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Did you use it for your team only? If that's so, that's absolutely not cheating. Did you use it for the enemy team too? That's debatable. If the enemy was using the same team as replays circulating on TUS, in my book that's not cheating either since it was a public information anyway. But if he made a new team exactly to avoid being busted from the very beginning, and you used that tool? Yeah, that's cheating. But who am I to really say for sure.

Yes, just for my team. Once I had this module, I deleted my old team (which I already had memorized).

I couldn't see the enemy sequence. When this function is activated, a message appears in the chat telling that the player see your team order.

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What about all the times Windows' Magnifying Glass has been used in competitive, official games? Or the team order of the opponent was extracted from a previous replay? Or when a ruler has been used for the shotgun and other throws? Or pen and paper has been used to keep track of what the enemy has used? One may argue a few of those aren't exactly cheating per se, but at the end of the day, none of us are innocent. There's no need to escalate this, nor for finger pointing, especially since this has nothing to do with the OP.

Who discovered this feature (Magnifying Glass) and told me about it was Dario. If he uses it in competitive games, I don't know. Unlike others, I don't accuse without proof.

I used wkWormOrder and said publicly because I don't think it's cheat and there was no rule prohibiting the use. If someone thinks I broke a rule, I might have broken it, but it wasn't intentional. If I wanted to cheat, why would I say I was using it? Does not make sense.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 03:03 PM »
It does matter. I am asking for retraction because you attack my honor. If retraction is not done, I will not be left in a toxic environment where people offend me.
Albus, these things literally happened, all we are doing is telling the truth.

We who? Your friends? I have friends who agree with me and you have friends who agree with you. Wow what a coincidence!

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 02:55 PM »
I'm not interested in what you say. You have publicly demonstrated enmity and partiality towards me. I don't value anything you say. It would be like accepting a judge in a case where one of the parties is his brother. I trust MI's best judgment on this. What he decides I will accept.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 02:49 PM »
The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".

The definition of authority does not apply to you here. What MI decide I will respect. I'm waiting for his decision. What you say to me doesn't matter. You have zero impartiality towards me.

That was aimed at everyone, as general information.

However, it doesn't matter what MonkeyIsland decides, you were literally cheating, that is not something you can debate, you even admitted you were doing it because you deceived Dario. If MonkeyIsland decides these modules are allowed, you were still cheating at that moment. What happens in the future can not change the past.

I personally believe you did not realize you were cheating especially after being called out on it and still trying to defend it as being ok, it was still, literally by definition, cheating.

The sooner you realize that, and make an effort not to deceive people, then you will gain respect again regarding this issue.

It does matter. I am asking for retraction because you attack my honor. If retraction is not done, I will not stay in a toxic environment where people offend me.

Also, it's good for people to know that you have no impartiality to judge my actions.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 02:42 PM »
The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".

The definition of authority does not apply to you here. What MI decide I will respect. I'm waiting for his decision. What you say to me doesn't matter. You have zero impartiality towards me. Many times you have publicly demonstrated enmity and partiality against me.

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Albus, YOU ARE LITERALLY CHEATING BY THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

Jesus christ man... It isn't even up for debate, that's what the word means and you have literally done those actions by hiding your advantage from other players! You can not argue this!

We believe you believe it was not malicious and that you were doing something you thought was allowed, though it is literally cheating, nobody is saying you are evil or anything, just own up to the fact you were cheating, and maybe think about your future actions when using modules like this against people who play without that stuff.

I'll wait for Monkey Island's decision.

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Other definitions of the word cheat include "to defraud, swindle, and deceive", which means to hide your true intentions, to pretend you are playing on an even playing field when in fact you have hidden advantages.

Okay, you can agree or disagree with me with the module's suggestion and find it offers an unfair advantage (I disagree). But I am not a cheater. If you guys think I'm cheating, I won't play leagues anymore, just funners.
PS: if there was a rule expressly forbidding it I wouldn't use it.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 02:33 PM »
my arguments and supporting evidence for feeling like Albus has cheated are in the CWT discord for everyone to see. This is based off conversations he had in the ONL discord with Dario.

I have given my views on why computer-aided modules that do things for you automatically are in my opinion are cheating. I've explained why I think its different to visual aids which are still cheap, but not cheating because they a visual aid still requires human use.

There is a difference between automation and human use, also this wormorder module also gives you the opponents worm order straight away, before any research or even them going through their whole team of worms, you see it right from the start. There are two situations I believe you can cheat with the module and Albus has admitted to using it in one of those situations, he has yet to answer my second question.

I don't want to repeat myself again and again. I clearly asked Albus 2 questions about him giving himself an advantage over another player 'Dario' with the use of a computer program.

Okay, you can agree or disagree with me with the module's suggestion and find it offers an unfair advantage (I disagree). But I am not a cheater. If you guys think I'm cheating, I won't play leagues anymore, just funners.
PS: if there was a rule expressly forbidding it I wouldn't use it.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 02:18 PM »
It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.

You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.

You're attacking my honor here and in discord, calling me a cheater. If you guys consider me a cheater, I don't deserve to play the league anymore and I won't play the PO of allround season. If the accusation is false, I hope that some decision will be made about it.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 01:41 PM »
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Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).


Albus - I think the key element is the 'Any' program to cheat.

gg

I don't think wkwormorder is cheating and I've discussed this in the past, giving several arguments. If there's a rule prohibiting it, I don't use it. Until then, you have no right to attack my honor.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 12:56 PM »
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Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

Where is it written that it is forbidden to use this module to see my team's sequence?

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 12:42 PM »
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme :o

So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.

By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.

I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.

If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.



If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?

It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.

You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.

Was there any rule prohibiting the use of this module function (ie, see your own team order) in the league? Not that I know. So I'm not a cheater. You are making serious accusations against me.

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But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.

The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.

It shouldn't even get to that, it should be banned from league schemes because of the advantage it can give a player to win a game verse those not used it. If both players agree it still shouldn't be allowed because its like allow both players to cheat. That shouldn't make it legal.

All these modules you are advocating for are to help you win games outside of the defined official programming of the game. Therefore it's a cheat.

You are you are treating me as a cheater. Cheater is the one who breaks the rules of the game, right? Please tell me which TUS rule I am breaking so you can call me a cheater.

Everyone has the right to suggest game modules and changes to the game. If you think I'm suggesting this because it's going to increase my chances of winning, that's a pretty frivolous conclusion of yours about me. I

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.1.0 released
« on: September 24, 2021, 10:22 AM »
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme :o

So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.

By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.

I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.

If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.



If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?

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