstream news? Get real man. Nobody is 'brave' for being a deviant these days. They are celebrated, for f@#!'s sake! It's a popularity contest, and they are winning. The more of a weirdo you are, the cooler you are and the more you can cash in those woke tokens for clout and social manipulation. It takes waaaaaay more courage and balls to speak up and say what is unpopular.