I think I'm the new tus system there will be a lot more excitement as I could search for a scheme only and also accept other schemes but opt out of playoffs for schemes im not interested in. Also we'd have 1 scheme rating and no duplicates.

MonkeyIsland also was interested in rank decay too as there are players who noob bash and then turn inactive and they don't deserve to sit at the top of the rankings.

But all of this relys on MI and they isn't fair.

Hopefully Deadcode and Cybershadow also have plans for future updates and as mentioned. I personally think secure logins, problem free hosting and some moderation of wormnet behaviour is far more important than any in game features.

I think the community needs a boast through either the next patch update or new tus league system.

I still believe the sandbox environment of worms has led to its own demise because there more and more scheme variations generated, the more divided the community became as people enjoying the same scheme style became smaller groups.

If worms only had 3 schemes like rope, bng and elite it would be way more active as you'd find a game easily in the same you enjoy.

I know people disagree with me tho and cba to debate that in length.


One thing we could do is all donate to MI so he can spend time coding the new league scheme instead of having to work loads to support his family.

Kardie - I don't wish for old schoolers to come back. I wish for younger players to stay and for the next generation to come through. Those players I believe are shocked at how difficult it is to host and no secure logins. There's two things would improve player retention dramatically!

Kardie - I'm currently not playing as there is no TTL and if there was I wouldn't want two seperate t17 ratings. The reason I have no motivation to play is I'm competitive and I don't like the current competitive league system.

I don't play allround league because my time is limited and I don't want to play wxw or big rr/tower rr. All over schemes I'm happy to play.

The proposed league system MI has sounds excellent and soon as it comes out I'll be asking for TUS and setting my preferences to part take in elite, t17 and bng playoffs

There are already discords like cwa to ask for TUS but an official TUS discord wouldn't be a bad idea. Probably better than the instant messaging available on the site.

There is a whole new league system MI has said he's working on which will boast activity for single scheme players like myself. However MI probably has lots going on in real life and not much time to code.

We should all donate to the cause. Also CS and DC making core game updates will have ab impact.

I said similar things in that other thread

Shrinking community is due to the following main reasons iMO:


No secure logins
No official in game ranks
Difficultly in hosting so no new players hanging around
No new updates in a long time
Too many community leagues which splits the player base
Current community league systems - personally I have zero interest in tus because all rounder league means I've got to play rope schemes in playoffs if I qualified. The vision that MI had for merging all the leagues into 1 overall but allowing single scheme playoffs would resolve this.


Then on top of all of that. The old worm players have all moved on to other games which have better versions of the above or address those issues. Even the old school players now in our 40s, they'll play game or watch tv but won't play worms because of the issues above

Dibz and I agreed to play at 1pm today. He didn't show and still hasn't responded to my discord messages.

Tita - can you get discord as I'm always on that as it's a mobile app and able to receive and reply to dms to arrange a date quickly

accidently reported my elite cup game twice

Hey dogg! Tdc is still pretty active!

As mentioned I really do think the vision that MI has for the leagues will help and I certainly will play TUS again when that change happens. It was really frustrating when TTL was active that there was 2 ladders for same scheme at once. What MI is going to do will help the current player base.

But the new player base, retaining new players is all in the hands of team17. I was hoping that the move of wormnet to a new T17 server and that T17 guy in Sensei's discord would be a positive thing where maybe there is the ability for secure logins and easy hosting. Even that without in game ranks would make a huge difference. But I don't think cybershadow and Deadcode have heard anything from them about it. I just don't understand why that isn't priority number one on the update lists.

Sorry but I disagree and I'll say my reasons why again but it's unlikely to connivence you.

It's just simple math. What made worms so good in the glory era and TUS's first inception was the activity. Back then we had fewer scheme options and less of a sandbox so we had 'less things to play', that meant that there was more people playing the same thing and therefore more activity, more emerging players etc etc.

Now a days we have so much choice and selection and because of that, over the years the limited activity was divided across so many ways of playing worms. Therefore there were smaller communities and groups of players but it is less appealing to come back and play WA competitively because you get to be the big fish in a small pond, instead of the big fish in an ocean.

For example, If kaos and some of these other schemes never existed I think we'd have a more active allround league or more active ONL.

In the last 6 years or so we've split the activity across too many things are the disadvantage to competitive play across all those things.

Even TUS has a silly number of accepted schemes for playoff picks which makes it demotivating to bother playing as someone can now pick tower rr, big rr etc. back when we just had elite, t17, bng, shop, wxw, ttrr, rope and hyst things were way better.

Of course this is all subjective and it's just my opinion. It doesn't mine I'm right or you guys are wrong. It's just how I personally feel about the direction of WA.

And back to ranks. In game ranks and secure logins and easier hosting would save this game because the newbies would stay and we would have new players coming into the game, that's why we are declining because there isn't any support for new players. So I agree about the lack of support from t17

My whole point is that the old system just doesn't work for the current size of the player base and that the overall community would benefit if we had fewer leagues and less choice. It would help us centralise all competitive games into one system and therefore increase activity. Currently the activity of competitive games is divided between multiple systems and leagues and competitions. If we had in game ranks, your rating would be global to whatver competition you played in. So to see a true reflection of who is the best in inter or team17 or whatever scheme, it would be more beneficial if all the games in that single scheme were calculated whenever it was played, regardless of in what league. Now I doubt we will get to the point where we have APIs between the league coders to do such a thing, so in my personal opinion it would be best for the community if we had few leagues. Hence the name of this thread.

No one is being forced to do anything, and it's great MI has recognised the league scheme would be improved by the proposed changes that have already been discussed. That will certainly help encourage a bit more activity.

But my point is... the community would be better off if there was just one single rating per scheme, after the updates to TUS there will still be two inter ratings. ONL or tus, would benefit from one of the other to stop so that ALL inter games were put into one ladder. So I believe TUS should drop intermediate or ONL should stop. ONL won't stop and they have ever right to continue. But TUS could easily take away inter which would benefit the community because of the limited activity we have.

Imagine we are a little village, there's 3 cinemas and they are all struggling to have enough customers. It would be better if there was just 1 cinema as it would stay in business and be more popular and more inviting to grow the village. The leagues just don't have the activity they used to have. I believe in freedom too, I'm not forcing change on anyone, I just think the community should look at this as a problem we are all in and think about what's best for everyone, instead of what's best for themselves and their little gang of 15 active players..

MIs plan is probably the last hope, well there is another but i really don't see the day of in game rankings so it's up the community to try to agree the best system.

Why reset the stats? Why not recalculate the stats based on all the tus games since the last global reset?

I disagree about inter as my vision is that there is only 1 rating per scheme. Even cwt matches would affect your rating. But the ONL guys are too stubborn to listen to any opinions; whereas MI is way more understanding and could see the logic in inter only being in 1 league. Like walrus and dibz did a bunch of inters in tus recently. Even if the game got reported in two leagues thst would be an improvement

Really appreciate it MI. I'm not sure if you see the potential impact this will have but it would be huge for the community as it would centralised a lot of competitive games into 1 master ladder instead of loads of micro leagues which has pretty much ruined competitive wa activity.

As ONL won't change their view point, could we also please remove intermediate from TUS so there is only 1 place to play inter in the WA community?

TUS can still be successful without it.

The whole aim of the league idea is only having 1 single rating per scheme, that should be limited to TUS but the whole wa community to help bring back some meaning.

I know I'm just speaking from my own personal wishes here but I strongly believe this would help activity across the whole community.

When for example you are able to find the time to code again and move this project forward. Could you reload all the trl and TTL, tel seasons into the master league so we all had an updated rating for our global scheme rankings?